Convincing young guys to wear helmets/protection?

[AlpinePossum]

So there are some young guys in the area. 15/16/.. somewhere around here.

I suspect they have a somewhat, ahh, shall we say, fast and loose attitude to such things as learner's license restrictions etc.

That doesn't bug me too much.

It's the "don't need Helmets or protection I'm young and bullet proof and an amazingly fricking skilled rider that won't crash" attitude that worries me.

Yeah mate, I believe you. You might just be the best rider since that Rossi fellow. Just a pity about all the damn blind drunk idiots in the tin cans. You had better make sure you have a good safety margin for when those bastards do something amazingly impossibly STUPID.

As I said to them, odds on you won't die in a crash... you'll just be disabled for the rest of your life.

Sigh! Basically nice young lads... really don't want to see them brain injured.

[AllanB]

Next time you see one of them, stop and have a chat to him. Express your concern about his lack of helmet. If he responds in a negative manner promptly punch him in the guts, then grab him by the scruff of his neck and throw him forwards onto the ground head first with some force.

Now clearly state to him that his head would not hurt if he had been wearing a helmet ........

Sometimes actions are better than words.

[Ladydragon]

I've seen a few people recently in shorts,t shirt and sand shoes riding a motor bike just last Thursday a person rode past me with a learners plate on wearing those clothes but he had the sense to wear a helmet.You would think if he brought a helmet for protection he would buy some gear too.

[AllanB]

I've seen a few people recently in shorts,t shirt and sand shoes riding a motor bike just last Thursday a person rode past me with a learners plate on wearing those clothes but he had the sense to wear a helmet.You would think if he brought a helmet for protection he would buy some gear too.

NAH - he's just trying to get his fair share of the ACC money back he's been paying in rego. :lol::lol::lol:

[McJim]

You can tell people but you can't be nanny for them. If they don't listen to you then they'll have to deal with Darwin's theory.

It won't be your fault.

[Motoracer]

The worlds full of em! These guys make even me cringe... At least in the USA, most wear helmets on highways!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7aJFsyB6I4&feature=related

[McJim]

The worlds full of em! These guys make even me cringe... At least in the USA, most wear helmets on highways!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7aJFsyB6I4&feature=related

I suppose if you grow up being blown to bits then being spread across a motorway doesn't hold the same amount of fear eh?

[avgas]

Make it cool.
Point out when the stig or ghostrider takes off their helmet. Point out they must really suck if they don't even need one.
Its how i picked up the seatbelt thing. Had a race driver get us to do a few laps with him and he pointed out they we sucked so much that the seatbelt was not required. Since we were all 'the man' if we were real drivers we should require seatbelt all the time.

[Toaster]

So there are some young guys in the area. 15/16/.. somewhere around here.

I suspect they have a somewhat, ahh, shall we say, fast and loose attitude to such things as learner's license restrictions etc.

That doesn't bug me too much.

It's the "don't need Helmets or protection I'm young and bullet proof and an amazingly fricking skilled rider that won't crash" attitude that worries me.

Yeah mate, I believe you. You might just be the best rider since that Rossi fellow. Just a pity about all the damn blind drunk idiots in the tin cans. You had better make sure you have a good safety margin for when those bastards do something amazingly impossibly STUPID.

As I said to them, odds on you won't die in a crash... you'll just be disabled for the rest of your life.

Sigh! Basically nice young lads... really don't want to see them brain injured.

You can tell them this:

1 June last year I was riding safely in a cruiser group ride. Came around a corner at a speed well below the speed limit of 100kmh to find a sheep weaving in my lane, I tried to emergency break, then swerve and came off. I was in FULL protective gear that saved my life.

Despite that I still had many injuries that I may never fully recover from and are very painful. The head injury sustained changed my life forever. Since then I have pretty much lost everything and life became a living nightmare. Some days I wish I had died that day.

But I have a chance at life again.

They can choose to give themselves a better chance too. Their choice, but we all pay. One way or another.

[Toaster]

The worlds full of em! These guys make even me cringe... At least in the USA, most wear helmets on highways!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7aJFsyB6I4&feature=related

Great entertainment to watch, but geez, imagine it all going wrong... ouch! More chance of seeing the inside of a coffin than a hospital room.

[AllanB]

Came around a corner at a speed well below the speed limit of 100kmh to find a sheep weaving in my lane.

Bloody genetic engineering - now the sheep are making the carpets directly from their own backs ...........:whistle:

[Toaster]

Bloody genetic engineering - now the sheep are making the carpets directly from their own backs ...........:whistle:

You never know what's around the corner......

[PrincessBandit]

I've seen a few people recently in shorts,t shirt and sand shoes riding a motor bike just last Thursday a person rode past me with a learners plate on wearing those clothes but he had the sense to wear a helmet.You would think if he brought a helmet for protection he would buy some gear too.

I wonder how many of them think that low speed accidents "don't hurt very much"? If they're on an L, chances are they're not riding all that fast (she said, optimistically) but even "slower" crashes can have a much higher cost than they think.

It really is Russian roulette they are playing. You can only but tell them, maybe suggest they view the gross ride2die.com site and view the human roadkill consequences. Even then they'll probably think it would never happen to them. Some people just have to learn the hard way.

For those of us who have crashed wearing full riding protection and survived I'm sure we all credit our gear with either saving our lives or minimising our injuries.

[Flynn]

AMAZING, Friday 20th, one of the young guys, like the ones spoken about in the first post was playing our tagorama, decided to come round to my place to show he the tag on his rgv150 and binned right out side my house!!

One of those young youg who we've been on at to get decent gear!! He has a shark helmet, shift leather jacket, gloves, but no pants or boots.

I will say at this point that as he came off his pants and undies went to his ankles as soon as he bit the dust, leaving his legs, buttocks, and back with road rash. He would have been travling at 30-40 km, went to hospital with concussion for the night, full bag of morphine for his trouble. Got out the following day feeling ery sorry for him self.

My sincere suggestion after seeing the after effects of what the road does to skin first hand, is your a fool if you don't.

When I first started riding July 2008 I spent 1500 bucks on gear, just middle of the raod stuff, but worth every cent, not that I've tested it yet and I don't intend to.

[CookMySock]

Tell them some horrific stories about tears in their mums eyes, mum wiping their bum for the rest of their lives etc.

If it doesn't work, just move on and save your influence for the people you love. You can't fix the world, and if you try, it will just drag you down with it.

Steve

[Dirty Heathen]

I think its going to be the issue with teens I was the same you think it wont happen to you its not until you get a little older that you relies bad shit happens to everyone.

Not to mention you have no fear when your young.

Maybe just ring the cops know it sounds like a shit thing to do but maybe make them wear gear out fear of a ticket again.

[mattian]

the law requires you to wear a helmet. Next time you see someone without one, call the cops. A fairly hefty fine usually fixes things promptly.
If we as a community of bikers are TRULY serious about the safety of all of us together, perhaps we could make submissions to parliament to legislate on the compulsory use of protective clothing as well. How would that go down with other bikers???? (probably not very well)

[Romeo]

I see just as many old guys riding around in shorts and t-shirts as I do teens. Though the teens generally seem to ride to a much worse standard.

My biggest rage came from seeing a 15 year old-ish girl riding a 2009 Yamaha Jog, hot pants, strappy shoes and blouse, BUT with a $1000+ Arai Nakano rep helmet. "Only the safest for my daughter!"

[p.dath]

I wonder how many of them think that low speed accidents "don't hurt very much"?

Interesting to note that the severity of a lot of head injuries resulting from a fall (such as swerving to avoid something) is not related to the speed you are travelling, but the height of your head above the road.

In most cases, the height is fairly consistently 1.5m to 2m. Its the vertical velocity of the fall that causes the head injury, and not the forward velocity. And in a lot of cases, you simply fall at the speed of gravity.


But of course if you slide and then hit something with your head its a different story.

[p.dath]

the law requires you to wear a helmet. Next time you see someone without one, call the cops. A fairly hefty fine usually fixes things promptly.
If we as a community of bikers are TRULY serious about the safety of all of us together, perhaps we could make submissions to parliament to legislate on the compulsory use of protective clothing as well. How would that go down with other bikers???? (probably not very well)

A cop would not attend such a call out. They may invite you to write a formal complaint, but then it is your word against the riders, so the worst that will happen for all your effort is a letter to the person who you are complaining against saying a complaint has been laid against them.

End result, nothing.

[steve_t]

Tell the cops they're speeding and weaving around the road so may be drunk. Say you fear other drivers may be at risk. Even then, chances of getting a cop to nab them is pretty slim...

[Taz]

Wow another gear thread. I hate it when people with the incorrect gear on don't wave!!!!:mad:

Seriously though I have an idea - Just ignore them, It isn't your problem and chances are they'll be fine.

[TRIUMPHSROCK675]

lately on my commute home ive pulled up at lights an theres a dude on a scooter sitting there, sure they ride in shorts an jandels but ive noticed there wearing a helmet but the straps hanging down. seems like 30secs to do your helmet up is too much time. i've made a few comments too them telling them there stupid, but there head.

[Flynn]

lately on my commute home ive pulled up at lights an theres a dude on a scooter sitting there, sure they ride in shorts an jandels but ive noticed there wearing a helmet but the straps hanging down. seems like 30secs to do your helmet up is too much time. i've made a few comments too them telling them there stupid, but there head.

These are the sort of people that help our acc levies:girlfight:

[Dirty Heathen]

I see it everyday in town people on all sorts of bikes riding around town in shorts and trainers they actually kind of look at me weird becuase I am riding around town on a hot day with a leather jacket and all my gear on.

I don't see why people don't get how nasty it would be sliding on your face doing 50km on the road gives me the shits.

Even yesterday on my ride stopped at a local gassy see the young guy I did my bhs with pull up with his old man his dad was geared on a bmw and young guy was on his brand new 2010 Hyo gt250r which did really look nice which his dad brought for him lucky bugger .

Anyway putting my gloves and helmet back on admiring his new bike when I notice that hes got all the gear on apart from the fact he wearing sneakers!! and there off down to the south Island hes on a $8000 bike and cant even go and buy a cheap pair off boots my guess was he wanted to wear trainers not a cash issue.

Not trying to slag the guy its just does not make sense if do read these forums man your new hyo looks beautiful!

You plenty of cheap gear you can get as well it may not be top of the line but sure is better then nothing.

maybe i am just over cautious.

[huff3r]

maybe i am just over cautious.

No such thing!! I feel incredibly embarassed riding around with warehouse safety boots, and a hallensteins fake leather jacket, but its the best ive got for now. Will be upgrading ASAP!! Although i do have some proper dri-rider pants and decent gloves and a helmet :D

[breakaway]

I'm going to have to agree with DangerousBastard on this. No point trying to change the mind of every rider who decides to ride without protection.

Just sit back and watch the problem fix itself.

[Drew]

We are all fuckin adults. If someone wants to ride like that, Darwin suggest let them. I agree.

[chasio]

lately on my commute home ive pulled up at lights an theres a dude on a scooter sitting there, sure they ride in shorts an jandels but ive noticed there wearing a helmet but the straps hanging down. seems like 30secs to do your helmet up is too much time. i've made a few comments too them telling them there stupid, but there head.

A Jog rider at work was just looping the strap through one D ring and clipping up the press stud because he couldn't figure out how to do the D-rings properly. This was not a stupid guy (honestly), just not very practical and lacking on common sense. He received a brief, polite lesson on how to do it so it will actually work, and now he straps up correctly. So, sometimes a bit of help is all that is needed.

Some people are, however, beyond help.

[Squid69]

So there are some young guys in the area. 15/16/.. somewhere around here.

I suspect they have a somewhat, ahh, shall we say, fast and loose attitude to such things as learner's license restrictions etc.

That doesn't bug me too much.

It's the "don't need Helmets or protection I'm young and bullet proof and an amazingly fricking skilled rider that won't crash" attitude that worries me.

Yeah mate, I believe you. You might just be the best rider since that Rossi fellow. Just a pity about all the damn blind drunk idiots in the tin cans. You had better make sure you have a good safety margin for when those bastards do something amazingly impossibly STUPID.

As I said to them, odds on you won't die in a crash... you'll just be disabled for the rest of your life.

Sigh! Basically nice young lads... really don't want to see them brain injured.

Just tell them they can go way harder if they wear gear!

[Romeo]

Wow another gear thread. I hate it when people with the incorrect gear on don't wave!!!!:mad:

Seriously though I have an idea - Just ignore them, It isn't your problem and chances are they'll be fine.

It IS MY problem when my ACC levies keep going up :mad:

[p.dath]

It IS MY problem when my ACC levies keep going up :mad:

Let me give it a slightly different twist.

It is a community problem when our ACC levies keep going up like mad.