Bikeoi! 2010

[Ixion]

Well, the BIKEOI! was a great success.

But don't let's kid ourselves that we'll get what we want this time round. A token reduction this year, and ACC will come back for another attack next year.

So, do we need, should we have another BIKEOI! next year ? (and if we do, WHEN next year)

Reasons to hold one ?

Publicity
Keep us in front of the pollies
It was cool (and next one could be better, more time to organise)
Announcing BIKEOI! 2010 sends a message to ACC government and press that we are in for the long haul. We're not going to forget about it and go away

Reasons against ?

2009 went without a hitch. No aggro, no bins. But frankly that may have been as much luck as anything. Next time we might not be so lucky
We might not get so many people for a repeat. Which would encourage the enemy. On the other hand, we could probably hold 2010 on a weekend, which should swell numbers
It's a hellish big ask on the organisers
We might not get so much cooperation from police etc for a rerun

Thoughts.

Yeah I know, it's a long time ahead. But it takes a long time to organise these things, the stress on people getting 2009 done in a couple of weeks was colossal.

[Bald Eagle]

....
So, do we need, should we have another BIKEOI! next year ? (and if we do, WHEN next year)

Reasons to hold one ?

Publicity
Keep us in front of the pollies
It was cool (and next one could be better, more time to organise)
Announcing BIKEOI! 2010 sends a message to ACC government and press that we are in for the long haul. We're not going to forget about it and go away

Reasons against ?

2009 went without a hitch. No aggro, no bins. But frankly that may have been as much luck as anything. Next time we might not be so lucky
We might not get so many people for a repeat. Which would encourage the enemy. On the other hand, we could probably hold 2010 on a weekend, which should swell numbers
It's a hellish big ask on the organisers
We might not get so much cooperation from police etc for a rerun

Thoughts.

Yeah I know, it's a long time ahead. But it takes a long time to organise these things, the stress on people getting 2009 done in a couple of weeks was colossal.

I think another bikeoi is an excelllent idea.

I don't think we should call it Bikeoi2010 I think it should be Bikeoi-II.

The sooner the better, I would rather we did not wait for them to 'throw us a bone' and then have to come back again. ( I'm thinking hot irons and striking while the temperature is up here.)

I think we should keep the pressure on and signal Bikeoi-II as an early New Year event.

I'm up for it again.

[scissorhands]

I like easter as whole families could get involved, and wider interest from other affected groups. Parliament would be at the beach though.

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[mashman]

Reasons to do one! Because the government and "public" never understood what was really at stake. We asked our government to let us find out for ourselves. they said NO! have a lower levy instead!

Reasons Against: Lack of public awareness for the real issue!

Thoughts: Country wide BIKEOI by car, bike, cycle, foot, truck, be great if someone could parachute on to the roof of parliament (give the ass risk assessors a heart attack)

When: After 16 Jan as i'm out of the country til then in a couple of weeks and i really want to go this time (I was on the roof of the Westpac for the last one).

[Hanne]

Easter is probably a bit too late though, all decisions will have been made and sealed?

Maybe February just before/ after parliament comes back (that should be round 12th Feb I think could not find exact dates for 2010 ).

Some uni dates for consideration (students there = good?)

Vic uni wellington:
Orientation 22-25 February
Semester Starts 1 March

[Bald Eagle]

Easter is probably a bit too late though, all decisions will have been made and sealed?

Maybe February just before/ after parliament comes back (that should be round 12th Feb I think could not find exact dates for 2010 ).

Some uni dates for consideration (students there = good?)

Vic uni wellington:
Orientation 22-25 February
Semester Starts 1 March

14th Feb would be ironic a valentines present for the government :girlfight:

[Bald Eagle]

New group started for planning

[short-circuit]

When: These Christmas holidays (overnighter- to as long as it takes: take sleeping bags and small tents)

Where: Auckland Harbour Bridge (lanes 1 - 8)

Reasons:
Momentum - needs to happen now

Maximal impact - public need to feel the brunt and realise the seriousness of the issue (in order to pressure Government to reverse policy that is all but set in stone)

Maxium exposure

[Ixion]

I don't think we should reckon on BIKEOI!-2 changing any decisions. For that (if it's possible at all) we need that constant pressure between now and late january.

BIKEOI!-2 would be to send the "No - not good enough we're still angry" message.

Need to bear in mind that for riders outside Wellington, there is potentially a need for time off work (maybe less so if it's on a weekend). That could be tricky for many - time off for BIKEOI!-1, time off at Christmas, not going to have much leave left.

Should it be in Wellington? Obviously has to be if we intend to rock up to parliament. But, not much point in doing that if there's no-one else there, which would be the case at the weekend.

So , if we went with a weekend event, a case could be made for it not being in Wellington.

On the other hand, I can't think of any other really logical place.

[Naki Rat]

If the government/ACC are proposing to announce their final decision on rego levy rates promptly the substantial rise in those on "Non-petrol goods service vehicles" could well generate a lot of support from owners/operators of much of NZ's commercial vehicle fleet.

Now, if we were to arrive supported by a convoy of trucks and vans.... :woohoo:

[scissorhands]

Regional bikoi's everywhere could work. Outside all regional National Party HQ? Just BEFORE Xmas on a Friday arvo around drinks time could be just the trick? Could be like a telethon if we had video conferencing on our laptops

If we have other affected groups on board we need a different name?

[MSTRS]

I'm thinking the second one must have further reaching ramifications. Imagine 6500 of us travelling at <70kph across all lanes the entire length of the Auckland motorway system (esp. NW and 1).
Parliament were delivered the message. No point going there again...

If we have other affected groups on board we need a different name? A Vehoi?

[Ixion]

What's the maori word for a war party?

Somebody suggested Impi. I like it, but I doubt many people would know what it meant.

Maybe Carver could start the Sacred Band.

EDITY EDIT. Apparently it's hokowhitu-a-tu. Doesn't really roll off the tongue.

[martybabe]

2009 went without a hitch. No aggro, no bins. But frankly that may have been as much luck as anything. Next time we might not be so lucky
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Quote:Some interim statistics...
Based on your responses (you were all truthful aye ;-) the average distance travelled to the event was 280km. (using the lower distance of the range in each case with the exception of the 0 to 50km range where I used 10km).

Given there were 5000 bikes at the event this is 1.65 MILLION Km travelled to Wellington without an incident!Quote

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I ripped this from another thread, for me at least it shows that we are not the bunch of suicidal maniacs that some can't wait to portray us as. You and I have been on the road long enough to know that shit can and does happen even to the most careful and law abiding riders, so yes we were lucky but an awful lot of work/patience/tolerance and co-operation went into that figure eh. Well done us I say.

Another one? Pretty much any time anywhere Supreme leader Ixion, I and many others here would follow you to the ends of the Earth in this fight (well the end of the North island anyway).:lol:

I was against weekends at first because we would be protesting against an empty building but I think we delivered our message to those that would listen at Bikeoi 1.

Next year, Providing we can get good TV and radio coverage, I don't think we need the deaf and dumb Polies there. Send the message to the nation that we haven't gone away, the issues are still the same and swamp the bloody place with every last bike and biker we can muster. Any speakers that are on our side will turn up anyway and frankly I don't think I could tolerate another bout of some smarmy shirt lifting power crazy pudding face lying to me and about me.

A Sunny Sunday Party with a Serious Message, Sausage sizzle and Placards on the lawn of the beehive, hot bike and onion smell filling the lazy afternoon air and 15,000 chanting Bullshit into the TV1 microphone. Happy days.
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[Squiggles]

Put it for just before any changes in levies will take effect?

[Ixion]

I think that BIKEOI!-2 needs to send the "you're next" message more strongly than BIKEOI!-1 . That was specifically about our levies, BIKEOI!-2 should be more about the general message. So being in front of the Beehive probably isn't as necessary.

Danger in being elsewhere is that

1. The press downgrade it to "just a bunch of bikers getting together". How much press coverage do the big South Island rallies get?

2. The public put up with us screwing up Wellington traffic, because protesting to Parliament is seen as being a fundamental right. I doubt we'd get the same tolerance elsewhere.

I do think the "where" has to have some relevance to ACC. Where does Sir Owen Woodhouse live? (what city I mean, don't need his actual address)

[Ixion]

Put it for just before any changes in levies will take effect?


That'd be June/July, shit of a time for a biker event, smack in mid winter.

Unless we tied it into the Cold Kiwi ?

[mashman]

a sunny sunday party with a serious message, sausage sizzle and placards on the lawn of the beehive, hot bike and onion smell filling the lazy afternoon air and 15,000 chanting bullshit into the tv1 microphone. Happy days.
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bbqoi .....

[knuckles24]

Aanother national protest needs to be early 2010 (and for god sakes get rid of the bikeoi term and think of some other name for it), but we also need to keep the regional ones going as well, we need to be in there face as much as possible so they don't think we are going to back down from this and go away. We should be going for 0% increase as any rise in the levys they put on us know they will keep on doing it in the future, we seem to have labour and the green party backing us so why dont we work with them and say NO to any future ACC levy hike.

[mashman]

I think that BIKEOI!-2 needs to send the "you're next" message more strongly than BIKEOI!-1 . That was specifically about our levies, BIKEOI!-2 should be more about the general message. So being in front of the Beehive probably isn't as necessary.

Danger in being elsewhere is that

1. The press downgrade it to "just a bunch of bikers getting together". How much press coverage do the big South Island rallies get?

2. The public put up with us screwing up Wellington traffic, because protesting to Parliament is seen as being a fundamental right. I doubt we'd get the same tolerance elsewhere.

I do think the "where" has to have some relevance to ACC. Where does Sir Owen Woodhouse live? (what city I mean, don't need his actual address)

In which case, find someone at TV7, ya know the guys that have run November as politics month and ask if they would host a debate between representatives from BIKEOI and any other member group of NZ!

[Ixion]

In which case, find someone at TV7, ya know the guys that have run November as politics month and ask if they would host a debate between representatives from BIKEOI and any other member group of NZ!


That's a good thing, but BIKEOI! is specifically about a LOT of bikes flooding into a specific space. Every bike in the country if it were possible.

Debates and BBQs and stuff is all good but that's not BIKEOI!

The press get all wet between the legs at the thought of all that chrome and leather.

I'm still not convinced that we need another one, or that it would be productive.

Which is not to say that we don't have a number of large regional gatherings - like Ulysses did right back at the start.

[Reckless]

I reckon it should simply be the "SAVE ACC" Ride (or similar)

NZ still doesn't realize its the fundamentals of ACC as we know it, we are trying to preserve!

I reckon the fights changed National have forced us to understand what they are doing and how they are changing ACC!

Look only my 2c but all t shirts stickers etc should simply read "SAVE ACC!"
Probably the only way we will get support from wider NZ is if we distance ourselves from the self interest label!

BTW if we can truly get our message across and are interested in letting others join us this could be the biggest protest ever seen - lead by bikers!!

Look just a few thoughts for Ixion and you guys to mull over! "SAVE ACC"

[Bald Eagle]

I reckon it should simply be the "SAVE ACC" Ride (or similar)

NZ still doesn't realize its the fundamentals of ACC as we know it, we are trying to preserve!

I reckon the fights changed National have forced us to understand what they are doing and how they are changing ACC!

Look only my 2c but all t shirts stickers etc should simply read "SAVE ACC!"
Probably the only way we will get support from wider NZ is if we distance ourselves from the self interest label!

BTW if we can truly get our message across and are interested in letting others join us this could be the biggest protest ever seen - lead by bikers!!

Look just a few thoughts for Ixion and you guys to mull over! "SAVE ACC"

i have no probelm with the SAVE ACC slogan for the ride.

How about a North Cape to Bluff ride start at each end spread it over a week. Riders can ride all or any section of it with local soap box speaking rallys at each city / provincial centre along the way.

Final push in to Wellington from a gathering point in the Manawatu.

6000 bikes in one single convoy down highway one.

[mashman]

That's a good thing, but BIKEOI! is specifically about a LOT of bikes flooding into a specific space. Every bike in the country if it were possible.


Agreed to a certain extent, but you know how this works. If you change your name from BIKEOI (reported by the press, submissions sent by BIKEOI etc...), then you've obviously changed something else. Could be your policy, could be your core beliefs, but why did you change your name? We feel it didn't reflect our true goals...

Honestly, what's in a name?

Illustration:

Some stars are named after their discoverer, some are named using a numbering system based on the quadrant of the sky that it's found in...

To me IT'S A FUCKING STAR, it's little and it twinkles and people wonder what it are.

[Reckless]

Isn't Bikeoi or Hikoi a definition of what we are doing rather than a slogan as such??

Therefore could include them both to keep continuity. It could be the:

"SAVE ACC" - Bikoi

[Thani-B]

I think its a good idea! Hopefully I can make it this time.

[Ixion]

Isn't Bikeoi or Hikoi a definition of what we are doing rather than a slogan as such??

Therefore could include them both to keep continuity. It could be the:

"SAVE ACC" - Bikoi

Yes. It is
*A* bikeoi. The "slogan" for BIKEOI!-1 was "Damn the levies"

So maybe

BIKEOI!-1 - Damn the levies

BIKEOI!-2 - Save ACC

Not so sure about Save ACC though , it's a bit bland and all inclusive.

[bogan]

Reasons to do one! Because the government and "public" never understood what was really at stake. We asked our government to let us find out for ourselves. they said NO! have a lower levy instead!

Reasons Against: Lack of public awareness for the real issue!

Thoughts: Country wide BIKEOI by car, bike, cycle, foot, truck, be great if someone could parachute on to the roof of parliament (give the ass risk assessors a heart attack)

When: After 16 Jan as i'm out of the country til then in a couple of weeks and i really want to go this time (I was on the roof of the Westpac for the last one).


If the government/ACC are proposing to announce their final decision on rego levy rates promptly the substantial rise in those on "Non-petrol goods service vehicles" could well generate a lot of support from owners/operators of much of NZ's commercial vehicle fleet.

Now, if we were to arrive supported by a convoy of trucks and vans.... :woohoo:

These are good thoughts, the first was about bikers, the second protest could be about saving the no fault component of ACC (new catchy name) we have long enough to plan and get people on our side, we could even get in excess of 10k vehicles (fuck knows where theyd park though) swarming into welli, bikes, cars, utes, trucks, suvs, tractor or two! thousands and thousands of pedestrians. If we can get people from all types to protest I predict a quick u-turn from national on the whole thing!

[Reckless]

A message to wider NZ has to be simple not creative, ask any advertising executive.
If its not read and understood in the blink of an eye its waisted.
They construct ad lines so a 5 year old can get them or they are missed by Joe public and the message is lost.
Thats what has been happening, we have been making a noise everyone knows it but they don't understand WHY!

Look I'm not posting repeatedly for my particular Idea! It can be anything!
But it has to be simple and convey our message and generate a "what" in Joe Public's mind in the blink of an eye!

BTW: Many have said they have had Joe Public come up and pat them on the back, well thats all well and good but
We aren't looking for Joe public's support "as such" we are looking for Joe public to Show National they don't support them on this issue!
There is a big difference!

[StoneY]

Ok its still less than a week since BIKEOI 1 'Damn the levies' campaign

A victory at that
Lets chill

We know we are gonna do it again

Time, no need to worry about the time and date, I say 2nd weekend of DST next year but its only a thought

Now take our time, make a good slogan, contact the right media (I say James Deuce for BIKEOI || official journo) and plan wisely

As Les pointed out up there above, the rushed effort was horrendously stressful

[mashman]

Not so sure about Save ACC though , it's a bit bland and all inclusive.

If by that you mean no frills and covering everything... BIKEOI - SAVE OUR ACC... not dressed up, no having to explain what we're about, plain and simple... Want to know more visit "http://www.weregettinfuckedoverroyallybyabunchofpowerhung rymorons.co.nz"

[martybabe]

Therefore could include them both to keep continuity. It could be the:

"SAVE ACC" - Bikoi


Yes. It is

BIKEOI!-2 - Save ACC

Not so sure about Save ACC though , it's a bit bland and all inclusive.

I understand the sentiment completely but I think the message is to confusing. It is widely seen that ACC are our enemy in this protest. Of course they're not, their stupid levy proposals are but I think Joe will just see that the bikers were against ACC, now they wan't to save them.

In my defence I point you to all the placards saying f*ck you ACC at the bikeoi and the ridiculous situation of a flag attached to this bike below, saying save the ACC. This was stolen from another thread running alongside this one where they are debating mass producing stickers so we can all change our bike logos to read the same as this.

As I said, I completely understand that we wan't to save the integrity and core values of the ACC, it is a good scheme but I think a lot of outsiders would be rather bewildered. Something along the lines of THE 'HELP US SAVE YOUR ACC FROM PRIVATISATION PLANS AND AT THE SAME TIME KILL THESE STUPID LEVY HIKES THAT YOU WILL ALL HAVE TO PAY BEFORE NATIONAL IS DONE-OI' :lol: Of course we would need bigger flags :lol:

[mashman]

As Les pointed out up there above, the rushed effort was horrendously stressful

but by christ it stirred something in some of us :2thumbsup:2thumbsup:2thumbsup a beggining!

[mashman]

I understand the sentiment completely but I think the message is to confusing. It is widely seen that ACC are our enemy in this protest. Of course they're not, their stupid levy proposals are but I think Joe will just see that the bikers were against ACC, now they wan't to save them.

In my defence I point you to all the placards saying f*ck you ACC at the bikeoi and the ridiculous situation of a flag attached to this bike below, saying save the ACC. This was stolen from another thread running alongside this one where they are debating mass producing stickers so we can all change our bike logos to read the same as this.

As I said, I completely understand that we wan't to save the integrity and core values of the ACC, it is a good scheme but I think a lot of outsiders would be rather bewildered. Something along the lines of THE 'HELP US SAVE YOUR ACC FROM PRIVATISATION PLANS AND AT THE SAME TIME KILL THESE STUPID LEVY HIKES THAT YOU WILL ALL HAVE TO PAY BEFORE NATIONAL IS DONE-OI' :lol: Of course we would need bigger flags :lol:

Hmfffff, damned fine point!

[Reckless]

Ok its still less than a week since BIKEOI 1 'Damn the levies' campaign
A victory at that
Lets chill
We know we are gonna do it again
Time, no need to worry about the time and date, I say 2nd weekend of DST next year but its only a thought
Now take our time, make a good slogan, contact the right media (I say James Deuce for BIKEOI || official journo) and plan wisely
As Les pointed out up there above, the rushed effort was horrendously stressful

Agreed!! It was a glorious unprecedented achievement organized by Les and Bronze etc! If my posts seem stern, I just feel strongly about this issue. The written word often comes out very hard as you don't have the body language that goes with it! I was only trying to be helpful and constructive! Cheers all!!

BTW: I'm bloody frustrated as all this comes at a time I haven't got a bloody bike to ride to support you guys and gals! LOL!!

[short-circuit]

I understand the sentiment completely but I think the message is to confusing. It is widely seen that ACC are our enemy in this protest. Of course they're not, their stupid levy proposals are but I think Joe will just see that the bikers were against ACC, now they wan't to save them.

In my defence I point you to all the placards saying f*ck you ACC at the bikeoi and the ridiculous situation of a flag attached to this bike below, saying save the ACC. This was stolen from another thread running alongside this one where they are debating mass producing stickers so we can all change our bike logos to read the same as this.

As I said, I completely understand that we wan't to save the integrity and core values of the ACC, it is a good scheme but I think a lot of outsiders would be rather bewildered. Something along the lines of THE 'HELP US SAVE YOUR ACC FROM PRIVATISATION PLANS AND AT THE SAME TIME KILL THESE STUPID LEVY HIKES THAT YOU WILL ALL HAVE TO PAY BEFORE NATIONAL IS DONE-OI' :lol: Of course we would need bigger flags :lol:

Too true.

It's the National party driving this not ACC

[mashman]

BTW: I'm bloody frustrated as all this comes at a time I haven't got a bloody bike to ride to support you guys and gals! LOL!!

Take the car, be a support vehicle... that's what i intend to do next weekend in the Rapa if my forks aren't back (which they won't be as i haven't sent them yet)!!!

[Reckless]

yes good point Martybabe!!
I'm sure together someone will come up with something great!

[Ixion]

I think we've got a good brand with 'BIKEOI!'. It's recognised by the press, even the public. Easy to say, and not likely to be confused with anything else

We shouldn't dilute it.

And we shouldn't rush another one through

Take our time, plan it well, make it REALLY big.

Even if we got 7000 bikes last time, that's only 10% of the licensed bikes. So let's try for 20% next time.

And wind the press up to a frenzy with drip feed releases.

The other thing is, we need to watch out for hubris.

We are not the saviours of the country. or of the ACC scheme.

There's at least three political parties, including the official opposition fighting to "save ACC". And y'know, odds are they're going to lose. National has the votes to push it through. And no number of protesting bikers is going to succeed where the Labour party can't.

So we need to focus, work out what we CAN maybe win (not just WRT levies, but generally) and campaign for that.

[ManDownUnder]

What's the maori word for a war party?

Somebody suggested Impi. I like it, but I doubt many people would know what it meant.

Maybe Carver could start the Sacred Band.

EDITY EDIT. Apparently it's hokowhitu-a-tu. Doesn't really roll off the tongue.

try "utu" + 10 miserable f'n chars

[Reckless]

Take the car, be a support vehicle... that's what i intend to do next weekend in the Rapa if my forks aren't back (which they won't be as i haven't sent them yet)!!!

I've been managing to con my son out of his little VTR250 for the Auck ride and Mission bay thing so not to bad! I won't be able to get the Z1R on its wheels in time and after buying 4 bikes (3xMX and 1 roady thats not around now ) before finishing my house Reno's my wife will quite rightly pack up if I do it again!! LOL!!

Good Idea! I've been thinking of making a 2.0m x 1.2m sign for the ute!
I have some Kiwibiker dirt division flags? (as I organized the T'shirts etc)

Lets come up with a slogan and I'll ask Ixion for a pilot vehicle license!! LOL!!!

[Ixion]

I thought that was revenge ?

[MSTRS]

try "utu" + 10 miserable f'n chars


I thought that was revenge ?

After what Nick the Prick has put us through...that is appropriate.

[ManDownUnder]

I thought that was revenge ?
me too

Something like... "dont plan to stay in office long... if we're can't be happy - nor can you"

[MSTRS]

me too

Something like... "dont plan to stay in office long... if we're can't be happy - nor can you"

The ancient Chinese 'curse'...May you live in interesting times...is VERY appropriate.

[Bald Eagle]

I was thinking of something like this ...

... a co-ordinated program with 2 rides one in each island starting on the same day and travelling through centres. like a travelling road show. each location gets an inbound ride a rally and then a ride to the next culminating in the last two regions ( sth / nth) riding in to welly like the actuall hikoi did I think. Support vehicles overnightings etc would need a lot more organising and would need to be late january so catch people on hol's before they go back to school.

[wingrider]

BIKEOI II..FREEDOM FROM LIES

And it's applicable to whatever party is in power.

[Horse]

try "utu"

While I'm no expert, "utu" is a bit more complex than just "revenge", although that is part of the concept. Try maoridictionary.co.nz's entry (http://www.maoridictionary.co.nz/index.cfm?dictionaryKeywords=utu&search.x=0&search.y=0&search=search&n=1).

[Pixie]

I'm thinking the second one must have further reaching ramifications. Imagine 6500 of us travelling at <70kph across all lanes the entire length of the Auckland motorway system (esp. NW and 1).
Parliament were delivered the message. No point going there again...
A Vehoi?

Can't reach that speed on the Auckland goat track system

[Pixie]

Yes. It is
*A* bikeoi. The "slogan" for BIKEOI!-1 was "Damn the levies"

So maybe

BIKEOI!-1 - Damn the levies

BIKEOI!-2 - Save ACC

Not so sure about Save ACC though , it's a bit bland and all inclusive.

(Deep voiced dude that does movie trailer voiceovers):

"You were surprised by Bikoi."
"Are you ready for Bikoi The Sequel?"
"See the thousands of Bikers."
"See the quivering Politicians"
"See the urine flood out of the Beehive"
"Hear the thunderous cry of BULLSHIT"

Makes Ben Hur look like an Epic.

[Subike]

Waitangi Day 6 February Saturday 6 February

the significance of this day alone is fuel.

The remembrance of the colonial government ripping of the people of the time. Its happening again.

OK, you can argue the dispute of Waitangi Day , thats not whats at stake, so if you object on the grounds of whatever, dont post please that objection, this is just a suggestion.

The present Government is trying to smoke screen the privatization of ACC, they are in it, IMO, soley for the money. We need to object loudly about this.

Waitangi Day is a day for protests historically, a day when the people for years have spoken out against the unjustness of the system, Let us add another argument to the day.
We dont want to spend the next 100 years getting back that which is rightfully ours.
We pay for ACC,
We vote in the government to ensure that our country is run in the best way possibile for the people, not in the best way possiblie to make money for other nations..We need to protect our country from tryrany.

Bikeoi II as suggested starting on the friday from Invercargill and Auckland, with a meeting in Wellington could be a major event to organise, but it could produce support from many other than bikers. as it could be opened up for all to become involved under the leadership of us riders, who have earnt respect from a lot of the public in the past two weeks.
Keep the ball rolling, yes, in the MANS face yes, in the media, yes,
Lets remind the people they have a voice, they have a vote, and remind the govt that they are our employees, not our dictators.
My ramble for the day.
Dave

[Reckless]

Waitangi Day - good idea

[caseye]

Waitangi Day 6 February Saturday 6 February

the significance of this day alone is fuel.

The remembrance of the colonial government ripping of the people of the time. Its happening again.

OK, you can argue the dispute of Waitangi Day , thats not whats at stake, so if you object on the grounds of whatever, dont post please that objection, this is just a suggestion.

The present Government is trying to smoke screen the privatization of ACC, they are in it, IMO, soley for the money. We need to object loudly about this.

Waitangi Day is a day for protests historically, a day when the people for years have spoken out against the unjustness of the system, Let us add another argument to the day.
We dont want to spend the next 100 years getting back that which is rightfully ours.
We pay for ACC,
We vote in the government to ensure that our country is run in the best way possibile for the people, not in the best way possiblie to make money for other nations..We need to protect our country from tryrany.

Bikeoi II as suggested starting on the friday from Invercargill and Auckland, with a meeting in Wellington could be a major event to organise, but it could produce support from many other than bikers. as it could be opened up for all to become involved under the leadership of us riders, who have earnt respect from a lot of the public in the past two weeks.
Keep the ball rolling, yes, in the MANS face yes, in the media, yes,
Lets remind the people they have a voice, they have a vote, and remind the govt that they are our employees, not our dictators.
My ramble for the day.
Dave

Damn fine idea, but who said we have to travel huge distances.
Sth Island meet in Christchurch, fiil up the square with leaflet bearing bikers.
North Isalnd fill up the whole of the main shopping centre in Taupo, leaflets and bikers again.
Both Isalnds have a target destination, everyone from all over both Isalnds can take their time getting there and back and no one needs to take time off work.
Message, simple. NZ'ers against ACC being privatised and fees going up for ALL Motorists.
We get together with as many organisations as we can and invite them to attend in/on any sort of transport they can.
This could be devastatingly Huge if the Govt saw how many people came to it.
The key things are.
Announce Bikeoi ll.
Simple explanation to the general public as to why we're still fighting.
ie:National are fattening ACC for sale to private Co's this affects us all badly by way of increased fees and levies.
How many people we can get to the venues.
Just my thoughts use em, rip em apart, make them better or more interesting but we must not let the momentum lag.
Timing in The New Year and numbers are the essential keys I believe.

[Cloggy]

Waitangi weekend sounds like a good idea at this stage. It is traditionally a very busy weekend on our roads. It bikers converged to central gathering points in both islands, Christchurch and Taupo for example as suggested, the impact this would have on everyone travelling that weekend could be huge. But we won't been seen as disruptive and targetting Joe Public as we are merely travelling to our gathering points.

[MSTRS]

'Hitting' Taupo would not win us any friends. If cagers are to be affected, we need to be more irritating, than totally disruptive.

[caseye]

'Hitting' Taupo would not win us any friends. If cagers are to be affected, we need to be more irritating, than totally disruptive.

No one said hitting Taupo was intended to cause the general public nuisance, but hey if we're going to do anything, it now has to be big and if it's big by definition, though it may well be peaceful and organised, it will inconveniece people.
Suggest another place we could park several thousand bikes and other vehicles in view of the general public without causing total chaos( I was thinking parking everyone on the side roads and streets in the back of the towns main centre) The reference to filling up the main street was as I said, " with bikers and leaflets"
I've simply put forward a venue and an idea.

[Reckless]

I dunno why but I thought Ixion was suggesting another trip to parliament not local gatherings in the South Is and Taupo??
Make the bastards work on the weekend LOL!!

[Ixion]

Dunno. I floated the idea, I don't have any particular preconceptions.

Thing with local gatherings, is why are they more newsworthy than (say) any of the South Island rallies.

From Joe Q's point of view, just a bunch of bikers meeting up. Ho hum

Is there a National party national conference ?

[caseye]

Well Les, if for instance we made Taupo a destination,the sheer size of the numbers converging there from all points of the Nth Island, Bikes , cars, trucks, etc would make the news.
Then if we had just one or two key(yuk that word) speakers, not a lot of time talking, bikers and others to distribute our message in written form, save ACC for lack of a better slogan , for now. In the main drag of Taupo in full view of passing joe P's and the media.
No agro just a huge gathering of like minded souls in a great town.
And don't think for a minute I don't know what your doing Mr Ixion, as things firm up I'm sure those contributing thoughts and ideas here may well be tapped on the shoulder.
I'm up for it.

[MSTRS]

No one said hitting Taupo was intended to cause the general public nuisance, but hey if we're going to do anything, it now has to be big and if it's big by definition, though it may well be peaceful and organised, it will inconvenience people.
Suggest another place we could park several thousand bikes and other vehicles in view of the general public without causing total chaos( I was thinking parking everyone on the side roads and streets in the back of the towns main centre) The reference to filling up the main street was as I said, " with bikers and leaflets"
I've simply put forward a venue and an idea.

Suggestions are good. Not knocking that at all. I merely think that Taupo is probably not a good place to inconvenience the public. If the aim is to be total chaos, then Taupo would be perfect. I don't think we're at that stage yet.

[scissorhands]

I like Waitangi day, but still think National Party HQ regional centers.

National is driving this ACC thing, it should be on their doorstep that we arrive.

Are the office locations in main streets or tucked away?

[Subike]

Expanding upon the idea,
If we were to try and get a "Beware of the motor cycle" campain going for the week before Waitangi, and get ACC to fund it. ( prevention )so that on the weekend, we have gatherings in several centers, or.....
Planed group rides of 20 or so bikes with a large vehicle advertising motor cycle awareness, traveling behind each mob as a protection.
These mobs could contain the mandatory learner, so are restricted to 70kph legally.
So?
The overall effect is what we are after.
If the main roads from each main town, north island , south island, every major route on that weekend were riden, thus be slower than usuall, as we place our message. .
Now.
Since we would be lowering the road speed for the week end to 70kph on the countrys main roads, the side effect could be a NILL road toll for the weekend. Achievable!
We would be satisfying the bikers who want to cause a stirr up protest , and get car drivers attention with the right banners, and get truckers car clubs, veteran and vintage , even cyclists involved, the more the better.
Again if it is seen as being Motor cyclists organising and leading this, then it has the potential of reaching a majority of the nation.
It could be one awsome weekend for all involved, a world first, and arguments that we bikers are keen to be safe and seen.
I know it could be a mind bender to organise, but if it could be done... no agro...lots of media coverage...TV advertising in the week before for rider saftey( paid for by ACC of course ) AND getting the message out there big time about what the goverment proposes to do with ACC.
We have proven to be capable of having clout with BIKEOI, could this be a way of bring the attention of the whole country to the situation.
again just ideas for us all to expand upon, or toss in the garbage tin

[Cloggy]

This is the address which lists National party events.
Perhaps we could start by "attending" these events, preferably arriving well beforehand and taking all the available carparks surrounding the venues.
http://www.national.org.nz/Events/Events.aspx

[taff1954]

Time, no need to worry about the time and date, I say 2nd weekend of DST next year but its only a thought

Now take our time, make a good slogan, contact the right media (I say James Deuce for BIKEOI || official journo) and plan wisely

As Les pointed out up there above, the rushed effort was horrendously stressful

Brent, you've hit the nail on the head. Planning is everything. Give ourselves the time to plan, then execute that plan.

With the support of ACT and the Maori party, National can push the changes through, no doubt on that. We need to keep them looking over their shoulders. Elsewhere in this thread, someone mentioned 3-monthly local events. Keeping the campaign in the public eye, then a (or two, one NI, one SI) massive event to culminate the year.

We are all (I hope) here for the long haul.

[ridenshine]

I don't think we should reckon on BIKEOI!-2 changing any decisions. For that (if it's possible at all) we need that constant pressure between now and late january.

BIKEOI!-2 would be to send the "No - not good enough we're still angry" message.

Need to bear in mind that for riders outside Wellington, there is potentially a need for time off work (maybe less so if it's on a weekend). That could be tricky for many - time off for BIKEOI!-1, time off at Christmas, not going to have much leave left.

Should it be in Wellington? Obviously has to be if we intend to rock up to parliament. But, not much point in doing that if there's no-one else there, which would be the case at the weekend.

So , if we went with a weekend event, a case could be made for it not being in Wellington.

On the other hand, I can't think of any other really logical place.


How about getting 250 bikes to ride between the 2 Plimmerton round-a-bouts for a couple of hours = closed sh1 in and out of Wellington all within the law.

[Pedrostt500]

How about getting 250 bikes to ride between the 2 Plimmerton round-a-bouts for a couple of hours = closed sh1 in and out of Wellington all within the law.

Yes with in the Law but would do our creadibility with the public no amount of damage.

Try this on for size.
Get about a dozen bikes together of different makes and models & sizes, park up in a high foot traffic area on a Saturday or Sunday, have some well written leaflets on hand,and a couple of banners, maybe a BBQ, $1 a sausage, $5 a ride on one of the bikes, say a 2km pre arranged route, with all the relivant gear.
This way you are interacting with the Public rather than Pissing Off our Support, any money gathered from the Sausage sizzle and bike rides goes to a charity, that is named before the event.

[short-circuit]

Yes with in the Law but would do our creadibility with the public no amount of damage.

Try this on for size.
Get about a dozen bikes together of different makes and models & sizes, park up in a high foot traffic area on a Saturday or Sunday, have some well written leaflets on hand,and a couple of banners, maybe a BBQ, $1 a sausage, $5 a ride on one of the bikes, say a 2km pre arranged route, with all the relivant gear.
This way you are interacting with the Public rather than Pissing Off our Support, any money gathered from the Sausage sizzle and bike rides goes to a charity, that is named before the event.

Yeah coz that'll pressure a government into a policy turnaround :stupid:

[Ixion]

Not really going to put the fear of the Biker Gods into Mr Smith, though, is it.

[vindy500]

what if we did a caroi, to show em were more than just bikers, were motorists

[short-circuit]

Not really going to put the fear of the Biker Gods into Mr Smith, though, is it.

No - nothing we have done so far has or will.

People have been mobilised. The counter-argument has been clearly articulated - thank you Ixion, StoneY, Mom etc

The stakes need to be raised

[Pedrostt500]

Not really going to put the fear of the Biker Gods into Mr Smith, though, is it.

So how do we get 20,000 motorcyclists to ride on Wellington?.
Turn Bikeoi 2010 into a week long event.
So how do we Make it a Week long Event?.

[ridenshine]

Yes with in the Law but would do our creadibility with the public no amount of damage.

Try this on for size.
Get about a dozen bikes together of different makes and models & sizes, park up in a high foot traffic area on a Saturday or Sunday, have some well written leaflets on hand,and a couple of banners, maybe a BBQ, $1 a sausage, $5 a ride on one of the bikes, say a 2km pre arranged route, with all the relivant gear.
This way you are interacting with the Public rather than Pissing Off our Support, any money gathered from the Sausage sizzle and bike rides goes to a charity, that is named before the event.

When do we stop playing nice and hit them hard? If we show them a taste of what we can do they may sit up and take note!

[short-circuit]

When do we stop playing nice and hit them hard? If we show them a taste of what we can do they may sit up and take note!

Sooner the better.

[Pedrostt500]

When do we stop playing nice and hit them hard? If we show them a taste of what we can do they may sit up and take note!

And Say what a bunch of Loosers, Politicians don't give a fuck if you piss the Public off, the Public gives a fuck, if the public is Pissed off, then they ask the Politicians to do some thing about you, Ie the car crushing law, against Boi Racers, and you think they won't use it against bikes?.

[reemit]

Wherever the TV cameras might be covering a big event in the future, perhaps.

[Naki Rat]

Yes with in the Law but would do our creadibility with the public no amount of damage.

Try this on for size.
Get about a dozen bikes together of different makes and models & sizes, park up in a high foot traffic area on a Saturday or Sunday, have some well written leaflets on hand,and a couple of banners, maybe a BBQ, $1 a sausage, $5 a ride on one of the bikes, say a 2km pre arranged route, with all the relivant gear.
This way you are interacting with the Public rather than Pissing Off our Support, any money gathered from the Sausage sizzle and bike rides goes to a charity, that is named before the event.

Good for public relations but will take a lot of effort for not a great lot of exposure. Also there is probably issues with offering rides for reward in terms of safety liability and licence to take passengers/fares. An off would be a PR disaster :(

[Pixie]

Blood runs to major donation centers

[Shadows]

Planed group rides of 20 or so bikes with a large vehicle advertising motor cycle awareness, traveling behind each mob as a protection.
These mobs could contain the mandatory learner, so are restricted to 70kph legally.
So?
The overall effect is what we are after.
If the main roads from each main town, north island , south island, every major route on that weekend were riden, thus be slower than usuall, as we place our message. .
Now.
Since we would be lowering the road speed for the week end to 70kph on the countrys main roads, the side effect could be a NILL road toll for the weekend. Achievable!

Good idea in theory.

But in practise you'll probably find it will only result in more accidents as a result of impatient people and poorly planned overtaking maneouvres.

Most likely involving bikes too.

[mashman]

No - nothing we have done so far has or will.

People have been mobilised. The counter-argument has been clearly articulated - thank you Ixion, StoneY, Mom etc

The stakes need to be raised

Here's a user guide on just how to do that from another thread!

[Waxxa]

keep focused on National and ACC. Bowl up to ACC with our statistics, continuously, attend National party meetings and in a co-ordinated manner put the squeeze on them.

Smaller impromtu protests can keep these actions going while a bigger event can be organised in the meantime.

[Naki Rat]

keep focused on National and ACC. Bowel up to ACC with our statistics, continuously, attend National party meetings and in a co-ordinated manner put the squeeze on them.

Smaller impromtu protests can keep these actions going while a bigger event can be organised in the meantime.

Is that like shit on them like they are on us :shit:

[Waxxa]

been a hard morning Naki' but yeah, kind of...

[StoneY]

Think a small slow protest rolled through welly today, 16 or so big loud cruisers, slow as hell down Lambton Quay

Looked good too!

[Ms Piggy]

14th Feb would be ironic a valentines present for the government :girlfight:

Not to mention a truly romantic way to spend time with your beloved...your bike that is! :love:

[phred]

I like the Waitangi day suggestion. It has become a day where greivances are aired.
As for a venus, what is wrong with 20,000 bikers turning up at Waitangi to remind national that we are unhappy with their levy proposals and no longer secret agenda for ACC?

Regardless of the final decision I am in for the next Bikeoi. Time off work must be organised otherwise I will need another job just to pay ACC levies.

[P38]

Is there going to be a nation wide petition?

Good chance to engauge the public and also to show the Nats that the public support spreads wider than just motorcyclists.

I'm a starter for another Bikeoi run too.

[rustic101]

Here's a user guide on just how to do that from another thread!

Quote. They are very wise words and a parctise I use often:mellow:

[mashman]

Quote. They are very wise words and a parctise I use often:mellow:

It's no more complicated than hearts and minds (as that's all human beings are)... and some have truly lost both! :blink: i almost class myself in that category too... My saviour, believe it of not, BIKEOI!

[Bodir]

Looks like it should be another Bikeoi 2009 as the w@#$%^& will discuss the increase in levies this year. :soon:

Maybe we should aim for the 15000 as stated in another thread. One a side note, how about we mobilise a joint action, get the other groups involved at the same time, imagine the possible turnout.

Maybe we can get some "celebrities" to join in. Our government has already declared war on Xena :spanking: The public is easier included if they hear it from "known" people.

I know it is hard to organise an event on such short notice, but we have much to loose.

[RiderInBlack]

Times I would like are:
A Parliament Sitting Day before they vote on this.
Last Parliament Sitting Day before they close for the Christmas Brake.
The First Parliament Sitting Day in the New Year.

The Bikeoi need to be on days the Pratts are there. No point in gathering around an emtpy building in the Weekends or on a Public Holiday, the Buggers need to be there to make them squirm.

[Bald Eagle]

Last Parliament Sitting Day before they close for the Christmas Brake.

I like that idea - can we get that actual date. No play nice this time we ride to Parliament all 15000 of us.

[Usarka]

Last Parliament Sitting Day before they close for the Christmas Brake.

I like that idea - can we get that actual date. No play nice this time we ride to Parliament all 15000 of us.


Just don't park 400 bikes in front of the parliament driveway :whistle:

[MSTRS]

Wouldn't it be better (and easier to get HUGE numbers) if Auckland was the target?
South Islanders can 'do' Chch.

[RiderInBlack]

Last Parliament Sitting Day before they close for the Christmas Brake.

I like that idea - can we get that actual date. No play nice this time we ride to Parliament all 15000 of us.

The House sitting programme shows the agreed sitting days for the House of Representatives. Normal sitting hours are:

Tuesdays and Wednesdays: 2 p.m. To 6 p.m. And 7.30 p.m. To 10 p.m.


Thursdays: 2 p.m. To 6 p.m.


December

8, 9, 10, 15, 16, 17 and 22
From here: http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PB/Business/Programme/9/4/d/00CLOOCThisWkProgramme1-House-sitting-programme.htm
Doen't show sitting times for 2010 yet though.

[Mr Merde]

IS anything being done on this day in this area?

The bullshitters home patch and open to General Public.

Also a Xmas party in the Kaikoura area on the same day again open to the general public.



Nelson electorate Christmas Party

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[StoneY]

Ok theres now 7 pages of various opinions, side tracks, and trolls

Back to the POINT of the topic, especially after yesterdays drama's of Nicks Myths and divide/conquere tactics

WHEN will BIKEOI II happen?

I think Feburary would be a good idea.
Loads of people have to recover from BIKEOI, get through Chrsitmas and New Year (I myself have a new home to move into, major project)

Feb has HOG Rally, Waitangi Day, and afew other distractions BUT I think we need to strike while the irons still warm at least

Given the time of year, any December effort will be pathetic IMO beyond reasonable sized local actions

Any attempt at another NATIONAL event would fizzle
Even then, Feb may be too close too


So......

WHEN!

[mashman]

All this talk of sitting... who practical is a sit in protest?

[mashman]

WHEN will BIKEOI II happen?

I think Feburary would be a good idea.


ditto



Loads of people have to recover from BIKEOI, get through Chrsitmas and New Year (I myself have a new home to move into, major project)


ditto

Waitangi Day has been mentioned before and what better day would there be for some form of "educational" protest. Perhaps a walk down the major shopping streets of major cities, in groups of say 10 (lots of groups), explaining what the new levies (there will hopefully be a decision by then) will mean to job public. I've already got some of the guys at work scratching their heads, because they don't fully understand what these levies are about, they don't understand that a profit was made last year, they don't understand that this is one of the first moves towards privatisation... It's time for education (nice to have media time, but doubt they'll cover it), time to call on the passion that you guys obviously have for your country, hearts and minds... you can get neither if you don't explain yourself properly...

Want over, sorry if it's trollable

[RiderInBlack]

Agree that it is too late to get anything really big organised before Feb. Parliament doesn't Sit until Feb in the New Year anyway. Would allow people who do shift work like myself to book the time off too. But we shouldn't leave it any longer than that.
Dam Media is still banging the line that ACC is Broke and having to make cut backs:argh:

[XP@]

Now is the time to invite our friends.
If we really want to make an impact then we have to divert the media away from the "bikers moaning about their $500 increase" and show off the whole scope of the change. Sure the bike levy is going up but the increase the salary deduction and petrol are as bad. The fundamental changes are what we need to fight on.

We should be contacting other organisations representing other affected parties: unions, grey power and truckers to name but a few. Having people walking, on mobility scooters, cycling, riding, driving and trucking in protest will be the only real way to get the full message across that it is NZ being shafted.

To welcome all and include what we are protesting changing the name to ACCOI (pronounced Ack-oi) may be an option.

[chanceyy]

Early feb, just remember waitangi day the bay of islands is where the pollies will be ..

[Bald Eagle]

Early feb, just remember waitangi day the bay of islands is where the pollies will be ..

Agree but that's also where most of NZ take their hols.
Strong Auckland based local mini-bikeoi to Waitangi would be great to see. The next National goes to Parliament when they resume after their Xmas break. A nice big welcome back and we don't play so nice this time.

[chanceyy]

Agree but that's also where most of NZ take their hols.
Strong Auckland based local mini-bikeoi to Waitangi would be great to see. The next National goes to Parliament when they resume after their Xmas break. A nice big welcome back and we don't play so nice this time.

:clap:Sounds like a plan :wari:

[klingon]

I vote for the first parliamentary sitting day in the new year - usually mid-Feb. Gives us a chance to get organised! Also the weather is likely to be good... :)

[Bald Eagle]

I vote for the first parliamentary sitting day in the new year - usually mid-Feb. Gives us a chance to get organised! Also the weather is likely to be good... :)
my vote also

[kave]

If we want to see significantly higher numbers than last time it needs to be on a weekend (and ideally during uni holidays). The problem with holding the protest at parliament is that the grounds slope away from the Beehive, which makes crowds look smaller than they are. The numbers that actually will see the protest pale into insignificance against the numbers that will hear about and see it on the media. We need to make sure it is a huge spectacle.

[Ixion]

I feel we need to think this through very carefully

I do not think we can rely on getting as many bikes as BIKEOI-1. I realise we are all very committed.But BIKEOI-1 only got so many because a LOT on bikers who aren't involved with KB, or BRONZ, or Ulysses turned up.

By February, the actual levies will be a done deal. Many bikers (including many KB/BRONZ/Ulysses ones) will tune out by then - the levies are set, they'll either accept that and pay up, or decide to not rego or whatever. They won't see much point in protesting what's already settled.

That's actually OK, we've shown we can turn out the numbers we don't have to turn them out every time. That's the point of a show of strength, you do it so that you don't need to repeat it.

And I'm not sure that we need to focus so much on being at Parliament. They know where we are coming from , and we won't have the "wow" factor so much.

As far as Parliament goes, it would probably be better to have a small delegation , picked to represent the spectrum of bikers (old , young, scooters , male , female etc) , than just try for numbers , unless we can be VERY confident of getting at least as many as last time. To go to Parliament with 50 bikes, as a delegation (with unspeciifed thousands in the background) , is better than going with 1000 as a protest. The 1000 looks liek we tried to repeat BIKE)1-1, and failed. 50 looks like that's what we intended, and succeeded.

I'm thinking 3 or 4 regional Bikois (note lower case!), focused on major centres, with a high level delegation at parliament,all happening at the same time. And perhaps the regional Bikeoi-s being actual rides through the towns and cities in the region. So we get seval thousand bikes in all the major towns in NZ over the course of a single day

That also enables us to focus the parliamentary delegation as a "solution finding " model rather than a "noisy protest" model.

Somewhere along the line, we are going to have to try to engage with the government, not just protest. We can't beat the government, it's too big.

I'd like to LEVERAGE BIKEOI-1, not try to repeat it. BIKEOI-1 was the sledgehammer of biker anger. Better now to start building , rather than keep bashing away with the sledgehammer.

And, if we are settling in for a long campaign, building up regional strength and presence is more important than another Wellington appearance. We can't keep riding to Wellington every three or four months - even if we could put the troops intot he field, the public would get bored with it . Massive regional presence, hammering at the MPs in the region will give us a better return .

Just my opinion, I think we have a lot of debate to go through yet.

[phred]

I think Ixions strategy is a good one. I'm in whatever is planned but I don't want to turn up at Parliament and be written off as a failed protest.
I like the regional plan as the ease of getting to each protest site should enable us to get a bigger overall total presence than Bikeoi1.
I think the timing should be just after the Ministers get traditionally abused at Waitange so that before they can relax they have us to deal with. NO let up in the stress.

[Pedrostt500]

Mid Febuary is when the Summer Recess ends I dont know the exact date, Pointless any ride / march on Parliment before then, My thoughts for Bikeoi 2 is it intergrates with all efected groups, Motorcyclists just being part of that group.
Between Now and mid Febuary it would be good if the motorcycle Industry could do some advertising on our behalf, if its hurting us its hurting them harder, so Mr Suzuki NZ, Mr Honda NZ, Mr Yamaha NZ, Mr Kawasaki NZ, and the other Importers and distributers please don,t be shy to pick up the bat and step up to the plate, if not for us the bikers, at least for your Retailers, who are going to get Slaughtered over this.

[blossomsowner]

I'm in for another one.first one was great........try harder to get Blossom there this time.
Also need to get the public informed.......plenty of people have no idea that petrol levy will increase, car levy will increase, and earner levy will increase giving less pay each week. If they actually get the facts and stop to think about it they just might get annoyed as well........

[Mcycle]

I feel we need to think this through very carefully



I'd like to LEVERAGE BIKEOI-1, not try to repeat it. BIKEOI-1 was the sledgehammer of biker anger. Better now to start building , rather than keep bashing away with the sledgehammer.



I agree, with Ixions wise words. Bikeoi-2 runs risks of; a.) ho hum it is them whinging bikers again, and b.) If it is smaller than Bikeoi-1 it then it runs the risk of sending a message that bikers interest in the issue is declining.

We should pause, and let the Nat's make their decision. Will they back down? I doubt it... but we'll know in late December.

If we are still unsatisfied after the decision is announced, then we should announce our dissatisfaction and the start of a major civil disobedience campaign..... masses of registrations 'on-hold' etc etc ....http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/smilies/2guns.gif.

In the meantime we should all write to ACC seeking access to their analysis of the recent phoney submissions process ( citing the Information Act etc.) Based on this research we might find good grounds to mount a legal challenge on the ACC's phoney process and/or a Judicial review.

I strongly recommend that if we ever plan a Bikeoi-2 - let us do it in conjunction with ALL the others that are unhappy with the Nat's privatisation agenda for ACC. If we combine with the Greens, Labour, Unions, Counsellors, etc etc a combined Bikeoi-2 could be HUGE...... but first we must wait... as much depends on the nature of what the Nats decide.

[Pedrostt500]

I agree, with Ixions wise words. Bikeoi-2 runs risks of; a.) ho hum it is them whinging bikers again, and b.) If it is smaller than Bikeoi-1 it then it runs the risk of sending a message that bikers interest in the issue is declining.

We should pause, and let the Nat's make their decision. Will they back down? I doubt it... but we'll know in late December.

If we are still unsatisfied after the decision is announced, then we should announce our dissatisfaction and the start of a major civil disobedience campaign..... masses of registrations 'on-hold' etc etc ....http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/smilies/2guns.gif.

In the meantime we should all write to ACC seeking access to their analysis of the recent phoney submissions process ( citing the Information Act etc.) Based on this research we might find good grounds to mount a legal challenge on the ACC's phoney process and/or a Judicial review.

I strongly recommend that if we ever plan a Bikeoi-2 - let us do it in conjunction with ALL the others that are unhappy with the Nat's privatisation agenda for ACC. If we combine with the Greens, Labour, Unions, Counsellors, etc etc a combined Bikeoi-2 could be HUGE...... but first we must wait... as much depends on the nature of what the Nats decide.

I know how much work was involved in getting bikoi 09 off the ground and happening, Waiting is not the Answer, Bikeoi 2010 should be planned for ASAP,and date set for the new year, as if we waste time waiting for ACC and the Government, we cut ourselves short on time, also other groups need to get them selves up to speed, Bikeoi 2010 should not be about Just Motorcyclests, it needs to be about All affected groups, we have a good working model from bikeoi 09, this could be used as a template for Bikeoi 2010, or what ever it is decided to be called.
We need to keep the Pot Simmering so we can bring it up to Boil when We want and need it to happen, Not let the pot go cold and walk away and say "She'll Be Right".

[MSTRS]

... Bikeoi 2010, or what ever it is decided to be called....

I don't have a name (Bikeoi is good anyway) but the mission statement could be "Bullshit! wasn't enough. Time to deliver Ol'Nick a shit sandwich".

[OV Lander]

Some observations:

- The date of any action needs to be PRIOR to key decisions. My understanding is that the Select Committee are to issue their report on 12th February...
...how do we influence them BEFORE 12th Feb?

- Other groups are now (slowly!) realising that they are impacted by these changes aswell (Quads, farmers, workers... the list will grow!)...
...we should be looking to leverage their numbers and participate in a "Combined National Rally" with unions, impacted maori groups etc...

BIKERS DO NOT HAVE TO DO THIS ALONE YOU KNOW!

[Footless]

It seems to me that there is a distinct lack of National MP's showing up a the organised rally's. They are not responding to invites.
Maybe we need to pay them a visit.

[_STAIN_]

Bikeoi 11... Rescue acc

[RiderInBlack]

Waiting is not the Answer, Bikeoi 2010 should be planned for ASAP,and date set for the new year, as if we waste time waiting for ACC and the Government, we cut ourselves short on time, also other groups need to get them selves up to speed, Bikeoi 2010 should not be about Just Motorcyclests, it needs to be about All affected groups, ...We need to keep the Pot Simmering so we can bring it up to Boil when We want and need it to happen, Not let the pot go cold and walk away and say "She'll Be Right".Dam right. We need not fear that the 2nd "Bikeoi" would be a failure if we start planning now. Not doing anything NOW is like giving up and telling them they have won. I rather a "Bikeoi" that had only had half the turn out of the first one than that.
Keep us stirred up.
Stir Up the others effected by this.
Don't Let us get complacent.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Seems to me that we need to demonstrate unity. Unity beyond just motorcyclists.

Politicians are only swayed by potential vote losses or gains. They simply couldn't give a toss about anything else.

Imagine if the majority of trade unions each sent a delegate along to argue that their members don't want to pay another $500 or $800 in earners levies and vehicle levies each. The implication is that hundreds of thousands of workers are unhappy campers. That's a lot of voters to piss off.

Problem is, contacting the various union delegates and putting a fire under them would be a fairly sizable task that would require a lot of co-ordination to keep them all on the same page.

[MSTRS]

Seems to me that we need to demonstrate unity. Unity beyond just motorcyclists.

Politicians are only swayed by potential vote losses or gains. They simply couldn't give a toss about anything else.

Imagine if the majority of trade unions each sent a delegate along to argue that their members don't want to pay another $500 or $800 in earners levies and vehicle levies each. The implication is that hundreds of thousands of workers are unhappy campers. That's a lot of voters to piss off.

Problem is, contacting the various union delegates and putting a fire under them would be a fairly sizable task that would require a lot of co-ordination to keep them all on the same page.

National will not be worried by Trade Unions, as such. The members are not (generally) National voters anyway.
The other point is that we don't need to 'co-ordinate' them either. They are very capable of organising themselves to protest etc.
Sure, we need them, but as long as they have the info and understand the meaning for them, they will do what they need to on their behalf. Which adds to our campaign as well.
This thing is poised to gather and generate it's own momentum. All we need to do is pull the trigger in a couple of select places, and it'll roll on by itself.
All while we continue our side of it.

[StoneY]

Im seeing a new plan

A Biker initiated and led, but including ALL groups who wanna be concerned, sex victims, car owners, cyclists, workers unions, you name it

have a huge march out of the stadium (again lol) over to Parliament and let em have it from 15,000 people from EVERY walk, and we lead

Restrict Bikeoi to local rallys, and then call this new super march 'Save the ACC March' etc whatever suits

I for one am happy to arrange Wellington again :lol:

[Toaster]

I'm in for that :)

[yungatart]

Im seeing a new plan

A Biker initiated and led, but including ALL groups who wanna be concerned, sex victims, car owners, cyclists, workers unions, you name it

have a huge march out of the stadium (again lol) over to Parliament and let em have it from 15,000 people from EVERY walk, and we lead

Restrict Bikeoi to local rallys, and then call this new super march 'Save the ACC March' etc whatever suits

I for one am happy to arrange Wellington again :lol:

I believe very strongly that our elderly are very concerned about this....
I think we need to be talking to Grey Power....

[Pedrostt500]

Im seeing a new plan

A Biker initiated and led, but including ALL groups who wanna be concerned, sex victims, car owners, cyclists, workers unions, you name it

have a huge march out of the stadium (again lol) over to Parliament and let em have it from 15,000 people from EVERY walk, and we lead

Restrict Bikeoi to local rallys, and then call this new super march 'Save the ACC March' etc whatever suits

I for one am happy to arrange Wellington again :lol:

My thoughts were a huge March from Civic Square, with all affected groups, lead the way with Sir Owen Woodhouse in a side car of a well presented vintage motorcycle riden by a freindly Politician, so it can be ridden into Parliment Grounds,
Will speak with you about other thoughts.

[Kevnz]

A march is a great idea. As many cities as we can on the same day at the same time. The "Who's Next ? " ACC March will get people thinking.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I believe very strongly that our elderly are very concerned about this....
I think we need to be talking to Grey Power....

That is an excellent idea.

As is a march. Everybody can identify with a march. :rockon:

[chanceyy]

Good Idea Stoney

you got my contact details :D :done:

[Ms Piggy]

My thoughts were a huge March from Civic Square, with all affected groups, lead the way with Sir Owen Woodhouse in a side car of a well presented vintage motorcycle riden by a freindly Politician, so it can be ridden into Parliment Grounds,
Will speak with you about other thoughts.

I'm liking this idea! And I agree that right from the beginning we have used the phrase "Who's next?". So let's utilise the next few months to contact other groups that will be affected. :wari:

[StoneY]

My thoughts were a huge March from Civic Square, with all affected groups, lead the way with Sir Owen Woodhouse in a side car of a well presented vintage motorcycle riden by a freindly Politician, so it can be ridden into Parliment Grounds,
Will speak with you about other thoughts.

We could get Mike Dobsons classic BMW WW2 Sidecar.....and I am sure I can negotiate access for Sir Owen, or we have Rick barker ride in the gate!!!

[grbaker]

I'm in...and I'll drag a few along.

Hopefully you don't organise it for me holiday... but I'll take time off me holiday for this.:rockon:

[Bald Eagle]

I'm in...and I'll drag a few along.

Hopefully you don't organise it for me holiday... but I'll take time off me holiday for this.:rockon:
Or check this out National Relay (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=114375)