Ok my rant for the night.

[wingrider]

Firstly a bit about myself.
I am 55 years old, self employed, married with 4 grown children and 5 grand children.

Left school at 15 with no formal qualifications.
Served an apprentiship.
I have worked for 40 years in various industries.
I have worked for various employers.
I have worked under various governments
I have been a union delegate.
I have been a motorcyclist for 40 years

Two employers gave me the foundations to develop respectful employer-employee relationships that also gave me life skills to allow me to have the courage to buy my own business.
I have been employed under both the Employment Contract Act and the Employment Relations Act.
In all my working life, I have only ever taken industrial action when there has been a National Government in power.

Yes I am a Labour voter.
I am also a person with strong Christian beliefs.

I have followed this forum for only a short time as a direct result of again a National Party Policy to rape the average Joe Blogs.

Employers were always considered to be friends of the National party. Anything to increase their personal wealth at the expense of the worker seemed norm.

The Muldoon and Shipley eras were some of the worst years in my working life.
And it was during this time that I saw many employers switch codes.

National enacted the ACC, the only positive act they ever achieved in my opinion. Today I have witnessed the start of a return to the past.

Yes along with the majority I became angry at what I saw as a sell-out by the last Labour government and wanted a change, But when I saw the arrangements being promoted by National and the minority parties prior to the election, I became concerned as to where we would be headed within 3 years.
What I didn’t see (possible due to ignorance) was how we would be treated within their first 12 months of office.

No amount of persuasion by the people to repeal acts that were abhorrent to the average person. (Anti smacking).
Deliberate vote buying to increase the wealth of a few at the expense of many (ETS).
The desire to remove the protection for all if injured in an accident. Again to promote personal wealth for a few.

There are so many actions from their past that I could relate to but I don’t have the time nor the space.

National and several of the minority parties, have entered into a coalition that will start another division within society that may result in civil unrest. Their lies and deception have opened a sore that was believed to have been healed.
People are already talking of being forced to take unlawful actions just to survive.
Race relations will deteriorate to a level not seen before.

We, normal everyday persons with perhaps just one common factor, (a love and passion for motorcycling), achieved in the space of two weeks, something that no one else has achieved, the biggest protest seen at Parliament.
And we have raised the public awareness of what is going on..
LETS BUILD ON THAT IMPACT.

What could we achieve if not only do we protest in respect of the ACC changes but we expand and highlight the other concerns and actively use our protests to enhance public awareness.

This is not about just changes that National are embarking on. It is about getting a groundswell started to ensure that ALL political parties are told that no longer will we accept lies and deception as a memorandum of right from anyone.

It’s about time ALL existing and future politicians got the message that you are all our elected representatives. You did not come to the table as a result of birthright. You are employees of the state and as such, we your employers, expect you to perform your duties in accordance with the laws that govern us all.

We are a democracy not a dictatorship.

MODS, feel free to delete or shift as you see fit.

I expect to get a roasting but I feel i have a right to say my bit as well as respect your right to disagree.

So lets agree to disagree right from the start and not turn this into something it dont need to be.

[NighthawkNZ]

I expect to get a roasting

I'll have the roast pork,... ;)

well said actually

[pete376403]

That's my story too, almost to a T. I'm a wee bit older, 1 more grandchild, never been a union delegate (but I have been a union member) and I'm not self employed.
Other than that, ditto.

And i agree with all you (very well) wrote. I'll see you at the barricades.

(no adherent to any formal religion, but I try and live by the "treat others as you would have them treat you" thing)

[Elysium]

I voted Winston. :wari:


But in reply to your post I myself wasn't fooled by Nationals promises and think of people who voted for National just for tax cuts as fools. Why? Because they give with one hand and take with the other, they'd have just taxed the money back again. Better to put the money into Health, roading Kiwi Saver etc...

The BIKEOI was my first ever particpation in a protest and was surpised to have been told it was the largest Parliament had ever seen, though they are small grounds so doesn't take that many people to fill.

[michael]

Brilliantly said, and the best grammar I've ever seen on KB. Very interesting post, too bad I'm to much of an idiot to give a constructive comment. I should have listened to my dad when he said be careful who you vote for, don't just be another sheep.

[AllanB]

I voted Winston.

Sorry Who? Wasn't he some candidate of Asian decent?



Under the Labour Dictatorship I received nothing, I was duly ignored for being a working, white fella. In fact apparently I worked too hard as we were not eligible for any form of family assistance. What I needed to do was breed more - two kids were not enough, we needed to give up our jobs, have more kids then we'd be noticed.

And it went on and on ....... good riddance to them I say.

Under National I have received a Tax cut (one) which they have promptly taken off me by adding extra costs to rego, fuel etc.

More shits I suspect.

Unions - in theory a good idea, in theory in a perfect world they are not even required. Unfortunately I have spent many years watching them screwing companies for every thing they could get - some of those companies do not exist anymore. And why are half of them run by imported Poms?

Employers - there always will be good and bad ones. At the end of the day if there were not any then we'd all be sucking on tree bark like the Greenies want us to and knitting our own cardies.

Lucky for me I have KB to keep me sane ....... it's nice in here. :apint:

[MadDuck]

I am 55 years old

OK I will be brave. Geez your old :clap::cool:

[Thaeos]

Last election was the first I could vote in, so I didn't/don't have a memory of past National parties doing bad things, but after everything that's come out of this government so far I can say I do not believe I will be voting National at any time in the future... but I didn't think much of Labour at the time either. Where's the Bikoi party lol :p

[wingrider]

OK I will be brave. Geez your old :clap::cool:

Ok I will edit my post to read
I am 55 years young and still winging it.

[wingrider]

Sorry Who? Wasn't he some candidate of Asian decent?



Under the Labour Dictatorship I received nothing, I was duly ignored for being a working, white fella. In fact apparently I worked too hard as we were not eligible for any form of family assistance. What I needed to do was breed more - two kids were not enough, we needed to give up our jobs, have more kids then we'd be noticed.

And it went on and on ....... good riddance to them I say.

Under National I have received a Tax cut (one) which they have promptly taken off me by adding extra costs to rego, fuel etc.

More shits I suspect.

Unions - in theory a good idea, in theory in a perfect world they are not even required. Unfortunately I have spent many years watching them screwing companies for every thing they could get - some of those companies do not exist anymore. And why are half of them run by imported Poms?

Employers - there always will be good and bad ones. At the end of the day if there were not any then we'd all be sucking on tree bark like the Greenies want us to and knitting our own cardies.

Lucky for me I have KB to keep me sane ....... it's nice in here. :apint:

Yep, was working when it was compulsory unionism run by the Poms.
hated it and what they stood for.
Most unions today run by kiwi's with some havin leaders who wont be railroaded into actions that have no positive outcome for either ermployee or employer.
Didnt agree with the nanny state either.
I believe in one rule for all

[wingrider]

Last election was the first I could vote in, so I didn't/don't have a memory of past National parties doing bad things, but after everything that's come out of this government so far I can say I do not believe I will be voting National at any time in the future... but I didn't think much of Labour at the time either. Where's the Bikoi party lol :p

At the next election, have a close look at each parties policies, More important, ask your local MP's if they are prepared to cross the floor to vote against something that their constituants dont agree with or are they just a puppet that will tow the party line.

Most important, vote for a party that wont comprimise you values or beliefs and offer protection for your family.

[wingrider]

Brilliantly said, and the best grammar I've ever seen on KB. Very interesting post, too bad I'm to much of an idiot to give a constructive comment. I should have listened to my dad when he said be careful who you vote for, don't just be another sheep.

thank you for your comments.
Please dont become a baaabbbbrrrraaaa.

[wingrider]

I voted Winston. :wari:


But in reply to your post I myself wasn't fooled by Nationals promises and think of people who voted for National just for tax cuts as fools. Why? Because they give with one hand and take with the other, they'd have just taxed the money back again. Better to put the money into Health, roading Kiwi Saver etc...

The BIKEOI was my first ever particpation in a protest and was surpised to have been told it was the largest Parliament had ever seen, though they are small grounds so doesn't take that many people to fill.

Agree with your sentimants.
Son in law is in parliment security. Confirms largest protest seen

[wingrider]

That's my story too, almost to a T. I'm a wee bit older, 1 more grandchild, never been a union delegate (but I have been a union member) and I'm not self employed.
Other than that, ditto.

And i agree with all you (very well) wrote. I'll see you at the barricades.

(no adherent to any formal religion, but I try and live by the "treat others as you would have them treat you" thing)

Ex upper hutt ite myself.

[wingrider]

I'll have the roast pork,... ;)

well said actually

ya want puha with that??

[wingrider]

My favorite quote

We will never find passion in things nor will we find passion in money. For the more things and money that we have the more we will use it as the metric and there will always be someone with more.
So our passion must come from the things that fuel us from inside. Honours and awards are nice things but only when they come with the respect of your real peers. And to be thought well of by people you respect and think highly of, is more rewarding and a tremendous honour.

Randy Pausche
Professor of Computer science and animated graphics
carnegie Melon university
USA

[Hopeful Bastard]

Where's the Bikoi party lol :p

Bill and Ben made one.. So did Legalize Marijuana.. So why shouldnt we have Bikeoi Party?

[jafar]

So why shouldnt we have Bikeoi Party?

Stranger things have happened :msn-wink:

Bikers would have more voting power than the Maori party or NZ first & be close to the Greens too IF you could get them all to vote. If we don't piss off too many of the public & could get them to vote for us we might even be able to get list seats in gibbermint.:devil2:

[Conquiztador]

Stranger things have happened :msn-wink:

Bikers would have more voting power than the Maori party or NZ first & be close to the Greens too IF you could get them all to vote. If we don't piss off too many of the public & could get them to vote for us we might even be able to get list seats in gibbermint.:devil2:

The only way we could become united is by focusing on biker issues (and even then there are those here who do not agree with the majority). Riding a bike only requires that you have a liking for bikes. Then the rest is unimportant. You can be a neo nazi, daily dope smoker, gang member, union delegate, lawyer, MP, sex offender, police, self employed, CEO of a international organisation, on dole, and list goes on. There is NOTHING in being a biker that gives a leaning towards one political ideology or another.

So sadly, after we would have addressed the ACC levies, the razor wires, rider training and got rid of all blind and ignorent cagers, we would start infighting.

[Brian d marge]

Im not very good at this blog thing so I think it has all gone pear shaped

but a while back I put my flag in the sand and wrote a little Ditty ( 27 pages little )

Labour National the one legged Baa Baa rack party ,,,doesn't matter

if you look a the current thinking of other countries NZ is following form.

and due to a certain part of the population, has dug itself into a Hole ,,, (debt)

This was ok when the big global money supply was hemorrhaging money like it went out of fashion
but last year it got turn off,all leaks stopped

Nz did well due to some sort of arrangement between Australian and NZ banks ,,,but the credit tap was turned off ,

The good times ended with the Korean war ,

We now are disparately trying to open free trade agreement with ,,,anyone in order to export as much as we can ( hang on wasn't it always export or die??) in the mean time the export market has decided that FOOD is now worth more overseas than at home ( suppose the re are still the non export quality stuff from Happy Shopper ) ???? ouch says the family budget !

Me

it wouldn't matter who you voted for , Labour has slightly more soul for the working stiff than the National (front) ,,,but at the end of the day ,,the money must be repaid

Save, invest in NZ made , keep the money in NZ as much as possible, NZ hasnt the money to be a global player ,,, it should do what it does best , and try to transform itself into the digital age , from Wool to weta ,....( yes read it ,,interesting book )

make health care and education a priority

( they are naming a new immigration visa today ,,,sliver fern for young highly skilled immigrants

Why? cant young NZ fill those roles?? No . Why ??? because they have left to go overseas to pay off the Student loan ,,,CLASSIC FAIL

Yup talking about classic fail.... the order went weird on me ..

http://mustnt-grumble.blogspot.com/2009/07/well-that-didnt-work-to-well.html

Start from here and sort of read backwards.....:niceone: sorry

maybe this is when NZ comes of age and finally starts saying enough is enough ..........????????

Stephen

[Clockwork]

Yep, was working when it was compulsory unionism run by the Poms.
hated it and what they stood for.
Most unions today run by kiwi's with some havin leaders who wont be railroaded into actions that have no positive outcome for either ermployee or employer.
Didnt agree with the nanny state either.
I believe in one rule for all

Agree with most everything you've posted on this thread Wingrider but at the risk of posting slightly off-topic, I'd just like to point out to you and AlanB that if all of NZ's unions were being run by millitant Poms, it would be because apathetic Kiwis voted them into their union office and/or failed to stand for those positions themselves.

[wingrider]

Im not very good at this blog thing so I think it has all gone pear shaped

but a while back I put my flag in the sand and wrote a little Ditty ( 27 pages little )

Labour National the one legged Baa Baa rack party ,,,doesn't matter

if you look a the current thinking of other countries NZ is following form.

and due to a certain part of the population, has dug itself into a Hole ,,, (debt)

This was ok when the big global money supply was hemorrhaging money like it went out of fashion
but last year it got turn off,all leaks stopped

Nz did well due to some sort of arrangement between Australian and NZ banks ,,,but the credit tap was turned off ,

The good times ended with the Korean war ,

We now are disparately trying to open free trade agreement with ,,,anyone in order to export as much as we can ( hang on wasn't it always export or die??) in the mean time the export market has decided that FOOD is now worth more overseas than at home ( suppose the re are still the non export quality stuff from Happy Shopper ) ???? ouch says the family budget !

Me

it wouldn't matter who you voted for , Labour has slightly more soul for the working stiff than the National (front) ,,,but at the end of the day ,,the money must be repaid

Save, invest in NZ made , keep the money in NZ as much as possible, NZ hasnt the money to be a global player ,,, it should do what it does best , and try to transform itself into the digital age , from Wool to weta ,....( yes read it ,,interesting book )

make health care and education a priority

( they are naming a new immigration visa today ,,,sliver fern for young highly skilled immigrants

Why? cant young NZ fill those roles?? No . Why ??? because they have left to go overseas to pay off the Student loan ,,,CLASSIC FAIL

Yup talking about classic fail.... the order went weird on me ..

http://mustnt-grumble.blogspot.com/2009/07/well-that-didnt-work-to-well.html

Start from here and sort of read backwards.....:niceone: sorry

maybe this is when NZ comes of age and finally starts saying enough is enough ..........????????

Stephen

Agree 100%..

Used to be called Godsowne.
Now its open to the highest bidder, behind closed door, and leave a tip please.

[wingrider]

Agree with most everything you've posted on this thread Wingrider but at the risk of posting slightly off-topic, I'd just like to point out to you and AlanB that if all of NZ's unions were being run by millitant Poms, it would be because apathetic Kiwis voted them into their union office and/or failed to stand for those positions themselves.

You are so right.
But finally we saw the light and stood up the the bover-boys. In fairness, many came to see that we were more passive in our approach and mellowed.
They became KIWIS and accepted our way of life to their benefit.
But to their credit, they gave us a backbone as well.

[MSTRS]

So sadly, after we would have addressed the ACC levies, the razor wires, rider training and got rid of all blind and ignorent cagers, we would start infighting.

After? That's very optimistic.
Still, even getting those things sorted before our demise would be a legacy we could all be proud of.

[Taz]

ya want puha with that??

Careful there mate. Puha is now solely reserved for the Maori elite and therefore off the menu for you and I. Air will be next. Mark my words.....

[MSTRS]

Careful there mate. Puha is now solely reserved for the Maori elite and therefore off the menu for you and I. Air will be next. Mark my words.....

Umm...you hadn't heard?...

[wingrider]

The only way we could become united is by focusing on biker issues (and even then there are those here who do not agree with the majority). Riding a bike only requires that you have a liking for bikes. Then the rest is unimportant. You can be a neo nazi, daily dope smoker, gang member, union delegate, lawyer, MP, sex offender, police, self employed, CEO of a international organisation, on dole, and list goes on. There is NOTHING in being a biker that gives a leaning towards one political ideology or another.

So sadly, after we would have addressed the ACC levies, the razor wires, rider training and got rid of all blind and ignorent cagers, we would start infighting.

Please dont take this the wrong way.

I do not believe there is any one on this forum including yourself that is so narrow minded and who believes that riding should be the one and only reason we should get united.
Yes biker reasons are just as important to us as is primary healthcare for the elderly, or quality education for our kids.

Yes to enjoy the freedom of a motorcycle we could be any of the above.

And yet because of one aspect in our lives we did unite.

If they had picked on all the rugby players and supporters and singled them out as an easy target, would they have stayed silent? Beacause alchohol is linked to so much violence and crime, if they brought in prohibition, are all the beer drinkers ( and brewrey owners ) going to stay silent?

Ok I may be wrong, BUT, this issue has become much greater than just increases for bikes. There are sooooo many of us who are also commenting on other issues that are going to have repercussions for the rest of our lives and affect the lives of our kids and grandkids as well.

We happened to be a larger part of society than a lot of ignorant people realised. We stood shoulder to shoulder and got noticed.

Lets get others on the bandwagon and COLLECTIVELY show all politicians that we are not going to continually lay down and be run over for 30 pieces of silver either from outside or inside influences.

I have seen more intelligence on this forum in the past two weeks than I have seen from any gubbermint in the past 40 years.
They are all elected people, they did not take over by force. They were elected to represent ALL persons. They were not elected to line their personal pockets at everyone else's expense.

Time they were all told so irrespective of their political ideology.

[Conquiztador]

Please dont take this the wrong way.

I do not believe there is any one on this forum including yourself that is so narrow minded and who believes that riding should be the one and only reason we should get united.
Yes biker reasons are just as important to us as is primary healthcare for the elderly, or quality education for our kids.

Yes to enjoy the freedom of a motorcycle we could be any of the above.

And yet because of one aspect in our lives we did unite.

If they had picked on all the rugby players and supporters and singled them out as an easy target, would they have stayed silent? Beacause alchohol is linked to so much violence and crime, if they brought in prohibition, are all the beer drinkers ( and brewrey owners ) going to stay silent?

Ok I may be wrong, BUT, this issue has become much greater than just increases for bikes. There are sooooo many of us who are also commenting on other issues that are going to have repercussions for the rest of our lives and affect the lives of our kids and grandkids as well.

We happened to be a larger part of society than a lot of ignorant people realised. We stood shoulder to shoulder and got noticed.

Lets get others on the bandwagon and COLLECTIVELY show all politicians that we are not going to continually lay down and be run over for 30 pieces of silver either from outside or inside influences.

I have seen more intelligence on this forum in the past two weeks than I have seen from any gubbermint in the past 40 years.
They are all elected people, they did not take over by force. They were elected to represent ALL persons. They were not elected to line their personal pockets at everyone else's expense.

Time they were all told so irrespective of their political ideology.

You have lawyers, accountants, CEO's, reporters, politicians, lecturers etc. on here. There is a big pool of intelligence here. BUT do not for one moment think that we all, as a result of intelligence, agree on most things.

Take the ACC increase. The ONLY thing we all agree on is that it is an absurd amount that is proposed. Apart from that...

See, some on here want it all privatised, some want it all back the way it was intended, some are all for user pay, some want it free, some think it is all up to our self, and so on. Hearding cats someone said. And sadly that is the way I see it.

So the only thing that can be done is to take the issue back to where all agree. And re ACC all agree that the increases are too high, but that is about it.

You also seem to miss that many on here are part of those other groups you mention. Bikers are not ONLY bikers. Many are rugby players, many are beer drinkers.

Yes we are commenting on many issues. But we all have our own opinion ranging from ultra right to blood-red left.

[wingrider]

You have lawyers, accountants, CEO's, reporters, politicians, lecturers etc. on here. There is a big pool of intelligence here. BUT do not for one moment think that we all, as a result of intelligence, agree on most things.

Take the ACC increase. The ONLY thing we all agree on is that it an absurd amount that is proposed. Apart from that...

See, some on here want it all privatised, some want it all back the way it was intended, some are all for user pay, some want it free, some think it is all up to our self, and so on. Hearding cats someone said. And sadly that is the way I see it.

So the only thing that can be done is to take the issue back to where all agree. And re ACC all agree that the increases are too high, but that is about it.

You also seem to miss that many on here are part of those other groups you mention. Bikers are not ONLY bikers. Many are rugby players, many are beer drinkers.

Yes we are commenting on many issues. But we all have our own opinion ranging from ultra right to blood-red left.

Mate I couldn't agree with you more.

Perhaps I didn't use the right "other groups".

Had one of those I mentioned been the target group I am sure most of us would have still attended representing that group. And if the same facts that we discovered were found to be affecting other groups then perhaps the same cry of "who's next" would be repeated.

Again the main protest would be on the direct issue affecting that group but we would still be pointing out to the others that they are about to get shafted as well.

I should also have been very clear that if this was the Labour Party trying this on, I would have still been there screamin bullshit as well.

Whatever a persons Political beliefs, I still feel that when an individual gets lied to and targeted personally for whatever activity or lifestyle they indulge in, it's to be expected that they are going to react.

Again AND I STRESS THIS A PERSONAL VIEWPOINT, last Tuesday we stirred up a sleeping giant. The events that have come to life in the past two weeks have got a lot of people talking to the point that they are not going to allow us to roll over and be sold to the highest bidder. Bikers came out fighting. what we need to do is pass that stregnth on to others and have them get off their asses and start swinging with us.

yep we may not agree with many of each others viewpoints, but the shit we have endured for the past ten or more years from politicians from all parties has now got to the point where we are all in agreeance that enough is enough. (no pun intended)

[candor]

lies and deception have opened a sore that was believed to have been healed.
...We, normal everyday persons with perhaps just one common factor, (a love and passion for motorcycling), achieved in the space of two weeks, something that no one else has achieved, the biggest protest seen at Parliament.
And we have raised the public awareness of what is going on..
LETS BUILD ON THAT IMPACT.

What could we achieve if not only do we protest in respect of the ACC changes but we expand and highlight the other concerns and actively use our protests to enhance public awareness.

This is not about just changes that National are embarking on. It is about getting a groundswell started to ensure that ALL political parties are told that no longer will we accept lies and deception as a memorandum of right from anyone....

We are a democracy not a dictatorship.

.

Agree and this whole episode has epitomised this countries main ailment - clark set up a system that creates visages or mirages made of propaganda

BRONZ has done a great job of showing up ACCs politically motivated lies and lobbying.

a sign this has hit the mark was a senior policeperson telling me just the other day that they are no longer allowed to campaign on a political issue dear to their and Govts heart (lower alcohol limit). I don't think its coincidental.

If one more good thing would come out of this it would be an ethics code or code of conduct forbidding Govt Depts from wasting large sums on spreading deceptive misleading noxious self serving drivel. It is not public service or the sign of a well society. It is the lie culture of that red bird that crapped in its own nest then flew the coop, that left first Labour then this country lost.

You saw more intell here in 2 weeks than from gummints in 40 years :yes:- not surprising - one can kind of understand what motivates the speights and Bainamaramas, especially after a few hrs down the hive.