Public backlash begins

[babey8]

Just got 3 emails from friends over the last hour about a new facebook group setup that doesn't look good if your a acc levy protester:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=178531258126

[Mully]

"John Smith" started the group.

Interesting. I'll enjoy watching where this goes.

[zahria]

"John Smith" started the group.

Interesting. I'll enjoy watching where this goes.

Be funny if all the members of that group were bikers...

[Laxi]

joined the group and posted
get your facts streight "john smith" there are no organised protests aimed at the public, a lone group of 5 or 6 bikes does not constitute an organised protest! I'd be interested to know why you're afraid to put your name where your mouth is, nick smith has lied to the nation, commited illegal acts, (did you know the law states that ACC is not to promote itself as an insurance company yet the return emails from mr smiths office return as "ACC insurance)and guided ACC towards privatisation! motorcyclists are just the begining, and far from trying to affect the public, we need their support so we dont end up with asystem like america, where an injury can mean months in court and a huge legal bill, the only winners in that system are lawyers and insurance companys
he'll just delete it probably but oh well

[Maha]

We could all turn up in fuckin' cars, would that help?

[bogan]

lol, we must destroy this group. Just joined and loled at the member area, join smith, and two guys with bikes in thier profile pics!!!

[Big Dan]

joined the group and posted
get your facts streight "john smith" there are no organised protests aimed at the public, a lone group of 5 or 6 bikes does not constitute an organised protest! I'd be interested to know why you're afraid to put your name where your mouth is, nick smith has lied to the nation, commited illegal acts, (did you know the law states that ACC is not to promote itself as an insurance company yet the return emails from mr smiths office return as "ACC insurance)and guided ACC towards privatisation! motorcyclists are just the begining, and far from trying to affect the public, we need their support so we dont end up with asystem like america, where an injury can mean months in court and a huge legal bill, the only winners in that system are lawyers and insurance companys
he'll just delete it probably but oh well

why don't all KB members join and cut and paste what laxi just wrote

he'll be to busy in deleting stuff and might just delete the group

i'll start

[allycatz]

We could all turn up in fuckin' cars, would that help?


Lets just replicate the bikoi with 6000 cars and see what the traffic jams are....where do people with cars get off thinking they have more rights than bikes on the road anyway

[Mully]

I smell a rat. In this thread.

[bogan]

I smell a rat. In this thread.

yeh, one post and it warning us bout this, hmmmmmm. Suspicious, maybe they justs want number for their anti bike group, so are gonna get those numbers off a bike site :confused:

[Laxi]

yeh, one post and it warning us bout this, hmmmmmm. Suspicious, maybe they justs want number for their anti bike group, so are gonna get those numbers off a bike site :confused:

keep your freinds close... your enemys even closer... :lol:

[Big Dan]

Joined the site today and has no info and also has no friends on facebook profile and only just one post on this thread

[bogan]

keep your freinds close... your enemys even closer... :lol:

so where does one put freinemys then? somewhere between akward close, and sexual harrasment close?

[davereid]

I smell a rat. In this thread.

But its just a little rat.. a babey one so dont worry about it

[Ronin]

FB T&C requires the use of a real name...... point a complaint in the right direction and they might do something about it.

[Brian d marge]

This, or even the face book link should be in the Jokes and humor section

surely ,,, it has to be a joke ,,,no one could be that......

hmmm yes they can,,,,,,

As you were


Stephen

[Nasty]

Won't let me post on the wall .. maybe they have packed a sad :(




Everyone has the right to their own opinion .. and you have yours. Unfortuantely, you appear to be somewhat misguided, have you decided this on your own - and not bothered to read anything that is out there about the mission bay protest.

I, personally, have very right to go to a cafe and purchase breakfast - it doesn't matter what type of vehicle I choose to take - but IF I choose to take my motorcycle I can generally take up much less room, utilise less resources (carbon footprint) etc. The costs of the proposed ACC levy response will force a number of riders back into cars - this is one of the points of this demonstration.

How will the proposed levies affect other people who utilise the facilities around our fine cities and country towns if this should happen. How will businesses be affected that rely on motorcycle trade in order to survive - there are many of these throughout the coutry.

From your OP you wish to diminish the rights of road users in general - have you considered the impact of the proposed changes to ACC on yourself? They include almost doubling the car registration costs, upping employer and employee levies, and taking more off all users at the petrol pump.

The motorcyclists campaign is also being used to educate a rather uneducated public on these issues, or are you just willing to let this slip in and pay through the nose when ACC has yet to provide any figures worth a grain of salt in evidence of these changes. ACC has choosen to have the public focus on the motorcycle issue, in order to hide the other rises in the report. Out of the 2500 responses to the proposal I hope that yours was one - as you are targetted as well as the rest of us.

Motorcyclists are right ... this campaign in general has the theme WHO'S NEXT. Believe me IT IS YOU and those LIKE YOU who choose to ignore what is happening and complain when others have decided that it is not good enough.

[mashman]

Just got 3 emails from friends over the last hour about a new facebook group setup that doesn't look good if your a acc levy protester:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=178531258126

Thanks for posting babey8! We need to know what the rest of NZ is thinking, so we can hopefully educate them in the art of smelling "bullshit" Still no icon ha ha) when they're fed it by the government.

[oldrider]

Just got 3 emails from friends over the last hour about a new facebook group setup that doesn't look good if your a acc levy protester:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=178531258126

I don't believe this "John Smith" is for real, maybe it's ACC or AA in disguise! :shifty:

You wouldn't believe how these common names get abused like this!

How would I know? Listen, I will say this only once! My real name is "John Jones"! :yes:

[Maha]

I don't believe this "John Smith" is for real, maybe it's ACC or AA in disguise! :shifty:

You wouldn't believe how these common names get abused like this!

How would I know? Listen, I will say this only once! My real name is "John Jones"! :yes:

Mines.. Thadious Ordingous Jehova Wainwright III
But people just call me Mark.

[Hans]

What makes anyone think this is anything else than an act of the state against us?

[McJim]

Lets just replicate the bikoi with 6000 cars and see what the traffic jams are....where do people with cars get off thinking they have more rights than bikes on the road anyway

Motorcyclists think they have more rights than cyclists too! Go figure.

[huff3r]

Motorcyclists think they have more rights than cyclists too! Go figure.

The thing ive always wondered about this is... if all vehicles pay "road user charges" either independently, or through taxes on petrol, in order to use our roads, then how come cyclists get a free ride? I get that they do less damage to the roads, so they should pay less then shouldnt they? Not nothing...

[Tank]

pfft - john smith is a fake profile. Click on report and it will be closed down.

I have - the more that do - the faster it will be closed down.

As for public backlash - 6500 people in wellington was a backlash - one dipshit on face book isnt quite in the same league.

[p.dath]

The thing ive always wondered about this is... if all vehicles pay "road user charges" either independently, or through taxes on petrol, in order to use our roads, then how come cyclists get a free ride? I get that they do less damage to the roads, so they should pay less then shouldnt they? Not nothing...

Cyclists have their ACC deducted from their wages as it is considered a recreational past time.

But I don't think we should be pointing the finger, saying what about them, what about me.

We should be pushing forward on the Woodhouse principles. It's about everyone contributing for the good of the community. That I believe is what Woodhouse was trying to have implemented.

And if the cost is too great for all of us to bear, then we need to help those who need it the most, and work down form there. And yes, that means lots of people with minor issues may miss out. And it means entitlements for some things will have to be dropped.

[MacD]

Cyclists have their ACC deducted from their wages as it is considered a recreational past time.


Correct, but so do motorcyclists for recreational accidents. Where an accident is determined to be recreational (cyclist or motorcyclist - i.e. off-road) the costs are placed against the Earner's Account.

When an accident involving a cyclist or motorcyclist occurs on-road, the costs are placed against the Motor Vehicle account. Only owners of registered vehicles and petrol-users pay directly into the motor vehicle account.

ACC claims that these categories are kept separate, however there is evidence from hospital surveys that off-road motorcycle accidents are being charged against the Motor Vehicle account due to errors made by hospital staff in form filling.

[Mully]

pfft - john smith is a fake profile. Click on report and it will be closed down.

I have - the more that do - the faster it will be closed down.

How do we do that??

EDIT: Never mind. Figured it out. My Facebook is in Pirate English, so it's a bit hard to understand sometimes

[Tank]

Cyclists have their ACC deducted from their wages as it is considered a recreational past time.

Surprisingly - most of us have deductions taken from our pay also.

Also - a huge %age of bikes are purely recreational.

[Tank]

Just got 3 emails from friends over the last hour about a new facebook group setup that doesn't look good if your a acc levy protester:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=178531258126

Just noticed - you post this within 20 mins of joining - me thinks you might be John Smith.

Just for that - Im going to turn up on Sunday with the mother of god - loud pipes - you're welcome.

[Papa Bear]

The thing ive always wondered about this is... if all vehicles pay "road user charges" either independently, or through taxes on petrol, in order to use our roads, then how come cyclists get a free ride? I get that they do less damage to the roads, so they should pay less then shouldnt they? Not nothing...

Maybe they need to put a hubo on their cycles and buy RUC and have that on display why riding !!! :buggerd:

[Toaster]

Just for that - Im going to turn up on Sunday with the mother of god - loud pipes - you're welcome.

You named your bike MARY???

[Maha]

You named your bike MARY???

I think history/fiction will tell us that Mary was the mother of Jesus not God, no one really knows where God came from (possibly Utah?) or from whom for that matter, thats an even greater mystery.

[Tank]

You named your bike MARY???

yeah - she was a screamer. :2thumbsup

[Oakie]

How would I know? Listen, I will say this only once! My real name is "John Jones"! :yes:

I am happy to verify this for I knew Mr Jones in a previous life.

[Pedrostt500]

I am happy to verify this for I knew Mr Jones in a previous life.

I knew sombody once, but for the life of me can't remember them.

[The Pastor]

there is 3 members.

[Skyryder]

I smell a rat. In this thread.

Quick call the xterminator.


Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Mines.. Thadious Ordingous Jehova Wainwright III
But people just call me Mark.


I knew a guy Thomas. Watt.


Everyone just called him Twat.

Skyryder

[Tank]

Just got 3 emails from friends over the last hour about a new facebook group setup that doesn't look good if your a acc levy protester:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=178531258126

3 emails in a hour about a group with 3 members.

You so full of bullshit your eyes are turning brown.

[Drew]

I had to join the group, to make comment. So I feel doubly wronged!

[Maha]

3 emails in a hour about a group with 3 members.

You so full of bullshit your eyes are turning brown.

babey8 aka John Smith?

[oldrider]

Riding over to Wanaka today, I couldn't help thinking about those damn "Share the road" notices with a pushbike and a car side by side motif painted on them!

Why don't we get stickers that say "OK but lets share the ACC costs as well" and put them on every one of those signs?

Have you got those signs everywhere else? Or are they just in the Lindis pass area?

If they are able to be peeled off without ruining the signs, we can't be accused of being vandals!

Just a thought, anyone else got any suggestions?

I'm going to enquire in Oamaru how much they would cost to make.

If they are not too expensive I might get some made and stick them on the local signs myself.

[babey8]

yeh, one post and it warning us bout this, hmmmmmm. Suspicious, maybe they justs want number for their anti bike group, so are gonna get those numbers off a bike site :confused:

what? i've made more than 1 post. i made my first post at 21:41 here:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=111029

This is my second post at 21:50

Somethings wrong with this forum not updating the post counts.

I have no idea who john smith is. look in the whitepages phone book and there are heaps of J smith's. it is a pretty common name. doesn't mean it's a fake.

i have not joined the facebook group nor have my friends but we have all looked at it. i agree with the facebook group though. even on this forum there is a Mission bay protest thread that reads:

We also will be supporting the local businesses so they are not disadvantaged because of this protest action.

So it may be a get together but part of it is still a protest as the thread says:

If we do it right, there wont be any parking for cars available, highlighting the fact that if these bastards tax us off the roads

[Insanity_rules]

babey8 aka John Smith?

I think your on to something there my friend. Could be a bored shit stirer or maybe something a little more sinister. Face book requires real names be used so watch out people.

Now I'm off to play cards with the Yeti, Elvis, Michael Jackson and DB Cooper.

[Nasty]

what? i've made more than 1 post. i made my first post at 21:41 here:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=111029

This is my second post at 21:50

Somethings wrong with this forum not updating the post counts.

I have no idea who john smith is. look in the whitepages phone book and there are heaps of J smith's. it is a pretty common name. doesn't mean it's a fake.

i have not joined the facebook group nor have my friends but we have all looked at it. i agree with the facebook group though. even on this forum there is a Mission bay protest thread that reads:

We also will be supporting the local businesses so they are not disadvantaged because of this protest action.

So it may be a get together but part of it is still a protest as the thread says:

If we do it right, there wont be any parking for cars available, highlighting the fact that if these bastards tax us off the roads

This post is not in a part of the forum that adds to the post count - hence it not going up.

[Maha]

Love MDU's pic on the link!!........:lol:

[ManDownUnder]

Why don't we get stickers that say "OK but lets share the ACC costs as well" and put them on every one of those signs?

Like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Like it lots!

[Dean]

babey8.
You joined on the day you posted this thread. why the sudden urgency to post a thread on your first day as a member? this only indicates you joined to make this thread with alterior motives, alias With no freinds.

Your bike is a 2005 suzuki, what is this bike? It could be any suzuki motorcycle made in 2005.

My anaylisis suggests you are a created alias from an existing Kiwibiker member. You show no sign of a troll and your log-in times and grammer point you to a certain someone. Your plan was to make this group on facebook to further anger the biking community thus creating the effect of us more angered to ACC and more commited to fight back attending protest and 'upping the game'. Its the 'willie lynch' mentality, you cant have success without opposition. I have breaken down fake accounts like you babey8, I suggest you reply to this and choose your words carefully.
Here is the Ideal respnse YOU want that you got in this thread. Bloody sheep.

Lets just replicate the bikoi with 6000 cars and see what the traffic jams are....where do people with cars get off thinking they have more rights than bikes on the road anyway

[Big Dan]

babey8.
You joined on the day you posted this thread. why the sudden urgency to post a thread on your first day as a member? this only indicates you joined to make this thread with alterior motives, alias With no freinds.

Your bike is a 2005 suzuki, what is this bike? It could be any suzuki motorcycle made in 2005.

My anaylisis suggests you are a created alias from an existing Kiwibiker member. You show no sign of a troll and your log-in times and grammer point you to a certain someone.

Who is this someone

Name and shame them

[PrincessBandit]

Well I'm prepared to give babey8 the benefit of the doubt. She/he(?) might simply be reporting something they deem noteworthy to us.

The bottom line is that all sorts of shit and bleating gets posted on the interdweeb - even here in kb :eek::eek::eek:!

It has to be obvious that for everything considered a valid point of protest there will be others that just have to rebuff and shoot it down. It's called life.

[PrincessBandit]

and just for the record I can't be bothered with facebook (although someone convinced me to create an account - I can't even remember my user name or password for it), bebo (oh, same - can't remember user name, although I think I can remember my password), and as for tweetie brained twittering - well, only twits use that.

[Big Dan]

and just for the record I can't be bothered with facebook (although someone convinced me to create an account - I can't even remember my user name or password for it), bebo (oh, same - can't remember user name, although I think I can remember my password), and as for tweetie brained twittering - well, only twits use that.

I agree with the twits, also bebo has died a natural death but i've found FB to be very good to connect with people from your past

[Toaster]

Bebo is to Facebook what Yahoo is to Google.

Now.... back to bikes.

[Ronin]

babey8.


Your bike is a 2005 suzuki, what is this bike? It could be any suzuki motorcycle made in 2005.



The Universal rules of irony would suggest that its a GN250 that does 140

[Genestho]

and just for the record I can't be bothered with facebook (although someone convinced me to create an account - I can't even remember my user name or password for it), bebo (oh, same - can't remember user name, although I think I can remember my password), and as for tweetie brained twittering - well, only twits use that.
what do you get when you cross Youtube/Twitter and facebook?

'You twitface!'

Heh!:banana:

[Paul in NZ]

Hmm - I've seen titty books and nudie books but whats this face book thing? Lots of good articles I hope?

[Laxi]

Now I'm off to play cards with the Yeti, Elvis, Michael Jackson and DB Cooper.

ahh so you had all your mates round last night huh? :bleh:

[mashman]

what? i've made more than 1 post. i made my first post at 21:41 here:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=111029

This is my second post at 21:50

Somethings wrong with this forum not updating the post counts.

I have no idea who john smith is. look in the whitepages phone book and there are heaps of J smith's. it is a pretty common name. doesn't mean it's a fake.

i have not joined the facebook group nor have my friends but we have all looked at it. i agree with the facebook group though. even on this forum there is a Mission bay protest thread that reads:

We also will be supporting the local businesses so they are not disadvantaged because of this protest action.

So it may be a get together but part of it is still a protest as the thread says:

If we do it right, there wont be any parking for cars available, highlighting the fact that if these bastards tax us off the roads

Do you have a point caller? You have the benefit of the doubt from a lot of us, it would be a shame to waste it, no? Tell us where you stand on the issue of ACC, surely that's why you're here? you may get heckled (who doesn't, but that's part of being a growd up), try not to take it personally... well unless it really is :Playnice:

Seriously, one of the many motto's here is put up or shut up!

[mashman]

no one really knows where God came from (possibly Utah?) or from whom for that matter

beamed up and never came back again?

[McJim]

I agree with the twits, also bebo has died a natural death but i've found FB to be very good to connect with people from your past

That's what I'm afraid of! :Police:

[Pixie]

I joined the group and posted the following:

"Various protests are under discussion by various groups at the moment and there is a strong motivation not to inconvenience the general public.
We received huge support from Joe Public during recent protests.
Our next task is to let the average Kiwi road user know that their car registration will be $400 to $500 in 2010/2011.
By the way "John Smith" which organisation do you work for? ACC or the National Party?"

If there is any validity in this facebook page we can use this type of attack against them -free advertising

[Jim Shady]

This is my first post here, and my name is not John Smith, my name is James. I joined Johns little group to post some comments, there are more posts telling John hes a dick than what I think he was intending with his Facebook, or should that be Facelessbook protest page. After all John as your post said how many people do you need to be called a protest. All hes accomplished so far is knowing what you have to do to be called a dick. But he has rights too, and this is only one bikers opinion.

[Skyryder]

Riding over to Wanaka today, I couldn't help thinking about those damn "Share the road" notices with a pushbike and a car side by side motif painted on them!

Why don't we get stickers that say "OK but lets share the ACC costs as well" and put them on every one of those signs?

Have you got those signs everywhere else? Or are they just in the Lindis pass area?

If they are able to be peeled off without ruining the signs, we can't be accused of being vandals!

Just a thought, anyone else got any suggestions?

I'm going to enquire in Oamaru how much they would cost to make.

If they are not too expensive I might get some made and stick them on the local signs myself.

Way to go Oldrider


Skyyrder

[trump-lady]

YOU SIR JOHN SMITH are a complete TOSSER

posted :)

[Mom]

what? i've made more than 1 post. i made my first post at 21:41 here:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=111029

This is my second post at 21:50

Somethings wrong with this forum not updating the post counts.

I have no idea who john smith is. look in the whitepages phone book and there are heaps of J smith's. it is a pretty common name. doesn't mean it's a fake.

i have not joined the facebook group nor have my friends but we have all looked at it. i agree with the facebook group though. even on this forum there is a Mission bay protest thread that reads:

We also will be supporting the local businesses so they are not disadvantaged because of this protest action.

So it may be a get together but part of it is still a protest as the thread says:

If we do it right, there wont be any parking for cars available, highlighting the fact that if these bastards tax us off the roads

Yeah, and that protest was mine. We have just come back from it. We got nothing but positive feedback from the public and the business owners and the police and the media. Not one single negative at all, and very little parking for cars available. Totally sucessful effort. What bike do you ride again?

[Tank]

Yeah, and that protest was mine. We have just come back from it. We got nothing but positive feedback from the public and the business owners and the police and the media. Not one single negative at all, and very little parking for cars available. Totally sucessful effort. What bike do you ride again?

It rocked MOM!

Babey8 for the epic FAIL.

[Clean_up]

i just joined the group and posted this.....
So.....do you john smith actually know what the hell your talking about? We bikers are protesting about the government changing the ACC bill so they can alter ANY AND ALL acc levies they like, INCLUDING CAR ACC LEVIES!!! WHICH MEANS YOU ALSO WILL BE PAYING MORE!!! They are only doing this so that ACC can look fully funded and therefore be able to sell it off to Australian Insurance Companies, turning it into an insurance scheme and no long a no fault compensation corporation. This is not where our country should be heading. Many times ACC has been heralded as the best scheme of its kind in the world, and if whinging little people who know nothing about what they are saying like you keep on doing this instead of waking up and seeing that we (the motorcyclists) are fighting this fight... on behalf of ALL OF NEW ZEALAND, then we are all gonna be fucked and completely screwed over and raped by national privatising ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THEY WANT!!!! Make sure that you research things fully before you go opening your tiny little mouth.

[Insanity_rules]

ahh so you had all your mates round last night huh? :bleh:

Yeah, Dr Frankenfurter says hi and are you going to return his garter anytime soon?

[ready4whatever]

Its probably Nick Smith behind the facebook member. I reckon Nick Smith has a kiwibiker profile too :laugh: , wouldnt suprize me

[Laxi]

Yeah, Dr Frankenfurter says hi and are you going to return his garter anytime soon?

just as soon as I get it back from your mama

[Insanity_rules]

just as soon as I get it back from your mama

I knew you'd been doing my Momma, sick sick man.

[Laxi]

I knew you'd been doing my Momma, sick sick man.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/picture.php?albumid=2249&pictureid=34976

[babey8]

it would be funny if it was nick smith. but does nick even have a 'official' facebook profile?

the facebook group seems to be updated now with....

"UPDATE:
Don'T WANNA pay increased ACC motorbike levies? SOLUTION: SELL YOUR MOTORBIKE. No motorbike = No need to pay ACC motorbike levies. Can't you protesters figure that out? Hey maybe if you ALL did that the government will DECREASE acc motorbike levies because they will be getting alot LESS revenue."

interesting idea i think.

[R6_kid]

interesting idea i think.

The logic in that is totally flawed. Perhaps that person would also like to have had their shower head changed so that they didn't use as much water - because the government told them they were using too much.

[MSTRS]

... SOLUTION: SELL YOUR MOTORBIKE. No motorbike = No need to pay ACC motorbike levies. ..

Ummm...who to? Or - to whom?

Another EPIC FAIL. Someone thinks we are stupid. Guess what....?

[NighthawkNZ]

Cyclists have their ACC deducted from their wages as it is considered a recreational past time.

So can be driving your car or riding a motorcycle. If a car hits a bike it comes out of the traffic account... (apparently)... because I don ride my bike for work.

Over all your ACC in your PAYE covers you for anything (and I mean anything) you do as a private citizen ias above including driving and riding a motorcycle so in theory the extra levy should only be a top up. And the accounts need to be rejoined to the one super account they use to have.

[babey8]

i wonder if there should be an 'opt out' option where motorbike owners can choose not to pay acc levies so if they have a motorbike accident they won't get any acc cover. problem solved?

[NighthawkNZ]

i wonder if there should be an 'opt out' option where motorbike owners can choose not to pay acc levies so if they have a motorbike accident they won't get any acc cover. problem solved?

Recombine all the accounts, as ACC was not designed to have these seperate accounts and the more cross subisiding the better it works. Drop evey single levy they have for collecting ACC we have at present, so instantly every one gets a PAY rise since that levy is no longer in your PAYE.

Put ACC levy on GST to compensate there solved... the only thing business have to do is up their GST on their product. The IRD goons do the rest as it is their job.

its on petrol, booze every thing you buy and sell, covers yah paper cuts, it covers your tourists and covers cyclists and bikers as you are paying it on every thing you buy for you bike. It covers those that are working, even kids when will be paying ACC out of there pocket money.

A 2.5% increase in GST to 15%, would then easily raise around $10 - 15 billion which is what ACC requires (and more) and we would be fully funded in one year. (ACC only requires 5 billion a year to operate, and is believed they require 24 billion to be fully funded, they have 11 billion so far.)

If only 1% was added to GST ACC would be fully funded in 2 or three years. If GST went to 15% ACC would be fully funded in one year and could then be dropped back back to 1% to carry it on.

Remember GST is still 12.5% and businesses can still claim this back as normal but they won't be able to claim the levy back which is their ACC levy

[bogan]

i wonder if there should be an 'opt out' option where motorbike owners can choose not to pay acc levies so if they have a motorbike accident they won't get any acc cover. problem solved?

you still dont get it. There is no reason for motorcyclists to be singled out in such a way, there are many other high risk minority groups who pay nothing to ACC, all groups must be treated the same (human rights...) whether this means going to a private insurance scheme (do not want) or abolishing the levy increases (for a start) is largely up to the non-bikers of NZ.

[Pixie]

i wonder if there should be an 'opt out' option where motorbike owners can choose not to pay acc levies so if they have a motorbike accident they won't get any acc cover. problem solved?

Ha ha Babyarse.Your ACC car levy is going up to $500 in 2010/2011

[Foxzee]

i wonder if there should be an 'opt out' option where motorbike owners can choose not to pay acc levies so if they have a motorbike accident they won't get any acc cover. problem solved?

FFS...do you actually think through your fucked up logic before you share it.....................

[Drew]

Drop evey single levy they have for collecting ACC we have at present, so instantly every one gets a PAY rise since that levy is no longer in your PAYE.



Employees DO NOT pay ACC levies, with PAYE or otherwise. It is a cost to the employer only, should they decide not to self insure for work place injuries.

No one gets a pay rise if the current collection is scrapped but employers. Works for me, but I'm a minority.

[Drew]

FFS...do you actually think through your fucked up logic before you share it.....................

Erm, this is perfectly logical.

Example, Fletcher group do not pay ACC anymore. They self insure for work place accidents. Worked out cheaper for them to pay the medical bills themselves.

How is that different?

[Ixion]

Sorry, (almost) all employees definitely do pay an acc levy, collected along with PAYE. A right pain it is come income tax calculation time, too.

[phred]

I think history/fiction will tell us that Mary was the mother of Jesus not God, no one really knows where God came from (possibly Utah?) or from whom for that matter, thats an even greater mystery.

Yes BUt where does Utah come from - thats what I want to know.

[phred]

you still dont get it. There is no reason for motorcyclists to be singled out in such a way, there are many other high risk minority groups who pay nothing to ACC, all groups must be treated the same (human rights...) whether this means going to a private insurance scheme (do not want) or abolishing the levy increases (for a start) is largely up to the non-bikers of NZ.

+1
WHole point of Woodhouse principle. Society as a whole benefits then society as a whole pays equally. No fault. No blame. No targeting. No "no claims". No excess. No right to sue. No Lawyers getting rich. No profits leaving NZ. NO FUCKING INSURANCE

[Maha]

Yes BUt where does Utah come from - thats what I want to know.

Utah was once the ocean floor, millions of years ago (way before Gods time) it rose from those watery depths and was left high and dry with a somewhat 'salty' look and feel about it.

[MSTRS]

Utah was once the ocean floor, millions of years ago (way before Gods time) it rose from those watery depths and was left high and dry with a somewhat 'salty' look and feel about it.

Bit like the tidemark around one's bath?