ACC expenses

[wynw]

i can see now where some of our hard earned money is going, i passed a shiny new acc company car this week and was surprised they are driving volkswagons( must be safer than a good old boring corolla or nissan) driver was wearing hi vis tho...am i wrong in thinking that a golf would be more expensive to lease than a corolla. no wonder their executives got a significant superanuation bonus!!!:2guns:

[p.dath]

Hard to tell. First there is fleet discounts, and then there is the cost of the servicing program, then there is the actual cost of running the vehicle, and finally the re-sale value.

I would expect they would be looking at the total cost of ownership, and not just the purchase price.

[mashman]

I would have thought that in this day and age of climate change that the government fleet would have been, well, a little more green! Ya know, lead from by example kind of thing!!!

[MacD]

I suspect you will find that the Volkswagen has a modern common rail diesel engine and if so is very economical to run. The nearest equivalent Asian car would be one of the Hyundai diesels.

If by "green" you mean something like a Prius, then you mean low emission only. All the batteries etc make hybrids anything but "green", they're also heavy and if you've ever been in one you'd notice that the engine runs almost continuously except when stopped at lights.

[Grahameeboy]

They may even lease which comes with servicing etc......guess they should have Holden's to keep everyone happy

[mashman]

I suspect you will find that the Volkswagen has a modern common rail diesel engine and if so is very economical to run. The nearest equivalent Asian car would be one of the Hyundai diesels.

If by "green" you mean something like a Prius, then you mean low emission only. All the batteries etc make hybrids anything but "green", they're also heavy and if you've ever been in one you'd notice that the engine runs almost continuously except when stopped at lights.

Thanks for the education, sorry for the ignorance. I hope they replace the whole fleet if that's the case and get a decent return on the BM's to put back into the coffers too :innocent:...

By green i meant fuel consumption and emissions yup, I see they also emit 95% less sulphur too... gotta be a good thing if sulphur is a baddy!

Could they do me one with a twin configuration that would fit the Prila...

[mashman]

They may even lease which comes with servicing etc......guess they should have Holden's to keep everyone happy

Shhhhh, i'm sure there's some of the ford camp in here to ya now :shifty:

[Pedrostt500]

The problem with the common rail diesle engines and NZ diesle is we have the diesle bug here, it fucks the diesle pumps so quickly that you are not aware of the problem till your vechicle won't start. the fix is to replace your fuel system, at a starting cost of around $10k, and going sharply up from there.

[paddy]

The problem with the common rail diesle engines and NZ diesle is we have the diesle bug here, it fucks the diesle pumps so quickly that you are not aware of the problem till your vechicle won't start. the fix is to replace your fuel system, at a starting cost of around $10k, and going sharply up from there.

I'm a bit confused. What is "the diesle bug"? How does is break your fuel pump? And why does a broken fuel pump require the entire fuel system to be replaced? I'm not being facetious, I'm genuinely curious.

I'd heard that our diesel tends to be high in sulphur, but I can't see that causing the types of issue given above.

[James Deuce]

Hyundai i30s are cheaper to buy AND run than Volkswagen's latest diesel's and the quality is just as good.

[smoky]

The problem with the common rail diesle engines and NZ diesle is we have the diesle bug here, it fucks the diesle pumps so quickly that you are not aware of the problem till your vechicle won't start.

Yeah - thats why you see them broken down every where??? not

Don't believe everything you read dude

[smoky]

That is a surprise really

Most government agencies buy not lease - lease deals don't stack up for them.

Treasury put out guidelines on all that kind of stuff for agencies and g departments to follow, VW isn't on their list.
Skoda diesels are very reliable and cheap to run
i30 Hyundai is probably one of the best little fleet vehicles

[James Deuce]

That is a surprise really

Most government agencies buy not lease - lease deals don't stack up for them.

Treasury put out guidelines on all that kind of stuff for agencies and g departments to follow, VW isn't on their list.
Skoda diesels are very reliable and cheap to run
i30 Hyundai is probably one of the best little fleet vehicles
Skoda diesels are VW diesels. Skoda have been on VW platforms since the late 90s.

[smoky]

Skoda diesels are VW diesels. Skoda have been on VW platforms since the late 90s.

one big difference; the price

[YellowDog]

If yo are German:

VW = Cheap quality car for poor people.
BMW & Merc = For Rich people
AUDI = Like quality, but not so rich.
But as for Skoda :rofl:

I'd rather walk thanks.

[James Deuce]

If yo are German:

VW = Cheap quality car for poor people.
BMW & Merc = For Rich people
AUDI = Like quality, but not so rich.
But as for Skoda :rofl:

I'd rather walk thanks.

You're completely wrong about Skoda. Roomiest, best appointed family car on the market is the Skoda Superb. These are not the air-cooled, rear-engined rust buckets of the 70s we're talking about. You could not be more wrong. They are made in the same factory as VW Polos and Golfs. They use VW platforms and engines, and they are simply a badge engineered VWs. I don't agree about the price either Smoky. If you're looking at the Diesel models there's nothing in it.

[Dadpole]

When the ACC bods came in to where I used to work to order stuff, they had silver Mitsi Outlanders (with towbars). These were medium level management types - basic literacy skills and communicating in mumbles.

[YellowDog]

You're completely wrong about Skoda. Roomiest, best appointed family car on the market is the Skoda Superb. These are not the air-cooled, rear-engined rust buckets of the 70s we're talking about. You could not be more wrong. They are made in the same factory as VW Polos and Golfs. They use VW platforms and engines, and they are simply a badge engineered VWs. I don't agree about the price either Smoky. If you're looking at the Diesel models there's nothing in it.
I am not completely wrong about Skoda.

They made great cars and are generally beter fitted than their VW equivelents.

But I would never ever ever ever ever buy a car with the Skoda badge on it.

My reasons go back several decades :)

[James Deuce]

I am not completely wrong about Skoda.

They made great cars and are generally beter fitted than their VW equivelents.

But I would never ever ever ever ever buy a car with the Skoda badge on it.

My reasons go back several decades :)

That's stupid. They're modern VWs, and that reply is just conservative bigotry.

If you are talking about the political philosophy around the trade agreement that landed Skodas in New Zealand, please be aware that the Berlin wall fell over 20 years ago, and Skoda is now a German owned company in a country governed by the same capitalist philosophy the ensures the distribution of wealth around the self congratulatory class.

[raster]

My Dad would never never ever ever!!!!! by a Jap car after the war....

He would rant and rave about @#%$$@ Japs for hours..


His last car was a Nissan Bluebird :whistle:

[ukusa]

I am not completely wrong about Skoda.

They made great cars and are generally beter fitted than their VW equivelents.

But I would never ever ever ever ever buy a car with the Skoda badge on it.

My reasons go back several decades :)

I agree, there is really nothing wrong with the quality of the VW produced cars these days, and they have had favourable reviews, but the Skoda name was such a joke in NZ (like the Lada) that it is virtually tarnished for life in NZ. Sales figures are poor, as is resale value.
Think of it this way, a group of blokes down at the pub telling the boys about the new cars they have just bought... V8 Commodore, XR8 Falcon, Hilux Ute etc when some bloke pipes up and says "I just paid 50K for a Skoda". I can still here the laughter.

Back to the original subject, shouldn't ACC have Volvo's? You could hit a tree at 50 and not even damage the car.

[crazyhorse]

Shhhhh, i'm sure there's some of the ford camp in here to ya now :shifty:

Whose winning the championships??? I'll give you a hint - it sure aint Holdens - Ford's rule :niceone:

[raster]

Whose winning the championships??? I'll give you a hint - it sure aint Holdens - Ford's rule :niceone:

You will need to jog my memory ..... who won the bathurst this year???????

:blank:

[crazyhorse]

You will need to jog my memory ..... who won the bathurst this year???????

:blank:

Ahhhh.............. and who won the CHAMPIONSHIP?????

Yip!! was FORD - of course. The best :done:

[FROSTY]

Hard to tell. First there is fleet discounts, and then there is the cost of the servicing program, then there is the actual cost of running the vehicle, and finally the re-sale value.

I would expect they would be looking at the total cost of ownership, and not just the purchase price.
I'm sorry mate. Just to qualify. This is what I do for a living (buy/sell cars)
There is NO reason for a golf to be used rather than a corolla or pulsar. They cost more and are more expensive to keep on the road.