My Country right or wong [Archive]

Car Dodger

31st October 2003, 15:13

Im Sick of getting run down by idiots with surposed international licenses.
Im sick of being eye ball by polynesion street gangs
Im sick of the undermining grins and sholder bardges, I get from groups of shit head triads walking down Queens street.
Im going in to just about every shop and cafe in Auckland and forking over $3.20 for ratshit mince pie.
Im sick of watching them hock on the footpath were my son walks to school
Im sick of loosing my Contracts to Asian crews who will do it for a qaurter of the price. and then listing to the customers complain about the quality of the job.

I ride because I can loose myself in my country. I never thought I would be lost in my own country.
I fear for my son.

Car Dodger

31st October 2003, 15:35

:Oops: Sorry about the bad spelling, wrote it in a rush:Oops:

Duke of Rogan

31st October 2003, 15:44

I understand what you mean, espically about the mince pies

nice rave, I was going to suggest you put it in the "rave on" section, but the moderators bet me to it.

SpankMe

31st October 2003, 15:48

Right.

<img src="/images/flag_new_zealand.gif" align="right">You do get the good and the bad when you let hordes of people from foreign cultures into your country. I love the food and the girls :niceone:, but the rest can go back. :p I think we let in a bit too many far too quickly and it has made it hard for us to adjust, assuming we want to adjust.

It makes me think what NZ will be like in a hundred years or so. Probably bloody unrecognizable in terms of people and culture. It might be un-PC, but then I hate PC shit, but I think anyone has a right to want their culture to remain un-diluted from mixing too much with others. Nothing wrong with a bit of diversity, so long as it remains diverse. Given enough time, different cultures living together will merge into something else. Good or bad depends on you view on change.

Car Dodger

31st October 2003, 15:53

Originally posted by Duke of Rogan
I understand what you mean, espically about the mince pies

nice rave, I was going to suggest you put it in the "rave on" section, but the moderators bet me to it.

Oh is that what happened, I thought it must have been classed as offensive:Oops:

SpankMe

31st October 2003, 15:54

Nothing offensive about posting your opinion.

Lou Girardin

31st October 2003, 15:57

Try immigrating to China, Taiwan, Korea, Japan etc; buy a house or three, set up a business dealing solely with Europeans. It wouldn't happen, they protect their culture and way of life.
I know this sounds racist and I don't really dislike Asians, but for god's sake did we need so many all at once.
Lou

Car Dodger

31st October 2003, 15:59

Originally posted by SpankMe
Nothing offensive about posting your opinion.

Just got a little peeved because I nearly got bumped off the motorway, yet again by yet another.
I try to keep an open mind, but my patience only goes so far!!!

Duke of Rogan

31st October 2003, 16:01

it wouldn't be so bad if the bakery's could make a decent steak & mushroom pie:p

whats scary is that the countries that these people immigrated from don't even notice that they've gone!

Andrew

31st October 2003, 16:01

When people's lives are in danger, being politically correct should take a back seat. :angry2:

Nouseforaname

31st October 2003, 16:32

i got on the bus last night ( no licence u see:angry2: ) and it was packed...... everyone was asian except me, 30 people and i was the only white guy...

Im not rascist, i hate everyone equally

Motu

31st October 2003, 16:34

They have gridlock in Asian countries - and now we are getting gridlock in Auckland...BECAUSE THESE IMPORTS CAN"T FUCKING DRIVE FOR SHIT!!! They are absolutly fucking hopeless - how the FUCK do they get a bloody license???? They sit at an intersection for ages,missing all the easy gaps - then they pull out into moving traffic! can't park...dither,dither - FUCKING HOPELESS!!!!

Nice people - I have an Chinese guy working for me....can't drive for SHIT!!!
:done:

Car Dodger

31st October 2003, 17:25

Opening the flood gates offers the Govt more revenue in tax collecting exersises, Foreigners will comply to insance Tax laws, because to them it could always be worse, ie ( Back Home).
The by product of tax paying immagrants is all the little under the table immagrant workers pulling the carpet out from under us, as we the suckers try to play by the rules. Another by product is all these little bullshit foreign cars, which will offer alot of seed but little or no protection, and inflation to thrive. As Kiwis we are being laughed at by our own Govt.

Jackrat

31st October 2003, 17:55

So why don,t you start an action group.
You could call it NGATI HONKY,ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Don,t mind riding a paddle head bike tho, Aye!!!ha ha ha ha.
So why don,t YOU go back were your ancestors came from,Fuckin over stayers,Ha Ha Ha.What load,a utter bullshit,I thought this was supposed to be a bike site not a forem for racist dick heads.Your
country,said who,if you can,t compete,piss off,ha ha ha ha ha.
:argh:
So how do you think a lot of maori people see you.
Oh yeah thats different,right.

SpankMe

31st October 2003, 18:17

Originally posted by Jackrat
I thought this was supposed to be a bike siteHence the category title "off topic" :)

Maybe we should ALL leave and give the country back to the birds. :p since they were the only creatures here before people started arriving.

wkid_one

31st October 2003, 18:29

Hmmm - rampant racism is not my scene.

Without Asians - I couldn't enjoy my authentic Thai Green Curry and with no Indians - I would have no Chicken Tikka Masala.  Without Pacific Islanders - KFC would not have become the fine eating establishment it is.

I think the key to success is co-habitation.  Many foreigners come here and surround themselves with their own nationality - what is the point?  Why come to NZ and congregate with the same people that you would at home?  Kiwis do this in the UK - spend all that money getting there, to spend all their time socialising with other Kiwi's.   It wouldn't be such a problem if they developed an understanding of NZ and its culture - but rather they try and exist in a NZ culture with a foreign mentality - and that is where the problem arises.  This is a two edged sword as we don't accept them either

I have many NZ born asian friends who don't have a problem - also Pacific Islander and further abroad - the problem comes from non-integration.

My rant is o v e r

 

 

merv

31st October 2003, 20:15

You all had a chance to vote for Winston at the last election so what happened? He wanted to help slow down immigration and you didn't give him a chance.

Wellington doesn't seem to have anywhere near the crowd of Asians you guys are talking about so maybe it helps its all happening a bit slower down here.

I've said before the biggest problem I meet on the highway down here are the oh so slow polynesian taxi drivers and families in their even more painfully slow Bongo diesel vans, and then there are the mostly white businessman who seemed to have been born before they had indicators in vehicles.

An arsehole in a Bighorn changed two lanes in front of me going round the roundabout after coming off the Ewen bridge in Lower Hutt today, so I passed him to get out of the way and then I see in my mirror he changes back one lane, again without indicating. You'd think they had blowon fuses huh! Nah it just pig-ignorant laziness and arrogance not to drive properly.

So I would have to say I don't see much bad driving from Asians.

MikeL

31st October 2003, 21:36

Racism = pre-judging a person solely on the basis of ethnicity. Racism is inherently unfair, because it assumes that any individual will conform to a pre-determined stereotype.

Unfortunately the word "racism" has also come to mean any attitude that is critical of the behaviour of ethnic groups as a whole, or of social or demographic trends involving particular ethnic groups. To stifle rational debate on these issues with accusations of "racism" is also unfair.

There are valid and serious questions that need to be asked about our immigration policy. Integration is not happening. What we have gained in diversity and colour we have lost in congestion, inflated property prices, crime and above all, a sense of identity and community.

I too can appreciate the benefits of multiculturalism when I'm looking for a restaurant. What I resent is feeling like a foreigner in my own city.

Marmoot

31st October 2003, 21:37

Dudes, I can see your point of view, men.
But stereotyping is just wrong.

You see, I'm an Asian. Even when I try to convince myself you guys weren't talking about me, I still feel hated.
When I walk in the city, some whites shouted at me.
When I talk to parking warden, he told me to go back home.
When I drive, people think I'm a boyracer.
When I ride, people think I'm just waiting to crash.
When I apply for job, I don't even stand a chance.
When I do my job, people look down on me.

And you know what's the worst? I'M NOT EVEN CHINESE!

I don't speak chinese. I don't read chinese. I can speak English. But heck, they don't care. I'm just "another chinese".

Say you're not racist? You sure look like some.

Heck, that's normal, I guess.....every human has some racist in them. But in this course, you'd be looking at yourself as another 3rd world country a few years from now where there will be racewars. Wake up and shake up, NZ. You were much more beautiful a few years ago.

Duke of Rogan

31st October 2003, 22:12

Originally posted by Jackrat
So why don,t YOU go back were your ancestors came from,Fuckin over stayers,Ha Ha Ha.

I think my ancestors got run out of France to save their heads...

I reckon the real problem is that NZ is a small country trying to survive in a big bucks world, so the dick-heads in charge (mostly white males) decided to allow a lot of immigrants in, but didn't think of when to stop.

Duke of Rogan

31st October 2003, 22:24

Originally posted by Marmoot
Say you're not racist? You sure look like some.
.... Wake up and shake up, NZ. You were much more beautiful a few years ago.

true and true

but I feel its not about racism but preserving what we have (or had) for the future, note car-dodgers last comment originally.

with the sad state of the world these days, little ol' NZ still appears the safest place to be, and it would be oh-so easy to allow anyone to immigrate here and collect from them on the way past.
but how long would it take for the population number to exceed the capacity of the current infrastructure?
my point is the government has been collecting but not investing in the immigration boom, nor controlling it.

Motu

31st October 2003, 22:41

I'm not rasist Jack,far from it (I have holes in my cheeks from tongue damage) it's the lowering of driving standards that gets me - we need better drivers in this day and age....lots of Asians and East Europeans have never owned a car before they came here,we grew up with them in our blood.They need intense education in this matter,not special easy license tests and sent out on the road to cope - they are in over their heads.

I employed a Chinese guy because I want to help him realise a dream he had living in a world I can't comprehend - it's a tough road for me,but I want him to learn about us and our country,maybe I can learn something from him....I don't care - he's happy,I'm humble.

matthewt

31st October 2003, 23:29

I think the perception of asian drivers has a lot to do with how easy it is to get a license here compared to overseas. I lived in South East Asia for nearly 3 years and I never once thought the ability of the general driver population was below any other city I've been to.

I was based in Singapore and when the locals were explaining to me the amount of work they had to do to get their license I couldn't believe it. They have to do far more than we do, couple this with the fact that most don't drive because it's not practical to own a car in some grid-locked cities when the public transport is usually fairly good (like most high density cities). To put things in perspective Singapore has nearly the population on NZ in an area the size of Lake Taupo.

So then you get some young asians come over here to study or whatever, they buy a car becuase it's not practical to rely on public transport here and they aren't getting the amount of training they would get at home. A lot probably don't have the sort of family support that I had when I learnt to drive.

Part of this also is that whenever an asian is involved in a traffic related incident then it tends to play to the stereo-type because it sticks in our mind. It's like this, I own a MV and dropped it in April crossing rail tracks in the wet. Now I was being careful and I'm sure I won't be the last person to do that but you wouldn't believe the number of people who knew the details of that event. It's not because the spill was of any interest except that a MV was involved. Likewise we tend to remember all the shitty things an asian driver may do while forgetting the other 90% of drivers because they don't seem of interest to us except for doing something stupid while driving.

I know what it's like to be the odd one out in a big city and it's not pretty.

Marmoot

1st November 2003, 06:41

exactly, and don't you think stereotyping and judging/prejudicing people by their look alone is classified as racism?

One other thing, though, we tend to overlook this problem when concerning about driving attitude is that the public transport in NZ (and especially Auckland) is not developed well enough to be efficient.
For instance, if I take bus to go to work it will cost me $6 a day while a car (including gas, depreciation and maintenance) is costing me much less than that. Plus, there is the extraordinary wait time (around 1 bus every hour) and great walking distance to bus stop (about 1km).
Now, if the common situation is like this, surely people tend to get cars as soon as they can afford it just to avoid public system, right? That could be where the problem started.

Motu

1st November 2003, 07:49

Interesting that you put stereotyping in with rasisim Marmoot,coming to work this morning I was thinking of posting about this.

I hate being called rasist(my wife does) but I'm happy to be a stereotypist....because that's what I am - I put people into boxes with labels.Unfortunatly most of these labels give a country of origin or race,it's easy and it works.

Damn,getting busy here,maybe I'll come back later,maybe not.

bikerboy

1st November 2003, 09:06

Well interesting thread guys. I think MikeL, mathiew, Wikid and Marmoot make good points. :)

I think some of the things "we" call racism are just frustrations being vented without real malice. I am not a NZ'er and when I came here had lived in a city with a large visible asian ciommunity. I never really thought of these "people" as different. But, I think the reason was despite their pride of culture and semi detachment most of these people were second and third genereation americans, so they really thought and acted in a similar way.

Here in NZ the "foreigners" are first generation or very recent immigrants and have yet to integrate into society in general. I must say the lady that tipped my bike over was polyinesean and my immediate reaction was typical foreigner, but just because my culture is anglo saxon like NZ, I'm more of a outsider than she due to the historic relationship.

I certainly don't like racism and try to fight it, but I do become impatient with those who don't appear to blend in. I guess we realy are just reacting to difference and change. I guess both sides can make an effort to accomodate each other, however I really understand all these comments and have found myself sharing them at times, embarassing as it is to admit.:done:

georgedubyabush

1st November 2003, 09:28

Well it's all your fault anyway... You non breeders.

The country wouldn't need so many immigrants without the aging population we have. And Auckland homeowners wouldnt be rubbing their hands with glee at the sight of their current house valuation.

I mean, how else is the economy going to grow? Good leadership???

Marmoot

1st November 2003, 09:53

Come to think of it, BB, you actually look like Hawaian Japanese. Where r u from originally?

But, seriously: stereotyping some might argue to be different than racism. Regardless, even if it is not the same, it leads to racism behaviour in a very quick way. If you have a set of prejudice on someone, it is very easy to not be nice to them. Just need 1 small trigger and you'll hate them. Don't you agree?

In the long run, the aftereffect will be VERY bad. Why? because once you treat someone badly, the natural reaction is he will hate you as well. That will lead to race division and hatred between each other. Once it gets to this stage, it is very hard (if not impossible) to reconcile.
I speak of this based on experience. Indonesia used to be a peaceful community. Until the politics got the better of it, and the leaders started putting people into boxes (motu?). They did this based on the principle that if the society is busy fighting each other, they will be too busy to spot the corruption in the elites.
Of course, in a short term of time, people started hating each other based simply on religion and/or race. Then, the separatists started. Before long, bombs started to explode in churches, and some rioting with thousands of casualties occured (heads on stake, anyone? It is true....)

Now, the authority is trying to approach it with iron fist since noone has ears or heart anymore. It works to some extend...the peace start to return. But it is only virtual peace, in which people still hate each other and there is no sense of security.

So, take a look at yourself and think about this for a minute.

Motu

1st November 2003, 10:58

I think racism implies hatred and intolerance,regardless of individuals,that's not me.Someone has to prove their arseholeness to me before I will hate them,nice people are nice people.

OK,some of my boxes are full of negatives - not my problem,I just file the data.

I have some outstaning debts in my buisness,a few hundred here,some more here,times ten - we are talking a fair bit eh - 90% of the debtors go in one racial box.One box has zero debts - never ever not paid - I target these 100% payers,advertise in their newspapers and use their writing in my Yellow Pages add.Selective racism maybe?

Marmoot

1st November 2003, 11:22

Selective racism is very humane, motu. We all have a bit in ourselves.
Fighting it and trying to not hate someone until it's proven that person is bad is not too humane and getting quite rare nowadays, unfortunately.....:o

Jackrat

1st November 2003, 22:48

Iv,e lived in two other countrys beside NZ,I was the outsider an I listened to the same thing I,m hearing here,Only it was about me.
He took my job,He won,t mix with the locals,He don,t understand
our road rules,All kiwi,s are druggys,kiwi,s are violent,Ect ect ect.
I had a job when the locals didn,t because I wanted it more,I didn,t mix with the locals because they didn,t even bother to cover the fact they hated me.So why bother.
In every day traffic I could and will be cut off and messed with by people of all types.It seems to depend more on where I am than anything.In Remuera it will be some white bitch or male yuppie in a BMW,In Otara it will be an Islander in a Van,Out west it will be some white mullet head in a Jap import.Do you know what race the guy on the Triumph that killed the girl up north was.I do because he comes from my home town,I knew the guy,he was a pain in the arse,P pushing thief an no one around here is sorry to see him gone,And he was a good old boy Kiwi,Thru an Thru,
I enjoy people from other countrys,I like to see them in NZ as they add a bit of much needed flavour.An by the way the Asian bakery out my way makes choise pies.If you feel threatened in your own country,grow a back bone because it ain,t gonn,a change.And as far as every one being a little Racist,Bullshit you can count me out of that,If I decide I dislike somebody it will be for a real reason an nothing to do with their race.NZ is a mixed race country,it always has been,get used to it.It will always crack me up when I have to listen to some self obsessed white boy bitching about Asians when he rides a Jap bike,buys crap from the wharehouse made in China or taiwan.Sorry guys but when ever I hear this type of thing I can,t help but label the people doing it as blind fools,if nothing else it,s called evolution,you can,t fight it.In a hundred years you probably won,t see a white face in NZ,:2thumbsup

wkid_one

2nd November 2003, 08:13

So so so so so true and well spoken Jack

If I decide I dislike somebody it will be for a real reason an nothing to do with their race.NZ is a mixed race country,it always has been,get used to it.It will always crack me up when I have to listen to some self obsessed white boy bitching about Asians when he rides a Jap bike,buys crap from the wharehouse made in China or taiwan.Sorry guys but when ever I hear this type of thing I can,t help but label the people doing it as blind fools,if nothing else it,s called evolution,you can,t fight it.In a hundred years you probably won,t see a white face in NZ

 

bikerboy

2nd November 2003, 09:22

Marmoot, I'm from the US, and it is a bit of american indian that make me people think I'm part asian. As such I have experienced some of what you speak. Once in the US, friends and i went into a store, my friends Am japanese, were fellow architects. The lady asked if we were brothers, we said no ..work mates. She asked what we did. WE told her architects and she replied in total sincerity, I haven't seen many pagodas in Seattle.

I was furious and told her so. Later my friends said don't worry about it, happens all the time. :argh:

Jack is right however is a transgression happens more than once then the stereotype begins which gets spread and eventually leads to racism. ie-asians are bad drivers.

Marmoot is right in that each of us must make an effort to be pissed off at the individual, and not take the next step into generalizations.

Unless you've experienced prejudice it's easy to apply it.

Marmoot

2nd November 2003, 16:54

Good one guys, that's the New Zealand I knew once (and that's what makes NZ different than Australia).
Let's just hope that that true NZ value stays, coz in the end we're just the same flesh n blood.

wkid_one

2nd November 2003, 18:12

Hey M - how is the rebuild of the 'blade going?  You could buy my 02 R1 off me so I can buy the new 04 when it comes out soon?

Car Dodger

3rd November 2003, 08:13

Originally posted by Jackrat
It will always crack me up when I have to listen to some self obsessed white boy bitching about Asians when he rides a Jap bike,buys crap from the wharehouse made in China or taiwan.Sorry guys but when ever I hear this type of thing I can,t help but label the people doing it as blind fools,if nothing else it,s called evolution,you can,t fight it.In a hundred years you probably won,t see a white face in NZ,:2thumbsup

Gee Jack, get your nickers in a twist way dont ya.
I like people from all races and I love diversity. But I dont have to like the bullshit driving, I dont have to like being undercut by a non tax-paying cowboy, I dont have to like paying $ 1.80 for a choc bar that was $1.10 a few days before, I dont have to like gang violence.
Besides Mr steriotyper how do you now I'm a White boy?:Oops:

Car Dodger

3rd November 2003, 09:27

Hi Guys.

I have predictably opened a smelly can of worms here.
At the time I wrote it I was pissed off. I dont take back what I have written. But I would like to apoligise to those who I may have offended.
We all have to put up with each other, and no matter how shitty we might get, nothing will ever be change that the Govt cant make money on. I dont think my comments were unfair or uneducated, probably just in the wrong place.:gob:

Jackrat

3rd November 2003, 09:51

Well mr dodger it was you that had their knickers in a twist,I am only taking the piss out of an eazy target,If you want to come across as a whinger don,t exspect me not to come to the party.
You sound like every other moaner Iv,e ever heard trying to blame it all on THEM.
White boy,,,I mean bitch,,So solly, he he he

Car Dodger

3rd November 2003, 10:03

Originally posted by Jackrat
Well mr dodger it was you that had their knickers in a twist,I am only taking the piss out of an eazy target,If you want to come across as a whinger don,t exspect me not to come to the party.
You sound like every other moaner Iv,e ever heard trying to blame it all on THEM.
White boy,,,I mean bitch,,So solly, he he he

Why cant I moan. everybody does even you.
Who said I was blaming it on "THEM" maybe I was referring to a Govt that wont do anything about it.
I respect your opinion Jack, but I dont think theres any need for name calling.

750Y

3rd November 2003, 10:35

too many sheep in NZ. dam white, short, curly haired,big nosed bastids. eating up all our grass, causing all manner of other damage & polluting our pristine environment. Can't hardly cross a paddock these days without tripping in a sheep rut or seeing them everywhere & they always stick together, never mingling & trying to be a part of 'our culture' they're taking up all our land. I'm sick of seeing the dirty dagg ridden backsides & they shit & piss wherever they like. what's nz coming too? and what is the government doing about it I ask myself? nothing that's what. I reckon they should all be sent back where they come from, & don't even get me started on those other big 4 legged bastids, dam cows they're just as bad too. are you with me people?, lets all go & live on Waiheke island together, yah!
zzz

Car Dodger

3rd November 2003, 10:39

Originally posted by 750Y
lets all go & live on Waiheke island together, yah!
zzz

Is'nt there sheep & cows on Waiheke ???:confused:

750Y

3rd November 2003, 10:50

Originally posted by Car Dodger
Is'nt there sheep & cows on Waiheke ???:confused:

now this is exactly what i'm talking about!!, they're everywhere!, can't seem to get away from them! they're taking over our country. soon they'll be eating at our table. arm yourselves people.

Car Dodger

3rd November 2003, 10:57

Originally posted by 750Y
soon they'll be eating at our table. arm yourselves people.

Now come on man, I have a good freind thats a cow and my girlfriend is a sheep. ( Baaabra )

750Y

3rd November 2003, 11:13

Originally posted by Car Dodger
Now come on man, I have a good freind thats a cow and my girlfriend is a sheep. ( Baaabra )

lol, as a young BUCK i used to dream of riding a Cowasaki! how about ewe? (no offence to your girlfriend I'm sure she's a 1 in 60 million).

Lou Girardin

3rd November 2003, 14:37

Let's all get together this Sunday, wear our white sheets and roast those sheep bastards. ( cows too!)
Lou

Car Dodger

3rd November 2003, 14:41

Originally posted by Lou Girardin
Let's all get together this Sunday, wear our white sheets and roast those sheep bastards. ( cows too!)
Lou

I'll bring the Rednecks and beer.!!:eek:

750Y

3rd November 2003, 15:10

Originally posted by Car Dodger
I'll bring the Rednecks and beer.!!:eek:

lol
yeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaa! speights for eveyone!

Car Dodger

3rd November 2003, 15:15

Originally posted by 750Y
lol
yeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaa! speights for eveyone!

You can have speights, I'll have the Steinlager.
But I dont own a banjo.

scumdog

3rd November 2003, 16:12

Down here we DO get Asian drivers that don't know about two-lane roads, yellow lines, speed limits, gravel roads - these guys are the tourists that rental car companies hand the keys to without explaining the road rules in N.Z., the poor buggers don't stand a chance - they have done most of their driving in grid-locked cities or multi laned freeways.
The dudes from Europe are almost as bad - they keep left as long as they remember or see other cars on the road but lookout in the back country roads, they pull out of picnic spots and drive on the right-hand side of the road until they hit someone (or nearly do) - you would think the steering wheel location would be a good hint they ain't at home.
Tour companie don't help either - they jack up a three day tour of the South Island and list about 40 quadjillion scenic spots that they tell the tourist "you better not miss" this or that so they scortch their campervan around the place like they are in the Le Mans 24 hour - only with no relief driver.
Just my casual observations :done:

Coldkiwi

3rd November 2003, 16:50

My thoughts

1) if our licencing system was better ALL our drivers would probably be a bit more alert and able to avoid accidents. I see and have to avoid plenty of dodgy drivers, male, female, white, asian, polynesian... you name it.

2) If your local bakery isn't doing good pies go find another one! I have been to some mighty fine Asian bakeries with some well wicked pies. If you don't know where to start, get yourself out to Muzza's Pies in Howick. Now owned by an Asian dude (The original Muzza has gone to set up much needed shops in Aussie where they really don't know what a good meat pie is) but made to the same original high standards.

(As much as I'd love to comment on racism, the far shallower topic of a decent meat pie is much more intriguing to me so I'll stop right there)

 :niceone:

Jackrat

3rd November 2003, 18:53

Hmmmm,OK feel free to call me anything you like,Just spell it right.
Damn there I go AGAIN:o

Jackrat

3rd November 2003, 18:59

Coldkiwi, you have a darn good point there,My personal favorite
is the bakery at Dury,Cheese an steak,chicken,bacon an egg,Hmmmmmmmm, :2thumbsup :2thumbsup :2thumbsup

Marmoot

3rd November 2003, 19:33

750Y: NZ is damn apartheid! 4 million race ruling over 20 million sheeps. Not to mention selective slavery and genocide over the lambing!
But, hey.....they do taste nice, so :rockon:

mangell6

3rd November 2003, 19:56

I have been watching this thread and my initial thoughts when I read the start of it haven't changed.

A few years ago, when NZ wasn't that big, I lived at the Mount. OK it was more than a few, like the early seventies. Anyway we always complained about the tourists that would come to the Mount from far off distance places, like Wellington, during the holiday (tourist) season.

We didn't mind there females coming up from Wgtn, but those others that they brought with them, they hung around together, (like gangs) annoyed the shit out of us locals. Some even had the ordacity (sp?) to stay permanently.

Roll on a few years and this thread is about the same thing. We now have a 'global' country and in our little 'town' we have people who come from other 'towns' and 'cities' to visit us and even stay.

Some things never change, like name calling, expressing an opinion, having a really good rant, although in society now all of this seems to be frowned upon because you might offend someone.

I have always decided who and what offends me, no-one else can do that for me.

Oops ranting, getting way off topic, we were talking about PIES!!!

How about a ride through-out the country visiting the "official pie" winners that get announced each year.

Or

we could have a pie shop crawl, pub-crawls are frowned upon for some reason :p , and the KB'rs could list the names and addresses of their favourite pie shop and we could visit them all and have a pie in each one.

Mike

PS Wasn't the MotoGP entertaining (250s)

duckman

4th November 2003, 09:50

Finally were starting to make some sense. Now how do we get a list of the best pie shops in the north island??

Although - I dont want any of those "foreign" pies !! :p

aff-man

4th November 2003, 10:35

I suppose it's time for my two cents worth. My name is aff-man and I..... am a foreigner. Yes i am a saffa. And i know all about racism my history is full of it, i also know about a good mince and cheese pie. I think it's all based on statistics the two main groups of people i have problems on the road with are asians and old people. And majority like 90% are women. Does this make me a racist, a sexist a bigot even ,no, and why, because the statistics prove that these groups of people are who i have the most trouble with when on the roads. As to pies well i have had some decent pies in saffa-land but nothing beats a good mince and cheese pie made almost anywhere in nz.:niceone: