Let's not inconvenience the public

[dpex]

Arguably one of the more pathetic responses espoused. But you're entitled to your opinion.

Now then, so many of you opposed to the mall rally assert you'll do anything reasonable to support the cause and further the protests.

Well then. Here's the challenge.

Tomorrow night we expect to meet Nick Smith at Akarana Yacht Club. 7:30 sharp.

Tuesday night. Kanwaljit Singh Bakshi (Nats) is holding a function at 131 Kolmar Rd...free food and wine, I gather.

So here's your chance to make good on your assertions of proactivity.

I shall be at both.

I shall expect ALL of you to join me/us at both venue...unless of course being at both would be just too inconvenient, too time consuming, too much of a bother.

It is my intention to contact the Herald and the various radio and TV media to announce that WE will be at these venue in force.

No public inconvenience excuse for you.

And so if the turn out is maybe me and a few others, who will be to blame?

You! For sitting on your hands hoping 'they' will make it all go away.

See you all Monday and Tuesday nights.

[Ronin]

The major problem is that you seem to suffer under the assumption that everyone should feel, think and act the same way you do. Of course they don't and this seems to be causing you a large amount of angst.

[p.dath]

Perhaps you should run a poll so you know how many will be attending?

[White trash]

I shall expect ALL of you to join me/us at both venue...

You sound like my fucken highschool principal.

So you're making a big song and dance, bully for you. When the Anti Levy crusade is successfull, you'll be able to sit down and say "I did it all but that cunt 'Trash never lifted a finger."

I feel so worthless............

[Nasty]

Maybe ... just maybe you should think about what people are actually saying ... it seems that you see one thing Let's Not Inconvenience The Public, and lots of people are actually saying - Target the right places. Personally, I would not support a mall protest - as it does not target anyone in particular - it may leave people confused and really farked off.

I think that educating the public is a better way of dealing ... people do not know that they are also being targetted ... make them aware ...

[Jantar]

....

I shall expect ALL of you to join me/us at both venue...unless of course being at both would be just too inconvenient, too time consuming, too much of a bother.
....
I would join you at both, but as I don't finish work until 7:00 Monday morning, I think I'll have to give both of these a miss. I can't see anyway that I could get to Auckland in that short time.

However this is the type of protest that I would support. It doesn't require large numbers like the Bikeoi, yet keeps motorcyclists in the forefront of politicians awareness. I hope that there is a good representation at both venues.

[yungatart]

I won't be there...I'm at school camp.

I do what I can, dude, and I won't be bullied, neither by you nor ACC.

You are not my keeper, and you have no right to take that sanctimonious tone with me!

[dpex]

Maybe ... just maybe you should think about what people are actually saying ... it seems that you see one thing Let's Not Inconvenience The Public, and lots of people are actually saying - Target the right places. Personally, I would not support a mall protest - as it does not target anyone in particular - it may leave people confused and really farked off.

I think that educating the public is a better way of dealing ... people do not know that they are also being targetted ... make them aware ...

And so having proselytised on so much, can we expect to see you at either of the Nat Party meetings; or are you just too busy proseltysing here?

Maybe you have some amazingly secret way of 'educating' the public which, as yet, you prefer to keep to yourself.

All I see is from you is proselytising amongst a few puttering bike runs with a teddy up your blouse.

[MadDuck]

I shall expect ALL of you to join me/us at both venue...unless of course being at both would be just too inconvenient, too time consuming, too much of a bother.

Do not demand that we do anything Dpex. Your tone is that of a bloody bully.


It is my intention to contact the Herald and the various radio and TV media to announce that WE will be at these venue in force.

I will be at both if I can get away from work but I want to make it clear that YOU do not represent me.

[caseye]

Regards Nick Smiths meeting tomorrow night at The Royal Akarana Yacht Club, the more motorcyclists that go the better.
Numbers both inside the meeting (which is a public one) and outside are seriously needed!.
We need to be seen in strength and to be doing these things only to make ourselves heard and Understood by Mr Myth and his Ilk.For now.
So to all who are reading this, please, make the effort.Assemble at Okahu Bay reserve at 6.30pm and we'll ride from there.

[klingon]

And so having proselytised on so much, can we expect to see you at either of the Nat Party meetings; or are you just too busy proseltysing here?

Maybe you have some amazingly secret way of 'educating' the public which, as yet, you prefer to keep to yourself.

All I see is from you is proselytising amongst a few puttering bike runs with a teddy up your blouse.

:rofl:

All this post shows is that you really have no idea who has been doing what for this campaign!

[Mom]

I shall expect ALL of you to join me/us at both venue...unless of course being at both would be just too inconvenient, too time consuming, too much of a bother.

Well, I may or may not be attending tomorrow night, but if I do I will NOT be attending the next night. Some of us, dont actually live in Auckland, unbelieveable as that may be. Some of us, have also done some really hard yards since these ACC levy increases were first announced. Some of us, have organised and been part of some fairly intense protest action for the past month or so. Some of us, are still working very hard to make sure that this issue remains in the public eye.


Some of us, me included at this point are getting a bit ticked off with you and your NOISE! Put up or shut up! You are not helping.

Some of us also dont trumpet about how we are not getting supported, because we are.


All I see is from you is proselytising amongst a few puttering bike runs with a teddy up your blouse.

I suggest you withdraw that comment mate, I find it personally offensive even though it was not directed personally at me.

"proselytising" is nothing to with what a LARGE number of us have done, and are continuing to do!

[Virago]

And so having proselytised on so much, can we expect to see you at either of the Nat Party meetings; or are you just too busy proseltysing here?

Maybe you have some amazingly secret way of 'educating' the public which, as yet, you prefer to keep to yourself.

All I see is from you is proselytising amongst a few puttering bike runs with a teddy up your blouse.

Oh dear. Are you actually aware what Nasty has done?

While some are frantically blowing their own trumpet, they often fail to notice the huge amounts of work being quietly done by others.

[Elysium]

Bummer it's in Auckland and work will prevent me going any case.

And to those attending be loud and in his face!

[Nasty]

And so having proselytised on so much, can we expect to see you at either of the Nat Party meetings; or are you just too busy proseltysing here?

Maybe you have some amazingly secret way of 'educating' the public which, as yet, you prefer to keep to yourself.

All I see is from you is proselytising amongst a few puttering bike runs with a teddy up your blouse.

OK using basic language that people can understand .. is a great start ... trying to show that you are intelligent by using polysyllabic words shows a true lack of the use of intellect. I have a great way of educating the public ... I SPEAK WITH THEM!

[coffeejunkie]

OK using basic language that people can understand .. is a great start ... trying to show that you are intelligent by using polysyllabic words shows a true lack of the use of intellect. I have a great way of educating the public ... I SPEAK WITH THEM!

Speaking to people is a great way to get the word out there about what is happening........
It makes me so fucking angry when people like "dpex" get on their soapbox and start demanding that people turn up.....Whats the point?

[Max Headroom]

Arguably one of the more pathetic responses espoused. But you're entitled to your opinion.

That's very gracious of you to allow others to hold an opinion.


I shall expect ALL of you to join me/us at both venue...unless of course being at both would be just too inconvenient, too time consuming, too much of a bother.

My attendence won't be influenced by you, and certainly not by your comments here. There are a number of folk intending to be at the Tamaki Yacht club tomorrow night, and we made that decision without you. Hope you don't mind, but some of us also took the liberty of arranging a pizza delivery. Protesting tends to make us hungry . . . .



It is my intention to contact the Herald and the various radio and TV media to announce that WE will be at these venue in force.

After your last fiasco, i'd be surprised if any of the high-profile media will be listening too closely to what you say anymore. Since when did self-proclaimed foot soldiers start directing the troops?

[MSTRS]

I can understand an impassioned plea. I can understand proposing an idea, coupled with reasoning as to why it's a 'good' idea. I can understand a request.

But I can't understand bullying demands and barely hidden threats and overt insults.

Dpex - if you want to be taken seriously (and you DO have some good ideas), you need to be a little less aggressive. In fact, a whole lot less. We are all allies in this, some people need to realise this whole thing is a team effort, it's not all about them
Even if I lived anywhere near, I'd be put off attending by your tone.

[Katman]

And so having proselytised on so much, can we expect to see you at either of the Nat Party meetings; or are you just too busy proseltysing here?

Maybe you have some amazingly secret way of 'educating' the public which, as yet, you prefer to keep to yourself.

All I see is from you is proselytising amongst a few puttering bike runs with a teddy up your blouse.

Sounds like someone learnt a new word today.

[Voltaire]

Dpex wrote
It is my intention to contact the Herald and the various radio and TV media to announce that WE will be at these venue in force.

Cool, can YOU also ring 0800 83 83 83 and get more pizza and coffee.:whistle:

[Ronin]

And so having proselytised on so much, can we expect to see you at either of the Nat Party meetings; or are you just too busy proseltysing here?

Maybe you have some amazingly secret way of 'educating' the public which, as yet, you prefer to keep to yourself.

All I see is from you is proselytising amongst a few puttering bike runs with a teddy up your blouse.

Dude, seriously. Get a Thesaurus.

On a lighter note. Nasty has done more to help both bikers and the public in the last year than you will ever do in a life time of narrow minded deluded posting on the net.

Go, fight your war, fall on your sword. Just do it on your own. The people you think you are fighting for are sick of you.

[avgas]

As much fun as I would have gatecrashing the gov parties, my schedule is booked for the next week.

Errrr what are you planning to talk to Nick about? Are you assuming that he will listen?
If he does not listen what will you do?

[Ronin]

Do not demand that we do anything Dpex. Your tone is that of a bloody bully.



I will be at both if I can get away from work but I want to make it clear that YOU do not represent me.

Can you find an "I'm not with stoopid" T-Shirt?

[Ixion]

Inconveniencing the public is not necessarily a no-no.

We inconvenienced them a lot at the BIKEOI. And they were inconvenienced a lot today by the Santa Parade.

What is important is that when they are put upon, they understand why. That it's not just a bunch of inconsiderate people being selfish.

The problem with malls is that they don't allow signs , leaflets etc. So the opportunity to put the 'why' is very limited.

And unlike Mission Bay, the public don't go elsewhere, park and return to where the bikes are , so we can educate them. They just park elsewhere, enter the mall by a different door , and grumble about 'inconsiderate
bikers'.

A mall is just not very friendly territory for this sort of thing

h

[scissorhands]

Anger is no good dude. No one likes a hot head, and you need to chill out a bit. Try 'The Daktory' in New Lynn.

Intensions mean squat without a result

[Ronin]

Inconveniencing the public is not necessarily a no-no.

We inconvenienced them a lot at the BIKEOI. And they were inconvenienced a lot today by the Santa Parade.

What is important is that when they are put upon, they understand why. That it's not just a bunch of inconsiderate people being selfish.

The problem with malls is that they don't allow signs , leaflets etc. So the opportunity to put the 'why' is very limited.

And unlike Mission Bay, the public don't go elsewhere, park and return to where the bikes are , so we can educate them. They just park elsewhere, enter the mall by a different door , and grumble about 'inconsiderate
bikers'.

A mall is just not very friendly territory for this sort of thing

h

And this dpex is why the majority are happy to work with the people who organised the bikoi. Well considered well written arguments.

[wingrider]

And here I was thinking that the Jim Knox / Ken Douglas style of militancy went out in the early eighties.

Reading this has stirred memories of why I hated them so much.

The rhetoric smacks of demands from those who believe they have a controlling right whilst hiding behind others.

Your hearts in the right place, pity your head is buried somewhere so deep that you cant see whats in front of you.

Even the militants learned that you don't win wars with brute force alone, nor by alienating those who agree with the fundermentals for what you are fighting for.

The National party and acc, ( who are just wanabe national puppets) along with their business roundtable supporters believe that if they get into bed with each other and coerce the other minority players with bribes that they can take on the world.

At the end of the day they forget that the majority is on the other side although there are some that just dont know it.

The smart leader in opposition picks his moment and thinks smarter than the opponent. He educates his force so that when he does fight, he has one mass, all going in the same direction, singing from the same songsheet and totally united in the quest.

it's always better to be judged by 12 of your peers than to be carried by 6 of your mates at the end of it all.

[Mully]

Sometimes I quite simply love this place.


Inconveniencing the public is not necessarily a no-no.

We inconvenienced them a lot at the BIKEOI. And they were inconvenienced a lot today by the Santa Parade.

What is important is that when they are put upon, they understand why. That it's not just a bunch of inconsiderate people being selfish.


Very well said, Ixion.

[wingrider]

Ok lets try this as a totally different approach.

National is totally RELIANT on the support of their minority partners to get the changes passed.

The biggest minority is the Maori Party.

But instead of talking to ALL members of the party, they fragment it and only speak to the elected few offering big bribes that will only benefit those few and not the majority.

Do we then, rock up to the Maori Party HQ. muskets in hand and demand they give it back?

Or are we better to rock up to the home of Maoridom, and educate the majority that their elected few have tossed them into the river without a waka all for 30 pieces of silver that the majority will never see?

Reunite the majority as one mass with us, marching as one army, to tell those elected few that they have just lost their Mana and we will not let them sell us out again.

National have just lost their main supporter and the opposition ranks have just swelled.

Now some of us might not like it that we have those others in our ranks BUT.
Do we let a few shaft the lot of us OR do we all shaft the few in return?

[R6_kid]

It is my intention to contact the Herald and the various radio and TV media to announce that WE will be at these venue in force.

Good idea, it worked really well last time.









NOT!

What is it to them? The idea is to pressure the Government. If motorcyclists attending those functions becomes a 'problem' then the press will show up regardless. There is no point telling them that we will be there in force (without knowing for sure) and then only having 10 people on motorcycles show up, looking 'really scary'.

Could you please stick to being amateur at something else? Surely if it was worth reporting to the media, Les Mason would have done so already.

[NONONO]

And here I was thinking that the Jim Knox / Ken Douglas style of militancy went out in the early eighties.

Reading this has stirred memories of why I hated them so much.

The rhetoric smacks of demands from those who believe they have a controlling right whilst hiding behind others.

Your hearts in the right place, pity your head is buried somewhere so deep that you cant see whats in front of you.

Even the militants learned that you don't win wars with brute force alone, nor by alienating those who agree with the fundermentals for what you are fighting for.

The National party and acc, ( who are just wanabe national puppets) along with their business roundtable supporters believe that if they get into bed with each other and coerce the other minority players with bribes that they can take on the world.

At the end of the day they forget that the majority is on the other side although there are some that just dont know it.

The smart leader in opposition picks his moment and thinks smarter than the opponent. He educates his force so that when he does fight, he has one mass, all going in the same direction, singing from the same songsheet and totally united in the quest.

it's always better to be judged by 12 of your peers than to be carried by 6 of your mates at the end of it all.

So, you're going "musket in hand" eh? Good luck with that one...
Jeeeeez.

[Mully]

Or are we better to rock up to the home of Maoridom, and educate the majority that their elected few have tossed them into the river without a waka all for 30 pieces of silver that the majority will never see?

FYI, historically those Maori selling out the rest for 30 pieces of silver have not needed to be elected - how many Billions have been given out in "Treaty Settlements" and been skimmed off the top by unscrupulous "Kaumatua", rather than used to assist the "common" Maori?

I do agree with the "Divide and conquer" method though. It's what politicians have been using against the public for years.

[Laxi]

Sounds like someone learnt a new word today.

OMFG i'm goin out the back yard to find a tree to hang from! I was actualy going to say the same thing as Katman:eek5::crazy:

[Ronin]

OMFG i'm goin out the back yard to find a tree to hang from! I was actualy going to say the same thing as Katman:eek5::crazy:

That's nothing. I agreed with him the other day. Now thats disturbing.

[Mully]

OMFG i'm goin out the back yard to find a tree to hang from! I was actualy going to say the same thing as Katman:eek5::crazy:


That's nothing. I agreed with him the other day. Now thats disturbing.

Perhaps we should refer to you as "Katmen" now??

[Ronin]

Perhaps we should refer to you as "Katmen" now??

Normal service will be returned as soon as possible. Please hold the line caller.

[Mully]

Normal service will be returned as soon as possible. Please hold the line caller.

Actually, "Ronin" is pretty close to "Robin".

Katman and Ronin.
Dunner dunner dunner dunner - KATMAN!!

:whistle:

We just need to find something for Laxi.....

[MSTRS]

Actually, "Ronin" is pretty close to "Robin".

Katman and Ronin.
Dunner dunner dunner dunner - KATMAN!!

:whistle:

We just need to find something for Laxi.....

Tive? The whole concept gives me the shits...

[Murray]

Well then. Here's the challenge.

Tomorrow night we expect to meet Nick Smith at Akarana Yacht Club. 7:30 sharp.

Tuesday night. Kanwaljit Singh Bakshi (Nats) is holding a function at 131 Kolmar Rd...free food and wine, I gather.

So here's your chance to make good on your assertions of proactivity.
And so if the turn out is maybe me and a few others, who will be to blame?
See you all Monday and Tuesday nights.

Why don't you put it in the calendar and then you might get an idea of attendence. This weekends CHCH protest ride has 54 bikes registered so far. Good effort guys

[wingrider]

I do agree with the "Divide and conquer" method though. It's what politicians have been using against the public for years.

Yes, and thats my thought, Use their own stratergy in reverse against them.
Comments in the media over that past couple of days, (letters to the editor, editorials, opinions etc) all seem to say that Maori are getting sold out by their own elected few.
The deal struck with the Nats over the ETS is going to burden future Maori for many years. HELLO it's going to burden us all.

And the changes to ACC is not just going to affect us white fella's, its going to effect every single person.

[FROSTY]

HEY FOLKS ---
WOAHH THERE!!!!
I apreciate Dpex may be charging in here, but fighting amongst ourselves is EXACTLY what they want isn't it??

[Insanity_rules]

Maybe ... just maybe you should think about what people are actually saying ... it seems that you see one thing Let's Not Inconvenience The Public, and lots of people are actually saying - Target the right places. Personally, I would not support a mall protest - as it does not target anyone in particular - it may leave people confused and really farked off.

I think that educating the public is a better way of dealing ... people do not know that they are also being targetted ... make them aware ...

I'm with Kari on this, she knows her knitting when it comes to this kinda stuff. I doesn't mean we're not allowed to shout and stamp our feet, lets keep telling it like it is in the loudest possible voice. My 2c

[Ronin]

HEY FOLKS ---
WOAHH THERE!!!!
I apreciate Dpex may be charging in here, but fighting amongst ourselves is EXACTLY what they want isn't it??

Who said fighting? I was discussing.....


so woahh frosty!!

[MSTRS]

I'm with Kari on this, she knows her knitting when it comes to this kinda stuff. I doesn't mean we're not allowed to shout and stamp our feet, lets keep telling it like it is in the loudest possible voice. My 2c

After the two little gems today, there will be a few more of us who are getting close/r to throwing things as well...

[Gixxer 4 ever]

This thread is the very image of what pulled the Hawkes Bay apart.
If people keep this up we will be lost in space.

People have the right to put up ideas and plan the next move. Great stuff. And with out them nothing happens

Others have the right to support or not support. No one has the right to tell people what choices they make. People died for us to have the choice to say yes or no.


Why can’t people just post their ideas and ask for support. If you want to support sign up and support. If you don’t want to support any given action don’t sign up but don’t attack others for organizing events.

If you put on an event and no one turns up that’s free choice. Don’t attack them.

The Hawkes Bay thread was closed and sent to the bin and this thread is getting close to the same result.

We must stay united but have choices.

[Ronin]

After the two little gems today, there will be a few more of us who are getting close/r to throwing things as well...

Yup. I'm thinking that once we know for sure that we have followed the process, dotted our i's, crossed our t's and still been raped. All bets are off.

[MSTRS]

Yup. I'm thinking that once we know for sure that we have followed the process, dotted our i's, crossed our t's and still been raped. All bets are off.

Yep. And despite the difference of opinion as to what we should do, this protest is a series of events. A series that will slowly but surely intensify as time goes by without a palatable outcome for all. And should the levy be announced, at a level 'we' deem unacceptable, I truly believe that all bets are off as to the 'unrest' that will follow.

[nothingflash]

We just need to find something for Laxi.....

I've seen that Katman has been accused of talking shit here a few times. Laxi-tive perhaps? :laugh:

[Gixxer 4 ever]

Yep. And despite the difference of opinion as to what we should do, this protest is a series of events. A series that will slowly but surely intensify as time goes by without a palatable outcome for all. And should the levy be announced, at a level 'we' deem unacceptable, I truly believe that all bets are off as to the 'unrest' that will follow.

This is as I see it. Well said.

[Ronin]

Yep. And despite the difference of opinion as to what we should do, this protest is a series of events. A series that will slowly but surely intensify as time goes by without a palatable outcome for all. And should the levy be announced, at a level 'we' deem unacceptable, I truly believe that all bets are off as to the 'unrest' that will follow.

Yup, follow the process.