ACC recommendations out today . Heads up = no change

[Ixion]

I'm told that ACC have presented their "final" recommendations to the Minister today. A *very* small change in motorcycles rates - essentially unchanged.

No surprise, I'm only surprised if there is any reduction at all

Campaign continues as planned.

I'll do a press release once I've actually seen figures.

[Mully]

I didn't expect ACC to change their figures - they have to keep toeing the company line.

The pressure has always (to my mind) been on Cabinet who can approve or reject the levies.

Les, you're doing a bang-up job.

[Ixion]

It gives us an excellent attack on Mr Smith

He, the Minister is charge has repeatedly assured us "I don't expect the final levies will be as high as the proposals".

Now, Mr Judge has told him to go suck a kumara. "I'm running ACC , not you Nick. And I, John Judge, hate motorcycles. The levy the whole levy and nothing but the levy".

So, our question is, has Mr Smith lost control of his portfolio.

John Judge seems to ignore him with impunity (even turning ACC into an insurance company, when the Act specifically says it is not)

So, Mr Smith - is John Judge a loose cannon who needs taking in hand ? Or have you lost control of your portfolio?

[slofox]

So, Mr Smith - is John Judge a loose cannon who needs taking in hand ? Or have you lost control of your portfolio?

Or...Mr Judge is just following Mr Smith's instructions - and taking the flak to deflect it from the minister...who has a convenient scapegoat at hand.

[mashman]

It gives us an excellent attack on Mr Smith

He, the Minister is charge has repeatedly assured us "I don't expect the final levies will be as high as the proposals".

Now, Mr Judge has told him to go suck a kumara. "I'm running ACC , not you Nick. And I, John Judge, hate motorcycles. The levy the whole levy and nothing but the levy".

So, our question is, has Mr Smith lost control of his portfolio.

John Judge seems to ignore him with impunity (even turning ACC into an insurance company, when the Act specifically says it is not)

So, Mr Smith - is John Judge a loose cannon who needs taking in hand ? Or have you lost control of your portfolio?

Thems is fightin words... you better take a jelly filled paddling pool with you next time you meet.

If the Government aren't listening to a group of concerned motorcyclists, why are they going to listen to Judge? (I can only assume they need to take a vote of no confidence in Judge and he's gone!) This seems to be going one way for the people of NZ, and it's not favourable.

Where is the reason, where is the logic, where are the numbers that support the need for "policy" changes? Where's the project plan, why can't a public body (yeah right, government, a public body) get in to have a look at the books? it's our cash! I'm not talking about a royal review, i'm talking about a group of analysts form different fields giving the books a once over, validating the base data against the reporting sources, instead of just trusting that that's what Deep Thought came out with. If we're not allowed in, then what's the point of fighting, because it'll only end up with someone having a bloody nose... us!...

[The Pastor]

When I read that there was a very small change I thought you meant a small change from the existing leveys.

Then I came back to reality and realized you were talking about a small change in the proposals.

[ukusa]

if nothing changes, the protests will just have to become a more frequent event and more disruptive.

[Hanne]

Can we get a link to what the final recommendations are?

[Ixion]

Tomorrow, or Wednesday. Minister gets a preview today.

EDIT. David Parker's office says ACC press release tomorrow.

[avgas]

if nothing changes, the protests will just have to become a more frequent event and more disruptive.
I am just buying my time - You guys have done a bang up job at the peaceful protest stuff. I wish I had half your control.

Sadly I don't. So I don't attend such events.
However if the policy goes through - shit hits fan. No idle threats.
Unfortunately I am as subtle as a sledgehammer, so all I can do it pick my moments.

[avgas]

Tomorrow, or Wednesday. Minister gets a preview today.
Do they have justification of their proposed income? As information like that I could find useful.
Am pulling apart their Financial reports later this week.

[Ixion]

I do hope that calm prevails, and no irresponsible hothead puts out a press release saying something like



Minister put on notice

Angry motorcyclists have, so far, allowed those with faith in the peaceful democratic process to direct the campaign against unjust and extortionate ACC levies. Disruptive action has been cancelled where it might have inconvenienced the public.

But today's ACC announcement shows that the peaceful way isn't working. ACC have completely ignored justice and democratic input. Unless the Minister can front up with commitments to change, motorcyclists will have to assume that peaceful protest is going nowhere, and take direct action as they deem appropriate.


That would be really bad.

[MSTRS]

Oh, terrible, all right. A version of it may be incorporated in a letter to the ed in HB. If someone was irresponsible enough...

[James Deuce]

I couldn't imagine who would post anything like that in a blog.

[AllanB]

I'm going to grab my fountain pen and write Nick another stern letter...

By geese I may use some firm language.


I believe February is when the Govt makes it's decision.

It may soon be time to ramp up the protests - maybe form a ring around the Beehive and smoke the buggers out with a group burnout. Put them all to sleep and take away their honey.


I still predict a modest increase.

[Winston001]

I'm shocked and flabbergasted that anyone would propose direct action. :whistle: Our world is a dangerous place......:eek5:

[748south]

I agree, there's no place in this for a renegade, we're all part of a group and if someone upsets that then it reflects badly on us all.

My concern is that
1) the logic behind the proposed increse is wrong and misleading
2) ACC was set up to have a NO FAULT POLICY - this proposal changes that
3) Proposed increases to us but not every other sport/past time is unjust
4) Why rape us more when we actually pay an acc levy, we are actually the
good guys here, Rugby, Soccer, Netball, Cyclists pay nothing for enjoying their sport with the exception of a minimal amount within their subs
5) Why is the media not jumping on this more and asking these question?

Well lets all wait and see what comes out in the press release, the reality id we could all just rego our bikes for a day whenever we want to ride and send their processing costs sky high!

mutter, mutter, mutter

[Nasty]

It gives us an excellent attack on Mr Smith

He, the Minister is charge has repeatedly assured us "I don't expect the final levies will be as high as the proposals".

Now, Mr Judge has told him to go suck a kumara. "I'm running ACC , not you Nick. And I, John Judge, hate motorcycles. The levy the whole levy and nothing but the levy".

So, our question is, has Mr Smith lost control of his portfolio.

John Judge seems to ignore him with impunity (even turning ACC into an insurance company, when the Act specifically says it is not)

So, Mr Smith - is John Judge a loose cannon who needs taking in hand ? Or have you lost control of your portfolio?

Remember that John Judge is the Chair of the Board for ACC ... and not the CEO ... the chair gets information from the CEO and the business in order to act on it ...

The CEO is Jan White - who used to head up Waikato DHB

[MSTRS]

I do hope that this does(n't) get printed...what an awful thing that would be.

Dear sir,

John Key was heard to say on TV One’s Breakfast program this morning 30/11) that, and I quote, “Bikies are going up and down the street rioting”. Oh really? Who can truthfully say they’ve witnessed such a thing? Protest rallies have been, and are being, held all over the country. Plus the big one in Wellington 17/11. Not a single instance of trouble or violence has occurred at any of these events. At best this is simply another lame attempt by the govt to paint motorcyclists in a bad light. At worst, it is a lie. One more in a long list on the subject.

Angry motorcyclists have, so far, allowed those with faith in the peaceful democratic process to direct the campaign against unjust and extortionate ACC levies. Disruptive action has been planned by some, but then cancelled because the majority do not condone such tactics.

But, with utterances like John Keys above, and with today's ACC announcement that levy proposals remain unchanged, it shows that the peaceful way isn't working. ACC have completely ignored all argument against their shonky statistics. Unless the Minister can front up with commitments to not target sub-groups like motorcyclists, it will be assumed that peaceful protest is going nowhere, and more vigorous action is a real possibility.

Why would that happen?

Frustration. We have proved that every single figure announced by ACC or Govt is wrong, but they are not listening. The media has repeatedly failed to report even one counter figure we have produced. There is almost nothing reported on the rest of ACC’s proposals, and because motorcyclists have done their homework, we know that…

You Are Next.

[ckai]

Remember that John Judge is the Chair of the Board for ACC ... and not the CEO ... the chair gets information from the CEO and the business in order to act on it ...

The CEO is Jan White - who used to head up Waikato DHB

Holy shit you're kidding! we used to do "business" with Jan until only recently when we found out she had left. We didn't know when (well I didn't). Her as CEO is not a good thing at all.

Wow, she's really moved up in the world.

[mashman]

Nice... maybe "You ARE Next"

[NighthawkNZ]

I'm shocked and flabbergasted that anyone would propose direct action. :whistle: Our world is a dangerous place......:eek5:


lets do it any way...



errr what are we talking about?

[FastBikeGear]

Well lets all wait and see what comes out in the press release, the reality id we could all just rego our bikes for a day whenever we want to ride and send their processing costs sky high!

Please explain how you can do this?

[MSTRS]

Please explain how you can do this?

There is a special form for registering for a period less than 3 months. I doubt that one day is an option, however.

[ManDownUnder]

May I suggest we all prepay as much registration as we can then - while the ACC component is low?

[MSTRS]

May I suggest we all prepay as much registration as we can then - while the ACC component is low?

It is due to rise on 1 July 2010. You will only gain (much) if you arrange a renewal in June.

[k2w3]

Either we buy as much as we can in advance of the chgs or we put them on hold and pay nothing. Can't be both (unless we buy up large then put on hold when that expires, but that feels like missing the boat somehow).

[Reckless]

Bloody hell they don't seem to give a shit that this will fire us all up before the meeting tonight. Seems to me ACC don't give a shit about Dickhead Smith!

Unless with all this talk of rioting (Jon Key) that they are setting us up the be the badies in all this! I'm one that would like stronger action, I think you guys should have ridden right to parliament. But I am also a little worried that we become a pawn in their game? Its a fine line. Its all about public education imho and we don't have the media presence to let everyone know we are fighting for their/our ACC scheme now, not so much our increased levies. Very tricky, especially with Jon Key and National being so strong in the polls!

[mashman]

Unless with all this talk of rioting (Jon Key) that they are setting us up!

Bloody hell they don't seem to give a shit that this will fire us all up before the meeting tonight. Seems to me ACC don't give a shit about Dickhead Smith!

Sorry, just a rejig of your post, but i think you're not far away! Tar one of us, tar us all, just like we do with them!

[k2w3]

Listening to interest.co.nz's frontman on the radio this morning, it's obvious he's pissed off with Key's lack of will to reform the tax system. Key is starting to look like a yes-man who is only focused on getting elected next time before attempting to rock the boat and make long-overdue changes. He looks lame at the moment.

[Mom]

I do hope that calm prevails, and no irresponsible hothead puts out a press release saying something like



That would be really bad.

I know how calm I am feeling right now. I expect I will let this calmness overwhelm me tonight.

[MSTRS]

Mom, you are a sea of matriarchal serenity. I wouldn't want to be Nick the Prick on the receiving end of a dose of Mom's tranquility.
PS Thursday is off for you, right?

[Bald Eagle]

I do hope that calm prevails, and no irresponsible hothead puts out a press release saying something like



That would be really bad.

I think I feel a press release coming on .. when can we see the actual ACC statement that they didn't realy mean to listen to the consultation and Nick can take a flying leap... wouldn't want to misqoute them now would I.

[mikeey01]

Ixion has the time come for a more direct approach yet?
The indicators are there for little change.
When are things going to be ramped up?

Doing little is not an option for the government. General anger, over the little change will eventually boil over.

[748south]

There is a special form for registering for a period less than 3 months. I doubt that one day is an option, however.

You can register a vehicle or a motorcycle for 1 day at a time.

[Usarka]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3111969/Bikers-ACC-levy-lift-pared-back


The cost for motorbikes bigger than 600cc would rise from $430.54 to $739.32, but that is down on the $781.12 originally suggested by the ACC. It would fall to $659.26 once the law change was in place.

Woohoo we save $121.86 based on woman's boxing day sales logic :wari:

(that's a sarcastic banana in case any dumb arse politicians are reading - try sticking it up your arse)

[PrincessBandit]

The fight continues.

[Okey Dokey]

God, I am naive. I thought the Wellington protest was so well organised and attracted so many, and that our presentations have been articulate and reasoned on air and in the papers.

I really thought we would be listened to by the politicians. I thought we would get a major backdown on the increase.:bash: Rose coloured glasses off NOW!

[martybabe]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3111969/Bikers-ACC-levy-lift-pared-back


On and on it goes till the lies become the truth.

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