2009 XT TENERE, with pics

[Monstaman]

Had the privilege of having a ride on a new Tenere, interesting bike.

Suspension is better than the DR, bike is seriously tall tho.

Engine had a vibration at 4k which was enough to rattle the instruments and screen which was a put off.

Cool things were sacrificial tank protectors, beautiful seat and comfy ride, fully adj suspension, 23L factory tank and fuel injection with which the fuel mapping was magic.

Not so cool was the weight at 208kg wet (includes fuel), the engine vib and the huge muffler / toaster at the back and of course for me was the height.

My mate who owns the bike is getting the lowering kit, he has the Yamy panniers and is gonna put on bark busters and the usual crap we hang off our bikes.

Across the board with a few mods to suit me I would take the bike home in an instant, for touring and shingle roads it would put the DR to shame, for more offroad and some trails the DR would be better with its lighter weight and simplicity.

DR being aircooled gives me a better feeling too, a radiator fail in the boonies would stop your trip dead in its tracks.

[Monstaman]

Last close ups

[crazyhorse]

Interesting looking machine :yes:

[ducatijim]

What a whopper!:argh:

I just wonder where the 'growing' of the 650/660 dual purpose bike is headed?

I can tell 'them' that it is not within the realms of the average buyer to produce a 650 that will tour as well as do single track, all with finess and competence.

( now, wait for the ktm devotees to flame me!!:Oops:)

[JATZ]

Nah.... sorry.... the black ones look much better.
First impression when I saw pics here was "my god thats ugly" but seeing a couple up close now I could see myself on one(black of course).
Specs look pretty good (weight aside) and the height isn't an issue
16000 $ is though :yes:

[Waihou Thumper]

These seem to have taken off a bit on Aussie. The ADV site has a lot of Ockers buying them. I am still a bit iffy. Give me the old lines of the Tenere of the 80's anyday me thinks. :yes:
There sure is a lot of plastic on that thing....
23 litre tank isn't bad though, gives you a range or nearly 400-450Km I presume if ridden in first gear only? :)
For another $1000 or less even, the 690 Enduro would be the better bet, BUT, then again, small tank, small seat etc....
There isn't much out there really, KLR or DR.....
Spend $9000 on a DR, spend another $2000 getting it back road ready, aye Jamie...Then you have a nice workhorse. Use the other $5000 and some on gas, coffee and the pleasures os life...:woohoo:

[XF650]

Racing Dave's ride test in Kiwibiker is quite complementary too.
I love the look of the XT Tenere but my legs are just too short. Seat width doesn't help but great to see there is a lowering kit. The water pump still looks exposed, although I see factory crash bars & alloy bash plate are available.
Yami dealer told me last week that the new twin cylinder 1200cc (Super) Tenere is definitley going into production, so the interweb rumors must be true?

[Waihou Thumper]

Racing Dave's ride test in Kiwibiker is quite complementary too.
I love the look of the XT Tenere but my legs are just too short. Seat width doesn't help but great to see there is a lowering kit. The water pump still looks exposed, although I see factory crash bars & alloy bash plate are available.
Yami dealer told me last week that the new twin cylinder 1200cc (Super) Tenere is definitley going into production, so the interweb rumors must be true?

I thought it was going to be a TDM engine 900cc rather than a heavy 1200?

[dino3310]

im surprised they havent made a ADV bike based on the TDM.... fantastic donkey in it

[Waihou Thumper]

im surprised they havent made a ADV bike based on the TDM.... fantastic donkey in it


:) yes, I think the TDM 900 engine will be in the Super Tenere, not the 1200...Look at the ADV site, the Ockers know too...:)
Could be wrong though, of course it is all hype and bullshit at this stage till we see it in the flesh.....
There is a brochure out from Yamaha, so there is a Super coming, whether it is a 900 or a 1200 or just a heavier bike, topping the scales at 225Kg or something, it is coming! :eek5:

[dino3310]

fark knows why Suki stopped the Big, with modernising EFI and suspension etc she would be a most impressive machine, and lighter than the bigger donkeys out there now

[Waihou Thumper]

fark knows why Suki stopped the Big, with modernising EFI and suspension etc she would be a most impressive machine, and lighter than the bigger donkeys out there now

The GN250....:) It sold better...and a bigger market...:)

[Eddieb]

:) yes, I think the TDM 900 engine will be in the Super Tenere, not the 1200...Look at the ADV site, the Ockers know too...:)
Could be wrong though, of course it is all hype and bullshit at this stage till we see it in the flesh.....
There is a brochure out from Yamaha, so there is a Super coming, whether it is a 900 or a 1200 or just a heavier bike, topping the scales at 225Kg or something, it is coming! :eek5:


My bet is it will be a 1200cc whale aimed at the high disposable income fancy themselves as world adventurer types on their trip down the cafe, the 'Harley poser' end of the market to capitalise the name and capture some of the GS buying group.

Some serious users will by them and do proper trips, but not the sort of thing the original was used for.

Call me cynical but the manufacturers in the ADV niche seem to have taken the same pill as other groups, bigger is better. The next GS is a 1250, apparently the next KTM Adventure multi cylinder is a 1050.

Would be mega sweet if they did use the TDM motor, and Kawasaki did something using their new Parrallel twin.

[Waihou Thumper]

My bet is it will be a 1200cc whale aimed at the high disposable income fancy themselves as world adventurer types on their trip down the cafe, the 'Harley poser' end of the market to capitalise the name and capture some of the GS buying group.

Some serious users will by them and do proper trips, but not the sort of thing the original was used for.

Call me cynical but the manufacturers in the ADV niche seem to have taken the same pill as other groups, bigger is better. The next GS is a 1250, apparently the next KTM Adventure multi cylinder is a 1050.

Would be mega sweet if they did use the TDM motor, and Kawasaki did something using their new Parrallel twin.

Yep, you are right, I seem to think the same...
In that case, I am gonna get the 1090A KTM....It might be a whale, but it will out run those Harpoons..:)
I might be willing to spend a tad more on a Orange piece of blubber!

[ducatijim]

[QUOTE=XF650;1129543261]Racing Dave's ride test in Kiwibiker is quite complementary too.
QUOTE]

Wake up.......those twats are ALWAYS complimentary; they have to be in NZ as the 'field' is too small and if anyone dared to run down a test, well, they would be covering schoolboy netball 4 a free smalltown arsewipe - 'cause they and their cronies would never see another tester from any marque :Oops:

[YellowDog]

Great machines
(shame about the appearance)

[NordieBoy]

Apparently the next KTM Adventure multi cylinder is a 1050.

So going by KTM marketing it'll be 800cc?

[dino3310]

with the price of this new Tenere i would think they would have made it lighter

[Woodman]

Would be mega sweet if they did use the TDM motor, and Kawasaki did something using their new Parrallel twin.

Agree entirely, some sort of versys/klr hybrid, but I bet the combination of 2 cheap bikes ends up as a bloody expensive one.

Quite like the tenere but they are too dare and look a wee bit fragile to me.

[Padmei]

... and look a wee bit fragile to me.

I'm not saying anything - it'd be like shooting fish in a barrel :pinch:

[warewolf]

I just wonder where the 'growing' of the 650/660 dual purpose bike is headed?Why, "up" of course! :pinch:

It's not a new idea. Even the much-touted DR650 started as a 600 in basically its current form, so did the KLR, innit? The Tranny went 600-650-700 (and now more??). The Tenere 660 went to the SuperTen at 750, then TDM850, now 900, next stop 1200. Back a few more years and 500 was more common - and that was the big beastie, not a mid-capacity like we think now. Weight has climbed with the cc's, pretty much.

Unfortunately, adventure is a niche within the motorcycle niche. And adventure/trail is the poor cousin to adventure/road, in more ways than one. :crybaby: So in these increasingly competitive times, we are pretty much last in the pecking order, to the point of forgotten.

Interestingly, KTM have just released a 350SX-F (motocrosser, for those not up with the lingo). Ambitious stuff given there's no specific racing class for it, so it will be competing against the 450Fs. That's the only instance of downsizing I can think of.


im surprised they havent made a ADV bike based on the TDM.... fantastic donkey in itUh huh - but it is an adv bike, albeit a "soft roader" but so is a BMW GS?


My bet is it will be a 1200cc whale aimed at the high disposable income fancy themselves as world adventurer types on their trip down the cafe, the 'Harley poser' end of the market to capitalise the name and capture some of the GS buying group.My thoughts exactly - why I believe the 1200 rumours. Happy to be proved wrong, but then again I wouldn't add too many more kg for a 12 over a 9... even the 9 we'll consider over-weight.

I'd have one of those big beasties - KTM twin or Tiger triple or 'strom - but only as a road bike. They make better "real world" bikes (whatever that really is) than anything more focussed, especially in the bumpy isles. Reckon Triumph got it right with 17" sporty sized rubber on the Tigger. Plenty of ppl think like I do; witness the way the BMW GS is the biggest seller in Germany (it was for a long time), with virtually no dirt roads accessible. Lots of ppl I've spoken to with that class of bike freely admit they only do the gentlest of gravel roads, they never intended anything else nor flouted the bike / themselves as capable of more.


Call me cynical but the manufacturers in the ADV niche seem to have taken the same pill as other groups, bigger is better. The next GS is a 1250, apparently the next KTM Adventure multi cylinder is a 1050.It's just the way of the world. Bigger engines, less peaky, less emissions (probably only at test conditions though, which is enough to influence design).


So going by KTM marketing it'll be 800cc?Other way, the 1050 would be badged as an 1090.


Food for thought, eh?

[dino3310]

Uh huh - but it is an adv bike, albeit a "soft roader" but so is a BMW GS?


true mate, an adventure/road, i would love to see a more adventure/trail with that twin in it.

[Taz]

Suzuki could have done so much better than the DL650 V-strom IMO. That motor in a bike along the lines of the Terra Mostro would have been great.

[dino3310]

Suzuki could have done so much better than the DL650 V-strom IMO. .

yeah i reckon, they should have put the BIG back into production. :headbang:

"bring back BIG" :lol:

[JATZ]

yeah i reckon, they should have put the BIG back into production. :headbang:

"bring back BIG" :lol:

Yeah na.... holden stuffed it up with the monaro..... BMW with the new mini and prolly some more I can't think of just now.
Best to just leave the Big alone, you can't improve on perfection :whistle:

[Monstaman]

Interesting takes on what should happen.

I feel for guys like me the bikes are all getting too tall and they are not getting much lighter if at all.

For me having had the council build the ground close to my bum a simple lower seated lighter weight bike is perfect.

I think for all round a nicely suspended DR650 with its air cooled simplicity and (almost) bomb proof record you prolly can't go far wrong.

I may look at some good suspension options as I intend to keep this bike for long time, does anyone know options for the forks, i.e. replacement cartridges which allows adjustment etc, Nordie did you do anything with your shock in the end?

[NordieBoy]

Intiminators in the front with stock springs to start with.
Gold valve in rear with new spring.

I've got new springs front and rear, Intiminatored front and 10W oil in the back.

[Monstaman]

Intiminators in the front with stock springs to start with.
Gold valve in rear with new spring.

I've got new springs front and rear, Intiminatored front and 10W oil in the back.


I read somewhere that the intiminators get confused or something over multiple littte bumps?, so what exactly are the improvement made by the Int's or what function do they enhance?

With the shock does the new gold valve give better damping adjustment to the rebound?, mine like others probably on full rebound is still pretty washy and not strong enough.

Sorry for the questions but I can't find an answer with the forum search and quite frankly he who has done it has the best knowledge!

Intrigue me with techno stuff and useful info.:headbang:

[Number 5]

I thought it was going to be a TDM engine 900cc rather than a heavy 1200?
From the info on the CarpeTDM forum it is going to be a 1200, the TDM twin engine upgraded again (750 super Tenere, 850 and 900 TDM) to 1200.

Some have been seen in Italy, where it is under development, and pics posted on the forum.

[warewolf]

I read somewhere that the intiminators get confused or something over multiple littte bumps?, so what exactly are the improvement made by the Int's or what function do they enhance?Possibly my comment testing Nordie's bike, reported in his Newby thread or Nelson rides? It was that the most obvious place they didn't perform really well, was over a rapid sequence of bigger bumps. Most dramatic improvement is reducing fork dive under brakes, which leaves a lot more suspension travel (and compliance) for absorbing bumps.

[NordieBoy]

I read somewhere that the intiminators get confused or something over multiple littte bumps?, so what exactly are the improvement made by the Int's or what function do they enhance?
Confused as in it's the only place they arn't completely brilliant and are merely great.


With the shock does the new gold valve give better damping adjustment to the rebound?, mine like others probably on full rebound is still pretty washy and not strong enough.
Yep. And tunable (pull the shock apart stylee).

My rebound is OK but gets confused when going over rough ground fast (MX track stutters) for normal ADV riding it was well worth the money however.

[george formby]

What a whopper!:argh:

I just wonder where the 'growing' of the 650/660 dual purpose bike is headed?

I can tell 'them' that it is not within the realms of the average buyer to produce a 650 that will tour as well as do single track, all with finess and competence.

( now, wait for the ktm devotees to flame me!!:Oops:)

Their are whispers on other forums of a 1200 tenere......:shit:

Possibly a parallel twin.

[Monstaman]

Confused as in it's the only place they arn't completely brilliant and are merely great.

So ok it is still an improvement then which makes it worthwhile.




Yep. And tunable (pull the shock apart stylee).

My rebound is OK but gets confused when going over rough ground fast (MX track stutters) for normal ADV riding it was well worth the money however.

Hmmm, I am not into MXing nowadays, for me it is farm tracks, rough roads, shingle roads etc so again still heading in the right direction.

[NordieBoy]

So ok it is still an improvement then which makes it worthwhile.

Oh hell yes.

[Racing Dave]

[QUOTE=ducatijim;1129543589 Wake up.......those twats are ALWAYS complimentary; they have to be in NZ as the 'field' is too small and if anyone dared to run down a test, well, they would be covering schoolboy netball 4 a free smalltown arsewipe - 'cause they and their cronies would never see another tester from any marque :Oops:[/QUOTE]


Ah, so easy to snipe about someting you obviously know little or nothing about, but you are completely wrong on at least two counts.

Firstly, there is no editorial censorship from any supplier, all my thoughts are for the Editor's eyes only.

Secondly, I was complimentary because the Tenere is worthy of complimenting. Since the Kiwi Rider article, the bike in my care has had proper knobblies fitted, and some other convenience/protection parts added.

Last Friday I rode a very big day in South Canterbury/Mckenzie basin on a mix of seal, shingle, and paper roads, and it was all good stuff.

This Saturday, there's an adventure looming near Kaikoura, over 150km of previously unused access to adventure-type tracks, and the Tenere will be ridden to, on, and back from there for that outing. Another Kiwi Rider article will follow, and like the first one, it will be my honest opinions.

[Taz]

Another Kiwi Rider article will follow, and like the first one, it will be my honest opinions.

With subtle editing to keep the suppliers happy?? :Pokey:

[cooneyr]

Back to the topic of this article - the new Tenere. I agree that it is bloody heavy in that the KTM 950 A is 200ish dry (guessing 230 wet) and is by far the longest/highest bike I've had anything to do with. How is a more compact single cylinder even close in weight?

After riding a XTZ750 Super Ten for a bit and now the KTM 950 I'm a twin convert for general adv/trail riding but the weight (or should that be momentum) is always the problem in that stopping/cornering it is the hard part. I recon a 600-800 twin in a well suspended light weight chassis, ability to bolt on pannier racks, with 300-400km range, good protection and minimal plastic is probably a very saleable bike. It is obviously something that people are interested in - Terra Mostro and Webber Rally Twin (http://www.rallytwin.com/) are both speicals that are exactly along this vein. I recon the the large manufactures should pay attention!

The Webber Rally Twin is basically a KTM 640 ish frame, fairing and suspenders with a Kawa EX500 twin in it. I've been following a thread over on Advrider where a guy is working on (not even close to it yet) putting a Kawa 650 twin (ER6) motor in a KTM 640 Adv.

I'd like to have ago at putting the ER6 motor in a KLX650, XR650R or KTM640 (E or A) frame one day......

Cheers R

[ducatijim]

Ah, so easy to snipe about someting you obviously know little or nothing about, .

Ha fuckn haa!!!, onya Dave.

You buggers should oughtta read ur own magazines sometimes, you all sound the same;

........like payrolled, factory PR crew!

But I do understand the need for youall to keep ya jobs!:Offtopic:

[Taz]

Webber - $68,000US = Bet it ain't that good.

[ducatijim]

Back to the topic of this article - the new Tenere. I agree that it is bloody heavy in that the KTM 950 A is 200ish dry (guessing 230 wet)

Yeah, I wonder how hard the folk at Yammie had to work to manage that piece of genius?

That was the gist of an earlier post of mine; ie, just where are the 650ish adv bikes headed-I don't see "why, up of course"- unless you mean weight Wolfie? The current(?) crop of 650ish motors are well long in the tooth and owe the factorys nought. Why then, for such a small market would they try and revamp them into a new engine size? When far more practical and cheap changes would produce a vastly better bike?( I mean lighter frames, lighter and bigger tanks, quality adjustable suspenders each end, good seats and ergos, better gearing......).

Can't see any of that in Yammies attempt myself, oh yes, there is a good sized tank thou:Punk:

[Waihou Thumper]

Webber - $68,000US = Bet it ain't that good.


I went to have a look at the web site, nearly fell of my perch when I saw the price.....That is ridiculous....I would sooner fly over the Europe and buy 2 or 3 690 Rallyes, fully kitted...ship them home and still have enough cash left to fill them with 45 litres of gas..:)
15 thou Euro will get you a nice KTM, Dakar Spec bike, all set to go...Only one owner....:shit: Never Raced rallied or rolled either...:laugh:

[The Duck 01]

Ha fuckn haa!!!, onya Dave.

You buggers should oughtta read ur own magazines sometimes, you all sound the same;

........like payrolled, factory PR crew!

But I do understand the need for youall to keep ya jobs!:Offtopic:

Well from my angle. Racing Dave is the only writer on the Kiwi Rider out fit worth reading.

I don't buy the mag any more but if happen to bump into one on a stand i flick through it.

And he has over the years been consitent in his comments good or bad.

And yes as a mag it must be hard to walk the line....... and talk the talk.

Unlike many punters on this forum who are so knowledgable about so much stuff it's just incredable. Or is it just the internet age.

Alot of the staff and writers have been around alooonng time and are the fore fathers of the Adventure Riding in NZ .

The days well before the tar trucks had been invented and country roads and paper roads were aplenty, Sadly this new crop of riders are missing the point about bikes and roads.

[Taz]

Sadly this new crop of riders are missing the point about bikes and roads.

Huh? .

[warewolf]

That was the gist of an earlier post of mine; ie, just where are the 650ish adv bikes headed-I don't see "why, up of course"- unless you mean weight Wolfie?Weight, cubes & seat heights :sunny:

Which explains the revamp upwards. Their market research no doubt tells them ppl want more cubes. USA is the biggest market, and as a nation (and a gross generalisation) are seriously infatuated with size. Where do you think most of the market research is done & targeting? So they won't be re-using that 650... yesterday's engine, today's is bigger.

I dunno where the chassis weight is coming from. Internal reciprocating weights are down, the whole engine is usually lighter, and the chassis & cycle parts are cheesy (speak to someone who deals with crashed bikes)... maybe they are made from cheap, dense metals - certainly not strong alloys, that's for sure.

Adventure bikes traditionally have been poor sellers. Will that change, considering the way more and more km of roads are being paved? The m/c industry is becoming more specialised, which is anathema to the all-rounder / versatile / multi-purpose bike we call "adventure".

[cooneyr]

Webber - $68,000US = Bet it ain't that good.

Umm yer - didn't mention that bit but that is the biggest problem. Guessing the Terra Mostro is not cheap either. Still they are both effectively one of builds and that cost would be significantly diminished with mass production.

Cheers R

[Taz]

Probably wouldn't be as good as a F800GS anyway.

[ducatijim]

[QUOTE=warewolf;1129548639]Weight, cubes & seat heights :sunny:

Which explains the revamp upwards. Their market research no doubt tells them ppl want more cubes. QUOTE]

Sorry Wolfie, I can't get it-you see, there are plenty of very talented bikes already out there with more of all there atributes, so why fuck-up the 650 class? Why not either improve it( huge cost) or leave it untouched( destined to die)?
Those who crave a 940mm seat can buy a 990s, if you desire a whale, buy the fab new Yammie 10RA, or cubes? well, knock yaself out.

[clint640]

This Saturday, there's an adventure looming near Kaikoura, over 150km of previously unused access to adventure-type tracks, and the Tenere will be ridden to, on, and back from there for that outing. Another Kiwi Rider article will follow, and like the first one, it will be my honest opinions.

It's academic to me, as for the riding I do there are better bikes & I own one of em already, I know it's a bit harsh to judge a bike solely on it's spec sheet but I've helped pick up enough F650 BMW's to know what 200kg feels like & I know it ain't for me... But, I'd be interested in your opinion on whether the Tenere is in fact worth the somewhere between $5500 & $3200 more than the XT660R?

...& anybody complaining that big single adv bike technology is going nowhere but fatter & less dirt worthy should just go out & buy a new KTM690E, slap on a safari tank & a wee windscreen & you've got more power, more range & better suspension than any single cyl adv bike ever made, all for less than the cost of a Tenere & about 50kg lighter :done:

Cheers
Clint

[Monstaman]

...& anybody complaining that big single adv bike technology is going nowhere but fatter & less dirt worthy should just go out & buy a new KTM690E, slap on a safari tank & a wee windscreen & you've got more power, more range & better suspension than any single cyl adv bike ever made, all for less than the cost of a Tenere & about 50kg lighter :done:

Cheers
Clint

Agree with this, quite a machine and I would love one for sure.

Need to sell some of the others in the shed prior to that tho. ... anyone wonna buy a Black Ducati Hypermotard S to I can by a 690??

[Racing Dave]

about 50kg lighter

Have you actually weighed it, or merely judged it from the spec sheet? "My" Tenere was measured at 187 kg, with about 8 litres of fuel on board. Use your bathroom scales, one wheel at a time, with the non-weighing wheel blocked up to the same height, so the bike's level. Let me know the answer.

Either way, I'll report back on Kaikoura next week.

Last Friday's outing in South Canterbury/Mckenzie was 12 hours and 700 km on mixed terrain, but mainly shingle and seal, and was a pleasure. 22km/litre.

[tri boy]

Will be very interested in your views Dave. Give it a good work out/thrashing, and even slam it to the ground for us. i want to know how they stand up to muppets like me dropping them in wheel tracks etc.
Also interested in the fuelling side of them, as I am a neanderthal that doesn't trust injection.
Cheers.

[thepom]

The good thing about dave and I value his opinion highly is that he does the miles .....and miles......and miles to give you that opinion of the machine he is on and does not need the magazine job to supplement his wage so I think it is a pretty unbiased opinion......:done:

[drbandit]

Yeah interesting.. Honda XLV700 Specs on net =dry weight 214kg..
Other sites give Kerb weight =214kg? (must include fluids??)
Whatever heavy is heavy.. A DR650 at 150kg is still ... HEAVY..to pick up..

[clint640]

Have you actually weighed it, or merely judged it from the spec sheet? .

Interesting that the Tenere came in 10kg LIGHTER than the spec! That'd have to be a first wouldn't it?

To tell the truth I haven't weighed ithe 640, but I can get access to some calibrated industrial scales to weigh the whole thing at once so I'll give it a go. I seem to remember Warewolf weighed his 640 Adv & it came out pretty much the same as the spec so I'm guessing my 640 Enduro won't be far off either - KTM list wet without fuel weights.

[trustme]

...& anybody complaining that big single adv bike technology is going nowhere but fatter & less dirt worthy should just go out & buy a new KTM690E, slap on a safari tank & a wee windscreen & you've got more power, more range & better suspension than any single cyl adv bike ever made, all for less than the cost of a Tenere & about 50kg lighter :done:

Cheers
Clint

I'm reading all this with interest as both bikes are on my short list, They both seem to retail for similar dollars & I suspect they will both need similar dollars thrown at them , the safari tank for the KTM will be the thick end of $1000, money that you may well have to spend on the Yams suspension. Yam seems slightly more road /touring/ long distance focussed. KTM is more performance focused but long term reliability makes me nervous.Swings & round abouts
Decisions,decisions.

[warewolf]

...& anybody complaining that big single adv bike technology is going nowhere but fatter & less dirt worthy should just go out & buy a new KTM690EThose Euros never did follow the rules! :no: I think of it as a big dirt bike, rather than an adventure bike.


Warewolf weighed his 640 Adv & it came out pretty much the same as the spec so I'm guessing my 640 Enduro won't be far off either - KTM list wet without fuel weights.Yes, came in exactly on the spec at 158kg half-dry. Your 640E felt noticeably lighter (spec is 12-ish kg less) and the 690E lighter again... with more grunt... and better suspension... and... and... and...

[Racing Dave]

...and even slam it to the ground for us. i want to know how they stand up to muppets like me dropping them in wheel tracks etc.
Also interested in the fuelling side of them, as I am a neanderthal that doesn't trust injection.
Cheers.

Hopefully, I won't report on its ability to slam into the ground, but I have fitted hand guards in case. There is wet clay where we're going...

The injection on XT's up to 2008 had an annoying slight surge when ridden at constant, and very small, throttle openings, such as when commuting, but the 2009 XT660R and the Tenere (both of which I've ridden many miles, on and off road) are smooth and crisp at all revs and throttle openings.

If the fuel and air filters are kept clean, I can't think of any reason they'd be less reliable, or more maintenance intensive, than a similar road bike, and they seem perfectly satisfactory.

I own two injected bikes (BMW and Montesa) and have had no issues with either.

Cheers,
Dave B

[ducatijim]

The good thing about dave and I value his opinion highly is that he does the miles .....and miles......and miles to give you that opinion of the machine he is on and does not need the magazine job to supplement his wage so I think it is a pretty unbiased opinion......:done:

Thats all nice and good! However, the magazine will not want its 'suppliers' upset so there will be a 'company line' that will be followed.
And remember also, these guys, scribes and company CEO's, all know each other well, NZ is a very small m/c community-they all ride together on occasions, do 'releases together and prolly go to each others BBQ's....so there is a degree of 'mateship' between the them all I am sure.
And the Kiwi way; don't diss a mate!

Call me a cynic, others have.:doh:

[ducatijim]

[QUOTE=clint640;1129551174]Interesting that the Tenere came in 10kg LIGHTER than the spec! That'd have to be a first wouldn't it?
QUOTE]

+1..............

[trustme]

Thats all nice and good! However, the magazine will not want its 'suppliers' upset so there will be a 'company line' that will be followed.
And remember also, these guys, scribes and company CEO's, all know each other well, NZ is a very small m/c community-they all ride together on occasions, do 'releases together and prolly go to each others BBQ's....so there is a degree of 'mateship' between the them all I am sure.
And the Kiwi way; don't diss a mate!

Call me a cynic, others have.:doh:

Totally off topic but , I am bloody sure the mags don't talk to each other.I am aware of 1 importer who only wanted to pay for 1 journo to go on an overseas junket & he could write for both mags. His kind offer was politely declined. There aren't too many dunger bikes out there these days, the reviews reflect the quality of whats on offer & yes, the serious faults do get pointed out.The mags don't set out to bag bikes but to tell you what a bikes strong points are & what they are good at.

[twisty]

I think these look way cool but apart from that I just couldn't imagine why you would pay $16k? In this class I would buy a KLR for more road use or the DR or even some Euro bike for more dirt use.

[Woodman]

I think these look way cool but apart from that I just couldn't imagine why you would pay $16k? In this class I would buy a KLR for more road use or the DR or even some Euro bike for more dirt use.

:Offtopic:so would you rather have a klr or a dr???? Wonder if this has been asked before? :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[twisty]

Probably the DR just because of the weight. I reckon you could go on almost all adventure rides in NZ on the DR but some you likely would enjoy more on the KLR.

[Box'a'bits]

Probably the DR just because of the weight. I reckon you could go on almost all adventure rides in NZ on the DR but some you likely would enjoy more on the KLR.
Until 3rd gear shits itself, or they decide they need to surgically remove the seat from your arse...:soon::bleh::bleh::bleh::shake::rofl::rofl:

[ducatijim]

The mags don't set out to bag bikes but to tell you what a bikes strong points are & what they are good at.

Well said sir, and a point that does not escape me also.

It would be nice, in my opinion anyways, to have reviewers who have the gonads to sum up the 10ra( and other deserving examples too) along these lines;

In conclusion, Yamaha have done a nice job in revisiting their iconic Tenere with this new incarnation, note nice not wonderful. For the most part, those who will favor sealed and easy gravel roads will not find the weight or limited suspension adjustment a hinderance, but for the serious adventure rider, who may well be loaded with his(her) home and food on an extended trip, and those who wish to take a passanger to share their adventures with, it will be another story.
There can be no denying that this new bike should shed 30-40kgs, it is simply heavier than need be and that cannot be any advantage. The suspension, without any adjustment bar preload, will severly hinder the loading capacity and speeds with which differant terrains can be negotiated, come-on Yamaha, this is the 21st century, that sort of suspension was barely acceptable 35 years ago, it simply has no place in this age, especially when this bike does not come at a 'fire sale' price.
I give it 5.5 from 10.

This is from 'between the lines' of RD's review, artistic licence accepted.

[marks]

its interesting that weight is always regarded as bad

in my limited experience - when riding on the seal and smooth dirt/gravel etc - a heavier bike can be less tiring (less 'jiggly' and 'flighty') than a light bike.

The only time the weight of my klr becomes a problem is when I drop it or get it stuck - then its a major bitch and quickly tires me out - but for normal middle of the road adventure riding (which normally includes lots of road miles) I'm not sure that a 140kg klr would be better than a 180kg klr

that said - I'd be a happy camper if I could lower its center of gravity - as to me thats more of a problem than its out and out weight

[Pampera]

..... and even slam it to the ground for us. i want to know how they stand up to muppets like me dropping them in wheel tracks etc..
I don't think Racing Dave does this! However I think he should add it to his test plans (under controlled conditions of course), so as to take into account the wider interests of us less consistent riders. He owes it to his readers...............
Michael

[Eddieb]

its interesting that weight is always regarded as bad

in my limited experience - when riding on the seal and smooth dirt/gravel etc - a heavier bike can be less tiring (less 'jiggly' and 'flighty') than a light bike.

The only time the weight of my klr becomes a problem is when I drop it or get it stuck - then its a major bitch and quickly tires me out - but for normal middle of the road adventure riding (which normally includes lots of road miles) I'm not sure that a 140kg klr would be better than a 180kg klr

that said - I'd be a happy camper if I could lower its center of gravity - as to me thats more of a problem than its out and out weight

+1 The PD is so stable over most gravel it's great.

You need a GS Mark, heavier, so more stable <_< , fantastic low CoG and reall easy to pick up.

Next time we are out somewhere you should jump on it for a play.

[warewolf]

its interesting that weight is always regarded as bad

in my limited experience - when riding on the seal and smooth dirt/gravel etc - a heavier bike can be less tiring (less 'jiggly' and 'flighty') than a light bike.Excessive weight is bad.

I understand your point - and you are right on the money - for steady-state conditions. As soon as you want to stop/go/turn, the weight works against you. To some extent, 'jiggly and flighty' is a function of chassis/suspension settings - lighter bikes tend to be performance-oriented, and thus likely to have firmer suspension.

I tend to avoid steady-state riding like the plague!! My bike choices are sub-optimal for such carry-on.

[twisty]

I don't think weight is always bad. Riding a DR400 in the wind is no pretty picture, that's why I'm happy I have the Africa. If I could only have one 1 bike a DR 650 seems a good compromise with the KLR following very close behind. For a similar bike I find it hard to understand the Tenere's price tag. For a few more bucks I would be tempted into a BMW GS800

[Padmei]

Browsing thru a kiwi bike rider mag & the journo very kindly spilled of the ten for the cameras. It's a good sequence but I'd like to see what damage it did.

Have to agree with the points about having the low COG. Eddies bike was soooo much easier to turn around than the KLR.

[Woodman]

at the end of the day you are not gonna get an "adventure" bike that is light, yes some are lighter than others but all still pretty heavy really.

[pete376403]

I wonder what benefit spending $6K (the diff between KLR and Tenere) on suspension and lightweight stuff would bring to the KLR? Eg replacing the standard muffler with a nice spendy titanium one removes around 8 -9Kgs.
Aluminium subframe? Plastic tank? etc You could do a lot without touching the motor.

[Taz]

at the end of the day you are not gonna get an "adventure" bike that is light, yes some are lighter than others but all still pretty heavy really.

I don't believe that for a moment. Here are several.

http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv282/advkiwi/P1020819.jpg

[marks]

I don't think weight is always bad. Riding a DR400 in the wind is no pretty picture, that's why I'm happy I have the Africa. If I could only have one 1 bike a DR 650 seems a good compromise with the KLR following very close behind. For a similar bike I find it hard to understand the Tenere's price tag. For a few more bucks I would be tempted into a BMW GS800

Agreed
there seems to be some 'commonly accepted' dividing line there somewhere

on one side are enduro and trail bikes like your drz400's etc

right on the crossover line are your LC4's and blandmobiles(DR650's), husky 610's ,xchallenges etc

on the other side are your KLR's and Dakars and GS's etc etc.


I don't believe that for a moment. Here are several.

where?

I only see trail/enduro bikes being used as short distance adventure bikes.

To me - on road comfort/enjoyment in a wide range of weather conditions is an essential part of a true adventure bike.

Last weekend I did a typical adventure ride - 450km over 12 hours of which maybe 100-150 was unsealed. I enjoyed 90% of the road miles and it was an important part of the ride.

I wouldn't enjoy riding a trail/enduro bike that sort of distance (although I know plenty who do - they're all masochists) .

maybe I'm just a softy :baby:

[Waihou Thumper]

where?

I only see trail/enduro bikes being used as short distance adventure bikes.

To me - on road comfort/enjoyment in a wide range of weather conditions is an essential part of a true adventure bike.

Last weekend I did a typical adventure ride - 450km over 12 hours of which maybe 100-150 was unsealed. I enjoyed 90% of the road miles and it was an important part of the ride.

I wouldn't enjoy riding a trail/enduro bike that sort of distance (although I know plenty who do - they're all masochists) .

maybe I'm just a softy :baby:

I don't class 380km range as a short distance adventure bike...
That is what the Husaberg is capable of. I loaded it up and it was more than capable as an adventure bike. :clap:

[marks]

I don't class 380km range as a short distance adventure bike...
That is what the Husaberg is capable of. I loaded it up and it was more than capable as an adventure bike. :clap:

your bum is clearly tougher than my bum :baby:

I simply wouldnt enjoy that many km in one day on a plank of wood being blown all over the place by every gust of wind.

spose it all comes down to what gives you your jollies :yes:

would you rather do 380km on the burg or the big?

[Waihou Thumper]

your bum is clearly tougher than my bum :baby:

I simply wouldnt enjoy that many km in one day on a plank of wood being blown all over the place by every gust of wind.

spose it all comes down to what gives you your jollies :yes:

would you rather do 380km on the burg or the big?

Again it depends on the terrain. If I was mixing it up with trails and rougher stuff, the Burg obviously. For the sort of riding I will be doing in the South, which I class as touring on metal roads, the Big will be perfect.
I never found wind or the elements or comfort a real issue. It does depend on what you are used to I guess...:niceone:

[marks]

I never found wind or the elements or comfort a real issue. It does depend on what you are used to I guess...:niceone:

there is no question - comfort is important to me (hence a klr and not a DR) - the older I get the more important comfort becomes (tents are for peasants)

to each their own

[Woodman]

Standard old argument really, I think each and every one of us has a different definition of adventure riding, some of us have the correct bikes for what we need and some don't but can adjust their riding to suit. Personally I shoulda got a xr or something more traily cos I don't do many road miles, but occaisionally I do and I think that the klr is perfect (for me) in the fact that you can switch from one to the other without having to do anything at all.
I don't actually think there is a bad adv bike out there really.

[dino3310]

gotta agree with woodman, at the moment the XR suits me down to a tee, or though the big will do the job aswell the XRs a lot less work in the rough stuff for my tired arse :sweatdrop , plus when i drop the XR i dont cry like a bitch:crybaby: :lol:

[tri boy]

, plus when i drop the XR i dont cry like a bitch:crybaby: :lol:
You ride a bush pig now. Learn to squeal lil piggy.
Weeeeeeeee, weeeeee, weeeeeee.................................

[Racing Dave]

Another big day - 13 hours door to door, but worth every minute. Nine bikes attended, and all survived. We rode 150 km of perfect adventure terrain. Not trail riding, but in dry weather, which we had, it's all suitable for big bikes. The scenery is utterly stunning - some of the absolute best anywhere. Hills to 1200m, lots of river crossings, good condition clay tracks.

You will be pleased (?) to know that the Tenere's crashability has yet to be tested, and it coped very well. Fuelled up in Culverden on the way north (via Inland Rd) and rode to the tracks, spent 7 hours exploring, and rode 200km home, and have yet to add more fuel.

The suspension, full pre-load on the front, one back from full on the rear, is plush and soaked up all the rocks and ruts, yet never bottomed on bigger hits.

With bar risers and cleated footpegs (YZ85) it's OK to stand all day.

Yes, the weight is felt, and it's no worse than other similar bikes, but in the conditions, and in the company of bikes from CRF230 to F800GS there was little to fault.

[Padmei]

Looksa good dave. What was the event - organised or bunch of mates outing?

[NordieBoy]

Proof that Tenere riders will resort to anything...

Helium in the front tyre. Whatever next...

[Racing Dave]

Helium in the front tyre. Whatever next...

Light weight, plenty of power...

The venue is the Clarence Reserve, managed by our friends at DoC. It runs from the Inland Kaikoura Road to the Clarence River, starting at the bridge over the Kahutara River.

After vehicles being excluded for several years, they are having a number of "open weekends" over this summer, as a trial. We (friends of mine) swooped in on the first one, in case they change their minds.

There are to be three more - the first weekends in Feb, Mar, and April. Their website has all the details, but it's not particularly easy to find them. Type 4WD Clarence Reserve into the search function, and follow the leads.

[Crisis management]

My previous comments on the Tenere have been; too fat, under powered and expensive (I also thought it looked a bit tubby in the photos) and now that I have conducted an unbiased and extensive look at one I have the following to pass on:
There was one on the Far North Adventure Ride this weekend which really was an opportunity for everyone with a road legal trail bike to drag it out and ride around a great selection of farm trails, now I didn't see it in action but it was running more road biased tyres which would have made life difficult. Anywho, my extensive research brings about a revised opinion, it doesn't look fat, actually it looks like a bike I would enjoy using, seat height and general slimness seem appealing but I was disapointed at the general look of cheapness about the running gear.
I have no idea how good the suspension is but the conventional and slender looking front end did not thrill me, the lack of protection for bar ends and engine components concerned me and the extensive plastic panels seemed overly decorative and I wonder how well they will withstand lying down. The weight, I understand, is nearer 150kgs than 200 so thats good news but when you put it beside a KTM 690 (about the same $ value) I don't see any great advantages in the Tenere other than a more comfortable seat.

My revised opinion, Knock $4k off the price and it's a good buy.


PS, what's with the huge tow hook on the front, expecting breakdowns are we???

[Racing Dave]

...the lack of protection for bar ends and engine components concerned me...

...these are available.

Cheers,
Dave B

[dino3310]

...these are available.

Cheers,
Dave B

at what cost after the 15k

[Crisis management]

...these are available.

Cheers,
Dave B

I meant as part of the purchase price, not as extras requiring further expenditure.....

I will confess tho, that one of the 690s' on the weekend managed to mangle a clutch lever so the KTM bar end protection is a bit light as well.

[Padmei]

PS, what's with the huge tow hook on the front, expecting breakdowns are we???

Would have to ditch the hook - It's just sitting there as the source of mockery.

Pity you got a black one Dave - they're the ones for hanging out at biker bars, the blue ones are for riding:chase:

[marks]

...these are available.

Cheers,
Dave B

Dave
I'm assuming that you've ridden both

would you rather adv ride the Tenere or an F 650 GS? - which is only $1400 dearer ( and probably a fairer comparison than a 690E)

[Crisis management]

Tenere or an F 650 GS? - which is only $1400 dearer ( and probably a fairer comparison than a 690E)

Fair point Mark, I thought the Tenere was nearer $18k.

I would have thought the Tenere would win that comparison hands down.









It should still be cheaper!!!! :bash:

[Racing Dave]

[QUOTE=Padmei;1129555047]
Pity you got a black one Dave - they're the ones for hanging out at biker bars, the blue ones are for riding QUOTE]

When I rode the Tenere down from Auckland it was blue, now it's black, and it's the same bike. To make a sale, the relevant coloured parts were swapped over, as it seems there's a shortage of blue ones.

F650GS? Not for adventure riding, although I like it a lot, but the cast wheels, 19-inch on the front, and shorter travel suspension limit its appeal. Great on gravel, but not more than that.

F800GS? Now that's the question that's hard to answer. It's well over a year since I rode one, and that was only on its standard tyres, which like all of that type are useless off-road. There was one in our group at Kaikoura, and the rider completed all the tracks without undue problems. A well worn TKC80 at high pressure on the rear didn't help, but They're a very capable bike. The twin cylinder engine has a very broad useable rev range, and six gears are nice.

I'd need to ride them both over the same terrain to decide. Like the Yamaha, the BMW needs various protective parts added, and they are at BMW prices.

[dino3310]

Fair point Mark, I thought the Tenere was nearer $18k.

It should still be cheaper!!!! :bash:

add the factory panniers and all the protecta stuff it would be creeping up there.

[Waihou Thumper]

Would have to ditch the hook - It's just sitting there as the source of mockery.

Pity you got a black one Dave - they're the ones for hanging out at biker bars, the blue ones are for riding:chase:

They list it as a Tie Down point instead of using the handlebars like the rest of. Trying to be unique I guess? I still think it is a tow hitch for other Yammies and big tanks in the mud...:yes:
If it is, that's a good idea, but why didn't R&D spend a bit more money and fit a 2 tonne winch there with a PTO, that'll work and I am sure there is room....:)

[Waihou Thumper]

[QUOTE=Padmei;1129555047]
Pity you got a black one Dave - they're the ones for hanging out at biker bars, the blue ones are for riding QUOTE]

When I rode the Tenere down from Auckland it was blue, now it's black, and it's the same bike. To make a sale, the relevant coloured parts were swapped over, as it seems there's a shortage of blue ones.

F650GS? Not for adventure riding, although I like it a lot, but the cast wheels, 19-inch on the front, and shorter travel suspension limit its appeal. Great on gravel, but not more than that.

F800GS? Now that's the question that's hard to answer. It's well over a year since I rode one, and that was only on its standard tyres, which like all of that type are useless off-road. There was one in our group at Kaikoura, and the rider completed all the tracks without undue problems. A well worn TKC80 at high pressure on the rear didn't help, but They're a very capable bike. The twin cylinder engine has a very broad useable rev range, and six gears are nice.

I'd need to ride them both over the same terrain to decide. Like the Yamaha, the BMW needs various protective parts added, and they are at BMW prices.

The slide out of the corner looks great! I always wish someone could catch my bike doing that...:) Don't have to be on it, I can just boast it was me...Can't see my face anyway...:)
It looks not too bad...:eek5:

[Monstaman]

add the factory panniers and all the protecta stuff it would be creeping up there.

And none of it is cheap either, nice getting the right stuff but it is spendie to look coordinated and cool, plenty of other gear that would be better for less.

NZKTM, tow hook is removable with 4 bolts, I pissed myself when I saw it too and made losta snied remarks about needing to be towed :niceone:

[talbertnz]

Have a look at this http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/yamaha_xt_600_tenere_1987.php 177kg 46horsies 23l tank.

:dodge:

[Waihou Thumper]

Have a look at this http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/yamaha_xt_600_tenere_1987.php 177kg 46horsies 23l tank.

:dodge:

It hasn't changed much over the years?
:clap: This means it is a winning formula surely? Still prefer the old though. :)

[Ally67]

Looks just like mine minus the dents
Always wanted one , got one, keeping it.

[Waihou Thumper]

Looks just like mine minus the dents
Always wanted one , got one, keeping it.

Wish I had one....Sure is a sweetie! :)

[NordieBoy]

Have a look at this http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/yamaha_xt_600_tenere_1987.php 177kg 46horsies 23l tank.

:dodge:

46 very optimistic crank horsies :D

[Waihou Thumper]

46 very optimistic crank horsies :D

More like 38-40? Maybe? :rolleyes:

[warewolf]

That site is notoriously incorrect. See the pic for the 2009 KLR 650.

[Monstaman]

46 very optimistic crank horsies :D

... maybe that is how Rossi got his number :doctor:

[Waihou Thumper]

... maybe that is how Rossi got his number :doctor:

Fuk....Yes, He better call the doctor if he only has 46 Horsies...
I would be calling the Vet for a gun! :clap:

[dino3310]

More like 38-40? Maybe? :rolleyes:
At the crank.....
Max power 40 hp @ 6000 rpm
Max Torque 4.5 kg-m @ 5750 rpm

[JATZ]

Who cares how many horsies it has :argue: It's still a fun bike to ride and does everything asked of it.
Falls over o.k. too, just ask MrsJatz :p

[Waihou Thumper]

Who cares how many horsies it has :argue: It's still a fun bike to ride and does everything asked of it.
Falls over o.k. too, just ask MrsJatz :p

The DR 600S is same of the same old vintage....
Watching footage of the 1979 Dakar gave me new found respectability for these machines....
:)
rquTzdYJVHA

[dino3310]

i dont care about the horseys either, just listing a fact.... i reckon for a bike of that era it has a shit load of horseys, a lot faster than my old DR500:headbang:

[dino3310]

The DR 600S is same of the same old vintage....
Watching footage of the 1979 Dakar gave me new found respectability for these machines....
:)

they never had a DR600 in the 70s

[Waihou Thumper]

they never had a DR600 in the 70s


I mean from the 79 era onwards....:Oi: Picky Picky! :)

[JATZ]

i dont care about the horseys either, just listing a fact.... i reckon for a bike of that era it has a shit load of horseys, a lot faster than my old DR500:headbang:

Our one seems to have plenty of get up and go, the way it is delivered is cool too. Suspension still seems good to :niceone:.......
But more importantly it sounds effin nice :rockon:
But then again I'll ride any old p.o.s. and think it's pretty good

[Waihou Thumper]

Our one seems to have plenty of get up and go, the way it is delivered is cool too. Suspension still seems good to :niceone:.......
But more importantly it sounds effin nice :rockon:
But then again I'll ride any old p.o.s. and think it's pretty good

Hey hey....:) There is a nice DR600S for $1750 on the old web site...
I would love to have an old Tenere, or one of these great dinosaurs that have Pedigree, they can handle the rough stuff....
Sort of like that guy riding the Dakar in 1979 with cowbot boots on the R65....Wicked! Navigating with comapasses until 1992....Tough guys...:clap:

[JATZ]

Hey hey....:) There is a nice DR600S for $1750 on the old web site...
I would love to have an old Tenere, or one of these great dinosaurs that have Pedigree, they can handle the rough stuff....
Sort of like that guy riding the Dakar in 1979 with cowbot boots on the R65....Wicked! Navigating with comapasses until 1992....Tough guys...:clap:

Tempting...... very tempting....... all the spares I could want, BUT.... the big wouldn't do my laundry or cook my tea when I'm in the shed or warm the bed in the winter :Pokey:

[Waihou Thumper]

Tempting...... very tempting....... all the spares I could want, BUT.... the big wouldn't do my laundry or cook my tea when I'm in the shed or warm the bed in the winter :Pokey:

Warm the bed in winter...
The rest you could handle...I am sure..:niceone:

[Monstaman]

Was down in Dunedin today, went to MCR and they have the blue one same as my mates, after discussions here I took a closer look and knocked a few things on the side to see how it felt.

The expansion tank is on the RHS, mid mount and right in the line of fire for a breaking, the mounting around it is pretty substandard for any bike let alone a toughy adventure bike.

All in all after seeing one again in the flesh I like the look but the height is too much and the amount of "stuff" that would readily snap of in a fall would be enough to put me off.

Went over to McIver and Vetch to see if they had any Katie M 690 e in but nupe they had all gone out teh door, wonna see one those in the raw too.

Nice to dream...:apint:

[Waihou Thumper]

Was down in Dunedin today, went to MCR and they have the blue one same as my mates, after discussions here I took a closer look and knocked a few things on the side to see how it felt.

The expansion tank is on the RHS, mid mount and right in the line of fire for a breaking, the mounting around it is pretty substandard for any bike let alone a toughy adventure bike.

All in all after seeing one again in the flesh I like the look but the height is too much and the amount of "stuff" that would readily snap of in a fall would be enough to put me off.

Went over to McIver and Vetch to see if they had any Katie M 690 e in but nupe they had all gone out teh door, wonna see one those in the raw too.

Nice to dream...:apint:

Till it has been given a good ride. I have a mate that has just bought one, he is a good experienced rider. Both the 990A and the Ten' are heading south for the summer. We will see the outcome then. I personally like them, but for the amount of plastic etc, but most if not all the modern day ADV bikes from 2003 onwards...(I excluded the KTM 640A 2002...hehe) Time out on the comment for now, I will quiz him on the return! :clap:

[NordieBoy]

That site is notoriously incorrect. See the pic for the 2009 KLR 650.

Looks about right?







:devil2: