Vehicles to avoid...

[Fub@r]

If your in Auckland look out for this wanker with the number plate SKIPRO. Late model Ford Explorer.

Guy took offence to me filtering past him in stationary traffic on Symonds St this arvo. As the traffic started to move he decided to undertake me and push me in to oncoming traffic :shit:

This sort of reaction from cagers is happening to me more frequently anyone else had this sort of problem lately?

[caseye]

On the southern every morning and I've got to say that of late I'm experiencing quie the opposite, car, truck and even other bikes are allowing enough room to pass safely.
Odd exceptions of course and yes I've literally had em try to run me into oncoming or paralell travelling cars but hey I ride, they don't have a snowballs chance in hell of manouvering me into other vehicles.
So no , no bad ones of late quite the opposite in fact.
I've had the pleasant experience of late of having traffic making room.
It might be that I don't split unless traffic is stopped and or moving very slowly and i ride at no more than about 30 K ph past em, they seem to understand thats not a threat and give me room.

[Bren]

I was filtering today going home along the motorway north of Mana (Welly), and was coming up to a housebus who took exception and started moving his nose across to block my path...farkin tosser...just jealous...

[Laxi]

only ever had problems with a couple of trucks doing that

[Gareth51]

SKIPRO + Sharp instrument = 4 flats..opps :bash::angry:

[IdunBrokdItAgin]

I would always say watch your speed when filtering - I notice that cars only get wound up when surprised by filterers going too fast.

That said I did have some dick move to close a gap once (some boy racer ute - you know the type, silver crap wheels on a crap vehicle with his phone number in the back window - I assume for gay sex - I politely stopped by his window and told him he likes to fornicate with himself regularly). This is the only ever time I have experienced this though.

More often than not I now notice drivers creating a gap for me as I am moving at an acceptable speed (where they can see me and react). I always like to simply raise my fingers off the clutch to say thanks as I go past (I just think of them as bikers in cars - as this is what I now do in my car when I see bikes filtering).

Most car drivers like to help bikers in my opinion, some just plain don't think but it is very rare to find a fuckwit who purposefully obstructs bikes.

[Fub@r]

This year its happened to me 3 times. Vehicles are staionary and decide to have a go once traffic moves off. Its definelty not speed related anyone here that knows me knows I'm no hoon and quite the opposite. Seems everytime the drivers are male :)

[chef]

avoid the coconuts who drive wellingtons buses everyday

[Sam I Am]

Google is fantastic....

"Third generation kiwi of British
heritage, Graham Taylor is
the Russell restaurateur/chef
whose car number plates read
SKI PRO. "

page 4 > http://ernz.org/john/RL12-17%20A4-16.pdf

[MarkyMark]

When Graham took his big OE in Europe and Canada in the sixties, much of it on a motorbike...


Odd












10cha10cha

[Elysium]

Trucks pulling out onto a road. Had to apply the rarely used emergancy braking technique after a live stock truck decided I wasn't worth waiting for and pulled out.

[Swoop]

This year its happened to me 3 times. I'm no hoon and quite the opposite.

Silly question. Do you wear any hi-viz stuff?

[CookMySock]

Silly question. Do you wear any hi-viz stuff?It's nothing to do with not being seen - its to do with asshole cagers thinking they can act dangerously without consequences. In these cases, the more you are seen the more likely you get targetted. Perhaps you allude to hi-viz gear making bikers look like pansies, so cagers think they can push them over and make them cry..

A couple of times I have people take action against me, only to have the fuzz a few car lengths behind and witness the whole thing, and swiftly on with their disco lights for a wee chat with the perpetrator, no doubt to educate them on the rights of bikers splitting at traffic lights.

I've never felt the need to DO anything about it.. Just split off the next car and they are real gone.

Steve

[crazyhorse]

What he said :done:

[george formby]

Google is fantastic....

"Third generation kiwi of British
heritage, Graham Taylor is
the Russell restaurateur/chef
whose car number plates read
SKI PRO. "

page 4 > http://ernz.org/john/RL12-17%20A4-16.pdf

I'm going over to Russell tomorrow. Any special requests?

[p.dath]

I was filtering today going home along the motorway north of Mana (Welly), and was coming up to a housebus who took exception and started moving his nose across to block my path...farkin tosser...just jealous...

Any chance there was simply some obstacle on his left that he could see and you couldn't?

Most cage drivers don't actually want to push you off the road. But they need to respond to traffic and road conditions like we do.

[Blackbird]

On the southern every morning and I've got to say that of late I'm experiencing quie the opposite, car, truck and even other bikes are allowing enough room to pass safely.


When I delivered the Blackbird to its new owner, it was peak traffic on the southern motorway and I had to filter or get nowhere. I was agreeably surprised that virtually everyone was great and gave space, even the upmarket cars - no complaints at all.

[FROSTY]

Guy took offence to me filtering past him in stationary traffic on Symonds St this arvo. As the traffic started to move he decided to undertake me and push me in to oncoming traffic :shit:
This sort of reaction from cagers is happening to me more frequently anyone else had this sort of problem lately?
Mon please don't take offence here but given there is a common denominator in the situation should you look at whats happening there first ?
I remember a couple of years back I used to commute the nor western car park every day. I'd very often catch up to and pass other KBers. The cagers seemed to be irritable idiots -always cutting me off etc etc.
Then one total lunatic rider said to me that I was apsolutely flying "the other day" He couldn't keep up.
Made me think about the speed I was doing and the agression I was using in my riding.
Go figure the stress levels dropped heaps when i slowwed down a bit.

[mattian]

I would always say watch your speed when filtering - I notice that cars only get wound up when surprised by filterers going too fast.

That said I did have some dick move to close a gap once (some boy racer ute - you know the type, silver crap wheels on a crap vehicle with his phone number in the back window - I assume for gay sex - I politely stopped by his window and told him he likes to fornicate with himself regularly). This is the only ever time I have experienced this though.

More often than not I now notice drivers creating a gap for me as I am moving at an acceptable speed (where they can see me and react). I always like to simply raise my fingers off the clutch to say thanks as I go past (I just think of them as bikers in cars - as this is what I now do in my car when I see bikes filtering).

Most car drivers like to help bikers in my opinion, some just plain don't think but it is very rare to find a fuckwit who purposefully obstructs bikes.

I totally agree. A wave of thanks to people who deliberatly adjust their position to make room for you goes a looooong way. they're left thinking "wow, he was a friendly biker chap" "maybe they aren't all reckless assholes trying to kill us"

[george formby]

A bit of courtesy goe's a long way. I always try & let vehicles out at junctions when I'm in slow moving traffic, filter slowly & acknowledge courtesy's that come my way. I'm may be a sad case but I believe in traffic karma & find most drivers create space to let me pass. Drivers who spear off onto the side of the road always confuse me though.

[Pixie]

Mon please don't take offence here but given there is a common denominator in the situation should you look at whats happening there first ?
I remember a couple of years back I used to commute the nor western car park every day. I'd very often catch up to and pass other KBers. The cagers seemed to be irritable idiots -always cutting me off etc etc.
Then one total lunatic rider said to me that I was apsolutely flying "the other day" He couldn't keep up.
Made me think about the speed I was doing and the agression I was using in my riding.
Go figure the stress levels dropped heaps

You have to wonder about the mentality of drivers that think increasing the danger by making dangerous manoeuvers actually helps the situation.
When it's all said and done,it comes down to puritanism and small cock syndrome.Thankfully it seems to be on the wane.

[clmintie]

I'm often stuck in near stationary traffic on the south Western about 4pm, in my work van. There are a few 'regular' filterers, I see them coming and make as much room as is safe and appreciate the little wave of the clutch hand. However there was a new one last night, I saw him/her coming in my right mirror, checked the left mirror before moving a metre to the left only to nearly squash the stupid bugger into the railing. Filtering is fine, treating cars like a road cone slalom is NOT.... Ah, I feel better now.......

I need a bike that can carry my tools and three passengers with a towbar for my MX 3 bike trailer...... Till then, I'm stuck in the van at 4pm on the South Weston, watching the lucky riders flit past.............

[hang0ver]

Fucking skiers. There's your answer!

[vifferman]

Fucking skiers. There's your answer!
Depends what they look like. My wife skis, and I'd fuck her, but not some other people I know that ski. Like my sons f'rinstance, or my wife's cousin...

I left work a little late yesterday and the traffic was backed up on the northern from north of Albania right through to WellyTown as far as I could tell. It was lanesplit or overheat (bike got hot anyway).
It was an interesting ride - had people move over for me, none try to be eejits and block me. I can't actually ever recall that happening, but I don't lanesplit very often. Two other bikers were splitting ahead of me (CBR1000RR?? and another bike) and interestingly when I swapped to split between lanes 1 and 2 instead of 2 and 3 where they were, I made a lot more progress. I think it was fewer people changing lanes. Then some guy came past doing at least 65-70 km/h faster than the traffic. That was not smart; as has been mentioned, it gives car driver a fright, particularly if they've checked their mirror then go to change lanes and don't realise there's a bike bearing down on them at high(ish) speed...

[FROSTY]

You have to wonder about the mentality of drivers that think increasing the danger by making dangerous manoeuvers actually helps the situation.
When it's all said and done,it comes down to puritanism and small cock syndrome.Thankfully it seems to be on the wane.
Sorry dude I wasn't making myself clear The problem wasn't the drivers it was ME riding too fast for the situation.
I slowed down --still faster thatn the traffic and the hassles stopped.
unless you do a rush hour commute or two in a car you just have no idea just how fast bikes seem to apear.
especially if you are in a "normal" car and have a van/truck/ponsonby tractor (4wd) behind you.

[Tank]

It's nothing to do with not being seen - its to do with asshole cagers thinking they can act dangerously without consequences. ......

I've never felt the need to DO anything about it.. Just split off the next car and they are real gone.

Steve


What he said :done:

Yeah - but 'Ol DangerousBastard lied.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=82181

[Fub@r]

Mon please don't take offence here but given there is a common denominator in the situation should you look at whats happening there first ?
I remember a couple of years back I used to commute the nor western car park every day. I'd very often catch up to and pass other KBers. The cagers seemed to be irritable idiots -always cutting me off etc etc.
Then one total lunatic rider said to me that I was apsolutely flying "the other day" He couldn't keep up.
Made me think about the speed I was doing and the agression I was using in my riding.
Go figure the stress levels dropped heaps when i slowwed down a bit.

First Situation:

Stanley Street lights fliter through the traffic to the front. Stop and wait for light to go green. Light goes green I start to move forward car behind me now accelerates through on my left hand side nearly clipping kerb and pushing me towards the other lane.

Speed, filtering etc not a factor here

Situation 2:

Grafton Bridge lights. Lights are red I filter through traffic to front of queue and line up in left hand lane in the painted green area at front of queue for push bikes. Then same as situation 1 car accelerates up my left hand side. Lanes go to merge due to parked vehicles so either I brake or he takes me out.

Speed filtering etc not a factor here

Situation 3

Nelson Offramp. Traffic at standstill, I filter along right hand shoulder beside barrier. Gap becomes too narrow so pull in front of a stationary car and wait for lights to change and traffic to move. Whilst sitting there car behind me is slowly nudging up beside me. As we move off he accelerates up my left hand side and starts to give me the squeeze against the barrier. Ends up I get hit in the leg as had no where to go. As lanes open up I kick his car door in retaliation he then tries for another go at me.

Speed filtering etc not a factor here

All examples its not speed, way I'm riding etc its just dickhead cagers who feel that I am going to some how delay their travel by moving in front of them. Its purely small man syndrome

[Edbear]

If your in Auckland look out for this wanker with the number plate SKIPRO. Late model Ford Explorer.

Guy took offence to me filtering past him in stationary traffic on Symonds St this arvo. As the traffic started to move he decided to undertake me and push me in to oncoming traffic :shit:

This sort of reaction from cagers is happening to me more frequently anyone else had this sort of problem lately?

That's a reportable traffic offence and I think you'd have a sympathetic ear from the cops on that one.


I totally agree. A wave of thanks to people who deliberatly adjust their position to make room for you goes a looooong way. they're left thinking "wow, he was a friendly biker chap" "maybe they aren't all reckless assholes trying to kill us"

Yup! I always wave a "thank you" to every vehicle that moves aside for me, good PR never hurts. And it does sem to be better nowadays, although some can be sods.

[sefer]

I'm on the South-Western everyday ATM, and find that a lot of cars are moving over. However those that do pull-out/cut me off when either splitting or not are taxis 8 out of 10 times.

[hang0ver]

First Situation:

Stanley Street lights fliter through the traffic to the front. Stop and wait for light to go green. Light goes green I start to move forward car behind me now accelerates through on my left hand side nearly clipping kerb and pushing me towards the other lane.

Speed, filtering etc not a factor here


The way I see it, if your gonna filter to the front of lights, be prepared to use some power off the lights (eyes out for late runners though). If you don't have the power, maybe consider tucking into the cue of traffic instead.

My brother is always raving about scooter riders who filter to the front of lights & slug off the mark... And he's in a Diesel!

Regardless, that driver sounds like an asshole...

H

[Devil]

The way I see it, if your gonna filter to the front of lights, be prepared to use some power off the lights (eyes out for late runners though). If you don't have the power, maybe consider tucking into the cue of traffic instead.

Yes, this is the exact problem. If you're going to filter to the front, then fuck off as soon as the light goes green (keep your eyes peeled for red light runners). Dont stuff around, if you want to put yourself at the front of the queue then take off and get out of there.

[Pedrostt500]

I was told last night by a work mate about a bumper sticker he saw in Aussie,
Look Left, Look Right, Look Bike!.

[GOONR]

Yes, this is the exact problem. If you're going to filter to the front, then fuck off as soon as the light goes green (keep your eyes peeled for red light runners). Dont stuff around, if you want to put yourself at the front of the queue then take off and get out of there.

I agree, my bike used to run really rich when it was hot so would get sluggish on take off, when it was running like that I would filter but stop at the rear quarter of the first car in the lane.

[avgas]

FYI I am the nice chap that blocks traffic to let filterers through when I see them coming.

So if you see a blue focus wagon on the southern - with Hi-Viz sitting on the drivers seat, and it pulls over to let you through. Feel free to chuck me a wave.

[BMWST?]

First Situation:

Stanley Street lights fliter through the traffic to the front. Stop and wait for light to go green. Light goes green I start to move forward car behind me now accelerates through on my left hand side nearly clipping kerb and pushing me towards the other lane.

Speed, filtering etc not a factor here

Situation 2:

Grafton Bridge lights. Lights are red I filter through traffic to front of queue and line up in left hand lane in the painted green area at front of queue for push bikes. Then same as situation 1 car accelerates up my left hand side. Lanes go to merge due to parked vehicles so either I brake or he takes me out.

Speed filtering etc not a factor here

Situation 3

Nelson Offramp. Traffic at standstill, I filter along right hand shoulder beside barrier. Gap becomes too narrow so pull in front of a stationary car and wait for lights to change and traffic to move. Whilst sitting there car behind me is slowly nudging up beside me. As we move off he accelerates up my left hand side and starts to give me the squeeze against the barrier. Ends up I get hit in the leg as had no where to go. As lanes open up I kick his car door in retaliation he then tries for another go at me.

Speed filtering etc not a factor here

All examples its not speed, way I'm riding etc its just dickhead cagers who feel that I am going to some how delay their travel by moving in front of them. Its purely small man syndrome

its easy to see whats happening here...Who said bikes have AUTOMATIC rights to first place of the grid.These guys are in a hurry,you just werent expecting them to accelerate as fast as you.Either get it on or let them through.

[Edbear]

Yes, this is the exact problem. If you're going to filter to the front, then fuck off as soon as the light goes green (keep your eyes peeled for red light runners). Dont stuff around, if you want to put yourself at the front of the queue then take off and get out of there.


its easy to see whats happening here...Who said bikes have AUTOMATIC rights to first place of the grid.These guys are in a hurry,you just werent expecting them to accelerate as fast as you.Either get it on or let them through.

What I find funny about the Boulevard, is that when I gas it away, the drivers beside me get startled by the sudden loud Blatt of the v-twin and pause that split second. By the time they've worked it out I'm long gone...

I don't think they expect my reactions off the lights either, and also with the instant torque of my bike I don't have to pick up the revs, just let the clutch out and twist the throttle!

[Swoop]

It's nothing to do with not being seen - its to do with asshole cagers thinking they can act dangerously without consequences. In these cases, the more you are seen the more likely you get targetted. Perhaps you allude to hi-viz gear making bikers look like pansies, so cagers think they can push them over and make them cry..
This is what I was wondering. Was fub@r wearing the "I'm easy meat" hi-Viz ensemble?

[CookMySock]

This is what I was wondering. Was fub@r wearing the "I'm easy meat" hi-Viz ensemble?Yeah well thats the reason I won't wear a "gimme a kiss" pansy jacket. I don't own a "I'll deal to you with my chain" leather jacket, but just dririder black and grey is a good middle road.

I think the power balance (perceived or otherwise) is a healthy thing between bikers and cagers.

Steve

[ManDownUnder]

I'm going over to Russell tomorrow. Any special requests?

Yup - do it the KB way!
1) Slash the tyres, burn the car, coin it - pour brake fluid over anything else you can find and sneal a dead mouse and a handful of cockroaches into the restaurant after inviting any friends you have that work for the health dept.
2) Walk up the guy, smack him in the mouth with your carbon fibre reinforced bike glove
3) Yes - confirm the car hasn't been sold since the article.
4) Confirm the driver is indeed the named person
5) Seek an innocent explanation for what happened
6) Get picked up by the cops for all the above suggested stupidity
7) Go to court and pay gazillions in reparation

... or work through those steps backwards - starting from 5 working back to 3, and if still unhappy, put in a traffic report to the cops.

[SPP]

I could be wrong but I think I also meet "SKI PRO". They tried to block me creeping up to the lights as well. Their wagon ended up half across into the next lane. Shake it off, nothing pisses an angry person off more that a smile and a wave.

I reckon the drivers have gotten better if anything. I put it down to more bikers on the road.

If this was on your Hyobag then you gotta remind yourself that they don't really fly off the line. Try to leave in a hurry. Good manners when creeping is to take it extra slow when siding up next the the first car. There's less chance of being mistaken for an arrogant prick.

[Ronin]

its easy to see whats happening here...Who said bikes have AUTOMATIC rights to first place of the grid.These guys are in a hurry,you just werent expecting them to accelerate as fast as you.Either get it on or let them through.

They can be in any amount of hurry in the world. It still doesn't give them the right to push someone into traffic. I bet they wouldn't push as hard if it was a logging track.

That said, getting out of the way has to be the best idea. Same as passing, minimum time exposed to danger.

[Ixion]

I've seen that SKIPRO plate, can't remember why I remember it though. Prolly cos he's a wanker.

If you stop at traffic lights it's often a good idea to stop either dead centre lane (move across just as you stop), or even better on an angle, so wankers can't try to force up beside you (having said which, i don't mind if they do, so long as they're sensible, I even sometimes beckon them up alongside. )

And if you're at the front especially if you're still partly between the traffic, be ready to go FAST when the lights change. If you're young you should have a half second reflex advantage over most cagers, even if old you should still be faster, and with the power weight advantage they should never be able to catch you to force you over. And weave about a bit in the lane as you power clear.

[p.dath]

Stanley Street lights fliter through the traffic to the front. Stop and wait for light to go green. Light goes green I start to move forward car behind me now accelerates through on my left hand side nearly clipping kerb and pushing me towards the other lane.

Speed, filtering etc not a factor here

Speed was an issue. You pushed to the front of the queue, and then didn't move off the line very fast holding up the person behind you.


Grafton Bridge lights. Lights are red I filter through traffic to front of queue and line up in left hand lane in the painted green area at front of queue for push bikes. Then same as situation 1 car accelerates up my left hand side. Lanes go to merge due to parked vehicles so either I brake or he takes me out.

Same issue, sounds like your not applying enough gas to get off the line.


Nelson Offramp. Traffic at standstill, I filter along right hand shoulder beside barrier. Gap becomes too narrow so pull in front of a stationary car and wait for lights to change and traffic to move. Whilst sitting there car behind me is slowly nudging up beside me. As we move off he accelerates up my left hand side and starts to give me the squeeze against the barrier. Ends up I get hit in the leg as had no where to go. As lanes open up I kick his car door in retaliation he then tries for another go at me.

It sounds like you had your bike in the wrong place at the wrong time. If the car was able to accelerate up your left hand side they you can't have been owning the lane.


Any chance you are pushing the limits a bit hard, perhaps not being very considerate of other road users, and then getting yourself into trouble - and then blaming everyone else for your own problem that you created?

[Mully]

I filter in and out of town everyday and don't usually have an issue.

No-one tends to cut me off and I try to give a wave to anyone who noticably goes out of their way to clear a path.

The only issue I have regularly is buses. I don't know why, but those bastards seem to think it's their job to stop bikes from filtering. It doesn't stop me, of course, I just make sure I am prepared for a bus to weave toward me or close the gap.

And I agree with the previous posters - if you're going to filter to the front, get out of their way sharply. Even a 250 Hyosung should be able to murder most cars off the line, surely?

[SPP]

...Even a 250 Hyosung should be able to murder most cars off the line, surely?

For sure, you've just got to try a little harder.

[NighthawkNZ]

Vehicles to avoid...

I try to avoid all vehicles on or off the road :mellow:

[CookMySock]

Even a 250 Hyosung should be able to murder most cars off the line, surely?I got a 250 hyo and a 1996 Hilux surf turbo, and the hyo is plenty quicker off the line than the surf, and thats saying a lot as the surfs don't fuck around off the mark when you nail them.

Steve

[hang0ver]

I got a 250 hyo and a 1996 Hilux surf turbo, and the hyo is plenty quicker off the line than the surf, and thats saying a lot as the surfs don't fuck around off the mark when you nail them.

Steve

Haha... Damn man you definitley need to experience the beat up diesel I was in last night then! I used to own a Petrol SR5 too... They make trolley buses seem devastatingly fast!

[vifferman]

Yes, this is the exact problem. If you're going to filter to the front, then fuck off as soon as the light goes green ....
Oh - that reminds me: while I've not had people try to block me while lanesplitting (the opposite, in fact), the other week I had some knobend in a ute tootle me (feebly) because while on the way to Devil's house I filtered to the front at the lights and nipped into the gap in front of Mr. Ute Knobend just before we went around the corner. I mean, WTF?!? I didn't slow him down, contact him, cause him to brake (I was going a few km/h faster than him anyway), so WTF was his problem? I was tempted to tootle him back more vigorously with my ThreeHornsOfVengeance, but decided to just ignore him.
Fuckwit. :Pokey:
Don't people get it?

If you filter past them, or lanesplit, you're NOT disadvantaging or inconveniencing them in any way! If, however, you sit in the queue, then you're momentarily slowing down everyone behind you. So.... lanesplitting and filtering are public services to other motorists. :hitcher:


:rofl:

[Fub@r]

I'm not slow off the line and I'm not a rocket either.

One thing my dad always said to me many years ago was never treat a traffic light like a drag strip light. This was illustrated to me one day going to school sitting at the old Collision Crossroads in Bombay. Lights went green I waited a second and then started across only to have a fully laden logging truck blow the red light heading south.

Had a similar situation last month at Beach Road turning on to Stanley Street had a green light got to the central island of Stanley Street only to have out of the conrner of my eye a white toyota blow the red light and just miss me.

In both instances if I had used split second timing to take off on the green I wouldn't be here making this post now.

[caseye]

ESP dats wat it is! More commonly known asn "common" Sense! You've come a long way and it hasn't let you down, trust it and always react to it.

[sAsLEX]

I've seen that SKIPRO plate, can't remember why I remember it though. Prolly cos he's a wanker.

If you stop at traffic lights it's often a good idea to stop either dead centre lane (move across just as you stop), or even better on an angle, so wankers can't try to force up beside you (having said which, i don't mind if they do, so long as they're sensible, I even sometimes beckon them up alongside. )
.

One biker had the right idea.

After splitting to the front some knob end took offence and rolled forward till hit he the rear tire.

Biker calmly turned around had a look, then proceeded to pop the bike on the side stand.

Walked back to the open drivers window, and before the guy could react reached in grabbed the keys out of the ignition and launched them over the nearest house.

Walked back to bike, hopped on, and rode off with the green light .

[hang0ver]

I'm not slow off the line and I'm not a rocket either.

One thing my dad always said to me many years ago was never treat a traffic light like a drag strip light. This was illustrated to me one day going to school sitting at the old Collision Crossroads in Bombay. Lights went green I waited a second and then started across only to have a fully laden logging truck blow the red light heading south.

Had a similar situation last month at Beach Road turning on to Stanley Street had a green light got to the central island of Stanley Street only to have out of the conrner of my eye a white toyota blow the red light and just miss me.

In both instances if I had used split second timing to take off on the green I wouldn't be here making this post now.

As mentioned, always eye out for late runners...

Maybe you should tuck in for the cues eh?

[george formby]

Yup - do it the KB way!

3) Yes - confirm the car hasn't been sold since the article.
4) Confirm the driver is indeed the named person
5) Seek an innocent explanation for what happened
... or work through those steps backwards - starting from 5 working back to 3, and if still unhappy, put in a traffic report to the cops.

Yup, those are the bits that the sensible side of me proposed. Might print this thread & pop it in. Two sides to every story though & visiting Russell can be a bit like waking up & finding your on holiday in 'Deliverance'. No offence to the normal people that live over their who don't own hunting bows & avoid squealing.:shutup:

[Danae]

Even a 250 Hyosung should be able to murder most cars off the line, surely?

My family's 50cc scooter can beat cars off the lights. However always be aware of red light runners!


One biker had the right idea.

After splitting to the front some knob end took offence and rolled forward till hit he the rear tire.

Biker calmly turned around had a look, then proceeded to pop the bike on the side stand.

Walked back to the open drivers window, and before the guy could react reached in grabbed the keys out of the ignition and launched them over the nearest house.

Walked back to bike, hopped on, and rode off with the green light .

Oh that's brilliant! Much more preferable than kicking mirrors or door panels in. I've also heard some bikers opening the rear door, great stuff!

[atothek]

red light runners in wellington are usually driving big fucken buses. i counted 4 of them during a short 20 minute trip.

[Kiwi Graham]

I commute every day on the North Weston and consider filtering a necessity when traffic drops below 40k's

As others have said if your going to filter to the front a junctions slip infront of the vehicle in front. If you sit in the middle of the two lanes your going to end up as meat in the sandwich. Keep an eye on the traffic and an eye on the lights, you can usually tell the red light runners (they increase their speed as they approach the lights). When you get the green pull of smartly and progressivly, if the cage next to you has gone with you and if its safe to do so give it a bit more or role it off and let him go. You have to use all your senses, use your periferal vision for the cages next to you and for the green light, the biggest risk is from red light jumpers, use your ears for hard revving engines, screeching tyres etc.
Mate, commuting in city traffic you need your wits about you if you want to progress through it. If your getting to many close calls your fuking up and doing something wrong, your attitude, your riding style or your just not concentrating hard enough. Generally speaking I find Auckland commuters considerate and will mostly move over happy to let me through, a quick wave or wag of my foot is small price to pay for a courteous driver.

[jedi]

Only real problems I have when filtering to the front is when one of the front cars just happens to be Mr Haveashit who has taken exception to the fact that someone's invaded "his" space and tries to launch at speed to mark his territory.
The solution as many have suggested is to plant it.
I try to be alert and can often see the opposite lights and when they are going to change whereas Mr Haveashit can't see sitting in his tank.
When I'm ready I can launch it sooner and get away.

[caseye]

Only real problems I have when filtering to the front is when one of the front cars just happens to be Mr Haveashit who has taken exception to the fact that someone's invaded "his" space and tries to launch at speed to mark his territory.
The solution as many have suggested is to plant it.
I try to be alert and can often see the opposite lights and when they are going to change whereas Mr Haveashit can't see sitting in his tank.
When I'm ready I can launch it sooner and get away.

Herein lies the problem! have you listened to anything that has been written/said just before this post of yours?
That is a sure fire way of ending up under a red light runner, you'd do well to read the post just before yours, it is full of wise counsel and truth.:sick:

[jedi]

Herein lies the problem! have you listened to anything that has been written/said just before this post of yours?
That is a sure fire way of ending up under a red light runner, you'd do well to read the post just before yours, it is full of wise counsel and truth.:sick:

Believe or not I can read and consider myself not entirely stupid.
I also check to make 100% sure no-ones running a red before I shoot...I've seen it.

[caseye]

OK I'll accept that you are not stupid and! can read, also that you perhaps do look! for light runners first, but, the majority of posters here have advocated, moving slowly while filtering , getting in front of one vehicle or the other when reaching the front and specifically not moving off too hard or without looking, my concern believe it or not is that with as many high powered machines as your profile says you have you may become innured to the mantra, wait, wait, now and simply twist and go as many do, that one time it'll be your ass in a sling.To simply advocate "planting it" without qualification,such as , Looking for runners, is silly.

[Rhino]

If your in Auckland look out for this wanker with the number plate SKIPRO. Late model Ford Explorer.

Guy took offence to me filtering past him in stationary traffic on Symonds St this arvo. As the traffic started to move he decided to undertake me and push me in to oncoming traffic :shit:

This sort of reaction from cagers is happening to me more frequently anyone else had this sort of problem lately?
I had a very similar problem with this tosser in Symonds St about two months ago when he took offence when I indicated and then changed lanes as we approached some road works. I was well in front of him and IN MY WORK XR6 CAGE.:gob: The guy obviously has a road rage problem and it does not just apply to bikes.:angry:

[Swampdonkey]

I know the guy,good bloke. I bet he was wide eyed and shitting himself in Auckland traffic . I will talk to him tomorrow see what the story is. Now if it was his son driving ,thats a different story he treats rthe road as a race track.
So if ole six fingers from Paihia can calm down a bit ,i will sort it out.

[IdunBrokdItAgin]

Comes back to what I thought initially. The cage driver is interpreting the action of the bike rider as displaying aggression.

In the scenarios listed they all had the rider filtering to the front of the queue.

This is aggressive behavior! You went to the front - not behind, not to the side but to the front.

To put this in context. You are in a car and sitting at traffic lights on the left hand lane waiting for the light to go green. There are two lanes at the lights and both go straight ahead. No traffic behind you and you see another car in your mirror.

Now if that car pulls up behind you you think nothing of it. But if that car pulls into the right lane (next to you at the lights) you think "they obviously want to get in front of me".

Now think about the driver type: boy racers take this as a challenge. arseholes take this as a challenge; most ordinary drivers just think "wanker" and don't take it as a challenge.

By filtering to the front you are throwing down the gauntlet whether you realise it or not. If you are unlucky enough to have an arsehole or boy racer at the front of the lights when you do this, and are slow off the line yourself, then the outcomes you have stated will always happen.

If you do insist on filtering to the front of the light then be prepared to be fast off the line. Also, some people have stated when filtering then you should pull in front of the first vehicle to avoid them cutting you off. This is even more aggressive! This is effectively cutting someone off. If someone did this to you while moving, or cut in front of you in a queue then your back would instantly be up.

It is small wonder that the general public has a dim view of bike riders when the riders themselves do not realise how aggressive their behavior is (whether intentional or not).

[BMWST?]

I'm not slow off the line and I'm not a rocket either.

One thing my dad always said to me many years ago was never treat a traffic light like a drag strip light. This was illustrated to me one day going to school sitting at the old Collision Crossroads in Bombay. Lights went green I waited a second and then started across only to have a fully laden logging truck blow the red light heading south.

Had a similar situation last month at Beach Road turning on to Stanley Street had a green light got to the central island of Stanley Street only to have out of the conrner of my eye a white toyota blow the red light and just miss me.

In both instances if I had used split second timing to take off on the green I wouldn't be here making this post now.

well if you filter to the front and dont want to be competingg for space when lanes merge you gotta think of another way to do it.The cagers dont see you as having a right to be in the lane after you have"pushed in" at the front.You just gotta get out of there.

[Rad37]

That is fookin brill , thats it i have just replaced my road rage with road revenge Kiwi Style lol:woohoo:

[peasea]

That is fookin brill , thats it i have just replaced my road rage with road revenge Kiwi Style lol:woohoo:

Road Revenge; love it.

"You cut me off, you moron"

Headline:

Woman found hung drawn and quartered after court finds in favour of disgruntled biker."

Erm, yup, sounds fair to me.

[newbould]

minor similar happened to me twice recently. I don't usually split - no need down here - but at Anzac av just before 8 the line gets a bit long. Day 1 i split to the front, lights turn, I ease out checking for red runners then off - ute I was sitting next too follows hard on my tail until I split at the next junction. 2 - 3 days later same ute same place this time he really guns it and tries to pull alongside. scorp will have none of that (good on yah scorp) but I did feel pressured ot push into the junction harder than I wanted. So now the plan is to just watch out for this guy - Scaffolding firm truk for anyone using the same route about then - must live down Port way somewhere - and split him very carefully waiting for the old lane closing maneuver.

[Richard Mc F]

I commute daily, most cars move aside, some want to race ( like they have a chance), some people have anger issues and try silly things, we tend to either ignore (or if possible goad) I don't need to be angry to be silly though, was squeezing fat jelly through city traffic when I had to put a foot down ( gap too narrow) the lady next to me moved and ran over my foot, she was horrified! (all my fault I must add) smiled and waved at her, now there was room to proceed.

[EgliHonda]

Funnily enough, it always seem to be the personalised plate drivers who act like cocks, which is bloody stupid given they have an easy plate to remember... :Oops:

[PuppetMaster]

If you filter to the front, you have an obligation to not hold up the cars at the front of the queue and leave at a great rate of knots when the light is green, if you filter and saunter off, have a cup of tea and chat to the inside of your helmet for 5 minutes when the light turns green and generally piss about, then you deserve to get the scorn of the cage driver, IMO.

The same applies if you have another bike behind you at the front of the queue, take off reasonably quickly so the bike behind you can also get clear of the cages, I dont want to be stuck between 2 vehicles while you fuck around at the front. This one really pisses me off.

[light]

I have been having a lot of people waving and getting me to rev the bike as of late (it has a very loud exhaust) Lots of thumbs up and smiles. Also lots of people moving over for me. It has been a joy to ride as of late.

[The Pastor]

This year its happened to me 3 times. Vehicles are staionary and decide to have a go once traffic moves off. Its definelty not speed related anyone here that knows me knows I'm no hoon and quite the opposite. Seems everytime the drivers are male :)
now thats a lie, your such a hoon!

[Guided_monkey]

It's a simple concept.

If you filter to the front you have to get away smartly so the cagers can also get moving.

This doesn't mean pulling the front up.... cops take a dim view of this behaviour :spanking:

Just make sure you clear the traffic so they can move as they wish.

[george formby]

Not sure if this has already been mentioned but I always thought it was illegal to overtake at traffic lights, pedestrian crossings etc. If your alongside, not in front of the car at the head of the queue, your overtaking. I am happy to be corrected on this.

[Ducky848]

Yes, this is the exact problem. If you're going to filter to the front, then fuck off as soon as the light goes green (keep your eyes peeled for red light runners). Dont stuff around, if you want to put yourself at the front of the queue then take off and get out of there.

Fuck yeah. I make a point of never giving any car an op to under or over take me after filtering. Likewise I don't give up halfway thru a filter expecting to be let in if the traffic starts moving before I get to the front. You gotta find your own gaps...even if they get a bit tight sometimes.

:niceone:

Buses are the worst for trying to shut you down mid filter.....and quite effective at it.

[p.dath]

Not sure if this has already been mentioned but I always thought it was illegal to overtake at traffic lights, pedestrian crossings etc. If your alongside, not in front of the car at the head of the queue, your overtaking. I am happy to be corrected on this.

This Wiki entry has the most info on the subject.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/wiki/Filtering

The passing on the left rule does not apply when the vehicles being passed are stationary (they are legally parked).

[sAsLEX]

This Wiki entry has the most info on the subject.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/wiki/Filtering

The passing on the left rule does not apply when the vehicles being passed are stationary (they are legally parked).

Try fighting that one in court when doing it on the MW.

[BladeBoy]

yea 4 flat tires. haha