ACC U-Turn

[YellowDog]

Just seen on the news that the both Nick Smith and John Key believe the ACC boards proposals to raise the ACC levies need to be reconsidered.

That was quick.

Excellent work guys.

[Eddieb]

Don't hold your breath.

The govt and ACC will have the increase you we still pay through the nose, but most feel like they escaped with a good deal.

And the lies will continue.

[st00ji]

we've reconsidered and decided the rise was not sufficient.

[Maha]

No celebration just yet, to reconsider does not mean the outcome will be fair and just. As Les said ''this is where it starts''. Lets wait and see what they come up with. Todays event was a huge success and a massive visual experience for those that couldn't make it to Wellington.

[YellowDog]

I like the way that it is the ACC board whom have got it wrong and nothing whatsoever to do with the government ministers :)

[rustic101]

Just seen on the news that the both Nick Smith and John Key believe the ACC boards proposals to raise the ACC levies need to be reconsidered.

That was quick.

Excellent work guys.

As the crowd said .... BULLSHIT

[twotyred]

They have reconsidered nothing,they are just sticking to their original script,two steps forward,one step back.

ANY extra increase for bikes that is generally accepted,will be a failure

[short-circuit]

Two points

1. A lower increase is not a U - turn and we should not accept it

2. Both Nick Smith and John Key are lying - proposed changes were/are government driven (as opposed to being recomended by ACC)

[Owl]

Todays event was a huge success and a massive visual experience for those that couldn't make it to Wellington.

Actually way better than I expected Maha. In fact a massive visual experience for those that were there. I was certainly blown away by the amount of bikes and pleased to be a part of it!:D


I like the way that it is the ACC board whom have got it wrong and nothing whatsoever to do with the government ministers :)

I had a laugh at that too!

[st00ji]

for what its worth i actually believe ACC to be generally well run and a boon on our fair nation, that is being demonised for giving their bosses (ie govt) what they asked for.

[DarkLord]

for what its worth i actually believe ACC to be generally well run and a boon on our fair nation, that is being demonised for giving their bosses (ie govt) what they asked for.

Oh, sure. Yeah, it's extremely well run when some fucker can break into your house and steal your shit, injure himself in the process, bitch to ACC and get a payout.

Fantastic system. :third:

[Brian d marge]

Two points

1. A lower increase is not a U - turn and we should not accept it

2. Both Nick Smith and John Key are lying - proposed changes were/are government driven (as opposed to being recomended by ACC)

+1

I reckon 500 dollars is what they will propose

ACC is a no fault scheme

Stephen

[newbould]

Don't know if this is the best thread but congratulations to all the bikers who took part in that rally. Great riding. Big ups to you all. 5000 bikes in one convoy! Awesome



Nick Smith :chase: 5000 bikers

[st00ji]

Oh, sure. Yeah, it's extremely well run when some fucker can break into your house and steal your shit, injure himself in the process, bitch to ACC and get a payout.

Fantastic system. :third:

i said generally, not extremely. :P

if you want to argue no fault then you have to accept that kind of thing i feel... perhaps not a cash payout per se but at least medical treatment. basic human rights etc. the fact that he hurt himself doing something illegal is a job for the courts!

[k2w3]

The cleverest move the Govt can make now is to recommend an increase that will divide us. One that half of us will accept as "oh well, it's better than $750". I think it would be a mistake to accept anything other than an increase just above the rate of inflation.

[Mom]

Consumate pollies at work. Dont be fooled mate, this was part of the original agenda, make no mistake about that. They just did not anticipate our reaction, nor the support we have from media and the public. We wont be quelled by a tiny increase in our levies. Hells teeth we have eaten a HUGE increase just recently! Push someone far enough and look out!

Past time for us to push back!

[BikerDazz]

I think that peopel who use their motorcycle to commute should receive a rebate - we're reducing traffic problems, reducing greenhouse gases or fossil fuels or whatever the shit, reducing parking problems etc.

[BikerDazz]

Consumate pollies at work. Dont be fooled mate, this was part of the original agenda, make no mistake about that. They just did not anticipate our reaction, nor the support we have from media and the public. We wont be quelled by a tiny increase in our levies. Hells teeth we have eaten a HUGE increase just recently! Push someone far enough and look out!

Past time for us to push back!


And National should know ... NEVER mess with a Mom!

[Owl]

The cleverest move the Govt can make now is to recommend an increase that will divide us. One that half of us will accept as "oh well, it's better than $750". I think it would be a mistake to accept anything other than an increase just above the rate of inflation.

Well we're already long past inflation. I'm sure I paid $218 for rego just 2 years ago?:angry:

I'll settle for a reduction!:msn-wink:

[fresh trax]

+1

I reckon 500 dollars is what they will propose

ACC is a no fault scheme

Stephen

I think the government already knew what they were doing in terms of what the increase is likely to be before the protest. They have targeted acc levies on bikes have got a huge reaction and now they ae looking compliant with saying the increase will not be as big - a mechanism that is well used by government to look good in a public forum - a great plan by the government who are dismanatling the welfare system, education and health sytems - but are going to look as though they have done a turn around - i think not - well planned by the government whose idealogy is to privatise acc and user pay in as many areas as they can get away with. Well done a good protest today

[BikerDazz]

I think the government already knew what they were doing in terms of what the increase is likely to be before the protest. They have targeted acc levies on bikes have got a huge reaction and now they ae looking compliant with saying the increase will not be as big - a mechanism that is well used by government to look good in a public forum - a great plan by the government who are dismanatling the welfare system, education and health sytems - but are going to look as though they have done a turn around - i think not - well planned by the government whose idealogy is to privatise acc and user pay in as many areas as they can get away with. Well done a good protest today

Exactly! - you've hit the nail right on the head

[HDMAN]

If you are looking for some photos of today's ride, I am happy to share the few that we took here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/its_all_good/sets/72157622696323817/show/

[Brian d marge]

I think the government already knew what they were doing in terms of what the increase is likely to be before the protest. They have targeted acc levies on bikes have got a huge reaction and now they ae looking compliant with saying the increase will not be as big - a mechanism that is well used by government to look good in a public forum - a great plan by the government who are dismanatling the welfare system, education and health sytems - but are going to look as though they have done a turn around - i think not - well planned by the government whose idealogy is to privatise acc and user pay in as many areas as they can get away with. Well done a good protest today

Didnt think of that , yes ,,plan it out we complain , u turn a little ,,,the original idea goes through

Clever ....like it

Just hope the protest doesn't lose momentum

And should have gained over electricity , student loan , speeding tax , prisons ,,oh wait that hasn't happened yet

Stephen

[Pedrostt500]

We should not accept any increase in Levy rate, in fact we should demand the Removal of GST from all ACC Levies, as ACC is not a Goods or a Service, it is a Tax and we should not pay a Tax on a Tax.

[ManDownUnder]

reconsidered.

Call me cynical but that's not a synonym for left unchanged, or even dropped. It's a placatory positioning statement that means nothing of substance... except for their concern for votes.

We need to target the minor parties in the coalition as they can tip the balance of power

[Conquiztador]

Politics is so see through.

Here is the whole Nat plan (in a very short version so most can be bothered reading):

Agenda: Privatise ACC.

Problem: Parts of ACC can not be sold the way it is as it is too costly. (The buyers will only buy bits of ACC that will make them a profit)

Solution: Split ACC in to bits, sell the ones that the Insurance companies want. Keep the others under Government, but increase the costs so it becomes a user-pay setup. Once that is established it can be sold.

THAT, my dear fellow bikers, is what this is all about: Separate Bikes from cars. Sell the ACC setup for cars as it now is a profit making bit w/o the "expensive" and concerning bike bit.

[AllanB]

I'm still posting Nick Smith a dog turd.

[Bend-it]

I'm still posting Nick Smith a dog turd.

With John Key's address in the "Return to sender" box

[grantnz]

No celebration just yet, to reconsider does not mean the outcome will be fair and just. As Les said ''this is where it starts''. Lets wait and see what they come up with. Todays event was a huge success and a massive visual experience for those that couldn't make it to Wellington.

Agreed, it was a fantastic visual experience, just a pity that it was not shown on the TV news for what it was. The coverage was CRAP and I bet it was set up that way by the Govt / Police. All we saw in the 30 seconds of footage was a handfull of Harleys with ape hangers, a couple of 'patched' bikers, and arrivals at the Caketin. If the convoy was from Parliment to Mana as stated in one paper, why did they not show that? The Herald said the Police estimate was still only 3500. The media are not on our side and to me they are trying to play it down. People I have spoken to said that they had heard of huge no.s attending, but it did not look like it on TV. Any increase should not be tolerated!

[Trudes]

I thought Prime had the best news article on it on their 5:30 news. I guess there were other things going on around the country as well.

[Clockwork]

I saw all three reports and I thought Prime's was the worst, placing us at story number three after the conjoind twins and the bent coppper. TV One's coverage was excellent, with more detail and a follow-up item from an individual biker. TV3's comentary included the (deliberately?) missleading statment that "last year more riders were killed on the roads than in the past10 years."

I suspect the correct statement should have been "Last year there were more rider's killed on the roads than in any of the past 10 years."

[DMCD]

Consumate pollies at work. Dont be fooled mate, this was part of the original agenda, make no mistake about that. They just did not anticipate our reaction, nor the support we have from media and the public. We wont be quelled by a tiny increase in our levies. Hells teeth we have eaten a HUGE increase just recently! Push someone far enough and look out!

Past time for us to push back!

Agreed, I think they asume the public doesn't like bikers but in a country like this chances are one of your family or good firends is a biker.

[Reckless]

We should not accept any increase in Levy rate, in fact we should demand the Removal of GST from all ACC Levies, as ACC is not a Goods or a Service, it is a Tax and we should not pay a Tax on a Tax.

Bloody good point mate!!! Right on the button!

A 12% reduction is what we need for an unfair tax on tax!!!!!!!!!

Shit wouldn't that be a poke in the eye! LOL!!

[steve_t]

Dunno if this was posted in another thread but has everyone seen this:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10609935

"Govt backs off over motorbike levies"

"Goatee beards were a popular fashion accessory, and nicknames like "Stoney", "Hawkeye" and "Wolfman" plentiful. "

[Reckless]

"Govt backs off over motorbike levies"

Dodgy Smith says "unlikely to agree to the SCALE of increases"

The Nats are still going for 1/2 at least!!! Unless we keep up the pressure!!

We all know he's a lying bastard!!

[Winston001]

I think the general news coverage of biker protests against the ACC increases has been favourable. Instead of unwashed gang members (which the public might have expected) the spokesmen have been educated older men and women. Our image has become surprisingly normal. Average kiwis. That is harder for ACC to fight against.

Go hard. :2guns:

[Winston001]

IThey have targeted acc levies on bikes have got a huge reaction and now they are looking compliant with saying the increase will not be as big - a mechanism that is well used by governments to look good in a public forum....

Agreed.


a great plan by the government who are dismantling the welfare system, education and health sytems - but are going to look as though they have done a turn around - i think not - well planned by the government whose idealogy is to privatise acc and user pay in as many areas as they can get away with.

There is zero evidence of this government wanting to dismantle social welfare, health, and education. Nor is thereany evidence of wanting to sell off ACC.

What is proposed is that the Workers Account be opened up to competition - which also occurred in 1999. I think this is unnecessary.

Taking a wider view, whatever government is in power, we face some unpalatable economic facts. Not enough income to pay for everything. For example, despite hundreds of millions of dollars put into health care by Labour, slightly less operations are performed today compared to 1998.

So we are going to see new taxes and cutbacks - just as we individually would do if our household incomes fell.

[Skyryder]

Just seen on the news that the both Nick Smith and John Key believe the ACC boards proposals to raise the ACC levies need to be reconsidered.

That was quick.

Excellent work guys.


Yea and according to Smith's Dick the last board got it wrong and he sacked them.

Let's see what he does with this lot..................I'm betting they will keep their jobs...............anyone agin't??


Skyryder