Mall protest postponed

[dpex]

Hi all,

In deference to the public, the organisers have agreed to postpone the mall car-park protest.

Details on the new date and time will be posted here when appropriate.

[Nasty]

Hi all,

In deference to the public, the organisers have agreed to postpone the mall car-park protest.

Details on the new date and time will be posted here when appropriate.

So it becomes a fizzer ... no matter when you do this it will never be with good public opinion ... you gonna call the NZ Herald and tell them that you have backed down "due to adverse public reaction"

[StoneY]

While I myself dont agree with upsetting public, it is not good backing down either

But hey you guys made the wisest call you can for the best reasons so good on ya's

Hard call to make aint it......

[CookMySock]

What did everyone expect? Half the fucking KB site mobilised against him.. Maybe they should go and organise something themselves rather than criticising from the comfort of their fucking armchairs.

Not impressed.

Steve

[Nasty]

What did everyone expect? Half the fucking KB site mobilised against him.. Maybe they should go and organise something themselves rather than criticising from the comfort of their fucking armchairs.

Not impressed.

Steve

ummm .. I have!!!! We are riding today to protest against the effects of the levies on small businesses that are hugely supported by bikers ... and also the affect that this may have on charity rides ... so not criticising from my bloody armchair!

Positive press in the local rags for this ride ... and that is even after they knew about Grubs accident (which they found out from other sources)!

[Ronin]

What did everyone expect? Half the fucking KB site mobilised against him.. Maybe they should go and organise something themselves rather than criticising from the comfort of their fucking armchairs.

Not impressed.

Steve

Nope, they voiced an opinion that is different to his. That's a bad things how?

[oldrider]

Hmm, do I sense the fragmentation of the divided and vulnerable emerging here?

Have a go for sure but the opposition are in it for the long hall and have absolutely nothing to lose!

Even worse is the fact that they don't even fucking well care! :spanking: the bastards!

[CookMySock]

Nope, they voiced an opinion that is different to his. That's a bad things how?They went a lot further than that. They shot him down publicly, then launched a poll that collected a statistic, and then used that to demonstrate publicly that he was unsupported by the majority.

I am all for opinion, but the way in which it was delivered and used as a tool to defeat, lost YOU a lot more than YOU would had gained if YOU had SAID NOTHING. :clap:

Fucking smart move, champ. How about all the of the people who voted "no" start a fucking thread of their own, and organise to GO DO SOMETHING USEFUL about the problem?? No, I did not think so.

Steve

[Tank]

I laughed and I laughed and I laughed.

A piss poor idea made even worse but a total lack of orginisation skills.

It was always going to fail - but you wanted to be the big man and went to the herald before you even had support for you idea.

You have shown the public and media how amaturish a campain can be. You have done a diservice to the cause - and by calling yourself a footsolder from kiwibiker have done a diservice to the site also.

Epic fail on every front. Well done.

[Ronin]

They went a lot further than that. They shot him down publicly, then launched a poll that collected a statistic, and then used that to demonstrate publicly that he was unsupported by the majority.

I am all for opinion, but the way in which it was delivered and used as a tool to defeat, lost YOU a lot more than YOU would had gained if YOU had SAID NOTHING. :clap:

Fucking smart move, champ. How about all the of the people who voted "no" start a fucking thread of their own, and organise to GO DO SOMETHING USEFUL about the problem?? No, I did not think so.

Steve

Sorry, would have replied earlier. Was out on public relations ride and helping spread the word.

Tell you what, between you and me... I lost sweet fuck all. If you have a problem with me voicing my opinion then tough. Of course your welcome to voice your opinion on that without me condemning you for doing so.

Have a great day.

[Ronin]

I laughed and I laughed and I laughed.

A piss poor idea made even worse but a total lack of orginisation skills.

It was always going to fail - but you wanted to be the big man and went to the herald before you even had support for you idea.

You have shown the public and media how amaturish a campain can be. You have done a diservice to the cause - and by calling yourself a footsolder from kiwibiker have done a diservice to the site also.

Epic fail on every front. Well done.

Must spread reputation around blah blah blah. ;)

DB, could you green bling Tank for me? I'm all out.

[short-circuit]

They went a lot further than that. They shot him down publicly, then launched a poll that collected a statistic, and then used that to demonstrate publicly that he was unsupported by the majority.

I am all for opinion, but the way in which it was delivered and used as a tool to defeat, lost YOU a lot more than YOU would had gained if YOU had SAID NOTHING. :clap:

Fucking smart move, champ. How about all the of the people who voted "no" start a fucking thread of their own, and organise to GO DO SOMETHING USEFUL about the problem?? No, I did not think so.

Steve

You've piped up again I see - head above the trenches so to speak. You know what happens when you do that don't you Steve.

[Ronin]

You've piped up again I see - head above the trenches so to speak. You know what happens when you do that don't you Steve.

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[Tank]

You've piped up again I see - head above the trenches so to speak. You know what happens when you do that don't you Steve.

I'm just guessing - but does it end in waaaaaaaaaaaaaa:crybaby:

[Tank]

They went a lot further than that. They shot him down publicly, then launched a poll that collected a statistic, and then used that to demonstrate publicly that he was unsupported by the majority.



As opposed to going to the Herald - talking up being a "foot soldier" of kiwibiker and using that to pretend he was supported by the majority.

[R6_kid]

LOL. I should have put money on it. Execution fail!

If you're gonna do something like that you don't tell the media first, atleast not until you have enough people to make it effective confirmed as attending.

[PrincessBandit]

They went a lot further than that. They shot him down publicly, then launched a poll that collected a statistic, and then used that to demonstrate publicly that he was unsupported by the majority.

I am all for opinion, but the way in which it was delivered and used as a tool to defeat, lost YOU a lot more than YOU would had gained if YOU had SAID NOTHING. :clap:

Fucking smart move, champ. How about all the of the people who voted "no" start a fucking thread of their own, and organise to GO DO SOMETHING USEFUL about the problem?? No, I did not think so.

Steve
I wouldn't have supported a mall protest like this, in fact I was one of the "no" voters. To piss off the wrong people (i.e. general public) isn't a smart move. Encouraging mr and mrs joe public to "side" with us in order to force either a backdown on ACC/govt's part or face a voting backlash at the next election wont happen if they get the shits with us.
Some of us ARE doing stuff Steve, positive things which keep our situation in the public eye but without creating public nuisance.
As far as the mall protest is concerned I see no problem with people here vehemently opposing courses of action which are likely to be detrimental to our situation.

[Flip]

FFS grow some hair on your ass.

I dont agree that the mall protest was a good idea but the guy tryed to do the right thing.

He had an idea and had the balls to run with it.

[PrincessBandit]

FFS grow some hair on your ass.

Who was that aimed at? Just curious, ya know.....

[Flip]

Who was that aimed at? Just curious, ya know.....

Timing is everything. I had just read DB's savaging, not yours....honest....

[short-circuit]

He had an idea and had the balls to run with it.

No he didn't - he pulled out (despite already being balls deep)

[short-circuit]

I'm just guessing - but does it end in waaaaaaaaaaaaaa:crybaby:

That's it - you get one free double, with hundreds and thousands and a flake!!!

[Flip]

No he didn't - he pulled out (despite already being balls deep)


He took it as far as he could, its just the the protest was wrong and he had relatively little support. If he was only balls deep he could have waded out.

His intentions were good.

[short-circuit]

He took it as far as he could, its just the the protest was wrong and he had relatively little support. If he was only balls deep he could have waded out.

His intentions were good.

Lets face it - the whole thing was a monumental balls up

[Mom]

I'm just guessing - but does it end in waaaaaaaaaaaaaa:crybaby:


That's it - you get one free double, with hundreds and thousands and a flake!!!


Stop it you two! Honestly, that is just mean.

He will be taking it International now, where have you two been?

[dpex]

I can't help but think some of you need to slow down on the drink and dope.

Either that or bone up on your reading skills.

First: Nowhere has there been any media mention that any part of the protest group or the organisers represented KB.

Second: The Herald assert they will be printing a short report on the publicly empathetic withdrawl....in deference to the seasonally-challenged public and the hard-pressed retailers. Sure, the protest point wasn't made (yet) but the PR from such a report, I would have thought to be most positive.

Third: At no time have I represented being either a foot-solder....not that I'm actually sure what a foot-solder happens to be....nor a foot-soldier for KB as a group. But I do act as nothing more than an information conduit for a relatively large group of folk who prefer to remain back-stage at the moment.

Fourth: Puttering around on bikes, collecting teddy-bears might make the putterers feel good but I doubt it will engage the attention of either the public or the government.

Fifth: I can't help but notice that striking bus-drivers, doctors, nurses, radiologists, teachers, et al, caused the public serious inconvenience. While the government is causing the public even more serious inconvenience. Have you noticed any of these groups give a big rats backside for inconveniencing the public?

Of course, were this nation, other than Maori who clearly are way smarter than we whities, equipped with the balls of the French, then by now the Beehive would have been surrounded by ten thousand trucks. The ports would have been blocked, millions of litres of milk spilled in the streets, and tens of thousands of tonnes of potatoes strewn hither and yon.

But hey! That's the French. They're prepared to actually get up and fight for what they believe, like the Maori.

Anyway. It's been a good learn for us...us being the secret group....

Oh, but I can't wait for the new year when the real games will begin.:--))

[Genestho]

Fifth: I can't help but notice that striking bus-drivers, doctors, nurses, radiologists, teachers, et al, caused the public serious inconvenience. While the government is causing the public even more serious inconvenience. Have you noticed any of these groups give a big rats backside for inconveniencing the public?


May I say that the public face of Doctors, Nurses, Radioligists and Teachers are not perceived as generally threatening, although many may be Motorcyclists.

(The difference is perception wise: And I am Generalising to make a point - sorry:bleh:)

Hairy
Tattoed
Leathers
Sharkie's
With a rep of: Loud bikes, Grumpy, Grunty, Scary, Anti-social. (love it :laugh:)

So anything you can do to minimise damage to public perception, and enhance/maximise the bigger picture and public face of Motorcycling, has to be a bonus JMHO:sweatdrop

A quote - a five minute fuse lasts 3 seconds.....but that doesn't mean letting the apathy set in.

I'm sure your intentions are fair :)

[short-circuit]

I can't help but think some of you need to slow down on the drink and dope.

Either that or bone up on your reading skills.

First: Nowhere has there been any media mention that any part of the protest group or the organisers represented KB.

Second: The Herald assert they will be printing a short report on the publicly empathetic withdrawl....in deference to the seasonally-challenged public and the hard-pressed retailers. Sure, the protest point wasn't made (yet) but the PR from such a report, I would have thought to be most positive.

Third: At no time have I represented being either a foot-solder....not that I'm actually sure what a foot-solder happens to be....nor a foot-soldier for KB as a group. But I do act as nothing more than an information conduit for a relatively large group of folk who prefer to remain back-stage at the moment.

Fourth: Puttering around on bikes, collecting teddy-bears might make the putterers feel good but I doubt it will engage the attention of either the public or the government.

Fifth: I can't help but notice that striking bus-drivers, doctors, nurses, radiologists, teachers, et al, caused the public serious inconvenience. While the government is causing the public even more serious inconvenience. Have you noticed any of these groups give a big rats backside for inconveniencing the public?

Of course, were this nation, other than Maori who clearly are way smarter than we whities, equipped with the balls of the French, then by now the Beehive would have been surrounded by ten thousand trucks. The ports would have been blocked, millions of litres of milk spilled in the streets, and tens of thousands of tonnes of potatoes strewn hither and yon.

But hey! That's the French. They're prepared to actually get up and fight for what they believe, like the Maori.

Anyway. It's been a good learn for us...us being the secret group....

Oh, but I can't wait for the new year when the real games will begin.:--))

I agree somewhat on points four and five. I keep saying it - fuck public preception, all that is important is exerting political pressure and not allowing apathy to kick in.

I really feel there is a place for militant action but it needs to have a major impact and have media coverage - commandeering a (private) underground carpark simply won't cut it.

[oldrider]

He took it as far as he could, its just the the protest was wrong and he had relatively little support. If he was only balls deep he could have waded out.

His intentions were good.

Old saying: The road to hell is paved with "good intentions"! :whistle:

[jeffs]

Before you all implode and start shouting at each other....

How about a different spin as a press release.

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New Zealand bikers want to hit out at ACC but are talked out of hitting the public.

Today after consultation with many bikers it was decided to stand down a disruptive protest against the ACC levy increases.
It was felt that although some bikers were prepared to close down shopping center car parks, to highlight the issue of bikers being forced back into cars but the huge proposed levy increases. This type of action could play into the hands of the ACC. Therefor organizers of the protest being the caring law abiding citizens they are, stood down today's protest. It was highlighted during these discussions that should the proposed levies not be revised, bikers may be forced to re-visit this type of protest in the future, as passive peaceful demonstrations have in the past been shown to be ignored by the government.

It is now up to the ACC and government to recognize the error of the proposed levy increase, before such protests are deemed
necessary by the whole motorbiking community.

[Maha]

Hi all,

In deference to the public, the organisers have agreed to postpone the mall car-park protest.

Details on the new date and time will be posted here when appropriate.

Why was it postponed?

Was it postponed because of the lack of support?
Or did you come to realisation that you may have got it wrong?

Whatever the reason?, I dont really care but would like to add, stand by your convictions. Personally, I doubt you will ever do it.

I heard on the 3pm news today that ''100's of bike were expected to cause disruption at local Auckland Malls bla bla'....someone looks like and idiot now, either you for not going ahead with it, or the Radio station for reporting something that never happened.

If you are really passionate about something, nothing will stop you, nothing!

Not even 150 teddy bears.

[jeffs]

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New Zealand bikers want to hit out at ACC but are talked out of hitting the public.


God its bad when you quote yourself :( but someone on the side suggested a more snappy headline for a positive spin press release, so here goes.

"New Zealand bikers know wrong from right, and decide not to follow ACC's example of forcing more congestion onto the roads."

Sell it like this and what did not happen, can be made to sound like a positive, and no one ends up with egg on their faces.

[Katman]

God its bad when you quote yourself :( but someone on the side suggested a more snappy headline for a press release, so here goes.

"New Zealand bikers know wrong from right, and decide not to follow ACC's example of forcing more congestion onto the roads."

I prefer the other one.

[jeffs]

I prefer the other one.

I would be disappointed in you if you did not :)

[dpex]

Christmas spirit scuttles motorcyclists' protest plans
By Mathew Dearnaley
4:00 AM Monday Nov 30, 2009

Santa and the Christmas spirit appeared to give a band of bikers cold feet about disrupting Auckland shopping malls yesterday with accident compensation protests.

A shadowy threat to occupy carparks at up to three malls in protest against proposed ACC levy rises of up to $493 for large motorbikes was lifted just after 6am by a message on the Kiwibiker website saying that the organisers had postponed their plans "in deference to the public."

Veteran motorcyclist David Peppiatt said he was "somewhat annoyed" by the backdown and puzzled that the organisers, who have not identified themselves, had cited central Auckland's Santa Parade among their reasons.

Mr Peppiatt, who posted the postponement message on the website, said the malls targeted were outside the central business district, although there had also been a plan to ride up Queen St after the parade.

The Kiwibiker website has been rife with criticism of the proposed protests, and Mr Peppiatt said he suspected that had "got a lot of people worried they are going to upset the public".

"I keep saying, there's only one way to get this thing moving, and that's to get the public to start yelping," he said.

The action was not condoned by the mainstream Bikers Organisation of New Zealand (Bronz), which organised a 5000-strong "bikoi" protest ride to Parliament, but which is urging protesters "not to target innocent business owners or to undertake actions specifically intended to disrupt the public".


But Auckland branch president Les Mason expects many of his members to attend a public meeting at the Royal Akarana Yacht Club tonight to fire questions at Accident Compensation Minister Nick Smith, who will be guest speaker.

Mr Mason said he also understood a separate protest was being organised outside the yacht club by those concerned about proposed tighter rules for ACC-funded counselling of sexual abuse victims.

By Mathew Dearnaley | Email Mathew

[Str8 Jacket]

All I got from that was "kiwibiker website, kiwibiker website, kiwibiker website".... So how many more people will start "spying" on us now....

[Oakie]

All I got from that was "kiwibiker website, kiwibiker website, kiwibiker website".... So how many more people will start "spying" on us now....

That's the price you pay for having a profile. You want to keep ACC planning stuff secret? Set up a social group where only members who have belonged for more than 3 months can access then flick out announcements on locked threads.

EDIT: Or set up a group like the 'Senior Members' where you have to qualify to access.

[Katman]

Christmas spirit scuttles motorcyclists' protest plans
By Mathew Dearnaley
4:00 AM Monday Nov 30, 2009


That's a good article.

The only person who is made to look bad in it is dpex.

[steve_t]

LOL at news reporting. A "band of bikers" got cold feet due to the Santa Parade and the Christmas spirit :laugh: :grouphug:

[PhantasmNZ]

*yawn* - I'm somewhat bored of these mysterious uber-secret "organisers" that are behind everything.

Unlike everyone else in the pro-mall protest, (apart from the mysterious shadowy group at the helm), I actually have put myself, and my family out, a lot, for the protests.

I helped with the auckland ride, printed god knows how many fabric transfers till all hours of the night, sent my wife and our then 7 week old daughter out to buy MORE transfers when I was working, deilvered many hundreds of flyers for two events arounf auckland, spent my own money up front to buy said transfers, ink, vests, postage, megaphones on the promise of payment later by a group of bikers I barely knew. I also took time off work and my baby daughter to marhall at the bikoi (flying to wellington on my own coin).

So, yes DB and others, I do think I'm qualified to have an opinion on here - even though I never even expressed that opinion on the poll.

All Kudos though to Matthew Deleany (sp?) in the Herald - he has really done us proud with his reporting. I do agree though - that intention or not - the message the public will have got regarding the dispruptive protest is Kiwibike Kiwibiker Kiwibiker..

</rant>

That over - good on ya Dpex for pulling the plug. There's got to be common ground here - let's pull together to find it - the next bikoi protest needs to be bigger and louder - there's little doubt about that.

[dpex]

That's a good article.

The only person who is made to look bad in it is dpex.

And this from a minor weasel who does nothing else but talk, talk, talk.

You see, Katweasel, I can take the lumps, whereas you are just one of the lumps.... of social detritus making up the cattle numbers.

You're a pathetic little boy, probably dressed in a strawberry printed pinny while you microwave your takeaways, prior to coming on here to feel grand.

But perhaps you could take you hand off your little putz, for just a short time, and regale us all with what it is, precisely you, Katpiss has or is doing to further the cause against ACC levies.

What is it? " Yeah well. I sat in front of TV, whacking off, and thought..."

Like you ever have an original thought.

What a cock.

[jeffs]

Using Katmans Super powers ( his words ) I can predict Katmans response


Hey, I've been called worse.

:msn-wink:

[Katman]

Sorry to disappoint you jeffs..........


Blah, blah, blah.........

:tugger:

[Nasty]

... blah blah

Veteran motorcyclist David Peppiatt said he was "somewhat annoyed" by the backdown and puzzled that the organisers, who have not identified themselves, had cited central Auckland's Santa Parade among their reasons.

Mr Peppiatt, who posted the postponement message on the website, said the malls targeted were outside the central business district, although there had also been a plan to ride up Queen St after the parade.



I thought you were one of the organisers ... oh well ...

[PrincessBandit]

Sorry to disappoint you jeffs..........



:tugger:

Aaaargh, why did you have to quote dpox? I have been a happy little chipmunk since putting him on ignore and not seeing his verbal ejaculate. Now I've been exposed to his poxy dribbles, I feel unclean.
Must go and have a scalding shower and scrub myself with a wire brush....

[FROSTY]

There is of course an arguement that any press is good press in that the issue goes frompeoples minds pretty fast.
or as someone once said to me
Someone not directly involved will care more about a paper cut on their little finger that 200 people dead in the USA

[Katman]

Aaaargh, why did you have to quote dpox? I have been a happy little chipmunk since putting him on ignore and not seeing his verbal ejaculate. Now I've been exposed to his poxy dribbles, I feel unclean.
Must go and have a scalding shower and scrub myself with a wire brush....

Sorry about that. Have fixed it for you.

[Ronin]

I thought you were one of the organisers ... oh well ...

Not all of his voices speak to each other you know.

[Gubb]

I thought you were one of the organisers ... oh well ...
Nah, that's me. I control the shadowy masses.

Oh shit.