Sunday 22 November - Auckland

[Mom]

ACC LEVY HIKES -THINK AGAIN NICK SMITH!

Sunday Breakfast/Brunch anyone?

Where: Mission Bay

When: Sunday November 22

Time: 8:00am onwards


Register your attendance here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=2266&day=2009-11-22)

Fancy a coffee and a bite to eat, while keeping this ACC issue in the public face? Join us for coffee and breakfast at Mission Bay. Get in early and find yourself a carpark. Yes folks a carpark. Make sure you have change for the parking fees if any. One bike per park please. Then take a leisurely stroll to the nearest cafe and get a coffee and something to eat. Take your time, relax, enjoy your brunch.

Please find a park on the street front first, followed by the carpark opposite the Fish Pot Cafe, then moving down to the other one as numbers build. We will be assembling around the fountain to make a bit of noise, this will kick off at 8:30am. After the rebel rousing we will then be free to go and enjoy our brunch.

If we do it right, there wont be any parking for cars available, highlighting the fact that if these bastards tax us off the roads, we will be forced to "drive" a car, and there will be no parking available anywhere. We also will be supporting the local businesses so they are not disadvantaged because of this protest action.

At all times this will be a peaceful gathering, we are not out to upset anyone, we just want to make a point. Please ensure you do support the businesses after we have made our point. Talk to people about why we are so angry.

Bring your noise makers, this one is going to be LOUD!

Hand out leaflets to the general public letting them know we are fighting this fight for all of us, dont forget WHOS NEXT?

A few rousing rounds of our battle cry from time to time would not go amiss either.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=112770

Flyer in this post. Please print and distribute at liberty!

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129521845&postcount=143

[Dodgyiti]

Good plan!
But can we get it defined a bit more please?
If the turnout is to be small-ish do we need to make one area our own (so to speak)?
Like the waterfront, or Ponsonby road?
Not much of a city type myself, so where are the parking places we can make the biggest impact.

And I take it we get in the CBD early to score the parks and hold onto them for the 9am flurry of 'shoppers'?

[Mom]

Good plan!
But can we get it defined a bit more please?
If the turnout is to be small-ish do we need to make one area our own (so to speak)?
Like the waterfront, or Ponsonby road?
Not much of a city type myself, so where are the parking places we can make the biggest impact.

And I take it we get in the CBD early to score the parks and hold onto them for the 9am flurry of 'shoppers'?

I dont live in the city, so I can not answer those questions, no doubt someone down that way can. But yes, get in early and take up the car parks. The Auckland CBD would be my first pic though, bigger exposure.

[Oakie]

Or outside National MPs electorate offices where they have parking outside and are 'In' on Saturday morning. A little less likely to just annoy the general public then.

[k2w3]

From "the peoples" perspective, they have probably read the headlines and feel as though the Govt has already about-turned, so in doing this you risk really pissing off the population.
It was a canny move, actually. The Govt has effectively reduced our scope to cause further protest until more definitive decisions are taken.
Having said that, I'd be there if I could. :-)

[Mom]

Or outside National MPs electorate offices where they have parking outside and are 'In' on Saturday morning. A little less likely to just annoy the general public then.

Hardly a visible protest though if a bunch of bikers park up in an empty carpark on a Sunday morning, nowhere to have brekkie either.

I am not that much bothered about annoying anyone except for the businesses that might potentially lose income if cars cant get in there. Look there is any amount of parking buildings in the city. The bloody cars can go and park there and walk a bit further than they would normally do. It is bikes taking up the spaces that is making the statement.

I can't make this on Saturday, I have already arranged to have coffee with several of my female biker friends at various places around the town :blip:

[Oakie]

I'm just thinking of a couple I've noticed on TV that are in shopping areas and appear to just have streetfront parking. Yeah, Saturday probably better than Sunday.

[Mom]

I have just got off the phone from Brooke at TV3. He rang me because he has heard about this and is keen to give it some publicity. How about we give him something to see folks?

[Mom]

TV 3 are running an item on this protest action in their mid-day news bulletin today!

Lets give them something to see!

Looking for your 15 minutes of fame? Here is your chance!

[Mully]

What time Mom?? I may be able to put in an appearance (ladies, control yourselves)....

Mission Bay might be the go too - if we can clog the entire carpark by the beach and Tamaki Drive too. The shop owners might be keen to sell us brekkie too - make a change from the healthy joggers all along there.

[Hiflyer]

I think mission bay would be a good Idea, all the main parking is visible from the shops and beach, its a very popular area on a weekend so If we get there early it's gonna cause alot of attention when people have nowhere to park that's close to the shops.

[Mom]

What time Mom?? I may be able to put in an appearance (ladies, control yourselves)....

Mission Bay might be the go too - if we can clog the entire carpark by the beach and Tamaki Drive too. The shop owners might be keen to sell us brekkie too - make a change from the healthy joggers all along there.


I think mission bay would be a good Idea, all the main parking is visible from the shops and beach, its a very popular area on a weekend so If we get there early it's gonna cause alot of attention when people have nowhere to park that's close to the shops.

Well now, I have just got off the phone from Radio NZ. They are going to send a reporter to cover the event live :D

Now we really need to get our act together and make some plans. I hear you about Mission Bay, that is a pig of a place for cars at the best of times. We would need a big turn out though to make it effective. Imagine all the parking taken up by bikes :shifty:

We MUST spend some money while we are there though, I dont want to take money out of pockets.

[Hiflyer]

Well now, I have just got off the phone from Radio NZ. They are going to send a reporter to cover the event live :D

Now we really need to get our act together and make some plans. I hear you about Mission Bay, that is a pig of a place for cars at the best of times. We would need a big turn out though to make it effective. Imagine all the parking taken up by bikes :shifty:

We MUST spend some money while we are there though, I dont want to take money out of pockets.

Definatly, Mission bay is full of yum food, even a few bars. I'll have to borrow a bike for the mission bay one but I'd definatly be keen.
It wouldn't have to be thaaaat many bikes just enough to line tamaki drive in mission bay and take up most of the coveted carpark across of the shops.

EDIT: of course if we get hundreds of bikes that'd be most excellent

[Mom]

Definatly, Mission bay is full of yum food, even a few bars. I'll have to borrow a bike for the mission bay one but I'd definatly be keen.
It wouldn't have to be thaaaat many bikes just enough to line tamaki drive in mission bay and take up most of the coveted carpark across of the shops.

EDIT: of course if we get hundreds of bikes that'd be most excellent

Ok, so how many people can you let know about this? Where is me mate PhantasmNZ?

[Hiflyer]

Ok, so how many people can you let know about this? Where is me mate PhantasmNZ?

Quite a few I guess, yea we need the pamphlet maestro! I can print a few really budget quick ones off at work and put them round the bike parks in auckland CBD,

where and when?

[Oakie]

Good luck with it and yeah, good comment about spending money there. Don't forget the placards explaining this is what it'll be like when you all have to take your cars because you can't afford your bikes. Handouts explaining how ACC's figures are flawed would be great too.

Be good to see this done in other centres too.

[Mom]

What time Mom?? I may be able to put in an appearance (ladies, control yourselves)....


Early :yes: Can someone down there tell me when the shops open on Sundays, we would want to be there half an hour before then to avail ourselves of the parking :blip:

[NONONO]

Cool, ticks all the boxes.
So Sunday 22 Nov.
Mission Bay car park.
Time? Will need to be early breakfast to take the car parks.

[Mom]

Good luck with it and yeah, good comment about spending money there. Don't forget the placards explaining this is what it'll be like when you all have to take your cars because you can't afford your bikes. Handouts explaining how ACC's figures are flawed would be great too.

Be good to see this done in other centres too.

Haven't you got a big square down there? Go on, I dare you to do the same on Sunday :devil2:

[jeffs]

If you want this to work and you want numbers at such short notice, give exact times, exact locations and advanced warning. And put it on the KB front page, because searching threads to find updates is just too hard.

[allycatz]

Maybe being inner city, this a chance for more scooters to get involved, cos theres nothing worse than spying a carpark and pulling up to see a wee scoot there he he! A lot of people I've talked to, do not realise the increase involves scooters too

[Mom]

If you want this to work and you want numbers at such short notice, give exact times, exact locations and advanced warning. And put it on the KB front page, because searching threads to find updates is just too hard.

I will, trust me, I dont live in Auckland, I dont know what times shops open. As soon as I do I will nail the details and ask for it to be news on the homepage.

[jeffs]

Yes make it the city not the suburbs, that way its a straight in straight out hit.
Going to mission bay is a day out on a bike not a short hard hitting protest.

[Mom]

Yes make it the city not the suburbs, that way its a straight in straight out hit.
Going to mission bay is a day out on a bike not a short hard hitting protest.

Someone got in before me, it is already on the front page. Thank you whoever did that for me.

[Hiflyer]

Yes make it the city not the suburbs, that way its a straight in straight out hit.
Going to mission bay is a day out on a bike not a short hard hitting protest.

Mission bay is 10 mins from the CBD....

[jeffs]

The best one to hit would be the Harbor parking at the maritime museum. Huge visibility to tourists and puts you smack bang in the city.

[Bodhi]

How about Mission bay on Saturday and Ponsonby on Sunday?. It would be good to do it over two days so those that can't make one day can make the other. The main problem with downtown Auckland and Queen St is the council has already made almost all the parking 5 mins or taxi stands so people have to park in buildings which is not that visible.

[Mom]

Mission bay is 10 mins from the CBD....

And perhaps we can all go for a pootle through there on our way home after brunch :blip:


The best one to hit would be the Harbor parking at the maritime museum. Huge visibility to tourists and puts you smack bang in the city.


Now you are talking, weekend after next maybe.


How about Mission bay on Saturday and Ponsonby on Sunday?. It would be good to do it over two days so those that can't make one day can make the other. The main problem with downtown Auckland and Queen St is the council has already made almost all the parking 5 mins or taxi stands so people have to park in buildings which is not that visible.


I have updated the first post with all the details, Mission Bay this Sunday, I have said CBD the following one, but I am liking the vidaduct option too!

[NONONO]

The city (CBD) is just too spread out, nowhere for a lot of bikes to get together to put on a show. Most CBD parks VERY time limited and enforced.
Mission Bay car park, by the big fountain would be perfect.
Think all the cafes open at about 7.30 (ish).

[jeffs]

Mission bay is not 10min from the CBD if you 100 bikes. Its also a pain to get to unless you ride Tamiki drive, and thats a rolling protest not a parking one :)

[Mom]

If you want this to work and you want numbers at such short notice, give exact times, exact locations and advanced warning. And put it on the KB front page, because searching threads to find updates is just too hard.


Opening post now contains all details.

[Hiflyer]

Mission bay is not 10min from the CBD if you 100 bikes. Its also a pain to get to unless you ride Tamiki drive, and thats a rolling protest not a parking one :)

We can make it both!

But a park up would be much easier to organise

[NONONO]

Mission bay is not 10min from the CBD if you 100 bikes. Its also a pain to get to unless you ride Tamiki drive, and thats a rolling protest not a parking one :)

Was not aware we were protest riding, just protest parking. Make our own way there to meet at car park...or am I way off the beam, again?

[jeffs]

Im just one voice, so if you pick Mission bay so be it, But just saying Right in the middle of the americas cup village is a car park, its visible to everyone.
Its right in the middle of all the motorway access points to get to. And if its raining mission bay will be like a morgue. Where as The viaduct will still be alive.

[jeffs]

Was not aware we were protest riding, just protest parking. Make our own way there to meet at car park...or am I way off the beam, again?

Thats my point, to get to mission bay with a decent number of bikes will close down Tamiki Dr. So it becomes a rideing protest, not your intended parking one :)

[Mom]

Was not aware we were protest riding, just protest parking. Make our own way there to meet at car park...or am I way off the beam, again?

No you are bang on. I am not about to plan a rolling protest at such short notice.

I cant help it if bikers make their way home via the waterfront/Queen St etc from having brunch with their friends at Mission Bay can I.

[NONONO]

Thats my point, to get to mission bay with a decent number of bikes will close down Tamiki Dr. So it becomes a rideing protest, not your intended parking one :)

All good then....

[Mom]

Im just one voice, so if you pick Mission bay so be it, But just saying Right in the middle of the americas cup village is a car park, its visible to everyone.
Its right in the middle of all the motorway access points to get to. And if its raining mission bay will be like a morgue. Where as The viaduct will still be alive.

Read the opening post, this is a first off, I will be updating the wheres and whens of the first post each week.

EDIT: I dont care if it is raining.

[NONONO]

Read the opening post, this is a first off, I will be updating the wheres and whens of the first post each week.

EDIT: I dont care if it is raining.

Well that was a well spent hour of the last day of my holidays.
Well done Mom...Instant protest,

[jeffs]

So be it, maybe the next one will be in the CBD :)

[Hiflyer]

So be it, maybe the next one will be in the CBD :)

Yup the 29th! WOOP!

[jeffs]

You should start planning your next big protest, and ( for that one ) make it a few weeks away. Or protesters will never have a weekend to do DIY. :)

[Mom]

You should start planning your next big protest, and ( for that one ) make it a few weeks away. Or protesters will never have a weekend to do DIY. :)

Since these levy proposals have been announced there are many of us that have not had a weekend to ourselves, sometimes entire days have been given up too. And yes this will all settle in the fullness of time, I just dont want to lose the media support we have right now in the wake of Bikeoi. So for now, this Sunday is it, that is as far as I can plan right now. Hells teeth, my poor hubby does not even know I have done this yet :D And what is worse, if the Blue Bitch does not start again on Sunday, he will have to pillion me too :laugh:

[jeffs]

I meant at "least" a few weeks away of that very reason. I have been on three so far and some time at home would be nice for the kids.

Do we know the date ACC's official proposal goes to parliamentary committee to be discussed ?

That should be a big date for at least some more visible protests.

Perhaps our friendly politicians can give us that date.

[Naki Rat]

Why not link this type of protest to a synchronised series of similar protests nationwide? Each city or region can nominate a venue that will work for them and we hit them all simultaneously, week after week. Perhaps different venue in each area each week so as not to victimise the same retailers repeatedly.

We have the communication network up and running to do it, based on our successes so far. How about it? :2guns:

[Mom]

Why not link this type of protest to a synchronised series of similar protests nationwide? Each city or region can nominate a venue that will work for them and we hit them all simultaneously, week after week. Perhaps different venue in each area each week so as not to victimise the same retailers repeatedly.

We have the communication network up and running to do it, based on our successes so far. How about it? :2guns:

Cool! Oakie is going to do Christchurch :dodge: looks like you may well be doing Taranaki. :laugh:

I like this idea very much. How about a monthly gathering all over the country? NICE!

[ManDownUnder]

We're naughty.

I'm in!

[The Pastor]

Its times like these that I really wish i had a LICENCE

[Mom]

Its times like these that I really wish i had a LICENCE

Sucks! How about finding a pillion seat for the day? Cant offer up Mahas one though, he may have to take me if my bike wont start.

[Reckless]

I'll try and make it on my sons little 250 but I'm not sure if I'm in Auckland!
It'll still take up a park though!

Reading the comments above it doesn't really matter where the action is as long as it gets coverage!!

Secondly this (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=112791) Idea for our next one.
We need to combine on one protest so we are not doing separate things all at once, that will only divide us. I don't know if bronze wants to be invovled in disruptive action but someone needs to co ordinate!

Just an Idea!

[Kiwi Graham]

I'll be there, fancy a nice cooked breakfast looking out over a sea of bikes haha

[Fatt Max]

I'll be there, fancy a nice cooked breakfast looking out over a sea of bikes haha

Yes, I'm in for this one, can always manage a brekkie on a Sunday....see yous there!!

[reemit]

You should start planning your next big protest, and ( for that one ) make it a few weeks away. Or protesters will never have a weekend to do DIY. :)
Hey, I'd rather be doing this than finishing my bathroom. :doh:(sorry Luv):soon:. Bring it on. Ill be there. Glad its local, my knees need a rest after doing that 1500km in the last few hours on a sportsbike:doctor:.

[Hispid]

My kind of thing. I'm in.

[PhantasmNZ]

Ok, so how many people can you let know about this? Where is me mate PhantasmNZ?

ok ok ok ... I'm here.... - but am pretty busy today! Geeez you work fast...


I can do flyers - and I can distribute to some of the auck cbd bike parks (best seemed to be victoria, civic and downtown which I can do unless others are closer) - we need different flyers for the day though.

The overwhelming reaction from members of the public as far as I heard so far is "you won didn't you?" - we need flyers for the public that says how yesterday didn't mean any "U-turn" at all and why..

We also need anti-propaganda about how the biker issue is being used to hide the hikes for all... and how we're working to help. Anyone collect any of the anti-national propaganda yesterday? this may help.

Also some of the stats from charley lamb (available on bikersagainstacc) - happy to design (and print to some extents - though might eventually need to ask for withdrawal from the war-chest for resources) the flyer tonight.

Can't do much @ work today though...

Mom - email me @ work if you need anything 2day

P

[k2w3]

You ride a nice bike, Phantasm

[Tank]

Whilst I think this is a great idea (and will come along with a few friends as well) - how many people do you actually have.

Nothing will be worse than having TV3 and Radio NZ staff outnumber the bikes (like the Albany ACC ride the other day where there was one rider only).

Either way - Looking forward to meeting you MOM.

[Hiflyer]

Whilst I think this is a great idea (and will come along with a few friends as well) - how many people do you actually have.

Nothing will be worse than having TV3 and Radio NZ staff outnumber the bikes (like the Albany ACC ride the other day where there was one rider only).

Either way - Looking forward to meeting you MOM.

Tell everyone you know then haha should be a sweet day, lets hope it doesnt rain torrential rain, if its light rain everyone needs to (wo)man up and make it a good turnout

[Oakie]

Cool! Oakie is going to do Christchurch :dodge: looks like you may well be doing Taranaki. :laugh:

'Ere. Mrs Oakie is the only one who gets to volunteer me for stuff!

I've actually been trying to think of where a stunt like that would work in Chch. but nowhere really springs to mind as being obvious. Mind you though, I am on annual leave so my brain has only been set at half speed this week.

[Mom]

Whilst I think this is a great idea (and will come along with a few friends as well) - how many people do you actually have.

Nothing will be worse than having TV3 and Radio NZ staff outnumber the bikes (like the Albany ACC ride the other day where there was one rider only).

Either way - Looking forward to meeting you MOM.

Like I said to the Radio NZ reporter that is going to come along on Sunday to cover this, it will be embarrassing if only 5 bikes turn up :pinch:
She said no way that will happen and that we are doing great things. Me I would love 100's, but even 50 bikers can make one hell of a noise. You may have missed the ride last weekend, I have been told since that I have something of a big mouth :laugh:

Looking forward to meeting you too!

PS , tell 10 friends etc ;)

[PhantasmNZ]

Maybe we should push the "u-turn? What u-turn" angle... I agree we need to get lots of bike - and we might have a small amount of resistance from some that have just been down to welly

[puppy_rider]

Will be there!

There are ~210 people on the kiwibiker facebook page. Perhaps someone could send a message to all members advertising this event to boost numbers? :chase:

[k2w3]

There may be some resistance from the Welly riders (understandably), but a lot of us couldn't make that trip. This one on the other hand...

[fizbin]

bloody hell you people move fast. in the time it took me to take my daughter to the doctor and get a DVD this has grown from a 1 page thread to 5 pages and it is plastered all over the lunchtime news.:eek:
Will see if i can make it. will have to see if i can pawn the kids off on someone and take the wife out for breakfast. :shifty:
any volunteers for babysitting?:stupid:

[Mom]

bloody hell you people move fast. in the time it took me to take my daughter to the doctor and get a DVD this has grown from a 1 page thread to 5 pages and it is plastered all over the lunchtime news.:eek:
Will see if i can make it. will have to see if i can pawn the kids off on someone and take the wife out for breakfast. :shifty:
any volunteers for babysitting?:stupid:

Bring the kids :done:

[Kiwi Graham]

Maybe we should push the "u-turn? What u-turn" angle... I agree we need to get lots of bike - and we might have a small amount of resistance from some that have just been down to welly


There may be some resistance from the Welly riders (understandably), but a lot of us couldn't make that trip. This one on the other hand...
I think if the wellington protesters want to take a day off thats fair enough, I'm sure there is enough of us that couldn't get there yesterday will want to be part of this to keep the momentum going.

bloody hell you people move fast. in the time it took me to take my daughter to the doctor and get a DVD this has grown from a 1 page thread to 5 pages and it is plastered all over the lunchtime news.:eek:
Will see if i can make it. will have to see if i can pawn the kids off on someone and take the wife out for breakfast. :shifty:
any volunteers for babysitting?:stupid:

Thats the angle I used on my wife. she is feeling like a bit of a bike widow at the moment :laugh:

[fizbin]

Bring the kids :done:

yeah right. you have meet me.. now imagine that x 20 and the 2 of them!
nope think a nice morning off for me and the wife might be in order



Thats the angle I used on my wife. she is feeling like a bit of a bike widow at the moment :laugh:

yeah my has said i will pay for going down to wellington for the next 2 months or so. despite the fact i rode back from welly last night to rescue her from our children. am hoping that this will smooth things over and she will feel like my wife again and not the other woman to the bike ROFL

[Tank]

Sweet - 'Tanks convoy' is now 5 bikes (confirmed) and I will phone a couple of others this evening.

BTW MOM - I told them all that you were shouting a full English breakfast for each rider - may pay to keep a low profile around feeding time ;-)

[Mom]

I see our Wellington brigade have started up their own Sunday Brunch Club too! Ha Bloody Ha! Look out everyone.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=112864

Nick's Myth is in for a continued roasting. bet they were thinking we would all roll over now they are talking about not making the increases so big. Think again you lot!

To steal from Nasty here.

THE WAR IS ON!!!

[Mully]

Just a note for anyone planning their own "disruption parking" on Saturday in the CBD itself - the "I wanna beat my kids" march is happening down Queen St.

[k2w3]

Brian Rudman from the Herald had a good take on that march, today.

[aahsv]

This Sunday Mission Bay - count me in - agree this needs lots of publicity (TV, placards, leaflets etc) on the day otherwise pissed off cagers won't figure out that ACC levies will make traffic and parking congestion worse :mega:

ps Mission Bay cafe (directly across the road from the main carpark entrance) has the best coffee :niceone:

pss there are no parking meters except in the private offstreet carparks

[Mr. Peanut]

I'll be there, on an infuriatingly small scooter... :bleh:

[Mom]

I'll be there, on an infuriatingly small scooter... :bleh:

Bring all your scooter friends, it affects them as much as it does us :yes:

[Crazy Steve]

Anyone know how much the parking is per hour ?

Crazy Steve.

[aahsv]

Anyone know how much the parking is per hour ?

Crazy Steve.

$0.00 per hour in the carpark :)

[Reckless]

Shit just us going back and forward legally over the crossing to get coffee will prob
completely jamb the place.

The never ending circle!! LOL!!!

[Crazy Steve]

$0.00 per hour in the carpark :)

Did you read the 1st post ?

Crazy Steve.

[Mom]

Did you read the 1st post ?

Crazy Steve.

I am not familiar with what the on street parking is there, there may be meters. I have no idea how much the charges are though. Coins should cover it though. No doubt some one will be able to tell us soon.

[aahsv]

Did you read the 1st post ?

Crazy Steve.

Just re-read it thx - so the protest is pretty spread out over all carparks in Mission Bay - on street and off street - would have suggested all bikes to converge on the main offstreet carpark for more visible statement - anyway, there are no parking meters on street or off street (except in two small privately owned carparks).

[CalNZ]

Hey mom,

Mission Bay is an excellent idea - I have tried to put together something similar in the CBD for the past two weeks with limited turnout (poor organisation to blame I am afraid) and the weather and everyone's commitment to Tuesday's Bikoi probably didn't help but hopefully everyone is now stirred up for a bit of breakfast on Sunday - I will be there for sure!

It would be great to involve the scooter clubs and the like as Mission Bay is accessible to those on 50cc and there are plenty of those in the city!

Also, if you are thinking of hitting the CBD the week after, there is not much legit parking in Queen Street and almost the only place open that early is Burger King - there is, however, a ton of parking up Shortland Street, Wyndham Street, High Street and Fort Street around that time.

Cheers!

[Hiflyer]

90% of parking is free, even on street, the main carpark across from the shops and both sides of the main road is also free all day. The only pay and display parks are out of sight and privately owned so we don't need to worry :D

[Kiwi Graham]

Just to clarify both the sea front car parks in Mission Bay are free to park in.



On street parking is also free.

http://maps.google.co.nz/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Mission+Bay&sll=-41.244772,-177.714844&sspn=28.735221,56.337891&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Mission+Bay&ll=-36.848041,174.831276&spn=0.003743,0.006877&t=h&z=17 drag image down a little.

Suggest meeting point be the car park indicated by 'the fish pot cafe'. The other car park is indicated by 'mission bay'

The car parks of Patteson Ave are pay and display but by presenting the bottom of your ticket to buisnesses you get the price knocked of your bill.
I suggest we fill the sea front car parks first, then the road and then the pay and display ones (if enough attend of course)

I belive the sea front car parks have approx 80 odd spaces between them.

[Reckless]

Do they have a time limit I'd imagine we are going to have to swap bikes after an hour or two!

[Kiwi Graham]

Not aware of any time limits.

[Hiflyer]

Not aware of any time limits.

+1 parked there all day beofre in a car, no parking wardens either

[Maha]

Cool im taking my togs and flutter board....:rockon:

[NONONO]

Yep, lost it again...
Car parks or road side?
If car park, which one?
Sorry early onset something or other.

[Hiflyer]

Both, fill carpark outside movenpick first, then the road

[NONONO]

As I recall nice 1st floor balcony at the Belgium Beer Cafe for the taking of pictures.
Belgium beer cafe, hmmmmm.

[Maha]

We're naughty.

I'm in!

Be carful what say, you might end up with a T-Shirt...:confused:

Its times like these that I really wish i had a LICENCE

Ya gota skateboard?.....its all downhill from your place aint it?
Well the first part anyway...:shifty:

I'll be there, fancy a nice cooked breakfast looking out over a sea of bikes haha

And watching the funny locals taking their little bitches for a morning dump and stroll...:eek:

[trevsnz]

I'll be there with both bikes
Girlfriend will ride the other.
Hope burger fuel is open that time in the morning

[PhantasmNZ]

Hey mom,

<snip> I have tried to put together something similar in the CBD for the past two weeks with limited turnout (poor organisation to blame I am afraid) <snip>
Cheers!

aaaaaah haaaaaaaa - so you're the one responsible for this:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=112606


have a look a my response - I'm not sure the CBD on a Sunday is a great target - it's pretty empty, especially early in the morning...

Mission bay has its advantages though - if nothing else then it should provide a good photo op.

Our biggest hurdle here is that the public think we've already won.

We really need our own propaganda to circulate to say why this isn't so.

I'm thinking a set of FAQs - need help with the answers and more questions... not really got time till much later tonight to construct eloquent answers (or more questions) help me out guys...

Q. Haven't the bikers already won this argument - I though the government backed down?
A. (the truth about the fact that the gummint's position hasn't actually changed)

Q. Bikers should pay their way - why am I subsidising you?
A(. Usual arguments?)

Q. Why are you taking up car parks, can't you keep all the bikes together
A. (demonstrating affect of bikers using their cars etc)

Q. Why hurt local businesses taking away car spaces
A. (We're not - we're actually helping by buying stuff)

Q. This doesn't affect me
A. (Increasing levies across the board, privatisation, who's next etc)

Q. How can I help?
A. (Maybe wishful thinking! - but maybe link for donations etc)

More/better questions

Also there will need to be two flyers - we need a biker one (to advertise) and a public one to hand out on the day. CalNZ's flyer was waaaaaaaaaaaay to wordy to be read before it was binned.

[Tank]

I'll be there with both bikes
Girlfriend will ride the other.
Hope burger fuel is open that time in the morning

Thats great - now please post pic of girlfriend so we will know its you.

[PhantasmNZ]

Maybe an angle for the "whats in it for the bikers" flyer would be a debrief of what we've learned since the bikeoi - have we got more to say? Ixion - can you brief people of what went on behind closed doors?

[NewRob]

All sounds good:third:. I am coming, :2guns:Mom. Hey, just asking...why this event on the calender don't have that part where we can put our name down if we are attending. That will give a better idea on how many will be coming. :msn-wink:Cheers

[Mom]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=112883

[PhantasmNZ]

Will be there!

There are ~210 people on the kiwibiker facebook page. Perhaps someone could send a message to all members advertising this event to boost numbers? :chase:

Well puppy_rider - your first ever post here looks to be a good 'un - have X-posted the link to the KB FB page :)
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=76984511342

[Hiflyer]

I'm thinking when we get there, 1 bike per park in the carparks, then each bike on the road parked parallel and leaving 1-1.5 bike lengths between them. (just enough so an average car can't get through, smart cars don't count as average :bleh:)

EDIT: by Smart car I dont mean inteligent I mean the tiny cars that are the same size as a bike haha

[Maha]

I'm thinking when we get there, 1 bike per park in the carparks, then each bike on the road parked parallel and leaving 1-1.5 bike lengths between them. (just enough so an average car can't get through, smart cars don't count as average :bleh:)

But 'smart bikers' are above average in thier thinking, and thats just the idea, one bike per car park.

[Kiwi Graham]

Any chance a flyer can be attached on here for handing out on the day? I could sneak several dozen through the company printer....but would be black and white.

I'm wondering if meeting at 8:30 is a little late considering the cafe's start opening at 7:00 I'll plan on getting there about 7:30ish, suppose I could 'break down' in the entrance.......I know I know is GSX1400 and never likley to happen, people wouldn't belive me :laugh:

[CalNZ]

Hi PhantasmNZ,

Yes that would be me. Must say I agree with your thoughts re: CBD - am glad to see someone who clearly has a far better idea on these things is putting together this event (Mission Bay) - looking forward to a bite and coffee on Sunday with (hopefully) a good turn our of bikers.

Also, Chasio mentions "I got the flyer in a carpark off Durham Street on Friday. The buggers had been aroud and put them on top of the only official flyers allowed that day (i.e. for Maha's ride) that I had put out earlier" in the thread. I do apologise if that was the case - I specifically placed my flyers under the official ride flyers to ensure they were most visible, so unless it was moved after that time, it should have been at the bottom...

[QUOTE=PhantasmNZ;1129520725]aaaaaah haaaaaaaa - so you're the one responsible for this:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=112606


have a look a my response - I'm not sure the CBD on a Sunday is a great target - it's pretty empty, especially early in the morning...

Mission bay has its advantages though - if nothing else then it should provide a good photo op.

[Hiflyer]

Any chance a flyer can be attached on here for handing out on the day? I could sneak several dozen through the company printer....but would be black and white.

I'm wondering if meeting at 8:30 is a little late considering the cafe's start opening at 7:00 I'll plan on getting there about 7:30ish, suppose I could 'break down' in the entrance.......I know I know is GSX1400 and never likley to happen, people wouldn't belive me :laugh:

Yea and you get the best service when you get there early! :)

If I had my hyo I could easily pull that off

[PhantasmNZ]

Any chance a flyer can be attached on here for handing out on the day? I could sneak several dozen through the company printer....but would be black and white.

I'm wondering if meeting at 8:30 is a little late considering the cafe's start opening at 7:00 I'll plan on getting there about 7:30ish, suppose I could 'break down' in the entrance.......I know I know is GSX1400 and never likley to happen, people wouldn't belive me :laugh:

I'll do and post a flyer - but I need material and ideas for it - (being aware that they're not to be too wordy!)

Other important thing - What are we going to call it??

(I quite liked CalNz's "big breakfast" idea actually (and the media keyed into it)

[yungatart]

A call has gone out to HB bikers to do the same thing here...I like your style Annie:blip:

[trevsnz]

Thats great - now please post pic of girlfriend so we will know its you.


I can't... Her mother doesn't know she ride's a motorbike yet :2guns:

[Kiwi Graham]

I'll do and post a flyer - but I need material and ideas for it - (being aware that they're not to be too wordy!)

Other important thing - What are we going to call it??

(I quite liked CalNz's "big breakfast" idea actually (and the media keyed into it)

I think we need to state clearly on it its a demonstration of how many more cars will be on the road if this proposal goes through and be given to every car that drives into the car park looking for a space. At least that way they will understand what we are doing.
They dont need to be huge 4 per A4 would be fine unless we want to say more then 2 per A4 perhaps

I'm sure some wordsmiths will be along in a moment with some headline catching phrase.

[Mom]

Any chance a flyer can be attached on here for handing out on the day? I could sneak several dozen through the company printer....but would be black and white.

I'm wondering if meeting at 8:30 is a little late considering the cafe's start opening at 7:00 I'll plan on getting there about 7:30ish, suppose I could 'break down' in the entrance.......I know I know is GSX1400 and never likley to happen, people wouldn't belive me :laugh:

Yes, it is late, I am ammending the first post to an 8am start. Got to have some beauty sleep after all. Mark and I will be on the road about 6:45am :yawn: Flat whites for us please :D Mine is no sugar, Marks is 2 sugars!

I will talk to the wonderful PhantasmNZ shortly and then we can look to upload a flyer. I already have handouts for the assembled with the battle cry :blip:

[Naki Rat]

I'll do and post a flyer - but I need material and ideas for it - (being aware that they're not to be too wordy!)

Other important thing - What are we going to call it??

(I quite liked CalNz's "big breakfast" idea actually (and the media keyed into it)

Can you please make it generic (not Auckland specific) so we (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129520834&postcount=170) and others can use it for our Sunday brunches.

[Mom]

I actually managed to go and get a little bit of paid work done today :laugh: I am home now and my brain is fully engaged on this once more.

I have some questions.

Who has contacts with scooter (why do I always speel that sccoters) owners/clubs? The ASMC is already promoting this event to its members, we need to get the little guys along too, this affects them as much as it does us.

Who has contacts with other motorcycle groups/clubs that might also like a leisurely brunch on Sunday?

I will work on the details of the day and post them shortly.

Suffice to say, there will be speeches! I promise I will keep mine shortish :innocent: There may be others along to support us that will want to talk too! I want lots of noise!

[Mom]

Can you please make it generic (not Auckland specific) so we (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129520834&postcount=170) and others can use it for our Sunday brunches.

Oh, you are going to do something! :love: UM, how about we get something as a base for you guys to use, take the template and change the details? I am not sure at this stage how often I personally want to be coming to Auckland every weekend, I suspect this will become a monthly committment for me. But it will be a good one every month :sunny:

[Mom]

Yay!!!

Here we go, here we go, here we go!!!


http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129520834&postcount=170

[PhantasmNZ]

Just a thought - how about not pitching this primarily as a "protest" as such - but more of a "meeting" to discuss the issues - that way the regularity it justified, and there is a feedback loop - we could use this to gather the thoughts of other bikers who might not be part of the kb community.

As for scooters, there are about 25 million (slight exaggeration, but hey this is all about dodgy numbers) around the CBD - we'll just make the flyer scooter-inclusive (like "no motorway riding involved - bring yer moped!")

[Mom]

As for scooters, there are about 25 million (slight exaggeration, but hey this is all about dodgy numbers) around the CBD - we'll just make the flyer scooter-inclusive (like "no motorway riding involved - bring yer moped!")


I have put a thread in the scooter forum just now, hopefully this will help spread the word.

[yungatart]

How's this for a flyer?

[MadDuck]

Cool im taking my togs ....

How could I not turn up now :msn-wink:

[Kiwi Graham]

Cool im taking my togs and flutter board....:rockon:

Remember the.........Tog, togs, togs.......undies rule mate.
There could be children and old folk around......dont want to scare them aye. :chase:

[Maha]

Remember the.........Tog, togs, togs.......undies rule mate.
There could be children and old folk around......dont want to scare them aye. :chase:

Sooooooooo leave the inline skates at home?.....<_<


BTW.........milk and two thanks...:msn-wink:

[Tink]

Where: Mission Bay

When: Sunday November 22

Time: 8:00am onwards



If I can scrape the kids outer bed I will come.. if one child... on bikes... if more than one in car, and will park with helmets showing in car.... if this is ok.... space is space right!

[taff1954]

Just a thought - how about not pitching this primarily as a "protest" as such - but more of a "meeting" to discuss the issues - that way the regularity it justified, and there is a feedback loop - we could use this to gather the thoughts of other bikers who might not be part of the kb community.

As for scooters, there are about 25 million (slight exaggeration, but hey this is all about dodgy numbers) around the CBD - we'll just make the flyer scooter-inclusive (like "no motorway riding involved - bring yer moped!")

Essentially what we are doing in NP. All getting together for a coffee - and to chew the fat over the ACC Levies. Us protesting? What on earth gave you that idea?

[aahsv]

If I can scrape the kids outer bed I will come.. if one child... on bikes... if more than one in car, and will park with helmets showing in car.... if this is ok.... space is space right!

Sorry, no parking for cars :Police:

[gilly]

How about this flyer.

[Cleve]

Hope to make it. I live up the road - but will be at a huge Xmas party the night before...

[DidJit]

Hope to make it. I live up the road - but will be at a huge Xmas party the night before...

Should be an all-nighter then and you'll be just in time for brekkie. ;)

[Mom]

How about this flyer.

I like this!

[short-circuit]

Can I play too Mom?

[Mom]

Can I play too Mom?

Of course you can. Though we wont be playing, we will be dead set certain about the reason we are there. Think you can cope?

[Kiwi Graham]

Using the Kiss pricipal here and saving on paper :innocent:

Any good?

[Mom]

Hope to make it. I live up the road - but will be at a huge Xmas party the night before...

All the more reason to fuel up on a solid breakfast at one of the fine eateries in Mission Bay I reckon. You may however, want to walk down there if you have really had a heavy night, them blood cells tend to hold on to things for a long time :innocent:

[short-circuit]

Think you can cope?

I'm sure you'll keep me in line :spanking:

[Mom]

I'm sure you'll keep me in line :spanking:

Look forward to saying hi again on Sunday then :eek:

[Clean_up]

Count me in :) I'll definately be there :) will be nice to have brekkie in mission bay and catch up with a few of you whom i had the pleasure of meeting down in wellington, and at the teddy bear ride last weekend :)

[caseye]

Annie! if you haven't posted this on the BFTP site you'd better, I know many if not all of the guys and girls would do their best to come, count me and the wife, KB aka Ratbag, on her own bike, as in.
Mission bay is an awesome idea darling, plenty of waterfront, not a lot of parking, it'll be a hoot.
C u at 7.30 ish, gotta be in quick if ya wanna park folks.
Dodygiti,Inner city, too big bro, this is fantastic, will hit where it hurts.
Pissing off the general piublic? how?, exercising our right to utilise a park is not an offence and if we're asked why, we can quite legitimatly say, it's part of what they( the general public) need to get used too)What was a car park with three or four bikes parked in it, is now going to be taken up by our individual Cages, lets see if that idea enthuses them any more, than the govt trying to tax us! of the road.
Please be quite clear, I'm hoping many of the public do get a tad annoyed and as I'm certain they will, they'll ask WHY? That people is when we explain it to them in simple terms, it's us and 0ur usual courteous parking on the bikes ( no increases in ACC Levies) or it's our cars taking up the spaces they currently use because we use our gas miserly, road not damaging, far less polluting motorcycles!
Win win, we have breeky, we get to talk to lots of members of the public and they get to see where we are coming from, first hand.
Then, it gets better, They ( from Mission bay, Remmers, St Heliers etc) go to their local MP's and give em shit!
Tell them, get this sorted out or else we pull our donations and our support.
Great idea Mom, I'm with you all the bloody way.

[ckai]

I might have to spread the word on this and see if some dirty bikers from the dirty Waikato can make it up for a spot of tea and crumpets. I haven't been to mission bay in years.

Oh how exiting!:eek:

[GOONR]

I've already got plans but will sneak out for an hour or so. See ya there.

[Maha]

I might have to spread the word on this and see if some dirty bikers from the dirty Waikato can make it up for a spot of tea and crumpets. I haven't been to mission bay in years.

Oh how exiting!:eek:

Yeah get the Kato' to represent, cowbells expected!!

[MadDuck]

see if some dirty bikers from the dirty Waikato can make it up for a spot of tea and crumpets.

Oh for goodness sake! Its Mission Bay. Crumpets are so yesterday - its scones and cream. Dirty Bikers are not permited. Fanging and racing on the streets are frowned upon in these parts.

Be good to see you lot again :bleh:

[Maha]

Oh for goodness sake! Its Mission Bay. Crumpets are so yesterday - its scones and cream. Dirty Bikers are not permited. Fanging and racing on the streets are frowned upon in these parts.

Be good to see you lot again :bleh:

There always a bit of crumpet in 'The bay of Mission' on Sundays.

[MacD]

Oh for goodness sake! Its Mission Bay. Crumpets are so yesterday - its scones and cream. Dirty Bikers are not permited. Fanging and racing on the streets are frowned upon in these parts.

Be good to see you lot again :bleh:

More likely bagels and cream cheese these days!

[Mom]

More likely bagels and cream cheese these days!

B.L.A.T. for me thanks...

Failing that, I will have mushrooms on toast :blip:

[MadDuck]

I will have mushrooms on toast :blip:

Ok. Thats me. I will be there rain or snow!

Happy to share Maha

[Mom]

All sounds good:third:. I am coming, :2guns:Mom. Hey, just asking...why this event on the calender don't have that part where we can put our name down if we are attending. That will give a better idea on how many will be coming. :msn-wink:Cheers

Probably because I did not tick the box :o

Ok, we can now register our intention to attend :D

And I am the only one so far :weep:

[PhantasmNZ]

Ok.... some good ideas for public flyers... but here's my effort for the biker flyers... please check it out and print out a zillion for every biker you know...

[flyingcrocodile46]

Hardly a visible protest though if a bunch of bikers park up in an empty carpark on a Sunday morning, nowhere to have brekkie either.

I am not that much bothered about annoying anyone except for the businesses that might potentially lose income if cars cant get in there. Look there is any amount of parking buildings in the city. The bloody cars can go and park there and walk a bit further than they would normally do. It is bikes taking up the spaces that is making the statement.

I can't make this on Saturday, I have already arranged to have coffee with several of my female biker friends at various places around the town :blip:

If you want to annoy the businesses, have everyone pack a picnic rather than buying their food and beverages.

Mission Bay is good. The spill over could go to St Helliers (local Nat MP office in an apartment one street back from the main road (Polygon Rd) so local businesses don't have far to go to whine at their MP :laugh:

Parnel Rd is a prime target as there really aren't many parking places on adjacent roads. Ponsonby Rd is better as far as impact on business for a lunch/dinner run (tons of restaurants) Though a bit more adjacent parking and not so many picnic spots

[flyingcrocodile46]

Good plan!
But can we get it defined a bit more please?
If the turnout is to be small-ish do we need to make one area our own (so to speak)?
Like the waterfront, or Ponsonby road?
Not much of a city type myself, so where are the parking places we can make the biggest impact.

And I take it we get in the CBD early to score the parks and hold onto them for the 9am flurry of 'shoppers'?

Nice Sig :2guns:

[MadDuck]

And I am the only one so far :weep:

Not for long Mom!

[Mom]

If you want to annoy the businesses, have everyone pack a picnic rather than buying their food and beverages.



Hey, lets get this really clear. I DO NOT want to annoy the businesses! No way - no how. If we take up the carparks, and take the cage trade away, we HAVE to go and support them.

[Mom]

Ok.... some good ideas for public flyers... but here's my effort for the biker flyers... please check it out and print out a zillion for every biker you know...

Fantastic! Thank you so much!

[Mom]

Not for long Mom!

So far it is just you and me. We may be little, but we are noisey :second:

[Tink]

Sorry, no parking for cars :Police:

Shame, as I can't pillion being a learner, I guess it will be no learners with 2 kids, or park a million miles away... tis Mission Bay! I could scrape myself outer bed earlier than you lot... and park erm, yes defeats the purpose...


Great idea Mom, I'm with you all the bloody way.

;) good on Gillian!!!!

[flyingcrocodile46]

Annie! if you haven't posted this on the BFTP site you'd better, I know many if not all of the guys and girls would do their best to come, count me and the wife, KB aka Ratbag, on her own bike, as in.
Mission bay is an awesome idea darling, plenty of waterfront, not a lot of parking, it'll be a hoot.
C u at 7.30 ish, gotta be in quick if ya wanna park folks.
Dodygiti,Inner city, too big bro, this is fantastic, will hit where it hurts.
Pissing off the general piublic? how?, exercising our right to utilise a park is not an offence and if we're asked why, we can quite legitimatly say, it's part of what they( the general public) need to get used too)What was a car park with three or four bikes parked in it, is now going to be taken up by our individual Cages, lets see if that idea enthuses them any more, than the govt trying to tax us! of the road.
Please be quite clear, I'm hoping many of the public do get a tad annoyed and as I'm certain they will, they'll ask WHY? That people is when we explain it to them in simple terms, it's us and 0ur usual courteous parking on the bikes ( no increases in ACC Levies) or it's our cars taking up the spaces they currently use because we use our gas miserly, road not damaging, far less polluting motorcycles!
Win win, we have breeky, we get to talk to lots of members of the public and they get to see where we are coming from, first hand.
Then, it gets better, They ( from Mission bay, Remmers, St Heliers etc) go to their local MP's and give em shit!
Tell them, get this sorted out or else we pull our donations and our support.
Great idea Mom, I'm with you all the bloody way.



Would be nice to have a few KISS placards for the public to reflect on (stimulate righteous paranoia). Perhaps some simple but revealing statistical equation based on their figures that don't add up?.

Make much ado about the fact that ACC has an 11 billion$ reserve... I really liked that 'he's no trout' Professor's explanation of how they propose to fatten and re-brand the ACC as an 'ACC Insurance' cash cow with a 24 billion dollar reserve and govt guaranteed income stream, for sale to the highest bidders.

Make a big deal about how everybody's earner premium is going to increase along with other selected risk groups as well. That'll piss the public off (pissed with the govt).

What an underhanded way to raise funds and enslave the taxpayer eh? Wouldn't it be more honest to just go and borrow the hundreds of billion$ they want and enslave the taxpayer in the usual open and transparent manner as has historically been the case?

[DMNTD]

See ya there :Police:

[Maha]

See ya there :Police:

Be to early for a bourbon eh?.....:shifty:

[flyingcrocodile46]

Hey, lets get this really clear. I DO NOT want to annoy the businesses! No way - no how. If we take up the carparks, and take the cage trade away, we HAVE to go and support them.

My bad! I read "I am not that much bothered about annoying anyone except for the businesses" as meaning that you weren't motivated to annoy anyone except for the businesses. :doh:

That aside. Are the Parnell Rd and Ponsonby Rd suggestions not suitable to meet your needs for additional venues?

[MadDuck]

Be to early for a bourbon eh?.....:shifty:

NEVER too early for bourbon!

[DMNTD]

Be to early for a bourbon eh?.....:shifty:

Shame on you!!!!!!!!!! :spanking:

[vecks69]

This sounds like a plan count me in . Will spread the word

[Jeaves]

Good stuff, having missed the Bikeoi whilst overseas i shall be along for this.

[PhantasmNZ]

Fantastic! Thank you so much!

I'll print some and distribute as many as I can around the closest CBD parks tomorrow (though I'll probably only get downtown and maybe victoria done at the most)

Suggest adding the flyer to the first post?

[Mom]

Would be nice to have a few KISS placards for the public to reflect on (stimulate righteous paranoia). Perhaps some simple but revealing statistical equation based on their figures that don't add up?.

Make much ado about the fact that ACC has an 11 billion$ reserve... I really liked that 'he's no trout' Professor's explanation of how they propose to fatten and re-brand the ACC as an 'ACC Insurance' cash cow with a 24 billion dollar reserve and govt guaranteed income stream, for sale to the highest bidders.

Make a big deal about how everybody's earner premium is going to increase along with other selected risk groups as well. That'll piss the public off (pissed with the govt).

What an underhanded way to raise funds and enslave the taxpayer eh? Wouldn't it be more honest to just go and borrow the hundreds of billion$ they want and enslave the taxpayer in the usual open and transparent manner as has historically been the case?

Can you please make some? Spray painted on drop cloths will do, I am sure we will find people to hold them up for us :yes:


I'll print some and distribute as many as I can around the closest CBD parks tomorrow (though I'll probably only get downtown and maybe victoria done at the most)

Suggest adding the flyer to the first post?

Done :D

And so am I. Fantastic first 12 hours result! Thanks to all!

[aahsv]

If you want to annoy the businesses, have everyone pack a picnic rather than buying their food and beverages.

Mission Bay is good. The spill over could go to St Helliers (local Nat MP office in an apartment one street back from the main road (Polygon Rd) so local businesses don't have far to go to whine at their MP :laugh:

Parnel Rd is a prime target as there really aren't many parking places on adjacent roads. Ponsonby Rd is better as far as impact on business for a lunch/dinner run (tons of restaurants) Though a bit more adjacent parking and not so many picnic spots

Yep, John Key lives in Parnell - hopefully his neighbours can give him the message :chase:

[jamiey]

Finally a protest I can attend, whhhooop see you all there for Brekkie:niceone:

[flyingcrocodile46]

Can you please make some? Spray painted on drop cloths will do, I am sure we will find people to hold them up for us :yes:


Sorry Mom, I have had three days off this week for the Wgtn protest. I have a ton of work I must catch up on today and tomorrow and three reports to edit and reproduce on Saturday. I will make the event but doubt I will have the time to prep any banners for this one. Maybe the next one?

[fizbin]

Yay me and the wife will be there for this one. i have got the mother in law to look after them so not only do i get a morning off i get the night off to!
woop woop see you all in the morning.:yawn:

[Fatt Max]

I'm a bit worried about Sunday......does anyone know if I can get a decent pie in Mission Bay....?

[GOONR]

I'm a bit worried about Sunday......does anyone know if I can get a decent pie in Mission Bay....?

All ways thinking of the pies innit! See ya there.

[Mom]

Just a thought - how about not pitching this primarily as a "protest" as such - but more of a "meeting" to discuss the issues - that way the regularity it justified, and there is a feedback loop - we could use this to gather the thoughts of other bikers who might not be part of the kb community.

As for scooters, there are about 25 million (slight exaggeration, but hey this is all about dodgy numbers) around the CBD - we'll just make the flyer scooter-inclusive (like "no motorway riding involved - bring yer moped!")


I want this to be a protest, but will be driving a clear message to Joe Public about what is going on here. This poxy government are using some fairly transparent tactics to quietly screw the population while they are diverted by a bunch of noisey bikers. Educating the wider population is paramount, I hope as they realise what is going on they join us in letting Minister Myth know that he can not, and will not be allowed to privatise ACC, turn it into an insurance scheme and sell it off!



Using the Kiss pricipal here and saving on paper :innocent:

Any good?

Great for actually putting on car windscreens at the protest venue, can you do a few?


Sorry Mom, I have had three days off this week for the Wgtn protest. I have a ton of work I must catch up on today and tomorrow and three reports to edit and reproduce on Saturday. I will make the event but doubt I will have the time to prep any banners for this one. Maybe the next one?

S'right. I completely understand. I am a bit pushed myself, but will come up with some pithy one liners that can be painted on palcards. Bring things to make noise too you lot, I want to make a HUGE noise down there on Sunday :yes:

[Kiwi Graham]

Great for actually putting on car windscreens at the protest venue, can you do a few?

Yep already printed 40 sheets = 80 flyers, will 'guillotine' them and bring along. Cant really print any more or the photocopyer police will get me so if any one else can print some that would be great.

That was my thoughts, to stick on windscreens and give to drivers cruising around attempting to find a parking space. It lets them know whats going on.

Edit do we still have the 'battle flag'?

[Fatt Max]

All ways thinking of the pies innit! See ya there.

Nice one mate....see, I will even socialise with an Arsenal supporter just to get our message across...thats dedication...

Let's not mention the result from a couple of weeks ago, reckon I owe you a cuppa for that.......:gob:

[Fatt Max]

.....oh, and a message to you all....no taking the piss out if us chubby Pommies based on the predicted slapping we are going to get at the hands of the All Blacks on Sunday morning.....do you really need to see a nude Haka froma a fat bastard at that time of the morning?

[RiderInBlack]

Right I'm in. Got back from Wellington yesterday, and yes there is more to be done.
I am contacting Far North Ulysses to see if they would change their Sunday ride to join ya in Browns (oops, my bad) Mission Bay. It would be lunch time before they could join.
OK just been talking with the Pressie, and he tells me it is too late to change run at this stage. Will ring around and see if anyone up here is interested anyway.

[Hiflyer]

I'm a bit worried about Sunday......does anyone know if I can get a decent pie in Mission Bay....?

Star Mart :niceone: don't know when it opens though

[Mom]

Edit do we still have the 'battle flag'?

Yes we do.


I am contacting Far North Ulysses to see if they would change their Sunday ride to join ya in Browns Bay. It would be lunch time before they could join.
OK just been talking with the Pressie, and he tells me it is too late to change run at this stage. Will ring around and see if anyone up here is interested anyway
It is in Mission Bay!

[k2w3]

You mean it's not Browns Bay?

[Tank]

Just so this thread dosnt sit with Browns bay as the last post.

It is in MISSION BAY

[SpankMe]

Sunday Breakfast/Brunch anyone? ....

Gonna need a few more than the 16 people currently registered, so if you want me to do a mail out to all KB members tonight, let me know.

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Gonna need a few more than the 16 people currently registered, so if you want me to do a mail out to all KB members tonight, let me know.

Where do we register?

[SpankMe]

Where do we register?



Register here (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&e=2266&day=2009-11-22)

[Kiwi Graham]

Gonna need a few more than the 16 people currently registered, so if you want me to do a mail out to all KB members tonight, let me know.

Yes please Spank it wouldnt hurt :yes:

[short-circuit]

Righto registered

[k2w3]

Done & done

[gtr boy]

im there................nice in early to.the triumph didnt like those hot motorway runs at midday.

[Hispid]

I'm registered.

[Mom]

Gonna need a few more than the 16 people currently registered, so if you want me to do a mail out to all KB members tonight, let me know.

Yes please.

[yungatart]

Gonna need a few more than the 16 people currently registered, so if you want me to do a mail out to all KB members tonight, let me know.

Can you add the Hawkes Bay peeps to your email please....
thank you, you are such a sweetie (kiss, kiss)

[SpankMe]

Can you add the Hawkes Bay peeps to your email please....
thank you, you are such a sweetie (kiss, kiss)

Everyone that has the "Receive Email from Administrators" option on will get the email. I've been looking at buying this professional emailing software so I can setup a Kiwi Biker newsletter service just for this sort of thing.

[avgas]

hey guys just saw this now - and have to shoot off to the other work, so dont have time to read whole thread.

I used to live in mission bay, and if you want to claim all the parks you really need to get there before 8, 7 if possible.

Reason being is all the sports freaks are parked at the bay at 8am. Cos i used to lose my park outside the house then if I shot off for 10 minutes :bash:.

Just an FYI
will check this thread when I'm back home.
-Stew

[Maha]

Gonna need a few more than the 16 people currently registered, so if you want me to do a mail out to all KB members tonight, let me know.

31 as of now Spank, something seems to be working.
Not all register, look at last Saturday, 113 registered and more than 300 turned up, or there abouts.

[SpankMe]

31 as of now Spank, something seems to be working.
Not all register, look at last Saturday, 113 registered and more than 300 turned up, or there abouts.

Yep. Might be a bit late to send out an email now. Happy to do it in the future, just give me enough notice. :) Kiwi Biker is here to help.

[Mom]

Happy to do it in the future, just give me enough notice. :) Kiwi Biker is here to help.


The biggest problem is I got no warning either, Wednesday I beseiged by media wanting to know what was planned. Could not let them down eh ;)

[Hiflyer]

The biggest problem is I got no warning either, Wednesday I beseiged by media wanting to know what was planned. Could not let them down eh ;)

Well you've done a fricken good job considering!!!


We'd be lost without you and Maha and StoneY to name a few


You wanna organise my life!? haha :sweatdrop :sweatdrop

[Mom]

Well you've done a fricken good job considering!!!


We'd be lost without you and Maha and StoneY to name a few


You wanna organise my life!? haha :sweatdrop :sweatdrop

Not a friggen chance mate, I cant even manage my own at the moment :laugh:

[PhantasmNZ]

Bugger.

Should have printed more.

Just dropped the lions share of a 100 flyers (gave maybe 15-20 to a mate to distribute) in the CBD - Victoria and Downtown car parks (and a few on street between) - talke to a few bikers who were pretty positive (was good to tell them the story that I was actually @ the bikeoi and that the same (ish) crowd that were behind the Auckland ride were now behind the breakfast thing.

Will print more tomorrow - and depending on my day (bloody meetings!) will try and do a lunchtime-ish drop onto studentland around symonds street.

P

[Mom]

Bugger.

Should have printed more.

Just dropped the lions share of a 100 flyers (gave maybe 15-20 to a mate to distribute) in the CBD - Victoria and Downtown car parks (and a few on street between) - talke to a few bikers who were pretty positive (was good to tell them the story that I was actually @ the bikeoi and that the same (ish) crowd that were behind the Auckland ride were now behind the breakfast thing.

Will print more tomorrow - and depending on my day (bloody meetings!) will try and do a lunchtime-ish drop onto studentland around symonds street.

P

Your blood is worth bottling! No doubt about it. Sadly there are some bling limits imposed on members of this forum. At the moment it would be nice to have unlimited bling to thank all the people that are working so hard for this!

You think you have problems, I dont have any ink in my printer, so what that means is I have to finish my speech tonight and email it to my work so I can print it out there :dodge: In between times - my daughter is cooking tea (though she does not actually know that yet) :Oops: I am talking shit to media, and sending emails to all the scooter contacts I can find :o

[blade1000]

if i can sort abike ill be there , what time

[DidJit]

Before 8am.

[Maha]

if i can sort abike ill be there , what time

Was the time not on the first post?.......:whistle:

[Kiwi Graham]

Yes it is mate but these latte typs and fitness bunnies get up early in the morning.
Not expecting you and Anne to get into town early but I'm going to be there for 7:30. I'll put you coffee orders in guys.

[Mom]

if i can sort abike ill be there , what time

I was kind of hoping I made that clear in the first post, it says 8am, earlier is better


Yes it is mate but these latte typs and fitness bunnies get up early in the morning.
Not expecting you and Anne to get into town early but I'm going to be there for 7:30. I'll put you coffee orders in guys.

We are going to try for early. Heaven help me, here we go again. This has generated a HUGE amount of media interest, I have a hot ear now. My speech is suffering as a result :dodge: My kai tonight was yummiful! Excuse me, speeches to write :D

[Maha]

Yes it is mate but these latte typs and fitness bunnies get up early in the morning.
Not expecting you and Anne to get into town early but I'm going to be there for 7:30. I'll put you coffee orders in guys.

:yawn: I think :yawn: we are looking to be out here by :yawn: 6.30am :yawn: getting us down around the same time, but after that first coffee its....:woohoo::wari:

[fizbin]

Ok.... some good ideas for public flyers... but here's my effort for the biker flyers... please check it out and print out a zillion for every biker you know...


hey do these need to be in color. if not then i could print out a quite a few on the sly at work?

[Kiwi Graham]

hey do these need to be in color. if not then i could print out a quite a few on the sly at work?

Dont worry about colour if ya cant get it B&W is just fine. I got 80 flyers past the photocopyier police today :whistle:

Printed a few flash colour ones at home for the first customers of the day ;)

[PhantasmNZ]

nahh.... they are intended to be done in b&w - laser printing is better in case they get wet

[MadDuck]

:yawn: I think :yawn: we are looking to be out here by :yawn: 6.30am :yawn: getting us down around the same time, but after that first coffee its....:woohoo::wari:

Jeepers. So see you about 6.40am at the usual meet place?

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Jeepers. So see you about 6.40am at the usual meet place?

I thought it was an 8am park up?!?!?!

[SpankMe]

email <strike>spammed</strike> sent with my cool new $600 :( Activecampaign email marketing (http://www.activecampaign.com/email-marketing/) software. :) This software will be really useful just for this sort of thing. Now I can setup various mailing lists which people are free to unsubscribe from.

[MadDuck]

I thought it was an 8am park up?!?!?!

We have a bit of a ride to get there from here. Coffee...talking bullshit...coffee

[fizbin]

Dont worry about colour if ya cant get it B&W is just fine. I got 80 flyers past the photocopyier police today :whistle:

Printed a few flash colour ones at home for the first customers of the day ;)

sweet the bonus of having a printer in my office i can prob get 200 odd off tomorrow if anyone wants some.

[GOONR]

email <strike>spammed</strike> sent with my cool new $600 :( Activecampaign email marketing (http://www.activecampaign.com/email-marketing/) software. :) This software will be really useful just for this sort of thing. Now I can setup various mailing lists which people are free to unsubscribe from.

Sweet, got this one!

I'm gonna have to put in a donation for the upkeep of this site, can't be cheap.

[Maha]

Jeepers. So see you about 6.40am at the usual meet place?

I cant make Siverdale in 10 mins from here, I ride a honda for a start...:scooter:

[flyingcrocodile46]

I thought it was an 8am park up?!?!?!


Start early to ensure that the car parks are filled by a bike and carry it on through the day as and when bikers come available. May just pan out as a rotated 4 or more hour affair. I've told some who cant make it early to rock up for brunch or lunch.

[SpankMe]

Is there any place in Mission Bay that does good pancakes?

[MadDuck]

Is there any place in Mission Bay that does good pancakes?

MacDonalds?

[SpankMe]

MacDonalds?

:sick::puke:

[Maha]

Is there any place in Mission Bay that does good pancakes?

Riva Cafe....they do pancakes....:woohoo:

This is from thier website...' classic choice of pancakes, served with a selection of filling and icecream'!

Open from 9.30am

[MadDuck]

Riva's Cafe....they do pancakes....:woohoo:

Hmmm but do they do mushrooms?

[Maha]

Hmmm but do they do mushrooms?

:sick: fecked if I know.....:puke:

[Maha]

Linky to the cafe's in Mission Bay

http://www.missionbay.co.nz/default.asp?s1=Cafes%20Restaurants%20n%20Bars

[TOTO]

Don't know if someone is already doing this but...


I have a relatively cheap printing at Massey University, so will print off a whole heap of them flyers tomorrow morning and go and chuck as many as possible at the bike parks that I know of.

Hoping for a great turnout on Sunday falks.

[davereid]

If I can scrape the kids outer bed I will come.. if one child... on bikes... if more than one in car, and will park with helmets showing in car.... if this is ok.... space is space right!

I reckon this is a great idea !

As long as Joe Public can clearly identify that the car is the bike we can no longer afford. Maybe a modified version of the "target" poster in the back window...

"Sorry I nicked your park... if I could afford to register my motorcycle, you wouldn't even know I was here" kinda thing.

Plus, instead of taking a pillion, your normal passenger can double numbers by taking the postered-up car.

[RiderInBlack]

So a 9:30am from BK Whangarei to park-up in Mission Bay for early lunch to keep the parking filled up:whistle: could be the plan for us:msn-wink: Does that work for ya plans Mum & Maha? We'd have ta leave Whangarei 5:30am ta make Mission Bay by 8am.

[kiwi123]

But will this thing backfire and undo some of the good work done by the bikeoi? From what I have seen and heard, most people support the stand that has been taken by the motorcycle community against ACC and the proposed increases. However, if we start screwing with Joe Public's day to day activities, most will just get pissed off and we risk losing their support.

Everyone has the right to park there on their bikes and I'm not suggesting that it shouldn't be done, but I don't see this being an overwhealming PR success. It would be a shame to have someone get stroppy about this in front of a TV camera and have bikers look like dicks because of the spin the media will undoubtedly put on it.

I hope I am wrong (it is 1.30am so I probably am) See you all on Sunday!

[Mom]

I reckon this is a great idea !

As long as Joe Public can clearly identify that the car is the bike we can no longer afford. Maybe a modified version of the "target" poster in the back window...

"Sorry I nicked your park... if I could afford to register my motorcycle, you wouldn't even know I was here" kinda thing.

Plus, instead of taking a pillion, your normal passenger can double numbers by taking the postered-up car.

Already sorted :D


So a 9:30am from BK Whangarei to park-up in Mission Bay for early lunch to keep the parking filled up:whistle: could be the plan for us:msn-wink: Does that work for ya plans Mum & Maha? We'd have ta leave Whangarei 5:30am ta make Mission Bay by 8am.

Sure thing Doug. We will just be chilling down there anyway. be good to see you :yes: Though I may have to make 2 speeches now in light of this :laugh:


But will this thing backfire and undo some of the good work done by the bikeoi? From what I have seen and heard, most people support the stand that has been taken by the motorcycle community against ACC and the proposed increases. However, if we start screwing with Joe Public's day to day activities, most will just get pissed off and we risk losing their support.

Everyone has the right to park there on their bikes and I'm not suggesting that it shouldn't be done, but I don't see this being an overwhealming PR success. It would be a shame to have someone get stroppy about this in front of a TV camera and have bikers look like dicks because of the spin the media will undoubtedly put on it.

I hope I am wrong (it is 1.30am so I probably am) See you all on Sunday!


What I am hoping to achieve on Sunday is to actually educate Joe Public about wht is going on under their noses while the government have got this wonderful angry biker smoke screen in place.

[Nasty]

But will this thing backfire and undo some of the good work done by the bikeoi? From what I have seen and heard, most people support the stand that has been taken by the motorcycle community against ACC and the proposed increases. However, if we start screwing with Joe Public's day to day activities, most will just get pissed off and we risk losing their support.

Everyone has the right to park there on their bikes and I'm not suggesting that it shouldn't be done, but I don't see this being an overwhealming PR success. It would be a shame to have someone get stroppy about this in front of a TV camera and have bikers look like dicks because of the spin the media will undoubtedly put on it.

I hope I am wrong (it is 1.30am so I probably am) See you all on Sunday!


Interestingly, the press for this one seems a bit more positive than the one to stop people parking at Westgate Malls http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10610482.

[gwigs]

I was going to pull the tranny on my bike to fix the dodgy 2nd gear but
we need as many bikes on the road as we can muster.
With all the protest action I have decided to fix after all the protesting is over
or winter whichever comes first.
Anyhow count me in ,Im keen to do every protest I can..
See you all there..:scooter:

[Tink]

Already sorted :D

.

Does that mean I am not welcome... or I have to park up the road, around the corner and down the lane lol.... ;)

[jed4czar]

You know I think that we may be missing the point - The fundamental problem here is the people that we have allowed to manage the country for us. This Government (much like the last) is hellbent on pushing through their ideologically driven will with no regard to those who pay their wages and employ them to keep the roads in good repair. Now they want to charge us extra to support their own agenda eg. subsidise trucking so they can have rail in private ownership, subsidise sports so they can have kudos of world cups. Not to mention privatisation of ACC against (I think) the will of most of NZ's. Our "employees" want to tell us how to raise our kids and then pay organisations like barnardos to tell us how were all bastards for giving our kids a clip round the ear. Pour millions into their own organisations like CYPS to look after little shits who didn't get a clip around the ear at the right time (I know I used to look after them). Tell us we're just thick and ignore us because we want crims off the streets longer. What about when we said we didn't think we should have more MPs in parliament per head of population compared to the rest of the civilized world - NOTHING HAPPENED!!!!!
I reckon we should be behind the democracy march tommorrow as well as it affects us also...
When Nick Smith announces that "We have listened to the voice of the people and are only going to put rego's up to $500" You will know you have been shafted. And when it goes up another $100 next year and $100 the year after you can know that this was the thin end!

I'll say it again perhaps Guy Fawkes was quite a clear thinker!

[Mom]

When Nick Smith announces that "We have listened to the voice of the people and are only going to put rego's up to $500" You will know you have been shafted. And when it goes up another $100 next year and $100 the year after you can know that this was the thin end!


This is the thin edge of the wedge make no mistake about it. Why do you suppose there are so many of us still out here doing this? We understand what is going on. We now have to make sure other people also understand.

[Bass]

Anne,
I have this really vague recollection from reading through one of the "bike parking in Wellington" threads, that someone claimed Wellington had a by-law which prohibited parking bikes in car parks.
I have no idea if Auckland has something similar, but Les might know.
If Auckland DOES have such a by-law, it might be an idea to have some planned response in the event that the parking Nazis (or other authorities) were to get involved.

[Mully]

Anne,
I have this really vague recollection from reading through one of the "bike parking in Wellington" threads, that someone claimed Wellington had a by-law which prohibited parking bikes in car parks.
I have no idea if Auckland has something similar, but Les might know.
If Auckland DOES have such a by-law, it might be an idea to have some planned response in the event that the parking Nazis (or other authorities) were to get involved.

Good thinking.

There's nothing here: http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/auckland/transport/parking/motorcycle.asp

about bikes being prohibited, at all.

EDIT: I worry about the Westfield thing though - Westfield malls are private property. You'd only need on "Mr Plastic Badge" security guard to try to move a bike himself to start a riot.

[Kiwi Graham]

I belive its a Wellington bylaw.
Have never seen or heard of it being used in Auckland.

Edit I agree Mully. dpex be bloody careful mate, what you start you may not be able to control!

[k2w3]

Is that really the case in Welly? What a bloody stupid law. I hope they provide LOTS of bike parks (all over the place) as an alternative.

[Karel Pavich]

YEs well, getting in the news for the WRONG reasons is not necessarily the best way to get support, all you will do is piss off all other road users and give everyone including the government and the general public more reason to sting the motorcyclists..... I dont agree with your approach, all you will do is damage our reputation and give the media more ammunition. Grow up.

IF you look at the rolling protest road from Dairy Flat - they have the right approach - "we are NOT deliberately setting out to inconvenience the motoring public of Auckland. This is about making our presence felt and a chance to express our angst about this psycho levy proposal"

That is how we should approach this, we need as many people including the public on our side as possible.

[k2w3]

Karel, are you denying that if we're priced off the roads we won't use cars as an alternative?

I think this weekend's activities demonstrate a fact.

[michael]

I'm keen to come down to support, but my tires aren't in the best condition. Don't want to make us look bad by turning up to a protest on an unwarrantable bike. It does have a warrant and reg just a bald rear.

[Nasty]

Is that really the case in Welly? What a bloody stupid law. I hope they provide LOTS of bike parks (all over the place) as an alternative.

They do provide bike parks ... they also have negotiated with parking buildings for additional parks through the city due to the number of bikes now used during the week.

Doesn't matter that people think it is stupid .. they have to balance the on-street timed parking for others than motocyclists and it seems to work in their favour when it comes to protests like this one.

[Tank]

YEs well, getting in the news for the WRONG reasons is not necessarily the best way to get support, all you will do is piss off all other road users and give everyone including the government and the general public more reason to sting the motorcyclists..... I dont agree with your approach, all you will do is damage our reputation and give the media more ammunition. Grow up.

IF you look at the rolling protest road from Dairy Flat - they have the right approach - "we are NOT deliberately setting out to inconvenience the motoring public of Auckland. This is about making our presence felt and a chance to express our angst about this psycho levy proposal"

That is how we should approach this, we need as many people including the public on our side as possible.


The Bikeoi and the Mission bay protest both seem to have been very well received in the press - I dont see any issue with them at all.

Further - attending on Sunday will be my first protest action ever. (ohhh Im such a rebel).

Having said that - the Westfield thing I dont believe is as well thought out - and I dont think even the number of bikers needed will attend.

IF they did however - despite it being a public park - you cannot discriminate on someone's transport and as long as people were in there shopping???

Pfft - Personally - I think having groups of riders circling the block of Smiths home 24 x 7 (louder pipes the better) pissing him and his neighbours off would have more impact. :laugh:

Anyway - hope to see 100's of you in Mission Bay Sunday.

[Dean]

Anyone going in a car willing to pick me up to go to this protest, pweeaasse there will be something in it for ya. Chuck me a pm.

[billybobo13]

Anybody keen to meet up at the Mobil Cnr Northcote and Sunnybrae Road before we head towards Mission Bay on Sunday? This will be my first ever Rally and im keen for some company. I'll probably be there at 7 am having a coffee and then ride out at 7.30am to Mission Bay. Txt me on 021-713863 if anyones keen. I would be excited to ride out in a group.

Daz

[GOONR]

Anybody keen to meet up at the Mobil Cnr Northcote and Sunnybrae Road before we head towards Mission Bay on Sunday? This will be my first ever Rally and im keen for some company. I'll probably be there at 7 am having a coffee and then ride out at 7.30am to Mission Bay. Txt me on 021-713863 if anyones keen. I would be excited to ride out in a group.

Daz

Could be a plan, I'm not far from there. I know there are quite a few other people on here that live on the shore, anyone else keen?

[Mom]

I think it is past time to really state clearly what the intention of this protest is. This is a PASSIVE protest. As the organiser I want to reiterate to everyone that we are going to Mission Bay for Brunch. The intention is to support the businesses in Mission Bay that could potentially be affected if we simply went there to blockade the parking. We are also going to demonstrate what will happen should we be taxed off the roads. We will be forced into cars, there is already too much congestion on the roads. Adding another 100,000 more cars to the roads is hardly going to help that.

We will no doubt have a few things to say as well, so there will be speeches. There will also be a lot of noise.

[k2w3]

And it's not at Browns Bay!

[MSTRS]

Not trying to intrude or anything. I don't know if you guys have designed a flyer - not read the whole thread.
I just thought that with the recent stuff I've managed to get into the media, that I must be doing something right. Therefore have a look at this (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129524490&postcount=25). Perhaps some of you can use it?

[CherryB]

Some great ideas on non-disruptive protest going round. We need to learn from truckers and not piss people off or they won't listen. And in this instance they will fight on our side - for their own interest - because they are getting screwed too - once they know that.

There is more than enough reason for the public to join us in our protest, on their own behalf.
IF we don't give them reason to just keep thinking about us, for good or ill.

Stop allowing us to be the decoy.

Point out that we have been, and that we are now looking at how it is affecting our (and their) car levies and work levies.

That we don't want our family silver built up just to be sold on/privatised. That ACC is making a profit and has plenty in the bank. That higher levies are NOT inevitable, they ARE unnecessary.

That treatment should continue to be available, and it is rorts that need to be cleaned up, not treatments withdrawn or made more inaccessible and complicated, increasing costs while reducing service.

The BIKOI 09 protest was probably the most peaceful large protest Parliament has ever seen. Zero accidents, zero arrests. Impressive for any gathering that size. People saying bullsh*t to a use of figures that would make 'lies, damn lies and statistics' blush was both understandable and I suspect more polite than your average response in a Parliamentary session.

As the media picked up, you cannot expect people who are informed to silently accept the Minister's selective use of accident figures - he was conveniently overlooking that the number of motorcycles has nearly doubled over ten years and the increase in total accidents is minimal, the decrease per vehicle substantial.

The Minister had that point discussed in the meeting and choose to again selectively just say from a particular year (a year when motorcycles were down to about their lowest level of use) accidents had increased - had he used a year in the 1970s or 1980s he could have said how impressed he was with the decrease in accidents instead!

More impressive, one must assume many of the nearly doubled number of motorcycles on the road are either less experienced or returning riders - if we increase training and education for ALL road users, including stopping the "I didn't see you (because I didn't look)" incidents that happen too often causing injury to motorcycles, bicyclists, pedestrians and other cars, we can decrease demands on our ACC system, and more importantly save people suffering trauma.


It is hard to convince those who look at the figures that ACC is unsustainable. Saying it does not make it so.

Yours and my car levies will have increased an average of about 50% a year over three years, plus whatever increase they settle on for my motorcycle.

Our work levies will increase hundreds of dollars a year, silently siphoned from our pay.

Why?

To add to the surplus ACC is taking in EVERY year - last year it took in $4.1b in levies and paid out only $3.1billion in claims and its own running costs. That's a billion dollars spare to bank. Would that you or I had that sort of problem!!

To add to the $11billion ACC has in the bank/investments. Do any of us agree with the guesstimates that say it is in deficit because of actuarial smoke and mirrors? Having 3x what you spend each year as reserves is a pretty solid position. Especially if you invest in injury prevention to reduce future costs.

Why would you need to build up the family silver in the bank, and come up with estimates that pretend to a deficit? Is it intended to sell the ACC silver at a discount?

Policy 101 - what impacts will these proposals have on other areas?

1. Preventing people from accessing effective treatment slows recovery and return as far as possible to productive, healthy lives (and often in the long term costs more for treatment). This costs people, and the economy.

2. How much does it cost (or save per year if you can delay the need for it) for roading measures to increase congestion? On this measure alone, the proposed ACC changes will cost the Government and taxpayer far more than they would take in.

3. This also doesn't allow for the likely effect that fewer vehicles will be registered - people with classic bikes will trailer them places rather than pay a year's levy to go to one or two collectors meets! People with more vehicles are likely to give up owning/registering many in disgust at paying such high costs when they can only be in or on one vehicle at a time.

I currently pay 2.5 times a car levy, as like the majority of motorcyclists I have a car and a motorcycle (many have more, but let's not confuse things here). Yet ACC have the gall to use my levy money to take out full page newspaper ads trying to say I'm not paying my way!!!

The ACC ad suggests that owners of bigger or expensive cars should start looking over their shoulder too... if we can pay more for ACC on a bigger bike because some of them cost that much to insure ($750 for a $15,000 motorcycle according to ACC) then what will they look to cars to pay in time?

We should:
- return ACC to "pay as you go" with a maximum of around three times annual operating costs in reserves as a buffer.
- ensure people can continue to access treatment to return to healthy and productive lives.
- clean up any rorts, but don't break the system and stop these enormous increases in our levies.
- classify and charge all private motor vehicles the same - motorcyclists typically pay at least twice anyway as almost all have cars and they can't use both vehicles at once!

[Tank]

Anybody keen to meet up at the Mobil Cnr Northcote and Sunnybrae Road before we head towards Mission Bay on Sunday? This will be my first ever Rally and im keen for some company. I'll probably be there at 7 am having a coffee and then ride out at 7.30am to Mission Bay. Txt me on 021-713863 if anyones keen. I would be excited to ride out in a group.

Daz

I know that there is already a small group leaving from the Caltex on Constellation Drive at 6.40am - you would be more than welcome to join them Im sure. (friendly bunch as well)

[Tank]

Anyone going in a car willing to pick me up to go to this protest, pweeaasse there will be something in it for ya. Chuck me a pm.

I have a GN250 you can borrow. :jerry:


edit - sorry couldn't resist - now back to the topic at hand.

[Debbie D]

I think the Wellington rallye was brilliant but I can't see how we will win any support by pissing Mission Bay users off. I don't see this as particularly productive nor as a means of advancing the cause. I don't live in Auckland so won't be attending, if I did I would likely show up in solidarity but I think this type of protest is still not going to do us any favors, and having the media there is likely to to publicize this thing negatively. Just sayin>>>>

[MSTRS]

I think the Wellington rallye was brilliant but I can't see how we will win any support by pissing Mission Bay users off. I don't see this as particularly productive nor as a means of advancing the cause. I don't live in Auckland so won't be attending, if I did I would likely show up in solidarity but I think this type of protest is still not going to do us any favors, and having the media there is likely to to publicize this thing negatively. Just sayin>>>>

Single post nay-sayers will always be suspected of being 5th columnists.
How many motorists were disadvantaged on Tuesday? And how many of them supported us? It is all about how the disadvantaging is portrayed.

[billybobo13]

I know that there is already a small group leaving from the Caltex on Constellation Drive at 6.40am - you would be more than welcome to join them Im sure. (friendly bunch as well)


might meet them there then

[Ixion]

I'm drawing some fine distinctions here, but I see a difference between the Mission bay thing and the Westfield one.

The Westfield demo has no purpose (as far as I know) other than to inconvenience the public.

The Mission bay demo ties into the "if bikes are forced off the road, it will affect you, the public".

I do suggest lots of signs explaining why bikes are taking up parking places instead of parking out the way as usual.

And the reality is that MB has plenty of parking, at worst the inconvenience will be that people will have to park further back and walk a way (which they might have had to do anyway).


The last BRONZ committee meeting discussed this at some length.

Essentially they decided to endorse activity where disruption was incidental to the purpose of the demonstration, but not where disruption was the actual purpose. f'instance we certainly disrupted Wellington traffic with the BIKEOI! - a traffic jam 25 kilometres long, but it was incidental to what we were doing, not the purpose of it.