What result do you want?

[FROSTY]

hey folks theres a whole bunch of us protesting about this ACC hike thing. Dunno if the question has been asked as a poll yet. What result DO we want as a group.

[sunhuntin]

would be happy for the cost of regos to stay as they are. but if an increase MUST be done, then no more than $100, reguardless of type or cc size of bike.

[bogan]

something like this? (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=112395&highlight=dust+settles) I want the levy increase completely abolished, and will take part in any action to go one step furthur and get parity with other road users.

[AD345]

No changes to levy levels

NONE

A Royal Commission into ACC and its future and/or cross party statement for all the pollies to keep their fucking mitts off ACC now and forever amen

[el_scor_cho]

a more even spread amoung each group who is involved in claiming.
although it would be difficult to enforce, somehow involve those who are not, eg cyclists and boats etc.
agree with above that cc size should not matter and a much lower hike is needed

[FROSTY]

I must say my vote goes to scrapping the ACC levvies altogether and having a fuel tax. I feel that would be a lot fairer.Just my opinion mind you

[CookMySock]

I'd be a little cautions stating "what we want" because they might just say "ok" and give it to us.

Basically, we are haggling for the best deal we can get, and we might do a lot better than we think.

Steve

[riffer]

I must say my vote goes to scrapping the ACC levvies altogether and having a fuel tax. I feel that would be a lot fairer.Just my opinion mind you

You're talking my language mate. That's EXACTLY what I want. I'm okay with the earner levy staying but I think fuel tax is the only equitable way for motor vehicle users to support the motor vehicle fund.

[Pixie]

Take ACC back to it's original concept

[bogan]

I must say my vote goes to scrapping the ACC levvies altogether and having a fuel tax. I feel that would be a lot fairer.Just my opinion mind you

the problem (i see) with a fuel tax, is bikes use less fuel, so it would still create a division in levies generated from different road user groups, the should be only one acc levy amount, a road user charge, charged to every licensed person. Everyone pays an equal amount, regardless of risk, number of vehicles, and (most importantly) fault.

[Sidewinder]

WERE was the who cares option?

[StoneY]

It had been Polled already Frosty but not as well as RIGHT AFTER SPANKING Nicky boy

Good poll, I voted, and I meant it

Peace bro

[Taserdar]

Id prefer to see very low levies on everything car , truck , bike , camel , goat what ever you think they might levi us for.

In saying that a levi on fuel is going to be a primary $$$ but also I think a levi as part of the drivers lience system would balance there argument on what if someone else operates said machine. This would cover people who choose to operate what ever lience class they hold and help to keep the Fuel Levi a bit lower how ever every class would have to carry a levi on it scaled down with more classes showing a longer education in road saftey as each class of lience is acheived in diffrent tests and trail periods.

When someone has an accident without holding a Lience class for it of any level they should be prosicuted as the law currently operates anyway.
Prolly sounds kinda rough but were are still trying to save lives and injury as well as save our pockets somehow.

[slofox]

I dunno about anyone else, but what I want is ACC to be left in its original form to fulfill its original intentions - no fault principle intact. I do NOT want it to become a privatized insurance scheme. I do NOT want it to be forward funded either since this is in contravention of the original principles as well.

If, to achieve this, levies must increase, then they must be increased across the board, so that we all pay equally.

Having individual groups pay extra for this that or the other reason is pure bullshit.

IMO.

[StoneY]

Having individual groups pay extra for this that or the other reason is pure bullshit.

IMO.

Yours and 9,500 others brother
They said it good and loud yesterday

[James Deuce]

I must say my vote goes to scrapping the ACC levvies altogether and having a fuel tax. I feel that would be a lot fairer.Just my opinion mind you

Hugely inflationary move. With the current goal of making ACC fully funded by 2012 you're looking at a lot more than a few cents a litre, more like a dollar a litre and it won't come off once the goal is reached.

Bread will go up, milk will go up, the cost of a school trip (the few left that they're allowed to go on) will go up, every item in NZ will go up in price. Everything is moved by road.

If I use the bike for transport every day and have one weekend ride a fortnight (extravagant and unlikely, but we can dream) I use around 50 litres a fortnight. At anywhere between 50c and $1 a litre increase is an extra $25-$50 per fortnight on top of the $30-$40 I spend now.

I don't think a fuel levy will be fair or equitable and NZ's economy is really quite literally as bad as it can be without falling off the OECD charts. We're facing a huge bill for carbon tax thanks to the whining of some under-educated, over-vocal upper middle class bicycle riding loonies and our balance of payments shoul dmake every Kiwi involuntarily stiffen with fright and fall over every time you think about it. Placing fuel out of the reach of the average Kiwi will simply hasten the slide into third world status.

[duckonin]

WTF we already have a fuel tax(ACC), plus pay per Hundred dollars earnt(ACC), plus in our registration(ACC) the way you are all trying to come up with ideas for these pricks to keep taking money off us bewilders me, and DB is right you come up with the plan and they do it to keep you all happy.Then you will all start moaning again:soon:.

FM may as well be like the JW's who pay a big percentage of their earnings into the church, we may as well give ours straight to ACC..:doh:

Fucken Govt's will cheat you out of your last penny (cent) to spend it on themselves...Why offer it to them ????

[rustic101]

an additional (in cents) would also help to reduce the overall costs. In particular it would capture anyone that uses a weed eater, lawn mower, jet ski, jet boat, petrol powered push bike etc..IMHO

[Wasp27]

I must say my vote goes to scrapping the ACC levvies altogether and having a fuel tax. I feel that would be a lot fairer.Just my opinion mind you
Good Point.....
KiwiBiker is usually a wealth of information when it comes to stats..... who knows what our daily consumption of fuel is i.e. Petrol, Diesel and LPG.
But by coming up with alternative ways of taxing us..... isn't that an acknowledgment that ACC is actually in the hole. I do agree that a tax on fuel is a much fairer way... but only as far as motoring is concerned. How are we going to tax the other big beneficiaries of ACC...like Equestrian, MotoX, Trail Biking, All forms of MotorSport, Snowboarding, Alpine Skiing, Hunting. Tramping, Cycling. Rugby, Soccer, Basketball, Hockey and not forgetting those poor unfortunate tourists/seasonal workers who can come over here without any travel insurance ( they dont need one down here cause we got ACC) break a leg skiing etc and get world class medical treatment without contributing a cent .... these are just some of the big leaks in ACC. We've all heard stories of big ACC rip offs..... not so bloody funny when we're paying for it:no:
just my 2c

[izzyc]

I would be happy for a fuel increase, as then what ever you do you will be paying you levies in the fuel, examples being ...fishing, mowing the lawns, driving to a rugby game, driving to the beach,ski fields etc etc this way it is a user pays system and not one that singles out individual groups of people...hey i dont play rugby or ski or ride a push bike so why should my levies cover the people who chose to do those interests, just like why should their levies cover me just cause i want to ride my bike....user pays.....

[Kiwi Graham]

If the only revenue gathering point was fuel you would be looking at a massive price hike. dont forget ACC levys are applied to many and varied buisnesses, organisations and the like not just registred vehicles.

The ACC system is a good one, it aint broke so why try fixing it?
I voted no increase we are already targeted

[FROSTY]

the problem (i see) with a fuel tax, is bikes use less fuel, so it would still create a division in levies generated from different road user groups, the should be only one acc levy amount, a road user charge, charged to every licensed person. Everyone pays an equal amount, regardless of risk, number of vehicles, and (most importantly) fault.
Bogan-again from my personal POV--so what??
By having a FUEL tax you in one swoop sort out a bunch of issues
1) It fits with the gubbinment"plan " to reduce emmissions or at least apears to-basicly those using gas guzzlers get hit hardest.
2) it in one swoop gathers in a bunch of people who don't currently pay ACC yep rep the benifits.
3)it actually IS user pays.If you dont ride your bike/drive your car/drive your boat you wont use fuel so wont pay tax.

[davereid]

..... who knows what our daily consumption of fuel is i.e. Petrol, Diesel and LPG.

I don't know what it is today, as the MOE don't publish the figures anymore.

But it was 3000 million litres of petrol per year in 2000.

11.5c litre required to meet vehicle account requirements.

Unfortunately GOVT cant tap this.. it needs to tax petrol later so we can send the money to Russia as penance for growing food.

[FROSTY]

hmm 70 odd responses

[MSTRS]

We've fine tuned what we want since you started this thread.
Now we want complete parity with the rest of the motoring fleet. We want ACC to return to it's founding principles. We want this govt to back the fuck away from any plans to privatise. And we want the public of NZ to know that we are fighting on their behalf, because otherwise They Are Next.

[avgas]

If, to achieve this, levies must increase, then they must be increased across the board, so that we all pay equally.
Bullshit.
ACC just covers health. My private health insurance both here and the one I had in Aussie were well under the $$$$'s proposed by ACC for me next year.

Fact of the matter is that people are ripping off ACC's relaxed system, so $$$$$'s are going to them so they can watch TV all day rather than work.

Even a health insurance company with fat cats at the top will not rip us off as badly as ACC is.

[Ixion]

No ACC also provides income replacement (ie ERC). Health insurance doesn't ( or at most very limited) . Though of course health insurance will cover you for sickness as well as injury.

Reality is they are two totally different things

[Tubbsy]

Out of curiosity, anyone know if any of our spokespersons pointed out to 'the man' that the majority of Bikers also own and pay rego on cars? Their big argument is that car owners are subsidising us...well...we are also the car owners. Effectively we pay more ACC levies already anyway than the other groups don't we?

So many threads it may have been discussed already.

[Ixion]

Yep, that points been extensively made. Actually sparked a fairly lengthy discussion with Mr Joyce at the Wellington meeting .

[Tubbsy]

Ok, good one. Thought it may have been.....but just in case it hadn't. :woohoo:

[LBD]

No increases for any specific group in NZ...MC or otherwise.

Its a no fault system irrespective of who you are or what you do.

[Timoshae]

I come from south africa, We pay a fuel Levi wich is great as the more you ride the more you pay. It's imporant to have some kind of funding if some tosser bashes you. Why should we pay more, charge the cars more they take up more space and cause most bike accidents!!!!!::rockon:

[Pixie]

I come from south africa, We pay a fuel Levi wich is great as the more you ride the more you pay. It's imporant to have some kind of funding if some tosser bashes you. Why should we pay more, charge the cars more they take up more space and cause most bike accidents!!!!!::rockon:

This is the best option.....unless you are a govt. preparing ACC to be sold off.

[avgas]

No ACC also provides income replacement (ie ERC). Health insurance doesn't ( or at most very limited) . Though of course health insurance will cover you for sickness as well as injury.
Reality is they are two totally different things
Note: Income insurance and Health insurance is still cheaper than having 2 bikes and a car in NZ.
Talk to the private insurers if you don't believe me.

Also I get a lump sum payment if my health means I have to stop work. Where as ACC just drip feeds (to an indefinite period!) if I can't work. We have unemployment benefit for that kind of stuff.

Also if your really smart - you can claim back you Kiwisaver in times of hardship.

[GerryAttrick]

So far I see most want things to stay as they are but I think they are missing the point. If ACC levies are based on fuel usage the large proportion of the fees will fall on cars which are more thirsty and so use more petrol. Bikes on the otherhand will pay a lot less.

It also means that those dip$hit$ who don't register their cars and bikes will pay their fair share rather than bludging off the rest of us.

[Swoop]

Where's the option for "Single (transferable) ACC levy"?
Something that pays for any accident coverage but can be moved from vehicle to vehicle. (cars + bikes).