Christchurch protest ride - Dec 5th

[knuckles24]

Christchurch protest ride
Saturday Dec 5th

Register your attendance here. (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-12-5&e=2273&c=1)


Alright folks here it is, December the 5th there will be a protest ride starting from Izone Drive in Rolleston (there will be marshals to direct you to the start point) meeting from 10.30am.

The reason we are starting in Rolleston is that hopefully the Timaru and Ashburton riders will be attending.
We will be leaving around 12.00pm heading down Main South Rd, left into Main South Rd from the Sockburn roundabout, Riccarton Rd, Hagley Ave, Oxford Tce, Lichfield St then left into Manchester st, then left into cashel st and finishing in the city mall. There we will be met by a few MPs and others.

It is time to step up the protest and make some noise, yes traffic will be held up but we have to start making ourselves heard and seen, we have done the quiet protest now it is time to show the Christchurch public we are not happy.

I am also thinking of getting the learner riders and the scooters up front doing about 70kmh. This will still be legal as the police still won't help out but I am trying to get a meeting with the area commander for transport and say help out. I have heard there are some bikes with hazard lights if there is I need one to go right up front with hazards on, it would have to be a fairly experienced rider, if that is you can you PM me please so we can touch base and finalise it.

I have e-mailed all the clubs I can think of I will be heading to some bike shops to hand out up posters and have got in touch with some contacts in the media, so what I am hoping and expecting is that we can do better then the last rally's as far as numbers is concerned. If you have t-shirts and banners then bring them and wear them, signs on your bike wouldn't be a bad thing either. If anybody is keen we should head to the Wheatsheaf for a get together after the rally.

[mikeey01]

This should be a sticky!

Got my support Knuckles

[Muppet]

Alright folks here it is, December the 5th there will be a protest ride starting from izone drive in rolleston (there will be marshals to direct you to the start point) meeting from 10.30am, the reason we are starting in rolleston is that hopefully the timaru and ashburton riders will be attending. We will be leaving around 12.00pm heading down main south rd, left into main south rd from the sockburn roundabout, riccarton rd, hagley ave, oxford tce, lichfield st then left into colombo st and finishing in the square and we will take up the whole square, there we will be met by a few MPs and others. It is time to step up the protest and make some noise, yes traffic will be held up but we have to start making ourselves heard and seen, we have done the quiet protest now it is time to show the christchurch public we are not happy. I am also thinking of getting the learner riders and the scooters up front doing about 70kmh. This will still be legal as the police still won't help out but i am trying to get a meeting with the area commander for transport and say help out. I have heard there are some bikes with hazard lights if there is i need one to go right up front with hazards on, it would have to be a fairly experienced rider, if that is you can you pm me please so we can touch base and finalise it. I have e-mailed all the clubs i can think of i will be heading to some bike shops to out up posters and have got in touch with some contacts in the media, so what i am hoping and expecting is that we can do better then the last rally's as far as numbers is concerned. If you have t-shirts and banners then bring them and wear them, signs on your bike wouldn't be a bad thing either. If anybody is keen we should head to the wheatsheaf for a get together after the rally.

Good on you, I will come. I don't want to put a fly in your soup but, you can't turn left from Lichfield Street onto Colombo Street. There is a no left turn sign there. Maybe go left at Oxford Terrace past the strip then onto Hereford Street then into Cathedral Square?

Cheers.

[mikeey01]

Good on you, I will come. I don't want to put a fly in your soup but, you can't turn left from Lichfield Street onto Colombo Street. There is a no left turn sign there. Maybe go left at Oxford Terrace past the strip then onto Hereford Street then into Cathedral Square?

Cheers.

from Moorhouse ave, left onto Colombo st would be better.

This should really be a sticky too!

[knuckles24]

I think going down the strip would be better, didn't realise that you couldnt turn left in to colombo st, my bad.

[ukusa]

regardles of the route, I'm all for it I'll be there.

[Oakie]

I get the point of having learners and scooters up front but I have reservations about having the 'L' platers, who by definition are inexperienced, leading a hopefully very large ride.

Also a bit concerned about some of the scooteratti needing to proceed at 70kph outside of town when some of them (and their bikes) may be quite unaccustomed to that speed. How were they catered for at the Bikoi?

Would it be an option for scooters to perhaps meet with the larger group at say Templeton and then lead the way in from there because there's nothing but a lack of self discipline preventing the larger group from proceeding at say 80kph from Rolleston to Templeton without having to have slow vehicles in front?

Just my 10 cents worth.

[knuckles24]

I don't mind 10 cents worth it all helps for the day, yeah you are probably right, i may lead it myself that way we can keep an eye on the less experienced, all learners and scooters are welcome otherwise how else do you get the experience riding in a group.

[TygerTung]

Isn't there already a protest ride on the 5th of december?

Please keep in mind that people riding 50cc modeds will not be able to achieve 70 km h, probably more like 50-60

[knuckles24]

I have been checking around and can't find anyone who is doing one except for us

[Oakie]

I have been checking around and can't find anyone who is doing one except for us

There was a suggestion somewhere about a vintage or veteran bike club of some sort doing something but I think that was when it was thought that John Key was coming to town.

[Mom]

Alright folks here it is, December the 5th there will be a protest ride ....If you have t-shirts and banners then bring them and wear them, signs on your bike wouldn't be a bad thing either. If anybody is keen we should head to the wheatsheaf for a get together after the rally.

Fantastic news! Keep it up folks, they will get the message eventually!
Have a look here

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=111452

We are using these to great effect up here.

Pm one of the senior mods too, and ask for them to put this on the sticky list at the top of the forum.

[knuckles24]

saw that, was thinking about getting something, have to get a megaphone 1st so i don't loose my voice like the first protest ride. :banana:

[Mom]

saw that, was thinking about getting something, have to get a megaphone 1st so i don't loose my voice like the first protest ride. :banana:

Funny you should say that we just bought one :D $89 plus batteries (cos everything good needs batteries eh) :killingme

I have a big mouth and can throw my voice a fair way, I just did not to be faced with a bigger crowd than we got last weekend at a venue where the wind could be a factor. Get stuck in, the power of the people is strong in you :2thumbsup

[knuckles24]

definitly hear us, they have left us with no choice, it sounds like there are going to be a few MPs, funny thing is that no national MPs are willing to show there face.

[Flip]

Well you can count me in.

[knuckles24]

Hi there guys, thought i would keep you bikers up to date, we have a few MPs turning up i have been contacted by a few radio stations and newspapers so will let them know where we stand and have prayed to the weather gods for excellent weather, have contacted every bike shop and club i can think of and word of mouth as well. Will keep all informed as we get closer to the day and really hope for a good turn out by all bikers from 50cc upwards as this effects every biker in NZ :2thumbsup

[ukusa]

There was a suggestion somewhere about a vintage or veteran bike club of some sort doing something but I think that was when it was thought that John Key was coming to town.

I think King of Ruapuna racing is on that day.

[helenoftroy]

I think King of Ruapuna racing is on that day.
Yes, we have King of Ruapuna round 3(Motorcycling Canterbury) on the 5th:no::crybaby:

[Hawk]

also the long Drop Rally in Duntroon

[knuckles24]

Well i have done as much as i can to organise this thing with some help from others, so its up to u guys and girls know to turn up and make your bike and voice heard. Just one more thing if the scooters arn't keen to ride with us from rolleston then we will meet you in templeton and then you can join in the ride from there, your choice and you know what your bike is capable of. :2thumbsup

[Muppet]

I think going down the strip would be better, didn't realise that you couldnt turn left in to colombo st, my bad.

There's a sign on the left as you approach Colombo Street, trouble is its obscured by a big tree and you aren't aware it's there until you're on top of it.

[mitsievo]

Can definitly count me in, and possibly the flatmate. He has a vespa, but its a 200 so i think it can hit 100ks.

[sunhuntin]

knuckles... thanks for the treat in my inbox! a couple or not too bad looking lesbians at the bottom of the email :doctor: :jerry:

i will talk to my boss about time off, but i dont think she will go for it... dec is all hands on deck! are the ferries doing cheap rates again like they did last time? im thinking a day to get to chch, a day in chch, and a day to get home again... should be do-able. first time i went down i did welly to chch in a day.

edit: if i can come, i have hazards on my bike and would be happy to look after the slower riders again, so long as ive got a detailed map of the route or someone with the group who knows where they are going and can lead.

[glanvillejon]

I have been checking around and can't find anyone who is doing one except for us
Yes there is a ride meeting at the Peg in Belfast at 10.00am heading to Pegasus for the Golf course opening by John Key. Now I don't know what to do!!

[Oakie]

Yes there is a ride meeting at the Peg in Belfast at 10.00am heading to Pegasus for the Golf course opening by John Key. Now I don't know what to do!!

John Key is not opening Pegasus. It's being opened by a Waimakariri District Councillor. Who is organising the ride to Pegasus?

[SpankMe]

knuckles... thanks for the treat in my inbox! a couple or not too bad looking lesbians at the bottom of the email :doctor: :jerry:

:doh: Forgot about the hotlink stuff. Will disable.

[knuckles24]

knuckles... thanks for the treat in my inbox! a couple or not too bad looking lesbians at the bottom of the email :doctor: :jerry:

i will talk to my boss about time off, but i dont think she will go for it... dec is all hands on deck! are the ferries doing cheap rates again like they did last time? im thinking a day to get to chch, a day in chch, and a day to get home again... should be do-able. first time i went down i did welly to chch in a day.

edit: if i can come, i have hazards on my bike and would be happy to look after the slower riders again, so long as ive got a detailed map of the route or someone with the group who knows where they are going and can lead.

Thats a new one on me, Lesbians?

[SpankMe]

Thats a new one on me, Lesbians?

My bad. Sent a mail out about the event using your post and forgot about the hotlink image replacement. :Oops: Should be ok now.

[knuckles24]

people are wondering if i am a pervert. :girlfight:

[knuckles24]

have offered there help as far as hazards on there bike so if you are keen to help i will have a detailed map of the direction we will be taking, we will not be going down lichfield st but we will be going thru the strip then right into worcester st and finishing in the square. A BIG THANKS to all who have offered there help and the support so we will make it a day that the public won't forget, see you all there and i will keep you up to date if there is any more news :beer:

[glanvillejon]

John Key is not opening Pegasus. It's being opened by a Waimakariri District Councillor. Who is organising the ride to Pegasus?
Yes I heard that about 30mins after putting post. I will not be attending,,, a sentence in the invitation worries me,,, "yes traffic will be held up but we have to start making ourselves heard" I am not going to a protest that will just piss everyone off, this is not the best way to get our point across. Any of these protests should not seriously impact other motorists etc. Thats just my feeling on the whole matter. Have fun.

[sunhuntin]

have offered there help as far as hazards on there bike so if you are keen to help i will have a detailed map of the direction we will be taking, we will not be going down lichfield st but we will be going thru the strip then right into worcester st and finishing in the square. A BIG THANKS to all who have offered there help and the support so we will make it a day that the public won't forget, see you all there and i will keep you up to date if there is any more news :beer:

i will try sweet talking my boss on friday, but i dont like my chances. this woman only grudgingly gave me a day off sick when i was coughing so bad i was on an asthma inhaler. i doubt she will give me time off to galavanting all over the country.

[knuckles24]

she is obviously not a biker, try chocolates or say you have stubbytoeitis, just a suggestion. :beer:

[tubehead]

Good luck over there with your protest ride hope people are not as apathetic as here in melbourne.The only time big numbers turn up for protest rides here is when they try to stop us parking on the footpath which is currently legal in the CDB.Then every man and his dog turns up.Generally australians just take it up the rear end from the law makers,they want to micro chip our bikes next!
I still return to ch ch occassionally for a refresher ride around the south island the best motorcycling roads in the world.:2thumbsup

[Molly]

...they want to micro chip our bikes next.

Tell me you're joking?

[tubehead]

Wish I was.The excuse is they can't get bikes on most tolled roads and speed cameras because of no front number plate so they are looking at identification
via a micro chip unit similar to an E tag.They already have number plate reading cameras to detect unregistered vehicles.Big brother is watching and scheming ways to save us from ourselves!Oh and dip into our bank accounts.

[knuckles24]

Wish I was.The excuse is they can't get bikes on most tolled roads and speed cameras because of no front number plate so they are looking at identification
via a micro chip unit similar to an E tag.They already have number plate reading cameras to detect unregistered vehicles.Big brother is watching and scheming ways to save us from ourselves!Oh and dip into our bank accounts.

Dirty BASTARDS

[antoni]

Register your attendance here. (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-12-5&e=2273&c=1)


Alright folks here it is, December the 5th there will be a protest ride starting from Izone Drive in Rolleston (there will be marshals to direct you to the start point) meeting from 10.30am.

The reason we are starting in Rolleston is that hopefully the Timaru and Ashburton riders will be attending.
We will be leaving around 12.00pm heading down Main South Rd, left into Main South Rd from the Sockburn roundabout, Riccarton Rd, Hagley Ave, Oxford Tce, Lichfield St then left into Colombo St and finishing in the square and we will take up the whole square. There we will be met by a few MPs and others.

It is time to step up the protest and make some noise, yes traffic will be held up but we have to start making ourselves heard and seen, we have done the quiet protest now it is time to show the Christchurch public we are not happy.

I am also thinking of getting the learner riders and the scooters up front doing about 70kmh. This will still be legal as the police still won't help out but I am trying to get a meeting with the area commander for transport and say help out. I have heard there are some bikes with hazard lights if there is I need one to go right up front with hazards on, it would have to be a fairly experienced rider, if that is you can you PM me please so we can touch base and finalise it.

I have e-mailed all the clubs I can think of I will be heading to some bike shops to hand out up posters and have got in touch with some contacts in the media, so what I am hoping and expecting is that we can do better then the last rally's as far as numbers is concerned. If you have t-shirts and banners then bring them and wear them, signs on your bike wouldn't be a bad thing either. If anybody is keen we should head to the Wheatsheaf for a get together after the rally.

:2thumbsup ill be there with bells on mate they need a good show of bikers

[knuckles24]

Charles Lamb (for people who don't know him he is the thorn in ACCs side) has confirmed he will be attending hopefully with some good news, Ruth Dyson will be attending but unfortunatly Dave C from the Green party will not be able to attend but thats alright i will try to rustle up a couple more if i can, and still no national MPs will show there face, i think they made be scared of the big bad biker and the normal biker. :devil2:

[knuckles24]

does anybody know of any bike clubs on the coast or know of any riders there that could pass on the message.

[Vern]

Good luck with your Protest ride I could not afford to ride down to Christchurch as much as I would like to. I went to Wellington and it was a excellent experience keep up the good work. Vern

[Rik]

Is this protest ride in conjunction with the protest ride on the same day to Pegasus golf course, or is it the same protest?

[robo555]

Is this protest ride in conjunction with the protest ride on the same day to Pegasus golf course, or is it the same protest?

I don't think there is a Pegasus ride, it was orignally thought John Key will be at Pegasus, but he's not.

[Oakie]

Yeah, can someone please confirm or deny if someone is still planning something for Pegasus as I understood it had been canned. There seems to something still hovering around in the background for some reason even though JK is not coming.

[glanvillejon]

Yeah, can someone please confirm or deny if someone is still planning something for Pegasus as I understood it had been canned. There seems to something still hovering around in the background for some reason even though JK is not coming.
PEGASUS IS OFF, THIS WAS CANNED BY ORGANISERS BECAUSE JOHN KEY IS NOT GOING TO BE THERE. IT IS CANCELLED, IF ANYONE GOES THEY WILL BE GOING ON A ONE MAN PROTEST!! lol

[knuckles24]

now thats settled, we will see you on the 5th at Rolleston and making a shit load of noise. :beer:

[Creeping Death]

PEGASUS IS OFF, THIS WAS CANNED BY ORGANISERS BECAUSE JOHN KEY IS NOT GOING TO BE THERE. IT IS CANCELLED, IF ANYONE GOES THEY WILL BE GOING ON A ONE MAN PROTEST!! lol

But then who is gonna open the Golf course?:blink:

[Oakie]

But then who is gonna open the Golf course?:blink:

It's either Tiger Woods or a Waimakariri District Councillor. Can't quite remember now. Oh hang on. It must be the latter as I've just heard that Tiger was in a car accident this morning and got a boo-boo on his face.

[glanvillejon]

But then who is gonna open the Golf course?:blink:
Who cares!!!!

[Oakie]

Bob Robertson cares who opens it.

[knuckles24]

It's either Tiger Woods or a Waimakariri District Councillor. Can't quite remember now. Oh hang on. It must be the latter as I've just heard that Tiger was in a car accident this morning and got a boo-boo on his face.

It can't be tiger woods, he is to busy getting dealt to by his misses with a golf club. :bash:

[pedro.b]

that is going PM me their cell number? A mate and I are going to try make it up there but we have a funeral here (Timaru) in the morning, so I don't think we will make the start. Would like to be able to txt someone to see where you are at and join in the convoy somewhere along the line.

Cheers

[been_there]

Maybe a map of the route posted here might be a good idea?

[wizz@kol.co.nz]

See you all there.

[knuckles24]

I have finally been informed that we are unable to use the square (due to xmas things) as our finishing point but have been given an alternative which will be the city mall which is suppose to be just as good, the only part of the route that will change is that we will be going straight down lichfield st then left into manchester st then left into cashel st and finishing in the city mall. This should be the last thing that will affect saturday, so bring your banners and t-shirts and lets give it hell. SEE YOU ALL THERE IN RECORD NUMBERS

[ukusa]

City Mall will be CHOKKA!

[zhero]

Hi Guys

How many are you expecting ?? on Sat

[knuckles24]

hopefully more then the last 2 combined, so come along and help make it happen

[Guzza]

people are wondering if i am a pervert. :girlfight:

You only count as a pervert if your fantasies involve kids or animals. Lesbian content is quite acceptable:shifty:

Cant promise anything but if I'm in town on Saturday, I'll be along for the ride.

[mikeey01]

I would still park up in the square anyway, stuff them, make em listen!

[izzyc]

Hey there good luck for the ride....i live in Whangarei so i wont make the ride ....but as i found out in the weekend..[after starting]...[after rebuilding] my mates bike ......a triumph 900 sprint has the hazzard light capability....cheers

[izzyc]

Forgot to mention, i just did the white ribbon run up north and yes sometimes speed does help....we went through the waipoua forest doin 60kph! ! ! ! i was stuck in 1st gear....and my mate on his r6 had his temp gauge out to 99 deg celcius..... ok if your on a harley, but gets bloody painful if you have to lay over your tank.....if anything, [or my advise] let the learners go first, then the cruisers, then the sports bikes.....perhaps say 15 mins between each group? ? ?

[reemit]

Ive done all the protest rides up here and its great to see everyone pulling together for one purpose. I live in Dorkland now but an an ex Cantabrian, id just like to say good luck and shout loud. :Oi::Oi:,

[knuckles24]

A big thanks for all the support from the northy riders, after watching the news last night it makes me more determined to get our point across. :moon: ACC

[Kiwi Graham]

Good luck guys from another Northerner!
Hope you get massive numbers to tell these idiots we wont go away!!!
At each inter-sectioon knock the pace off big time to allow the last riders to catch up without having to 'nail it' make lots of noise guys wish I could be there with you.

P.S this might be one of the last 'passive' protests in this battle!!

Board snoops take note, if you thought bikers were angry before.......you aint seen nothing yet!!!!!

[trevsnz]

If your going to put the learners up front so you can do 70km/h there is nothing stopping anyone putting an L plate on there bike. $2 at the $2 shop. I ride a 650cc bike had my full licence for 4 years but I have an L plate on the back of my bike (only because my girlfriend is a learner and will only ride if I'm riding as well) and its a hassel taking it on and off all the time.

[klingon]

If your going to put the learners up front so you can do 70km/h there is nothing stopping anyone putting an L plate on there bike. $2 at the $2 shop. I ride a 650cc bike had my full licence for 4 years but I have an L plate on the back of my bike (only because my girlfriend is a learner and will only ride if I'm riding as well) and its a hassel taking it on and off all the time.

Technically illegal, although I don't know anyone who has ever been fined for it.

Make sure you are always "accompanying a learner and in the process of giving them lessons" when using an L-plate if you're not actually an L-plater yourself.

[Maha]

All the best people, looking like a good turn out so far. From recent protest rides the number triples from what is registered.

[knuckles24]

It is looking to be a good turn out, the nerves have gone and know the excitement is kicking in, ACC have to realise we are not going away.

[rustic101]

hope it goes well for you all.

[T.W.R]

On a side note: one or two of the city bikeshops still think the run is destined for Pegasus :confused:

Got about a dozen riders sorted out ready to attend so far :cool:

[Mom]

Looks like you guys are going to have a great turn out. Have you got plenty of media interest?

[knuckles24]

Hopefully we should have some media interest, there is going to be enough of us doing this protest ride

[Dr Death]

Your've got my support knuckles. I'll be at Rolleston on saturday come rain hail or shine. Some KBer's from the wednesday night riders group will be in attendance too. See you there & "The more the merrier eh".

[babey8]

I hope you guys know what your doing. In Auckland when bikers wanted to protest in mall car parks the herald newspaper said something like "bikers want to disrupt mall goers".

Few things:

You will be arriving at the mall after 12pm. The car park is already going to be full !

Have you actually got permission from the mall to use their car park for your protest?

You know lots of people will be doing christmas shopping right so I think they would be angry at seeing your protest take up parking spaces.

Parliament will be closing for the year soon so all the MP's will be on their holiday and won't see your protests.

[robo555]

I hope you guys know what your doing. In Auckland when bikers wanted to protest in mall car parks the herald newspaper said something like "bikers want to disrupt mall goers".

Few things:

You will be arriving at the mall after 12pm. The car park is already going to be full !

Have you actually got permission from the mall to use their car park for your protest?

You know lots of people will be doing christmas shopping right so I think they would be angry at seeing your protest take up parking spaces.

Parliament will be closing for the year soon so all the MP's will be on their holiday and won't see your protests.

Whoops...fail.

Please go look up a pic of City Mall, Christchurch.

[knuckles24]

I have just been e-mailed a petition from a member, apparently it has come from a labour MP, so we will get people to sign it and then send it back. :Punk: when i posted the 1st post in this thread i suggested we should head to Wheatsheaf, if people are still keen then we can get together and plan our next step. Also i have heard from a reporter that there might be another national protest again has anyone else heard the same

[T.W.R]

As Izone drive is the last turn before the railway heading out of Rolleston towards Wards Rd and there are small townhouse type flats on the corner, the bottom end of Izone is presumably the area where we'll be congregating?
past the 1st roundabout there's a layby area

[babey8]

Whoops...fail.

Please go look up a pic of City Mall, Christchurch.

I looked on google maps. i see its just an area of shops. However on google maps it did show parking spaces on the side of the road and there was some poles with some signs on them that i couldn't quite read properly but i'm assuming they say something like " P60 " which would mean you can only park for 60 minutes or be towed away.

[laRIKin]

Back on subject. (stop feeding the trolls or people that do not know CHCH)
We will see you guys there, rain or shine.

What pisses me off is the amount of people that think they do not have to support this sort of thing.
And make weak reasons why they can not.

I bet you they will take any reduction in rego we can get tho.

So slackers turn up and help us and YOURSELF get a better deal.
Or never complain again about the price of rego.

[Hawk]

when you think about it............."unorgnaised protest ride to Rolleston" all those bikes heading south, Then a Knuckles Special back into town.
I was there for the peg run and ill be there for this one.
Ive been breaking arms, bribing fellow motorcyclist (the uninformed) to be there.

[babey8]

Back on subject. (stop feeding the trolls or people that do not know CHCH)
We will see you guys there, rain or shine.

What pisses me off is the amount of people that think they do not have to support this sort of thing.
And make weak reasons why they can not.

I bet you they will take any reduction in rego we can get tho.

So slackers turn up and help us and YOURSELF get a better deal.
Or never complain again about the price of rego.

LOL. That's because they DON'T have to support it. It aint a crime not to support it. LOL

Weak reasons? Like i'm not supporting it because i CAN afford to pay the increase because i'm not poor. Or I'm not supporting it because i'm not interested. LOL.
Why would someone support something if they CAN afford it and don't mind paying increased costs? LOL

[Molly]

What time do you expect to set off? I know you're meeting from 10.30am but just wondered when you'd actually leave? Just got something I have to do early Saturday and want to be there at the off.

[robo555]

Read the first post again, 12pm.

[Molly]

Apologies. I see that now.

[knuckles24]

We should be heading off about 12.00, you can join in at any stage you want to, there will be marshalls at the lights to direct everyone to the start point, Izone drive is an industrial area have been out to check it out, a heap of room for bikes didn't see any signs saying there was a time limit to be parked there. See you all there. :Punk:

[robo555]

Note last time at The Peg ride, there was a pentition casually passed around, but don't think many people signed it before we headed off for the ride.

May wish to have something in place so more people are aware of it this time.

[Molly]

There are too many people telling us what we can and can't do in our lives today. Regardless of how you feel about the insignia he does have the right to use it (in no small part due to those who fought against the symbol). That might be ironic but it <i> is</i> his right.

You've said how you feel. He's said how he feels. Can that be the end of it and can we just focus on the ACC issue?

[sammcj]

Isn't there already a protest ride on the 5th of december?

Please keep in mind that people riding 50cc modeds will not be able to achieve 70 km h, probably more like 50-60

I think anyone not capable of doing 70 should actually take up the rear (Pun slightly intended) / ride closer to the back of the pack.

While is important everyone affected takes place - I'm sure a lot of people don't want it to be as hard on their clutch as the last ACC ride which resulted in a number of bikes running hot from the slow stop-starts and never getting up enough speed to cool down.

Should be a good ride, sure hope we turn some heads!

[McMotoMannie]

Have you got stocks of t shirts going into the van/ute at the front. At least you can be selling them at the end of the ride in?

Seona

[McMotoMannie]

Oops, that should have been meeee as Maddmaxs and I'm logged in as himself... AND I thought I'd pm'd it...

Ooops

Maddmaxs

[gibby63]

WILL BE THERE WIFF BELLS ON GOT A FEW MATES COMING TWO .....:done:::c:

[Dave-]

I'll be there.

[Creeping Death]

Just got home from the Peg and even they said there's nothing going down there tomorrow....mind you she was blonde,and very purdy...:mellow:

[Blue TLS]

I'll be there , missed the biketober one

[Oakie]

9.30am and I recieved a txt from my daughter who is travelling south from Ch "Heaps of bikes heading into Christchurch". 9.35am and just recieved another "just went past another big group"

[rustic101]

Hope this goes well. Wish I was there riding too...Give em hell

[Trumpess]

watched them come through Hornby about 12.15pm.
Awesome turn out! 500+ bikes?? Thereabouts.
Shame there were no coppers on hand to let them all through the lights together. Never mind ... it was a specticle to behold ... awesome!

[cruza]

Awesome turn out. First time ever involved in a protest. This is something to big to let go . Listen to the people John Key . Parents, firearm users, motorcyclists, Who next?

[laRIKin]

They reckon 1200 bikes.:gob:

Well done to all those they took the time to do something about the levy.:clap::niceone:

[KelvinAng]

It was a great turn out, certainly much more than the Biketoberfest turn out! Problem is the shoppers in the city doesn't really know what's going on though... one lady asks, "is this a parade of some sort?".

It looks like a massive bike show.

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[laRIKin]

I guess I better put a photo as well.
This one is at the start and there are more bikes behind the camera and around the corner

[yungatart]

What a fantastic effort! Well done to all those that turned up and a big thumbs up to the organisers!
You rock!

[Maha]

Yeah well done people, top effort and the day looks stunning.
Sweet job knuckles!

[sellywin]

Awesome turn out! Managed to finish work and join up at sockburn round about.

[Naki Rat]

I guess I better put a photo as well.
This one is at the start and there are more bikes behind the camera and around the corner

That's a shitload of bikes. Excellent effort all :niceone:

[Hawk]

awsome ride and turn out thanks Knuckles

[JellyBellyKelly]

hi all, i was the one on the corner of riccarton rd roundabout with the camera.... got about 90-100 photos as the bikes went past. any suggestions on where to put the photos so people can look at them???

well done all, very impressive

[T.W.R]

Great turnout indeed :2thumbsup

The only failing would have to be that once within the suburbs the convoy got broken up which lessened the impact slightly.
Though seeing the bus stopped in it's tracks on Riccarton Ave and doing a U-turn to avoid us was interesting :lol:

Top effort Knuckles....Well done :niceone:

[sammcj]

Great ride, some photos here - http://picasaweb.google.com/sammcj/ACCProtest5thDec2009#

[nrc]

Have to agree with all the peole who are saying to thanks to the organisers. Also, thanks to Charles Lamb (used to have him as a lecturer at varsity, where he was also very good), I thought he spoke very well, and I thought he combined all of our thoughts into a pretty good 5 minute speech.

Lichfield Street full of bikes was an impressive sight! The smell of petrol, the sound of engines... excellent.

NRC.

[sammcj]

got about 90-100 photos as the bikes went past. any suggestions on where to put the photos so people can look at them???

I used picasa, it gives you 1GB of storage, resize em' to 1280x1024~ before you upload.

[been_there]

hi all, i was the one on the corner of riccarton rd roundabout with the camera.... got about 90-100 photos as the bikes went past. any suggestions on where to put the photos so people can look at them???

well done all, very impressive

Try flickr or picasweb etc..would be great to see.

Well done knuckles and the others that helped!!!

[laRIKin]

Well done knuckles and the others that helped!!!

Yes we must not forget the others that are unnamed and helped out.
So thanks to you guys and to the guys that held the traffic up so we could stay as a group as best as we could.:Punk:

[sammcj]

Video arriving in town - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulDnzMJoLGk

[Naki Rat]

Are you guys onto this: http://www.national.org.nz/Events/DisplayEvent.aspx?EventID=1624

Starts 6/12/2009 at 07:00 p.m.
Ends (approximately) 6/11/2009 at 10:00 p.m.
Event Type Social Function
Organising Group Nelson Electorate
Venue Information
Venue Nick and Linley's Garden
Address 544 Waimea Rd
Nelson
Attendance General Public

Looks like Nix inviting everybody :ride::chase::spanking::bs::drinknsin:

Apologies if you're already onto it but unable to find any info or get any reply from locals.

[JellyBellyKelly]

thanks for tips on photos... they're now in my album on here so click on my profile and have a look - about 100 - some are really awesome
cheers, Kel :2thumbsup

[knuckles24]

Well what can i say but a BIG THANKS to everyone who turned up to make it a f@#kn brilliant turnout and a thanks to Paul, Tony, Charles Lamb, Ruth dyson and to the misses and the kids and others who came up with suggestions for this event, if you have any photos or vids them post them on this thread. All i can say is THIS IS NOT THE END. :2thumbsup

[Molly]

Well done Knuckles. Thought there was a lot of bikes there when I arrived but couldn't believe the numbers by the time we left. I think even the police were surprised (hence perhaps their holding traffic to let us get away together).

Some bloke took a close up photo of my left boot... Think he must've had a foot fetish.

[sammcj]

It really rips me that we did this MASSIVE protest and F$@#ing fairfax group doesn't put it on stuff.co.nz (www.stuff.co.nz) (the press).

Their front-page article is "ALL WHITES GET THEIR GROUP ITALY, PARAGUAY & SLOVAKIA" ... who cares?

[Laxi]

well done guys awsome turnout:niceone: typical bloody news 800bikes and it only merits 30 seconds of air time:angry:

[johnnymille]

thanks for organising this successful protest rally Knuckles, I'm sure it will fall on deaf ears (National/Nick Smith) but we have to try

[Molly]

well done guys awsome turnout:niceone: typical bloody news 800bikes and it only merits 30 seconds of air time:angry:

Which channel?

[AllanB]

800bikes and it only merits 30 seconds of air time:angry:

30 seconds is pretty good on TV - hell I'm pretty sure that there are some KB guys who have made children in that time frame!:bleh:

Sounds like a great turnout - missed it due to family commitments (must be time to get some riding gear for the kids).

[Laxi]

Which channel?

TV3, cant find it on demand though

[knuckles24]

yeah, we had more of a turnout then any other centre but unfortunatly not much airtime, oh well thats the way it goes. i am not sure what our next step will be, if you have any ideas then lets hear them.

[far queue]

Yep TV3, 7 min 25 secs from when the talking heads start, and 20 seconds long - I timed it! There was nothing on TV1 news.

[sammcj]

Yep TV3, 7 min 25 secs from when the talking heads start, and 20 seconds long - I timed it! There was nothing on TV1 news.

Ever since fairfax group took over the press and other media orgs in NZ it's really turned into right-wing shit-bucket.

I know a guy who wrote a program that samples how long articles stay up on stuff.co.nz and what their keywords were - aparently he had some pretty interesting results - I'll see if I can get him to pull up something on motorcycles (not sure if it'll work with the new site design).

[murhf3]

Hi plp. I recorded most of the start of the ride tru to riccarton, then the bats went flat.
So i.ll break it down and post small blocks for everyone ova the next couple of days.
It looks amazing at the start with all the bikes lined up.

[NONONO]

Looks fantastic, well done The South :cool:

[Hawk]

we are being watched forum Nat' spies pm sent

[Oakie]

we are being watched forum Nat' spies pm sent
Fair's fair. We eavesdrop on their stuff.

[knuckles24]

what can they do about it, we can work some stuff out by private messaging

[HondaSTrider]

Would like to add my, and Broomrider's congrats on an excellent turn out and a great day!
Well done to Knuckles24 and all those who work behind the scenes at these sorts of things...GREAT EFFORT!
I haven't done a ride like that since Tauranga to Wellington in the early 90's??? (I think anyway... my memories going!) when they tried to tie rego to cc ratings on a $ per cc effort. They were wankers then... and things haven't changed a whole lot I guess.

Will certainly be keeping an eye on here for future info.

[VTRRR]

great stuff, i did like the idea of a motorcycle party in there!!!

[sammcj]

If you want a laugh have a read of ACC's "strategic plan 2007-2012": http://www.acc.co.nz/PRD_EXT_CSMP/groups/external_communications/documents/papers_plans/dis_ctrb093142.pdf

"ACC is responsible for"..."Maintaining stable levies..."

"We use time, money and resources wisely."

"We engage with others in ways that consider and reflect their uniqueness – both as individuals and as collective groups."

"We care about and support others. We involve and listen to others and recognise their contributions."


Actually have a read of: http://www.acc.co.nz/PRD_EXT_CSMP/groups/external_communications/documents/reports_results/prd_ctrb118047.pdf around page 22ish?

And I quote my friend here (yes I have one!):

"If they could get their operating cost down to what the where in 2002, the costs/claims % would be looking good at 8ish%
not 12%, They seem to becoming 'less efficient', at a good speed aswell!"

The number of long-term weekly compensation claims is increasing,those from motor vehicles in declining, works increasing, this shows that people hurt in motor accidents get back to work, people that are hurt at work try to keep away from work as long as possible as they are increasing the most.

[ukusa]

great ride, awesome to be a part of it. I would guess it may be one of many more to come.

[Trumpess]

Video taken at Main South/Halswell Junction Rds intersection.
Not the best video, as taken on camera, but you get the idea :yes:



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[NONONO]

The words used too often here...but you guys were Awesome..
Loved the video and song..

[chom]

Well done, shows the truth! I reckon we do look like an easy target.

[NONONO]

Well done, shows the truth! I reckon we do look like an easy target.

Eh?
Say Again?

[NONONO]

I did not get there to hear all the speeches but was there any ideas floated on how to deal with the increase when it comes in? I spoke to one guy who had 3 bikes and suggested he just register one plate and swap it which he had thought of doing. I am thinking of reducing my insurance cover to offset the increase. Another idea could be to just stagger the risk eg register for 3 months and put the bike on hold for the following 3 months then register for the next 3 months etc.

Cool, If you don't ride to work, for work, for travel and fun...I ride every day, to work, at work, for travel and fun....as I've said before, how many tickets would be enough?
Why should I put myself at risk of losing my license and my job because the Nats are trying to tax me off the road?
This only works if you have the money for 2 bikes, or a car and a bike.

[Brian d marge]

Eh?
Say Again?

Eh?
Say Again?

well every one stopped at the traffic light

possibly the most law abiding protest Ive ever seen!

Love the photos of the bikes !

I wouldn't buy

a harley
A suzuki gsx
a trike
a triumph
a Yamaha R
a motoguzzi
a Ducati

everyone seemed to have one!

I loved that Scooter rider filtering up to the front in the u tube video !!! Go scooter boy!

and not ONE single wheely at the start place ,,,,it just had wheely written all over it ,,,,

I enjoyed those pictures ,,,,more please !


Stephen

[Creeping Death]

Awesome Knuckles,and excellent turnout.
Who was the fuckass cruiser rider that ran that red light near the Bush Inn?
Fuck mate,that Skyline almost took you out.

[Hawk]

well every one stopped at the traffic light


that was a state highway intersection......................

[ukusa]

some more photos

[ukusa]

and some more

[ukusa]

and some more

[T.W.R]

I loved that Scooter rider filtering up to the front in the u tube video !!! Go scooter boy!



The dude on the red nifty fifty with the fluro vest was a machine :yes:

all the way from Rolleston to Hornby he had the wee beast tapped out...... probably 40km/h tops, as the procession swallowed him up he just kept it pinned riding the verge, we'd pass him then as the bunch slowed again he'd just zip up the inside & make a few hundred metres on us then we'd swallow him up again but just kept on trotting along :lol:

[T.W.R]

Great ride, some photos here - http://picasaweb.google.com/sammcj/ACCProtest5thDec2009#

lol what's with taking pics of my boot & exhaust pipe :confused:

[veny]

That's good. Brian left the humble kwaka off the list. lol

Thanks to the organisers! :rockon:
That's two chch protest rides now and would do it again.
Whatever it takes..., the thieving b'stards.

But like a previous post, I too got asked by a woman winding down her window "whatye riding for?" :eek5:
I didn't see any t-shirts or signs. So something to think about for next time.

Thanks for the photo's & video... :yes:

[The Lone Rider]

One important thing no one has mentioned - as far as I am aware there were no accidents or injuries during this run.

So everyone, thanks for riding safely.

[Subike]

One important thing no one has mentioned - as far as I am aware there were no accidents or injuries during this run.

So everyone, thanks for riding safely.

in the past 30 days of protesting, there have been thousands of bikes on the road doing what was done on this ride.
Orderly well behaved riders,
Only ONE incident has been reported during thse rides so far.

What does this say about the facts being presented by the ACC and Dicky Smutt re our danger to others on the road?
bull shit

[sammcj]

lol what's with taking pics of my boot & exhaust pipe :confused:

bahaha I'm not sure how that one got uploaded, that was in my delete pile. :nya:

[murhf3]

Hi plp, Iam having abit of trouble uploading my vids to this site. [If anyone can help!!]:doh:
But have put some on facebook under ... Rod Murphy.

[sammcj]

Hi plp, Iam having abit of trouble uploading my vids to this site. [If anyone can help!!]:doh:
But have put some on facebook under ... Rod Murphy.

Have you tried uploading to YouTube?

[Pixie]

I did not get there to hear all the speeches but was there any ideas floated on how to deal with the increase when it comes in? I spoke to one guy who had 3 bikes and suggested he just register one plate and swap it which he had thought of doing. I am thinking of reducing my insurance cover to offset the increase. Another idea could be to just stagger the risk eg register for 3 months and put the bike on hold for the following 3 months then register for the next 3 months etc.

Register for 3 months/yr if you get ticketed register the next day and write an excuse to the cops.

[JellyBellyKelly]

excellent vid. love the photos of the bikes all lined up at rolleston.
well done all :rockon:

[knuckles24]

Yeah it was a good ride into town, there were ones who had never ridden in a ride like that but did bloody well and there were no accidents so well done and give yourselves a pat on the back. If i find out anymore about a national protest then i will keep you guys informed and also another local one as well (if people are keen to do another one), let us know your thoughts and any ideas of how we could have more of an impact. i am happy to put another ride together. :scooter:

[knuckles24]

we could hook up with the nelson crew and invade nick's office.

[KeyboardRider]

I wish to thank all the organizers for their time and efforts.
you were great guys!

It was an awesome ride.

Cheers,
Keyboard Rider

[Molly]

Wonder if there'll be any tickets in the post for the procession continuing through red lights in the city centre.

I figured since the cops got us underway through red lights, that they were in town holding up traffic at the lights too. That's why I followed the pack through officer...

;)

[Subike]

Wonder if there'll be any tickets in the post for the procession continuing through red lights in the city centre.

I figured since the cops got us underway through red lights, that they were in town holding up traffic at the lights too. That's why I followed the pack through officer...

;)

traffic control probably turned the cameras off under advice from the controling officer. I doubt any tickets would be issued.


knuckles24 ................

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Yeah it was a good ride into town, there were ones who had never ridden in a ride like that but did bloody well and there were no accidents so well done and give yourselves a pat on the back. If i find out anymore about a national protest then i will keep you guys informed and also another local one as well (if people are keen to do another one), let us know your thoughts and any ideas of how we could have more of an impact. i am happy to put another ride together.


.................................................. ................

how a bout just a ride by, from watching the vidio taken at Halswell Junction rd, the riders were very well behaved. a similar type of ride starting from the Esplanade in Sumner, which would be a great gathering point for this, from there up Humphreys Drive to linwood ave, and so on
destination can be antwhere, but on a Sat a route that was around the mauin shopping centers, as just a ride by, would expose us to a large public area. Evn better if it was a very wam day just befoe Xmass.

[Oakie]

Hey Mr Knuckles ... I like your new avatar!

[knuckles24]

You know how i told you that this is not the end, well........... have just e-mailed Ullyses in nelson for a possible protest and get together up there, i am not going to let to much out of the bag at this stage as i believe we are being watched by certain groups, remember that we are not only fighting for bikers rights but also the rights of the sexual abuse victims and keeping ACC owned by NZ for the benefit of all kiwis, forgot to mention earlier that we got a big thanks from the sexual abuse victims group for making a stand and i think we need to keep them involved and in our minds because they are easy targets just like us. keep watching this thread for updates and details (WE ARE NOT GOING AWAY NICK SMITH)

[SDU]

Have to agree with all the peole who are saying to thanks to the organisers. Also, thanks to Charles Lamb (used to have him as a lecturer at varsity, where he was also very good), I thought he spoke very well, and I thought he combined all of our thoughts into a pretty good 5 minute speech.

Lichfield Street full of bikes was an impressive sight! The smell of petrol, the sound of engines... excellent.

NRC.

I have to agree with this Thanx to knuckles & C. Lamb he's doing a awesome job fronting for us all

[chunkymumma05]

:woohoo: Very proud of all the work you have done and have planned for our campaign against ACC, Love you. Mrs Knuckles (chunkymumma05):heart:

[reemit]

Well done all you southern folk, it just keeps getting better.:woohoo:

[knuckles24]

All i can say is that the other regions need to keep the pressure on and don't let John Key & Nick Smith think we have gone away because we are not going away and will not be backing down. :rockon:

[Oakie]

Equally important ... don't let the media think we've gone away. Unless we are taking 'direct action', the politicians only find out about our activities if the media reports it.

[Okey Dokey]

Fantastic! Greatwork by knuckles & all organisers and all who turned up to protest the ACC levy increase.

Pisses me off how the gvmt seems to ignore it's citizens. :bash:

[JellyBellyKelly]

for the next ride/rally i would suggest some bright tops to go over jackets, and/or signs attached to bikes as not many people knew what the ride was for........ bloody impressive sight all those bikes though :yes:

[ukusa]

for the next ride/rally i would suggest some bright tops to go over jackets, and/or signs attached to bikes as not many people knew what the ride was for........ bloody impressive sight all those bikes though :yes:

There are protest t-shirts available on KB, I had mine on. Saw a few others, but not very many.

[ukusa]

didn't see the Press today, but someone told me there was nothing in it about the ride. Saturday paper had a small column of about 5 lines saying there was going to be a ride, but they even got that wrong by saying it would finish in the Square.
Ditto on Saturday night TV1 news, no coverage! If we were a group of Maori doing a Hikoi march through the Lyttelton tunnel I bet it would get more coverage.
Maybe we didn't make enough noise?

[knuckles24]

I had e-mailed them and even talked to a nelson reporter who also is connected with the press here in town before the protest and she even said they may not do an article and guess what we didn't even get a mention which has prompted me to a rather abrupt letter to the press mentioning the numbers that turned up and how about some support, i would urge you guys to let them know how you feel and start supporting christchurch events as most of us do buy the press and are keeping them in business. :bash:

[Molly]

I just emailed: letters@press.co.nz but there are other options. See: http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/2886/Contact-press-co-nz

I just kept it simple. Subject line was: Saturday's ACC Protest - Ignored by The Press. As follows:

Dear Sir.

On Saturday about 1,000 motorcycles and scooters took part in a protest against the proposed ACC increases. The event was well organised and passed off without incident. Speakers included Prof. Charles Lamb who has succeeded in exposing Dr Smith's statistics for the damned lies they are.

Motorcyclists are a minority group working hard to have our voice heard. That The Press chose to ignore the event is more than a little disappointing. Are you perhaps not as politically independent as you would have us believe?

[knuckles24]

Dear Sir/madam

I was the organiser on the Bikers Against ACC protest ride that happened on the 5th December in which a record number of motorbikes turned up, there would have been close to a 1000 bikers unite for the cause, i had e-mailed you guys to let you know what was happening in hope that we may get some coverage as this would have to be the biggest turn out for the region but for some reason you could not support us by covering this in your paper. We are fighting for our rights and that is that the proposed ACC levy hike is unfair and discriminating against bikers regardless of what sort of bike you ride also we are supporting the sexual abuse victims as well and also trying to save ACC from privatisation and keeping it in the hands of all New Zealanders. So i would hope in future that you would cover any events in christchurch and take into account that a lot of us are readers of the press and subscribers.

Adrian Le Gros

[JMemonic]

I had e-mailed them and even talked to a nelson reporter who also is connected with the press here in town before the protest and she even said they may not do an article and guess what we didn't even get a mention which has prompted me to a rather abrupt letter to the press mentioning the numbers that turned up and how about some support, i would urge you guys to let them know how you feel and start supporting christchurch events as most of us do buy the press and are keeping them in business. :bash:

Dont hold your breath, Fairfax have backed off totally, business round table perhaps, but what ever the reason they dont take criticism or even appear interested now.

[Oakie]

It's like "Ho hum, another bike bike ride. Hardly news anymore". Time for a change of approach ... something to interest the media.

[knuckles24]

apart from rioting we need some sort of impact, any ideas :beer:

[davereid]

Fairfax have been publishing anti biker opinion from the BRT, but ignoring bikers. Enough said really.

Next protest needs to be spectacular, and NOT invite Fairfax... so they suffer from being the only one with no mcoverage of something newsworthy.

[SDU]

Prehaps we need to combine with other groups fighting the changes as well.
They can't ignore everyone

[sammcj]

Dear Decision Maker,

I'm simply going to copy to you exactly what others have written below; I think it sums it up pretty well and I think it is important to New Zealander's that The Press realises this is effecting a lot of people.
I truly hope that you could find it financially viable to write a front page article on the ACC protests from The Bikers view.
As a group we feel / know we are being undermined for certain political reasons, we would truly respect and be very thankful for any coverage you could spare.
Your reply would be much appreciated, even if it is denying my request.

-Sam McLeod, Another Upset Kiwi Biker.



...goes on to quote others.


(Subject Reads: ACC Protest / Project Silence The Bikers.)

Sent to:
suzi.lazenby@press.co.nz
reporters@press.co.nz
letters@press.co.nz

[ukusa]

It's like "Ho hum, another bike bike ride. Hardly news anymore". Time for a change of approach ... something to interest the media.
maybe we need some boobs on the back of each bike, that seems to get a shit load of media coverage every year.
maybe we should have made it Sunday, and joined onto the back of the Santa parade.
The media did seem to shun us.
With Xmas so close, many people will be heading away on holidays & I feel the whole protest thing may lose some momentum over those 3 or 4 weeks. We probably need to step up the action in the lead up to Xmas, and maybe look at doing the same thing (or similar) every week until then. Is it time to fill all the parks in town one morning? The one up north seemed to go well. The cars will have nowhere to park, but it should highlight the fact of what could happen to the roads should many be forced off their bikes due to cost.

[AlpinePossum]

As I said... this wasn't much of a protest... but it's a Damn Good Bike Show!

The kids in the streets thought the Santa Parade had come early!

Some random thoughts for you to chew on...

* The cops here are utterly clueless about protests. Protests are _not_ things for cops to go all "hands off" about. Protests are bloody dangerous things an inch away from a riot, full lots of people who are already angry. A policemans duty in such a situation is _not_ to stop or hinder the protest. The policemans duty is to make damn sure nobody on any side gets hurt. It would just take one impatient asshole in a car to slam into the bikers for things to get really really ugly.

* There is another large body of folks who are implicitly on our side. The push bikers. Yip, they're scared if they squeak they'll get slammed with a matching levy. But if we're scared of and pissed off with clueless cagers... I'm promise you cyclists are even more vulnerable and angry. We could do a lot worse to borrow some of the cyclists tactics (Google for "critical mass" and "we are traffic" protest actions.) In fact, instead of just borrowing the tactics, how about inviting them to join with us. We don't want higher ACC payouts, we want fewer ruddy accidents! ACC is two large ugly steps beyond the proverbial "Ambulance at the foot of the cliff"!

* The Nat Party is beholden to big money, so if our protests start costing them money, they might listen. For example, find the supermarket chain, red shed or whatever that donated the most money to the Nats... and then early on a Saturday before Christmas.... Go unshopping.

Fill up parking spaces.

Contemplate life.

Window shop.

Give kiddies free rides (with helmets etc).

Buy nothing.

* The Nats are vulnerable to the populist vote. They have big media and big money on their side. Clubbing together and buying ad space on TV or Google Ads, (not Fairfax), community news papers. This may be more effective than a ride.

* Instead of a protest ride, a protest bike show. Invite the general public. Invite the kiddies. Let them all see, drool over, touch, sit on our shiny cool toys. And then explain to them carefully what a Bad Bad Man Mr Smith is and why you must _never_ vote for him...

Ps: Thanks Knuckles for organizing this... superbly done, superbly organized!

But let's face it, The Man, like a bratty kid has his fingers firmly in his ears going "Lalalala I Can't _Hear_ You!!" Time to take it to another level.

Ps: Thanks UkUsa: Nice pic of my Suzi!
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=153635&d=1260043241

[robo555]

A good ride, well organised, but need banners (which I know is a bit tricky on bikes), and loud speakers for pillions.

Will turn up for any further rides. We know bikers likes to ride, just need to improve on our display of intention.

[The Lone Rider]

I have recieved a letter from N. Smith in the mail. I will type it out and post it as soon as I have time.

[ukusa]

I have recieved a letter from N. Smith in the mail. I will type it out and post it as soon as I have time.

probablya generic letter written by someone else that he signed. Is it full of his lies?

[sammcj]

I have recieved a letter from N. Smith in the mail. I will type it out and post it as soon as I have time.

:D Reply and you guys could be pen-pals ;)

[The Lone Rider]

I would say that it is a reply letter for anyone who went through the proper channel to lodge an appeal submition or whatever it's called.

Due dates for that are well over though from memory.

www.bikersagainstacc.org.nz has all the latest info

[The Lone Rider]

Have typed this out fast so it will have some spelling mistakes but here you go:

Here is the letter from Smithy:

Thank you for writing regarding the proposed ACC levy rates for motorcycle owners for the 2010/2011 year.

The proposed rathes that have been released by ACC are not the finished rathes. ACC has released these initial proposals for public consultation. The proposals include increases across ACC's different levies, not only those of motorcyclists.

ACC has recieved over 2,700 submissions from the public on its proposals. This is a far greater number than is isually recieved. Both ACC and I are conscious of the level of public concern at the proposed levy increases and I have also meth with a number of representatives from the motorcycleing fraternity to hear their concerns directly. The submissions will be considered by ACC before it's Board makes a recommendation to me. I will then make a final recommendations to Cabinet, which will decide on the new levy rathes. The new rathes will be effective from 1 April 2010 for earners and employers and from 1 July 2010 for motorists.

Levy rathes at the level prposed by ACC so far are unlikely to be acceptable to many NZers, and I am taking steps to prevent increases of this scale, which are aligned to ACC's current policies and governing legislation.

ACC faces significant and serious financial problems that the Government has had to give urgent attntion. ACC lost 2.4 billion in 2007/2008 and another 4.8 billion last year. It's unfunded liabilities have increased from 4 billion to 13 billion, as claim costs have risen 57 percent in the last four years.

The finiacial impact of these funding shoftfalls can be addressed by reducing ACC's costs, increasing levies, improving rehabilitation outcomes, or reducing entitlements, and the Government's approach is a balanced mix. Measures are being introduced to change ACC's practices and governing legislation, so that levy increases can be kept as low as possible.

Work is underway to improve ACC's rehabilitation performanced and to better manage payments to treatment providers. Gains in these areas will, over time, have a positive effect on levy rates.

I introduced an ACC Refomr Bill on 22 October 2009. This lgislation will see ACC's prposed levy increases, including those for motorcycles, reduce. I am also pushing out the date the SCheme needs to be fully funded, from 2014 until 2019, removing some Scheme extensions introduced by the previous Government like suicide, as well as removing entitlements for criminals.

A stocktake of ACC is also underway. The pbject of the stoacktake is to deliver practical reccomendations for improving performance and to ensure our accident insurance Scheme is affordable for levy payers and taxpayers. It will investifage, amongst other things, drivers of the cost increases and alternative options for sevice provision and funding. The Stocktakge Group will also look at whether we can make greater use of the proviate sector for injury management and compensation. However, I remain committed to 24/7 no fault accident compensation scheme.

Motorcycle accident claims have risen from 871 in 1998 to 5044 in 2008, a greater increase than any area of claims. While the annual road toll has been decreasing over the past decard, some 27% from 501 to 366, motorcycle fatalities have increasd 21%. These increases cannot be dismissed simply on the basis motorcycle numbers increasing, as the number of claims per motorcycle have grown significantly over the past decade.

Levy increases are required. In the case of motorcycles, if the true cost was charged for motorcycle injuries on public roads, levies would range from $1200 for smaller motorcycles to $3700 for those over 600cc. Even with the levy increases proposed by ACC, every car owner will be paying $77 per year to subsidise injuries of motocyclists. This funding of motorcycle accident costs by other road users occurs notwithstanding the claim that it is cars that cause the accidents. Even if we assume that all accidents involving both motorcycles and other vehicles are the fault of the other driver, the cost of other motorcycle accidents involving no other vehicle still far exceeds the proposed levy. I also stress given the claims to contrary, that this analysis only inculdes accidents on public roads and does not include trail bike or farm bike accidents that are charged to other ACC accounts.

I can assure you that the governmenty will contsider levy rates carefully, and will be exploring the best options to minimise levy increases whil ensuring that the ACC Scheme is viable and effectiong.

Thank you for taking the time to write. I do take on your concerns and can assure you that the Government will not be proceeding with levy increases as large as those initially proposed by the ACC Board.

[sammcj]

F*&#ing lies!
I feel like going over to his house and ripping the flesh off his face :angry:


Too harsh?

(note this is clearly a joke before the cops come knocking at my door!)

[Bald Eagle]

F*&#ing lies!
I feel like going over to his house and ripping the flesh off his face :angry:


Too harsh?

standard response seen elsewhere on here.

I believe you can get it by the reem from the govt printers.

[peasea]

Have typed this out fast so it will have some spelling mistakes but here you go:

Here is the letter from Smithy:

Thank you for writing regarding the proposed ACC levy rates for motorcycle owners for the 2010/2011 year.

Blah, blah, blah.

Identical to the one I got, a long-winded load of old bollocks. He has crapped all over us and I suggest we do the same to him. We are never far from a dairy farm in NZ and therefore have access to copious quantities of ammunition.

[peasea]

F*&#ing lies!
I feel like going over to his house and ripping the flesh off his face :angry:


Too harsh?

I might (might) get his attention, you never know. I'd be a bit careful about what you say on here though, me threatening to drop a dollop of cowshit on the wanker is a bit different to threats against his person.

Some more positive action is called for though, IMHO.

[knuckles24]

all i can say is print out the correct facts which can be found on the bikers against acc website and send the letter you got from dick smith and attach the facts from the website and send them back to him.

[Pixie]

F*&#ing lies!
I feel like going over to his house and ripping the flesh off his face :angry:


Too harsh?

(note this is clearly a joke before the cops come knocking at my door!)
And if Crazy Old Nick is found in his driveway with no face,it was bitten off by a crocodile.Right?

[sammcj]

And if Crazy Old Nick is found in his driveway with no face,it was bitten off by a crocodile.Right?

Hahaha, that sounds about right...

Nick if you're reading this - I'm not going to rip your face off, I'm a peaceful person. I'm going to leave that to the other thousands of people you've pissed off.

[JellyBellyKelly]

that letter sounds like "marketing department" or "salesman" talk
whole lotta words that don't mean much

[knuckles24]

Does anybody know how to contact the sexual abuse victims support group here in canterbury, looking at getting them involved with us.

[Oakie]

Try the Canterbury Health Board.

[knuckles24]

Hi guys and girls, well we have still been screwed over and i am not happy, they have dropped it a little bit but still not enough as far as i am concerned.

[been_there]

It is unacceptable.

They are still trying to slash other services as well.
Who's next......could be anyone.
As mentioned in other threads, you can bet they will only increase the levies again and again till they get to where they suggested...not today but it will happen!
Fuck the government for shitting on the working person.

Need to get there real attention now, just need to figure out how?

[Hawk]

While I am not a believer in the whole Global Warming Tax thing I wonder what the bosses of the Copenhagen meetings would think if they knew NZ had just made low carbon emission vehicles (motorcycles) more expensive to register than high carbon emission vehicles (cars) and even cars that are fully electric pay higher reg than petrol cars.

hey now wouldnt that make a good letter to the Greens and then sit back and watch want happens

[shrub]

apart from rioting we need some sort of impact, any ideas :beer:

Christmas shopping is about to hit, and if even a couple of hundred bikes hit town and parked in parking places it would cause major havoc - maybe have a series of park in - one in town, one in Westfield, one the Palms, one in Merivale mall?

[knuckles24]

Watch this space, i am putting together a group of keen bikers who are like myself (really fucked off) we will be working out a strategy to put to you bikers, so once we have a game plan we will let you know. all i can say is we are not finished, unlike most other bikers who have bent over and taken it up the arse. :2guns:

[mikeey01]

Knuckles I patiently await your diagnosis on the present situation and a plan for forward movement, once formulated.

[Hawk]

heres something that you may wish to post out
A slightly modified version of one found else where on this forum should print out on A5

[knuckles24]

The path of the righteous biker is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of ACC.
Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the biker through the valley of darkness,
for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost bikers. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and
furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers.
And you will know my name is knuckles when I lay my vengeance upon you Nick Smith.

Loved the real quote from the movie

[The Lone Rider]

Did this for a laugh

Same and it so far seems effective

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Helmets-clothing-footwear/Other/auction-259256791.htm

[mikeey01]

Same and it so far seems effective

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Helmets-clothing-footwear/Other/auction-259256791.htm

lol, classic!

[T.W.R]

Same and it so far seems effective

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Helmets-clothing-footwear/Other/auction-259256791.htm

That actually ranks up there on the stupidity award system :weird:

[Voltaire]

You Christchurch guys are lucky, your only 417kms from Nick Smiths Electorate.
You could combine a great ride with a great protest, camp in Nelson and meet up with the Nelson bikers.
If only Nick Smith was the MP for Taupo....

[ST4s]

Same and it so far seems effective

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Helmets-clothing-footwear/Other/auction-259256791.htm

Its gone now. Care to share the joke ? - it seems not to match Trademe's sense of humour...

[mikeey01]

lol those tardme barstards took it off....
It was a look a like (maybe plastic) bullet with nik smiths name engraved on it.
Reading the sellers spiel the proceeds for the sale were to go to the general battle funds coffers apparently.

[The Lone Rider]

lol those tardme barstards took it off....
It was a look a like (maybe plastic) bullet with nik smiths name engraved on it.
Reading the sellers spiel the proceeds for the sale were to go to the general battle funds coffers apparently.

Trademe didnt refund my listing expenses either

[mikeey01]

Was it you, o shit I'd love to see the comms your gonna get over the next week.

Hell you've more than likely got the lads all upset and them spooks involved by now too.

BTW lads if the spooks can read this, need not bother tapping me, just come around and chat anytime boys.

[The Lone Rider]

Politicians and the government can't do worse than my ex has done with our daughter and child support.

Correction - TM did refund my list fees.

Bids were on Mid $20s.. but it was a friends partner who had that bid.. she thought the bullet was damn funny like 99% of everyone who saw it thought.

[knuckles24]

there are a few of us who are being watched and monitored, i also have a funny clicking noise on my phone when it is in use, landline and cell, telecom fault maybe or maybe not

[T.W.R]

lol those tardme barstards took it off....
It was a look a like (maybe plastic) bullet with nik smiths name engraved on it.
Reading the sellers spiel the proceeds for the sale were to go to the general battle funds coffers apparently.

Legally they wouldn't want to be involved or accompany to something like that :nono:

Just the type of publicity motorcycling doesn't need

Think before you act not act before you think

[Molly]

there are a few of us who are being watched and monitored, i also have a funny clicking noise on my phone when it is in use, landline and cell, telecom fault maybe or maybe not

Mate. I doubt they'd have the resources or inclination. Also, it's the digital age. You wouldn't know if you were being monitored.

[AlpinePossum]

No, no, no, Bad Bad Idea!


lol those tardme barstards took it off....
It was a look a like (maybe plastic) bullet with nik smiths name engraved on it.
Reading the sellers spiel the proceeds for the sale were to go to the general battle funds coffers apparently.

Sigh! Remember the psychology of the conservative politician.... They just _love_ rebellions to crush. Don't give them such easy excuses to call out the spooks and the arm response. (You just know they want to!)

Free spirits fill their nightmares and their favourite wet dreams are filled with the sound of boy racers cars being crushed... to which they'd as gladly add the sound of our bikes being crushed too.

Let's focus on the issues...

* Subgroups such as the bikers being punished for the sins of others.

* Privatization of ACC to make their greedy rich buddies richer at our expense.

* Drunk Idiots in tin cans maiming us.

[sammcj]

I've posted some new Protest Posters under ACC protest graphics. :niceone:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=110719&page=3

More to come soon!

[Hawk]

pinched the billboard from sammcj2000

[Molly]

$80k?! Where did that figure come from?

[sammcj]

$80k?! Where did that figure come from?

Nicks Myth

(can't take credit for that ;) )

[Molly]

Do you think it was mean, median or modal? I bet the modal figure is half that.

[Oakie]

$80k?! Where did that figure come from?

Where would you even get that information from? Census is all I can think of.

[mikeey01]

No, no, no, Bad Bad Idea!

I know and for the record it wasn't me who did it. I was pointed to the auction and just saw it, commented on it and had a little chuckle at it.

I saw the funny (black humour) side of it, nothing else.

[knuckles24]

Hi folks, just to let you know we havn't gone away, keep watching this space there is news to come. :rockon:

[Blue TLS]

:corn:need to do something any excuse for a ride will do me:D

[sammcj]

:corn:need to do something any excuse for a ride will do me:D

Be assured we are working on something.

Great day for a ride today!

[Blue TLS]

Be assured we are working on something.

Great day for a ride today!

Too bloody right off for a ride now, see you all later

[sammcj]

Go put this on your cars:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=110719&page=4#post1129572278

[knuckles24]

I like, have saved a copy of it

[been_there]

Go put this on your cars:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=110719&page=4#post1129572278

Bloody Brill Mate!!!!

[grubby52]

The path of the righteous biker is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of ACC.
Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the biker through the valley of darkness,
for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost bikers. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and
furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers.
And you will know my name is knuckles when I lay my vengeance upon you Nick Smith.

Loved the real quote from the movie

Oh you are showing your poet side well said though :2thumbsup

[The Pink Panther]

I filmed the protest ride via helmet cam utube kept kicking me audio due to copy right jazz so finaly a sound up load. chase the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY54wrpks5k

[knuckles24]

that was cool pink panther

[sammcj]

Some more CHCH action:



ACC Public Equality Group Fundraiser BBQ
23rd January - Repco Northwood



Full A4 Flyer Printout Download -
http://rapidshare.com/files/330099587/ACC_Repco.jpg

http://i722.photobucket.com/albums/ww226/sammcj/ACCRepco-3.jpg

[HondaSTrider]

I filmed the protest ride via helmet cam utube kept kicking me audio due to copy right jazz so finaly a sound up load. chase the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY54wrpks5k

Agreed... very good.
Especially as you follow Broomrider and myself into Izone Drive LOL Always nice to see ones-self "on the telly" as it were! hahahaaaa

[Brian d marge]

Thread dredge !

but I liked that music was good , ( you popped a mono! ,,,,I don't think i could have resisted either !!! )

I know it has been said before, I understand , yes , but its a protest ride as in I am pissed off

all fine and dandy , I know the reasons and respect them. I would have ridden slowly on that day too

BUT

Slippery smith , has made his mind up and nothing short of the springbok tour will change it

Thank you for the vid , most enjoyable !

Stephen

[babysteps]

Hehehehehehe That's my Vespa! Excellent Vid!