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Shaun

19th November 2009, 06:01

The front looked like it was (excuse terminology) under damped (ie. overshot then had to come back down).

Is there a correct way to statically test compresison and rebound damping?

well spotted, also his arithmatic does not add up, and std is that soft any way, that to set the front ( Especially) to the numbers he suggests, would have the thing turning in that quick, with No travel left, or not a lot any way.

Messuring a tech messurement from the centre of the axle, ( with out a centre tool/point) that is also very hit and miss, could be as much as 2-4 mm wrong!

Is there a correct way to statically test compresison and rebound damping?

Tech NO, but people with TRUE experience, can have a feel, and have a very very good opinion of what it is like, The best way to do what you have asked, is have your shock put on a shock Dyno to map what the comp and reb does Via the graph that gets printed out

OR hire me to test ride it for you!

Robert Taylor

19th November 2009, 07:32

http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=38697

Rob, do the maths with him, Ha Ha! and now listen to the sag he suggests is good for this bike with standard suspension in it, O I love the USA way of doing things

That bike is going to stand up mid corner in transition. And using the top of the rear axle as a reference point?!!!!! Every time you adjust the axle its a new set of numbers. No allowance for rear subframe and tail section flex....
And this is the same guy that is a doubter of top out springs, probably because its too much work to change them....

sidecar bob

19th November 2009, 08:41

And this is the same guy that is a doubter of top out springs, probably because its too much work to change them....

Na, its a piece of piss. Jay Lawrence showed me the awesome cable tie & dog leash arrangement he has on the old BMW & how simple it was just to yank the cable ties a bit more, he even offered to build me one, but i didnt want the dog running away.
Hard to argue with a guy that was getting an aincent BMW around Manfield as fast as Stroudy was on a brand new FZR1000 back in the day.

davebullet

19th November 2009, 18:59

OR hire me to test ride it for you!

On an SV650 with stock suspension? I wouldn't want you to risk your life :laugh:

Shaun

19th November 2009, 19:27

On an SV650 with stock suspension? I wouldn't want you to risk your life :laugh:

Ha ha indeed, but the odd crash does help you go faster if you really want too

gixerracer

19th November 2009, 20:22

Shaun

20th November 2009, 14:12

well i have never claimed to be an expert but that guy is a F---n retard

I have been email talking with him over the last 2 days Craig, he actually comes across as a really nice guy. Different strokes for different folks I guess eh mate

Now get your hand of it

sidecar bob

22nd November 2009, 14:01

Messuring a tech messurement from the centre of the axle, ( with out a centre tool/point) that is also very hit and miss, could be as much as 2-4 mm wrong!

I know bugger all about suspension, i know what feels safe & good to me & know how to make my bikes feel that way.

Ive been pondering this for a couple of days & i really need to ask these questions.
Is Ohlins suspension, or any brand for that matter, so finicky that 2mm (thats less than half the height of the words you are reading) makes all the difference between awesome & shyte? can the average, or above average rider tell the difference? & if so, must the suspension be ajusted before & after the rider takes a shit? (it would need to be if 2mm is relevant) Does the "perfect measurement" work for all bikes & all riders for all surfaces & tyre combos? and if these magic measurements are gospel, who decided they work best & why?
Does this mean that all bikes must be set up the same to a tolerence of far less than 4mm or otherwise the racer will be compromised?
All serious questions i would appreciate answers to.

Ragingrob

22nd November 2009, 14:04

Hey Shaun/Robert do you have any idea when you're next appearance up Auckland way for a suspension set-up day would be? I'm so keen to get mine checked... Don't really wanna trust anything online and try it myself eh...

Nonbeliever

22nd November 2009, 15:39

His first mistake is having the bike sitting in that wheel chock.(which is elevating the front end over the rear therefore affecting weight distribution).

Shaun

22nd November 2009, 16:51

I know bugger all about suspension, i know what feels safe & good to me & know how to make my bikes feel that way.

Ive been pondering this for a couple of days & i really need to ask these questions.
Is Ohlins suspension, or any brand for that matter, so finicky that 2mm (thats less than half the height of the words you are reading) makes all the difference between awesome & shyte?

1) NO mate, but detail is important to the mind set of a rider to go very fast

can the average, or above average rider tell the difference? & if so, must the suspension be ajusted before & after the rider takes a shit? (it would need to be if 2mm is relevant)

2) Depends if it was a solid or a Beer squirt (NO MATE)

Does the "perfect measurement" work for all bikes & all riders for all surfaces & tyre combos? and if these magic measurements are gospel, who decided they work best & why?

3) Again ( NO MATE) They are used as a tool for a starting point, then adjusted to suit the machine, tyres, rider, etc, having said that, manufactures of any thing, always believe they know best!

Does this mean that all bikes must be set up the same to a tolerence of far less than 4mm or otherwise the racer will be compromised?

4) You know the awnser AGAIN

All serious questions i would appreciate answers to.

What are doing pretending to read and think again

Shaun

22nd November 2009, 16:53

PeeJay

22nd November 2009, 17:00

His first mistake is having the bike sitting in that wheel chock.(which is elevating the front end over the rear therefore affecting weight distribution).
He's not as stupid as he looks. By facing the bike to the right the gravitional offset between the front and rear wheel is negated by the earths rotation

Shaun

22nd November 2009, 18:43

He's not as stupid as he looks. By facing the bike to the right the gravitional offset between the front and rear wheel is negated by the earths rotation

Ta for the laugh:banana:

Shaun

22nd November 2009, 18:52

He's not as stupid as he looks. By facing the bike to the right the gravitional offset between the front and rear wheel is negated by the earths rotation

Ta for the laugh:banana:

Yankee Doodle Dandy

2nd December 2009, 01:05

You watch a few videos from Speed Channel and now you want to come over here and take country over?

http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?t=235673

Robert Taylor

2nd December 2009, 07:50

You watch a few videos from Speed Channel and now you want to come over here and take country over?

http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?t=235673

Someone needs to! Bollocks Obama is the worst US President since that peanut farmer guy!!!!

Hinny

2nd December 2009, 10:16

Someone needs to! Bollocks Obama is the worst US President since that peanut farmer guy!!!!

Jimmy Carter is the only President in their history to have not sent troops into armed conflict in a foreign country and so that makes him the 'Best President in their History.' :third:
The world became a lot safer place when he and his lot ran the place.
Of note he was a Nobel peace prize winner as well.
Difference was: he deserved his.

As usual your ultra right wing views are totally at odds with reality.
Next you will be trying to defend the George Bushs (snr and jnr) and the govt. we have here.

The problem with your style of thinking epitomises the classic 'those who don't learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them.'

Yankee Doodle Dandy

2nd December 2009, 10:21

Someone needs to! Bollocks Obama is the worst US President since that peanut farmer guy!!!!
Don't even get me started on that topic.

Robert Taylor

2nd December 2009, 10:58

Jimmy Carter is the only President in their history to have not sent troops into armed conflict in a foreign country and so that makes him the 'Best President in their History.' :third:
The world became a lot safer place when he and his lot ran the place.
Of note he was a Nobel peace prize winner as well.
Difference was: he deserved his.

As usual your ultra right wing views are totally at odds with reality.
Next you will be trying to defend the George Bushs (snr and jnr) and the govt. we have here.

The problem with your style of thinking epitomises the classic 'those who don't learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them.'

How about the failed rescue attempt in Iran?

No the post was tongue in cheek and was just a fun ''hand grenade.'' There are certain things about Obama that I like and dislike. Im not as right wing as you think and have a sense of fairplay for everybody that would put many a self serving left wing ( and right wing ) politician to shame. The difference is like many of a right leaning persuasion I believe in a handup rather than vote buying handouts.

Back to the relevance of the thread Dave Moss is clearly doing a good job, I just disagree with him about top out springs which on the face of it appear to be in ''the hard pile''. Id like to meet the guy and chew the fat with him.

Yankee Doodle Dandy

2nd December 2009, 13:04

Hinny

2nd December 2009, 15:20

What a surprise, another non-American that is an expert about what is wrong with America.

I am as much an American as Tipene O'Reagan is a Maori.

"...our old people..." blah, blah.

Stop watching Fox news.

Robert Taylor

2nd December 2009, 16:05

I am as much an American as Tipene O'Reagan is a Maori.

"...our old people..." blah, blah.

Stop watching Fox news.

Well I for one am glad that the Americans were around to help protect our shores after Dec 7 1941. Thank god the Battle of Midway was won by the Americans.

nadroj

2nd December 2009, 17:51

What a surprise, another non-American that is an expert about what is wrong with America.

Sometimes it's easier to see from the outside!

Some of us are more balanced....We dribble out both sides of our mouths at the same time.

Hinny

3rd December 2009, 00:14

Well I for one am glad that the Americans were around to help protect our shores after Dec 7 1941. Thank god the Battle of Midway was won by the Americans.

Protect us from the Asian invasion.
Who is going to protect us now?

Robert Taylor

3rd December 2009, 07:08

Protect us from the Asian invasion.
Who is going to protect us now?

Especially after the previous ''Government'' disestablished our Air Strike Force, showing to the Asian world that we dont have any intent on even a token gesture to protect our huge coastal reserves. ''Walk in guys, its all yours"' Helen Clark should burn in hell in perpetuity and Im going to be there to help stoke the fire.

Warts and all I am grateful that the US protected our security during WW2.

Back to the core subject a good friend of mine has been corresponding with US based Dave Moss. Dave is not afraid to disclose who he is and sounds like a real nice and GENUINE person

. I have asked ''Yankee Doodle Dandy'' at least a couple of times where he is from etc but aside from trying to milk knowledge out of me my requests have been ignored. Who is this guy, what is his agenda? Is it a setup from someone that corresponds / deals with him from NZ?

warewolf

3rd December 2009, 08:48

What a surprise, another non-American that is an expert about what is wrong with America.Can't be any worse than the Americans, huh?

Besides, why can't someone who interacts with something (say America) have a valid opinion on what is wrong with that interaction?

Yankee Doodle Dandy

3rd December 2009, 09:47

I have asked ''Yankee Doodle Dandy'' at least a couple of times where he is from etc but aside from trying to milk knowledge out of me my requests have been ignored. Who is this guy, what is his agenda? Is it a setup from someone that corresponds / deals with him from NZ?
You are full of shite.

We exchanged emails about some work. I tried to put some money in your pocket in return for the knowledge you shared with me and you gave me the high hat after I told you who I was including signing my email with my full name, address, and phone number.

I figured you did not want to business so I said whatever. Since then I have not asked you anything either publicly or privately. Then you posted some BS aimed at me in another thread and I just laughed it off and figured whatever. Now you post this. If you had something to say then you should have stepped up by replying to my email.

If anyone wants to know my pedigree then shoot me a PM with your email and I will respond.

Yankee Doodle Dandy

3rd December 2009, 09:51

Can't be any worse than the Americans, huh?

Besides, why can't someone who interacts with something (say America) have a valid opinion on what is wrong with that interaction?
Because a lot of Americans are sick of hearing what is wrong with America or what America needs to do from people that came from world's biggest cesspools.

White trash

3rd December 2009, 10:00

Because a lot of Americans are sick of hearing what is wrong with America or what America needs to do from people that came from world's biggest cesspools.
What, like New Zealanders?

Yankee Doodle Dandy

3rd December 2009, 11:07

What, like New Zealanders?
Absolutely not. I would love to travel to New Zealand.

warewolf

3rd December 2009, 11:09

Because a lot of Americans are sick of hearing what is wrong with America or what America needs to doUh, I thought America was big on the free speech idea??

White trash

3rd December 2009, 11:16

Absolutely not. I would love to travel to New Zealand.
Not missing much mate. 40 million fucken sheep and that's about it.

Yankee Doodle Dandy

3rd December 2009, 11:16

Uh, I thought America was big on the free speech idea??
It is (as long as it is not against President Obama).

But I have the free speech to call someone a tosser (I think you guys use that term like the Brits do) when their statements lack all credibility.

AllanB

3rd December 2009, 11:19

Absolutely not. I would love to travel to New Zealand.

Make sure you set up your suspension correctly when you get here! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Pussy

3rd December 2009, 11:19

Not missing much mate. 40 million fucken sheep and that's about it.

Yeah, but some of them are quite nice looking! I never get lonely in my job in the agrarian sector! :niceone:

nadroj

3rd December 2009, 11:33

Yeah, but some of them are quite nice looking! I never get lonely in my job in the agrarian sector! :niceone:

Never the ones with their heads stuck in the fence though!

Yankee Doodle Dandy

3rd December 2009, 11:37

Yeah, but some of them are quite nice looking! I never get lonely in my job in the agrarian sector! :niceone:

NZ jail bate?

Yankee Doodle Dandy

3rd December 2009, 12:18

Besides, why can't someone who interacts with something (say America) have a valid opinion on what is wrong with that interaction?
To put in perspective, if you show up at a WSBK round on an old GS500 that is puking oil from every part it can then you don't comment that you don't think paint on Spies' upper quite matches the lower.

People can say what they want about America but come talk to me when people are drowning trying to get here by sailing over here on a post card.

warewolf

3rd December 2009, 13:08

To put in perspective, if you show up at a WSBK round on an old GS500 that is puking oil from every part it can then you don't comment that you don't think paint on Spies' upper quite matches the lower.The point actually is: if he was trying to sell me his upper & lower as a matched set, then yes I can comment. I don't have to be part of his team to do so; nor does his team have an exclusive hold on the knowledge of paint.

People can say what they want about America but come talk to me when people are drowning trying to get here by sailing over here on a post card.What's that got to do with anything? btw ppl do that trying to get in to my country, too.

As my pommie father-in-law is wont to say: "Ah, America, our most successful colony!"

Yankee Doodle Dandy

3rd December 2009, 13:15

The point actually is: if he was trying to sell me his upper & lower as a matched set, then yes I can comment. I don't have to be part of his team to do so; nor does his team have an exclusive hold on the knowledge of paint.
No but in the immortal words of the philosopher Ice Cube, you better check yourself before you wreck yourself.

America is a popular target for people that need a distraction because they cannot deal with the reality that their own country is a cesspool.

Robert Taylor

3rd December 2009, 13:30

You are full of shite.

We exchanged emails about some work. I tried to put some money in your pocket in return for the knowledge you shared with me and you gave me the high hat after I told you who I was including signing my email with my full name, address, and phone number.

I figured you did not want to business so I said whatever. Since then I have not asked you anything either publicly or privately. Then you posted some BS aimed at me in another thread and I just laughed it off and figured whatever. Now you post this. If you had something to say then you should have stepped up by replying to my email.

If anyone wants to know my pedigree then shoot me a PM with your email and I will respond.

NONE of your first 3 e-mails state where you are from ( I have just rechecked my inbox ) Like any prudent business person I like to know exactly who I am dealing with. Its a little like talking to someone wearing dark sunglasses when there is relative anonymity on a forum. What are they hiding?
We also dont make a habit of seeking business overseas, that may be an old fashioned concept. But as an Ohlins distributor we have an appointed territory that we operate in. There is parasitical and parrallell importation going on and we are therefore very mindful of not divulging too much unless we know EXACTLY who the person is and where he is from. More than once I have been free with information and that has not been reciprocated with business.
Thankyou now for the full answers I was seeking, it would have saved a lot of trouble had you been more forthcoming in the first instance. No shite, just reasonable prudence.

Robert Taylor

3rd December 2009, 13:34

Because a lot of Americans are sick of hearing what is wrong with America or what America needs to do from people that came from world's biggest cesspools.

Well, we need America.

Mully

3rd December 2009, 14:36

Hmm I only read this to see what Shaun and Robert had to say about suspenders (*snigger*), but:

People can say what they want about America but come talk to me when people are drowning trying to get here by sailing over here on a post card.

In fairness, they aren't leaving Utopia to sail to the States on a post card, now are they?

No but in the immortal words of the philosopher Ice Cube, you better check yourself before you wreck yourself.

And that is funny. :laugh:

So, how 'bout that suspension, huh?