Come election time...

[AlpinePossum]

...we'll need a handy dandy reference as to which Party's understand the issue and are on our side.

Let's accumulate links to statements by the various parties that get it right vs get it wrong.

Here are some Good Sense from the Green's...

http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/17/who%E2%80%99s-next-bikers-say-no-to-acc-levy-increases-and-privatisation/

No need to debate it... just link and remember when it comes to the vote.

[Flip]

Well somebody voted for National, was it you?

[Bren]

Well somebody voted for National, was it you?

Last election was the first time I have ever voted for National, and I can guarantee it will be the last time too!!!

[StoneY]

Vote for me next time....
I am seriously considering running...no piss take here either

[Trudes]

Vote for me next time....
I am seriously considering running...no piss take here either

I'll come be your Policy Researcher or something. I've surprised myself how much I've started to enjoy policy and politics since doing the endless numbers of papers on the subjects I've had to do at Uni. Can I have a park for my bike though please?:)

[Flip]

It seemed like a good idea at the time because folk had enough of Labour and the Greens.
Well fuck me with a beehive, we voted in a pro business conservative goverment whos only interest is fucking us over and giving our assets to their bloddy business mates. What the fuck were we thinking?
I would be the first to kick the crap out of Labour but they did do what they thought was right at the time. These buggers are only doing what they think is best for their business masters. How many more years of this until the next election?

[Conquiztador]

It seemed like a good idea at the time because folk had enough of Labour and the Greens.
Well fuck me with a beehive, we voted in a pro business conservative goverment whos only interest is fucking us over and giving our assets to their bloddy business mates. What the fuck were we thinking?
I would be the first to kick the crap out of Labour but they did do what they thought was right at the time. These buggers are only doing what they think is best for their business masters. How many more years of this until the next election?

A little over 2 years. The only thing that we can do until then is keep the heat on so they do not get to damage it all too much. And then next time; out they go!

[Slingshot]

Jesus...bikers are going to become like teachers and unionists!!


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[Trudes]

Jesus...bikers are going to become like teachers and unionists!!


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Gotta be better than God botherers though right?

[Flip]

I hope labour come out with somthing that says some thing like..... As soon as we are the goverment we will change back the new ACC law. Then none of Mr Keys mates will want to touch the ACC account with a 12' pole.
Thjinking about it... This is why it has to be in such a cashed up position so the cash can dissapear and we get left holding the liability for a ACC system with no cash, when Labour get back in.
Dont forget that National spent all our parents money that was in the super fund. National has done this kind of thing before.
I bet this goes on my SAS file.

[short-circuit]

I hope labour come out with somthing that says some thing like..... As soon as we are the goverment we will change back the new ACC law.

Goff did within a few days of the proposal

[StoneY]

Labour HAVE said that

Dint ya listen to Phil yesterday, and Rick?

BOTH agreed that Labour may not have managed ACC perfectly, but its a given they did better than Nat's have.
They BOTH said ACC would remain a no fault pay AS YOU GO system under Labour

Whatever anyone thought of the Red's with the cotton wool (largely to keep thier Green's onside) attitude, it sure beat being SOLD OUT

National have broken EVERY promise they campaigned on, EVRY FUCKIN ONE of them, and within 13 months of winning the vote

Took labour 9 years to get ya pissed off enough to vote blue.....
My entry speech is over, now wheres my seat on the backbench!!!!

[rustic101]

Well somebody voted for National, was it you?

I have always voted National I'll admit it.... While I believe what JK is trying to do (excluding the ACC debacle) is putting us as a Nation in good steed, I am becoming even more disappointed with some key (no pun intended) matters that are affecting the average bloody hard working Kiwi. - My problem is I'm in that group. I qualify for nothing but am expected to pay for everything. The nail in the coffin for me was that w@nker Nix Myth saying he only just found out about the ACC figures etc....

My reply to him is 'BULLSHIT'.

I have worked in Govt for 20 plus years and have and will always support and fight for the underdog, however life is not all about give give give and now I'm wanting to take a little ..

My rant, no doubt I'll get a bashing :spanking:for being a righty LOL

[Skyryder]

The Greens will vote with the Nats as their policy is to raise the ACC levies.


Skyryder

[Skyryder]

I have always voted National I'll admit it.... While I believe what JK is trying to do (excluding the ACC debacle) is putting us as a Nation in good steed, I am becoming even more disappointed with some key (no pun intended) matters that are affecting the average bloody hard working Kiwi. - My problem is I'm in that group. I qualify for nothing but am expected to pay for everything. The nail in the coffin for me was that w@nker Nix Myth saying he only just found out about the ACC figures etc....

My reply to him is 'BULLSHIT'.

I have worked in Govt for 20 plus years and have and will always support and fight for the underdog, however life is not all about give give give and now I'm wanting to take a little ..

My rant, no doubt I'll get a bashing :spanking:for being a righty LOL


I'll give you the bash...............with a bus ticket.:jerry::jerry:


Skyryder

[short-circuit]

My rant, no doubt I'll get a bashing :spanking:for being a righty LOL

I don't pick on the retarded...much

[short-circuit]

The Greens will vote with the Nats as their policy is to raise the ACC levies.


Skyryder

Bullshit - where have they stated this?

[StoneY]

Im serious here

I say, you vote for who you belive in
And that means if ya blue, your blue, Red, Green....and (ewwww YELLOW)

You vote on YOUR conscience
BUT next time you enter a polling booth, just remember ONE thing

The reason we BIKEOI'd to start with
Remember that....is all I ask

(and vote for me)

:lol:

[98tls]

I hope labour come out with somthing that says some thing like..... As soon as we are the goverment we will change back the new ACC law. My guess is you wont have to wait long.There all good at saying what they think we want to hear,soon as there in normal service is resumed.:confused:As for the greens etc,fuck em sooner MMP is gone the better.Greens,Act blah blah blah nothing more than a circus.

[Sidewinder]

Im serious here

I say, you vote for who you belive in
And that means if ya blue, your blue, Red, Green....and (ewwww YELLOW)

You vote on YOUR conscience
BUT next time you enter a polling booth, just remember ONE thing

The reason we BIKEOI'd to start with
Remember that....is all I ask

(and vote for me)

:lol:
yea i voted for bill and ben party because i knew they wouldnt get anywhere so my vote wouldnt be at fault, and if they did get in it would of just been funni lol

[short-circuit]

My guess is you wont have to wait long.There all good at saying what they think we want to hear,soon as there in normal service is resumed.:confused:As for the greens etc,fuck em sooner MMP is gone the better.Greens,Act blah blah blah nothing more than a circus.

Wait - don't tell me, you want First Past the Post? Why not just advocate for a dictatorship? I thought rightists were all about "competition"

[rustic101]

loud and clear on that one..

Isn't yellow something kinky...O no thats right its what you HIDE from everyone then ya look like a tool when they find out. go roders ya :tugger:

[Grahameeboy]

Do people really base their election choice on an issue like ACC

To me the Govt have shown that they do listen to NZ and after using the democratic right to protest they have accepted that the proposed ACC levies are to be dropped.

[Sidewinder]

Do people really base their election choice on an issue like ACC

um i so dont think anyone did

[rustic101]

I don't pick on the retarded...much

I ressemble that remark thank you very much and perfer to be called a fucktard thank you very much ;)

[Grahameeboy]

um i so dont think anyone did

I was talking future tense dear

[Slingshot]

BUT next time you enter a polling booth, just remember ONE thing

The reason we BIKEOI'd to start with
Remember that....is all I ask

:lol:


All I'm gonna remember come election time is that the National party gave me a reason to take a day off work, go for a ride and catch up with some old mates that I haven't seen for ages. The weather was good too.

[Flip]

Do people really base their election choice on an issue like ACC

To me the Govt have shown that they do listen to NZ and after using the democratic right to protest they have accepted that the proposed ACC levies are to be dropped.


I think the goverment want us all, not just us bikers to pay up front for all the risk for the next 10 years. At that stage they will sell the ACC account, risk, cash and all to private business. When Labour get back in, revoke the law, all the cash will be gone and the goverment will be left holding all the liability with no cash to pay it out. John and Nick get a board position on what ever company they like. Smells like a swindle to me. I don't like it.
We the people of NZ get buggered twice.

[98tls]

Wait - don't tell me, you want First Past the Post? Why not just advocate for a dictatorship? I thought rightists were all about "competition" Given the choice between 2 dictators or watching another 3 years of gangbang squad i will take the former ta.

[Grahameeboy]

I think the goverment want us all, not just us bikers to pay up front for all the risk for the next 10 years. At that stage they will sell the ACC account, risk, cash and all to private business. When Labour get back in, revoke the law, all the cash will be gone and the goverment will be left holding all the liability with no cash to pay it out. John and Nick get a board position on what ever company they like. Smells like a swindle to me.
We the people of NZ get buggered twice.

So you don't agree that paying for your future care is a good thing then...

So do you think that ACC being sold off is a bad thing then..what will change...it will still be regulated by the Govt as are all Insurance Companies...I have heard how ineffecient and costly ACC is to administer and maybe privatisation will be better...Workplace when it was in place for a year worked better...

John Key...he is already a self made millionaire.....

I thing that the people of NZ self inflict buggery sometimes

[StoneY]

The Greens will vote with the Nats as their policy is to raise the ACC levies.


Skyryder

Mate where ya get that from?
Greens been onside, was even before Labour!
Is you trolling me or what?

I think u mean Act? And the Maori Party (supply partner!)

[Flip]

So you don't agree that paying for your future care is a good thing then...

So do you think that ACC being sold off is a bad thing then..what will change...it will still be regulated by the Govt as are all Insurance Companies...I have heard how ineffecient and costly ACC is to administer and maybe privatisation will be better...Workplace when it was in place for a year worked better...

John Key...he is already a self made millionaire.....

I thing that the people of NZ self inflict buggery sometimes

In this case no, because I believe 'our' funds are to be used to under write the business liability associated with the relationship between private business and the NZ two party political system. If I actually thought the funds were going to be used to provide us "the great unwashed" with accident compensation my reply would be different. In this case I do not.

No I do not believe that the private insurance ACC workplace account provided any signifigant benefit to the people of NZ. One year was not enough time for any number of reasons. It did allow a few larger companies to negotiate a lower ACC rate, but most NZ companies have less than 20 people and don't have the resources to this easily. It probably helped a few big companies minimise their insutance liabilities, but with only one year did the insurers understand the liabilities they were getting into.

The post 911 insurance risk model is a completely diferent beast than it was a decade ago. The insurance companies have to show a profit. I can not comment on ACCs ineffecientcies, its all hear say, smoke and mirrors. I do however know that ACC only works for us we are the shareholders. I am a lot more happy with this situation than the other.

All I see here is what happened with NZ Rail all over again. Sell a business cheap, strip the assets, wait and sell it back to the goverment at a major profit. Its business, its what business does, it makes profit. I like the ACC system the way it is. I do not believe it needs fixing. Anyway ask your parents what happened to the original super money the national goverment had in 'safe' keeping.

If we allow the govt will sell the ACC system, business will strip the guts from it and the goverment will have to buy it back.

[short-circuit]

Mate where ya get that from?


Out his arse. The Greens have been unreservedly supportive from the start - in fact suggesting that we bikers should be getting a better deal than we currently are

[Flip]

Out his arse. The Greens have been unreservedly supportive from the start - in fact suggesting that we bikers should be getting a better deal than we currently are

I actually voted green a couple of times, call me a hippy. I liked what the local green candatate said and the way he went about his business. Its a pitty he died.

[98tls]

I actually voted green a couple of times, call me a hippy. I liked what the local green candatate said and the way he went about his business. Its a pitty he died. Tree fall over?

[Flip]

Tree fall over?

Ok so I don't agree with many of their policies. But I did like Rod Donald. It was a vote for the man not the party.

I can work with MMP.

[98tls]

Ok so I don't agree with many of their policies. But I did like Rod Donald. It was a vote for the man not the party. :doh:Fair call mate indeed.Had him confused with someone else and was going to add his legacy lives on.

[Flip]

Suckling the fat cow?

[FastBikeGear]

I hope labour come out with somthing that says some thing like..... As soon as we are the goverment we will change back the new ACC law. Then none of Mr Keys mates will want to touch the ACC account with a 12' pole.


I asked Phil Goff on the steps of the Auckland Museum if Labour would roll back the increased ACC levies on motorcylists if they get back in.

He said yes in front of the cameras.

So now it is on record.

[gammaguy]

...we'll need a handy dandy reference as to which Party's understand the issue and are on our side.

Let's accumulate links to statements by the various parties that get it right vs get it wrong.

Here are some Good Sense from the Green's...

http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/17/who%E2%80%99s-next-bikers-say-no-to-acc-levy-increases-and-privatisation/

No need to debate it... just link and remember when it comes to the vote.

and now maybe-just maybe-those who voted in national because they were bored or Helen wasnt as hot as she should have been or simply because Mr Key was a nice guy are all feeling a bit stupid.......LEOPARDS DONT CHANGE THEIR SPOTS NO MATTER WHAT SUITS THEY ARE WEARING

[MacD]

Do people really base their election choice on an issue like ACC

To me the Govt have shown that they do listen to NZ and after using the democratic right to protest they have accepted that the proposed ACC levies are to be dropped.

Oh for goodness sake, you're not really that naive are you!?

[Flip]

I asked Phil Goff on the steps of the Auckland Museum if Labour would roll back that ACC levies on motorcylists if tehy get back in.

He said yes in front of the cameras.

So now it is on record.

Taxes go on very easily but seldom if ever come off.

[MacD]

.I have heard how ineffecient and costly ACC is to administer and maybe privatisation will be better...Workplace when it was in place for a year worked better...


Please read the PriceWaterhouseCoopers 2008 (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=148190&d=1256240963) report into ACC, then tell me that ACC is less cost efficient than equivalent private systems.

When the Workplace account was privatised some larger businesses saw decreased premiums, however many smaller businesses found their costs increased, and nearly all self-employed people stayed with ACC.

[Flip]

and now maybe-just maybe-those who voted in national because they were bored or Helen wasnt as hot as she should have been or simply because Mr Key was a nice guy are all feeling a bit stupid.......LEOPARDS DONT CHANGE THEIR SPOTS NO MATTER WHAT SUITS THEY ARE WEARING

For me it was that bloddy anti smacking bill. The labour govt pushed it through, without listening to the will of the people, and we voted them out. Its how the system works.

[StoneY]

I asked Phil Goff on the steps of the Auckland Museum if Labour would roll back the increased ACC levies on motorcylists if they get back in.

He said yes in front of the cameras.

So now it is on record.

He promised me exactly the same in front of no less than 4 KBers I had made 'officials'
We had a good crew on stage, my mate Byron worked on the background so 'no surprise' unlike I hit the Nat's with on the HB MP that had not delivered his message.
HILARIOUS!

Seriously, Phil Goff has sworn to me face to face he will preserve ACC as it WAS not as it IS!
Its a godamn NZ treasure, a right and privellege NO other nation on earth has as well managed, and we need to fight tooth and fuckin nail to save it

Yes, we WILL vote against a sitting government over ACC issues!

[Flip]

He promised me exactly the same in front of no less than 4 KBers I had made 'officials'
We had a good crew on stage, my mate Byron worked on the background so 'no surprise' unlike I hit the Nat's with on the HB MP that had not delivered his message.
HILARIOUS!

Seriously, Phil Goff has sworn to me face to face he will preserve ACC as it WAS not as it IS!
Its a godamn NZ treasure, a right and privellege NO other nation on earth has as well managed, and we need to fight tooth and fuckin nail to save it

Yes, we WILL vote against a sitting government over ACC issues!

It is for me too. Deep deep deep down I am quite socialist, everybody contributes some thing and everybody benefits.

[98tls]

and now maybe-just maybe-those who voted in national because they were bored or Helen wasnt as hot as she should have been or simply because Mr Key was a nice guy are all feeling a bit stupid.......LEOPARDS DONT CHANGE THEIR SPOTS NO MATTER WHAT SUITS THEY ARE WEARING Na was the "lets make it easier for lazy sacks of shite to do nothing but raise more lazy sacks of shite".Hot?Phar Lap was hot compared to Helen.

[gammaguy]

Na was the "lets make it easier for lazy sacks of shite to do nothing but raise more lazy sacks of shite".Hot?Phar Lap was hot compared to Helen.
the lazy sacks of shit will stay where they are -no where.but meanwhile those that are unfortunate enough to be working will continue to pay dearly for them,and our day in the sun on our motorcycles(thru ACC levies)while we are at it.

its called user pays LMAO its not us who are the "users"its the lazy bastards not working.

Until working for a living in this country becomes a badge of honour instead of a target painted on our backs things wont get any better and the cream wont rise to the top-it will just go somewhere else.

its simple math,we need to change the equations to get different results.

[Pedrostt500]

I have my SYNIC 'O' METRE switched on when any political party says its going to do any thing good for me, Ive seen to many say they are or arn't going to do some thing and then with in a few months just doing what ever they want, the introduction of GST was the Classic.
We should bring in a law like the States that a Prime Minister can only stand for two terms, Prime Ministers that stand for three or more terms tend to just burn out, and the nation gets sick of them.
As far as the Bikeoi goes we have just had a skirmish, there are some dirty battles on the horizon yet to be fought.

[98tls]

the lazy sacks of shit will stay where they are -no where.but meanwhile those that are unfortunate enough to be working will continue to pay dearly for them,and our day in the sun on our motorcycles(thru ACC levies)while we are at it.

its called user pays LMAO its not us who are the "users"its the lazy bastards not working.

Until working for a living in this country becomes a badge of honour instead of a target painted on our backs things wont get any better and the cream wont rise to the top-it will just go somewhere else.

its simple math,we need to change the equations to get different results.

Whilst i chuckle theres a sense of agreement in the sentiment.Thing i find most amusing is the huge "to do" over the rego increase (yea yea its a bike forum..well sort of) but fact is working people in this country have been arse raped by "lazy bastards and vote seeking politicians" for decades in this country.Whilst the "to do" may result in lower rego no doubt the arse raping will continue by said lazy bastards and vote seeking politicians.Hence the need for victim funding the shortfall.

[StoneY]

Ok, I give Labour one credit that no other party can have
I got an interest free shot at Polytech and University, and since paid it back.

They took away bursary as I was just ready to sit the exams

So the Nat govt, Jim Boigers, wanted me to mortgage my soul to go to school?
Nah, I just went and became a happy/unhappy/restless tradesman.

But had student loans been interest free when I was 16....who knows?

Now I work in IT, had vast experience as a public Servant and Union Delegate, among other life experience like the rest of you bikers

Ive never ever done well under National.
I have always lived and prospered under Labour, and I am NO ONES fuckin bludger, I work!

Rant done

[AlpinePossum]

The Greens will vote with the Nats as their policy is to raise the ACC levies.


I'd like to collect links to formal statements /actions on the subject of ACC and/or Bikers by the various Political Parties.

So at election time we can reward them appropriately.

So can you please post links to the parties actual statements.

I'm not saying you are lying, I just like to be able to read the statements "Out of the Horses Mouth" so I can judge their merit (or lack thereof) for myself.

Here is another pro-biker post...
http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/12/gutting-acc-join-the-fightback/

For example.. here they are opposing cutbacks in payments to homecare workers since it would place them _below_ the minimum wage.

http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/10/acc-cuts-put-home-care-workers-below-minimum-wage/

http://blog.greens.org.nz/2009/11/09/spinning-it-on-acc-levies/

[Grahameeboy]

Oh for goodness sake, you're not really that naive are you!?

I was so expecting an original response..................

[Mudfart]

Ive come across many people who have said they voted national simply because labour had been in too long. Do these people really deserve a vote?
Do they not realise that when the major party changes that huge backwards steps are taken? For example: the names of government departments must be changed, and new logos designed at massive expense to taxpayers?
LTSA must be renamed to LTA (purely for example, I cant keep up with the new names), at a cost of 2.5million dollars and we get a free new logo chucked in, drawn by a class of kindergarteners.
WINZ must be rebranded to God knows what etc etc, and to acheive what? They still provide the same service, it just costs us wage slaves a fortune to induct the new ruling govt.
What a bloody waste of time and money. Look how they try to remove all the heads of each department. It cost a lot to try and remove Barry Matthews from his post as head of Dept of Corrections. Why did he have to go? Coz he was labour appointed. Lol, it has nothing to do with someones actual abilities.
God forbid, our countries appointments were headed by actually CAPABLE people. AHAHAHAHA, I think I'll go to university, study economics, and then bleed taxpayers dry by working in politics.
If a head of portfolio is found accountable for a mistake, they get swapped with another ministerial portfolio, eg/ Lockwood Smith (now honourable speaker of house), held portfolio for minister of department of conservation. Cave creek tradgedy, minister of conservation takes accountability for inefficient construction of platform, swaps portfolio with minister of education.
In same election term, new crisis with student loans, new minister of education found accountable ( same person Lockwood Smith), swaps portfolio with minister of police!!! Lol, three portfolios.
When these mp's take responsiblity, they really need to accept it, and GTFO of parliament. Thats it, your disgraced, GTFO. I think we may need someone who is competent, to help run the country. A degree in economics does not qualify you to lead the people, respect, wisdom and capability should mean something.
You are elected BY THE PEOPLE, its an honour to represent the many, I think that a lot are in govt only for personal gains, wealth and power.
GOD HELP US ALL IF THE LIKES OF KING BRIAN GET A FOOTHOLD IN POLITICAL POWER.

[st00ji]

fuck if brian tamaki got his hands on a seat in a government i would be leaving the country

[Mudfart]

well destiny are trying really hard in local elections....

[ready4whatever]

come next election i say both labour and national can get fuct. vote for one of the small guys next time. i think some of them actually do care about nz and not themselves. national and labour are always at eachothers throats, they wont agree with eachother even when they should in the best interest of nz

[Mudfart]

yeah I think whoever I vote for, is going to have concern for the environment.
All this talk of carbon footprints, ecological catastrophies etc... and all govts are still doing nothing.
I personally think your rego tax ergo your carbon footprint tax, acc levy etc.... should be based on the size and quality of your engine. For eg/ a v6, v8 or v12 driver should pay more than someone with a 1 ltr petrol engine, after all both road users only want to get from A to B. And a big engine diesel driver should pay a fair wack for their larger carbon footprint.
But anyway Im sure all this has been discussed.
Also, a person I know was selling illegal drugs for money that they had to pay to destiny church. I wonder what Brian Tamaki thought of that? I dont think he cares where money comes from that people give him.....