600 GSXR slower? not by much..

[rocketman1]

My guess is well ridden 600 will stick with a 1000 on most NZ roads. (not State Highways)
Ham to Rags I would put money on the 600.

[p.dath]

I would agree (assuming you stick to the posted legal limit), in that the biggest impact will be the skill of the rider, not the performance of the bike.

[325rocket]

i would agree. anywhere with a lot of corners it would be close.

[huff3r]

My guess is well ridden 600 will stick with a 1000 on most NZ roads. (not State Highways)
Ham to Rags I would put money on the 600.

Are you trying to justify carvers downgrade? :lol:

I've never ridden a 600 or a thou, but personally i like the sound of a smaller bike that does better in the twisties!

[325rocket]

if you were putting same manufacture 600's against 1000's i think the biggest difference would be between the kawasakis.
honda suzuki and yamaha would all be pretty close.

[crazyhorse]

Yes it would, unless there are alot of straights...... Good bike the GSXR - but I would say that :whistle:

[Taz]

Both are easily capable of 100kph so no problems.

[crazyhorse]

Both are easily capable of 100kph so no problems.

Who rides at 100 k/h???? try double that! I've had my thou up to 280 k/h, and the tl's couldn't keep up :rofl:

[JimO]

Who rides at 100 k/h???? try double that! I've had my thou up to 280 k/h, and the tl's couldn't keep up :rofl:

dontchaknowspeedkills

[p.dath]

Who rides at 100 k/h???? try double that! I've had my thou up to 280 k/h, and the tl's couldn't keep up :rofl:

rocketman1 did say "on most NZ roads" ...

[crazyhorse]

rocketman1 did say "on most NZ roads" ...

We have alot of good tight corners and some straights where I live, so I guess that constitutes "most NZ roads" :argh:

[crazyhorse]

dontchaknowspeedkills

Nope

I heard it was the sudden stop that kills ya :whistle:

[crash harry]

It's pretty much down to personal preference. I'd say a lot of people (myself included) would be faster in general on a 600 than a thou because you can nail it harder through corners without worrying so much about the torque biting you in the arse.

As others have said, as long as there aren't too many straights a 600 should keep up OK if the rider's onto it. There's pretty much nothing between them in the handling department these days - the days of a 1000cc bike being a big heavy lump are long gone. The only things that make much difference between the classes is the power and how it's delivered.

I'd say the rider's going to make more difference

[crash harry]

Nope

I heard it was the sudden stop that kills ya :whistle:

Meh, ya gotta die of something... :rockon:

[dipshit]

Take a look at what is the quickest bike around Nurburgring's 19.1 km course.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nürburgring_lap_times#Motorcycles

[puddytat]

Comes down to the size of your nads not the motor me thinks.
Id put my money on the 6hundy...

[Odakyu-sen]

rocketman1 did say "on most NZ roads" ...

The big difference between a 600 and a 1,000 on open roads is that when you come around a sweeper on your litre bike in top at say 120 and then hit the straight, you simply wind open the throttle and watch the speedo jump up to 200+ real quick without the bike even breaking a sweat. (A totally effortless jump). Meanwhile, your mate behind you on his 600 will be forced to drop down and wring the little bike's neck to keep up.
Mind you, good rider on a 600 will be all over a 1,000 in the hills 'cause a 600 handles like a fly and just loves the tight, nasty shit.

[dipshit]

the days of a 1000cc bike being a big heavy lump are long gone. The only things that make much difference between the classes is the power and how it's delivered.

The guy that built the P3 GSX-R600 (http://londonbikers.com/news/10702/witness-the-p3-suzuki-gsxr600-k8-superlite) hangs out in the Gixxer forums and has said that if he built a 1000 to the same level it would need seriously expensive traction control and that the traction control will be active most of the time anyhow so it kind of defeats the purpose of having all that horsepower in the first place. Basically he couldn't build a 1000 to go any quicker around Nurburgring unless it was practically a WSB machine.

[sosman]

My guess is well ridden 600 will stick with a 1000 on most NZ roads. (not State Highways)
Ham to Rags I would put money on the 600.

You could be right!...But the thou will start its wheelies at over 160kph

[sosman]

Nope

I heard it was the sudden stop that kills ya :whistle:

haha nice! :lol:

[The Pastor]

my 250cc dosent have any trouble keeping to 100km/hr.

[Cr1MiNaL]

My 1000 is a lot quicker around the Coromandel than my 600 was... I too thought 600'ds were faster than 1000's but that is relative I suppose. New 1000cc bikes these days weigh a few kg more than a 600 and have double the power so go figure.

[EJT]

Take a look at what is the quickest bike around Nurburgring's 19.1 km course.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nürburgring_lap_times#Motorcycles

Interesting to see how close the stock bikes were to the Enzo Ferrari - pretty exotic cage.

I think the 600s would rule on a twistie road (riders being equal) regardless of similarities in weight until 1000s start coming with traction control as standard so you can wind it on without the fear of a high side.

[Chrislost]

My guess is well ridden 600 will stick with a 1000 on most NZ roads. (not State Highways)
Ham to Rags I would put money on the 600.

What does it matter? a GSXR 750 will own both at being a road bike!

[Chrislost]

Interesting to see how close the stock bikes were to the Enzo Ferrari - pretty exotic cage.

I think the 600s would rule on a twistie road (riders being equal) regardless of similarities in weight until 1000s start coming with traction control as standard so you can wind it on without the fear of a high side.

fuck man, Have you ever wound it on hard with sticky tyres? Only a moron would not use decent tyres on their 1000! You need to be pretty near knee down or pretty near full gas to get any slide happening? (test bike was a 05 CBR1000 on pilot powers)

[breakaway]

Stop pretending 1000 cc bikes have "too much power" and "need traction control", cut the rear loose etc. While this may have a small element of truth to it, all you have to do on a 1000 cc bike is not act like a fuckwit and you can ride it fast around corners. Fast enough to touch the pegs on the ground. Good Tyres also inpoetand. And don't do stupid shit like pin the throttle mid corner and you'll be fine.

[Cr1MiNaL]

. Good Tyres also inpoetand. And don't do stupid shit like pin the throttle mid corner and you'll be fine.

I'm not a nazi for spelling by far but that's some funny shit right there :blink:

[breakaway]

Yep, was typing it out on my mobile device. Point still stands though.

[BoristheBiter]

What does it matter? a GSXR 750 will own both at being a road bike!

like what has been said, comes down to the rider.

like at manfeild last weekend i was getting lapped by a sv1000. in the corners is where i'm slow and it has nothing to do with the bike i'm on.

[HDTboy]

With a skilled rider on both bikes, the 1000 will always be faster.

There is a limit to how fast you can ride on the road before you wind up dead though, and either bike is more than capable of exceeding the sensible limit.

[Taz]

Anymore than 85HP is a waste anyway.

[McWild]

Hey guys so I heard about this awesome thing the other day it's called a variable.

[Cr1MiNaL]

Hey guys so I heard about this awesome thing the other day it's called a variable.

What does this variable do?

[Chrislost]

Anymore than 85HP is a waste anyway.

you need around 120-130 with a fat midrange for a good roadbike.

[breakaway]

Anymore than 85HP is a waste anyway.

Have you ever owned a big road bike? I don't mean "ridden my mates thou around the block man", I mean actually owned one for a few months.

[dipshit]

you need around 120-130 with a fat midrange for a good roadbike.

Boring. :sleep: Twist the throttle and go. No need to even change out of top.

Where's the challenge and fun in that..??

[wbks]

Your K8 puts out atleast 120!

[dipshit]

Your K8 puts out atleast 120!

105 ish at the rear wheel with a very linear power curve. The more you let it wind out the harder it goes. It is way more enjoyable to ride than the SV1000 i had before. Staying in top gear and just twisting the throttle got kind of boring.

And as a bonus the 600 is easier on petrol and rear tyres. I love it as a road bike in its own right.

[Chrislost]

Boring. :sleep: Twist the throttle and go. No need to even change out of top.

Where's the challenge and fun in that..??

at the first corner...
dipshit.

[dipshit]

at the first corner...

And a lighter more nimble bike is more fun in those.

[Sketchy_Racer]

With a skilled rider on both bikes, the 1000 will always be faster.

There is a limit to how fast you can ride on the road before you wind up dead though, and either bike is more than capable of exceeding the sensible limit.

Most logical reply yet! You clearly don't belong on KB, you have far to much sense!


Boring. :sleep: Twist the throttle and go. No need to even change out of top.

Where's the challenge and fun in that..??

There's a challenge to riding on the road? If you want a challenge and think you are the man (which is sounds like you clearly are) take it to the track and show all the big boys how it is done :cool:

[justsomeguy]

The only thing making a bike go fast is the rider.

Frosty on an old XJ900 would lead rides where guys on the latest machinery wouldn't feel slow.

Warr on a 1984 Yamaha FJ900 would keep guys like the legendary Loosebruce on gixxer thous in sight - not side by side - but in sight. Bruce was one of the fastest public riders in the country without a doubt.

Goblin on a piece of shit ZXR400 would keep up with guys on machines twice as fast.

Sujilite would turn up on a 1989 ZXR750 with dodgy forks and dissappear almost a minute infront of anyone.

Motoracer and Two Smoker on RG150's would overtake litre bikes on the outside of corners.

Yaya - I know your turbo, NOS Hayabusa can do 400kmph - Can you???

[justsomeguy]

Anymore than 85HP is a waste anyway.

You ride cruisers or scooters right?

Go on come out.

It is ok. :mellow:

[dipshit]

There's a challenge to riding on the road?

Yes, riding a bike on the roads is a big challenge. And it doesn't have to involve 160 hp and 200 km/h + speeds.

[wbks]

Most logical reply yet! You clearly don't belong on KB, you have far to much sense!



There's a challenge to riding on the road? If you want a challenge and think you are the man (which is sounds like you clearly are) take it to the track and show all the big boys how it is done :cool:Not everyone can afford to go to the track every time they want a bit of fun around the corners. And yea, try riding like you do on the track on the road, it's a "challenge". To stay alive. And yes I know you're a very good road racer, I'm just saying... What I just said

[Cr1MiNaL]

105 ish at the rear wheel with a very linear power curve. The more you rev it the harder it goes. It is way more enjoyable to ride than the SV1000 i had before. Staying in top gear and just twisting the throttle got kind of boring.

And as a bonus the 600 is easier on petrol and rear tyres. I love it as a road bike in its own right.

105 at the rear wheel? on a 750? is it because ur a fat arse? It should be putting out 120 + at the wheel stock standard. My 600 was putting out 120 with only slight mods.

Edit: never mind thought u had a 750.

[wbks]

At the wheel? Doubt it...

[dipshit]

And yea, try riding like you do on the track on the road, it's a "challenge". To stay alive.

And that's "challenge" like riding and old vintage bike on a long trip is a "challenge".

Track junkies can't grasp any kind of riding enjoyment outside of full throttle redline action.

[PirateJafa]

guys like the legendary Loosebruce on gixxer thous ... Bruce was one of the fastest public riders in the country without a doubt.

Yeah and we know how that ended.

Maybe he should have kept it a bit more on the track, and a bit less on the public roads.

A good example that some in this thread could bear in mind.

[justsomeguy]

Yeah and we know how that ended.

Maybe he should have kept it a bit more on the track, and a bit less on the public roads.

A good example that some in this thread could bear in mind.

Bruce was Bruce - if you knew him you'd understand. If you didn't know him, let it go.

His judgement is NOT what I am referring to. Let him rest in peace. I am talking about his riding skill, which was considerable!

[Motoracer]

I think the 1000 cc vs 600 cc argument comes from the times of 1991 Yamaha FZR1000 vs a 1991 Yamaha FZR600.

Times have changed now and the difference between a GSXR1000 K9 and a GSXR600 K9, in terms of agility and manuvrability is not much. Sure the pistons are larger or smaller and that means turning the bike over from one side to another requires greater or lesser time/force due to inertia of the masses of the moving parts but this calcualtion can be left only for the track.

IMHO, on a nicely varried section of road with tight corners and some straight bits, the 1000cc will take it out with a skilled enough rider to do the comparison between the two bikes. If the rider is not skilled enough to push a 1000 then 600 could be faster.

[Shaun]

YES to the 600 v the 1000

But be even smarter, and go and buy the 750

Same handling as the 6, but more tourque

Ask Pussy, they are the very best road bike on the market in NZ Hands down

[Dave-]

I was talking to a man in a shop who said he rode an R1 to the westcoast and got home faster on an R6.

[gixerracer]

With a skilled rider on both bikes, the 1000 will always be faster.

There is a limit to how fast you can ride on the road before you wind up dead though, and either bike is more than capable of exceeding the sensible limit.

watch sum boxing day footage and you may change your mind :msn-wink:

[HDTboy]

I was talking to a man in a shop who said he rode an R1 to the westcoast and got home faster on an R6.

Could it be that he was less intimidated by the R6 than the R1? I've only ridden one full spec superbike, but was much slower on that than on any road going 1000 that I've ridden.

Just because the bike is faster, doesn't mean the rider is. Ask any poseur on a brand new 1198s with matching leathers.

[HDTboy]

watch sum boxing day footage and you may change your mind :msn-wink:

Why were you riding a thou there last time I watched?

[gixerracer]

Why were you riding a thou there last time I watched?

only because i dont have a 600 anymore and i still havent lapped around there faster on the thou than the 600:2guns:

[White trash]

only because i dont have a 600 anymore and i still havent lapped around there faster on the thou than the 600:2guns:
Fuck I'd smash you round there on a Thou' if you were on a 600.

Do you know who I am?

[gixerracer]

Fuck I'd smash you round there on a Thou' if you were on a 600.

Do you know who I am?

yea i no who you are white trash mother fucker i even wrote a poem about how crap you are after all your retard KB friends blew hot air up your arse about how good you were but you turned out to be fucken hopeless like i said you were:shit:
The only thing you would smash around that track would be your self and what ever piece of shit you could bludge to ride.:love:

[White trash]

what ever piece of shit you could bludge to ride.:love:

No thanks mate, only steers and queers ride Hondas, and I don't see no horns on you. Thanks for the offer though :love:

[Dave-]

Could it be that he was less intimidated by the R6 than the R1?

not a chance.

[Shaun]

only because i dont have a 600 anymore and i still havent lapped around there faster on the thou than the 600:2guns:



Cause you were dam fast on the 600 there mate

[Nonbeliever]

yea i no who you are white trash mother fucker i even wrote a poem about how crap you are after all your retard KB friends blew hot air up your arse about how good you were but you turned out to be fucken hopeless like i said you were:shit:
The only thing you would smash around that track would be your self and what ever piece of shit you could bludge to ride.:love:

LOL ouch :2guns:

[White trash]

LOL ouch :2guns:
Nah, that's not an ouch. Having your 16 month son only wanna hang out with someone who races a Honda, THAT's an "ouch".

[roadracingoldfart]

Nah, that's not an ouch. Having your 16 month son only wanna hang out with someone who races a Honda, THAT's an "ouch".



Ahhh shut the hell up and show the man on ya MVX . You know you want to Jimmy.

not that im saying that Gixer pussy is the man

[Cr1MiNaL]

Stop pretending 1000 cc .... blah blah blah ... you'll be fine.


like what has been said, comes down to the rider blah blah.


With a skilled rider on both bikes, the 1000 will always be faster blah blah blah.


Anymore than 85HP is a waste anyway.


Hey guys so I heard about this awesome thing the other day it's called a variable.


you need around 120-130 with a fat midrange for a good roadbike.


Boring. :sleep: Twist the throttle and go. No need to even change out of top.

Where's the challenge and fun in that..??


Your K8 puts out atleast 120!


Most logical reply yet! You clearly don't belong on KB, you have far to much sense!blah bleh


The only thing making a bike go fast is the rider.
blah blah bleh
Sujilite would turn up on a 1989 ZXR750 with dodgy forks and dissappear almost a minute infront of anyone.


Yeah and we know how that ended.

Maybe he should have kept it a bit more on the track, and a bit less on the public roads.A good example that some in this thread could bear in mind.


I think the 1000 cc vs 600 cc argument blah blah...


YES to the 600 v the 1000

But be even smarter, and go and buy the 750

Same handling as the 6, but more tourque

Ask Pussy, they are the very best road bike on the market in NZ Hands down


I was talking to a man in a shop who said he rode an R1 to the westcoast and got home faster on an R6.


watch sum boxing day footage and you may change your mind :msn-wink:


Fuck I'd smash you round there on a Thou' if you were on a 600.

Do you know who I am?


Cause you were dam fast on the 600 there mate


Ahhh shut the hell up and show the man on ya MVX . You know you want to Jimmy.

not that im saying that Gixer pussy is the man
Fact is I'll own you all.



*steps out of thread slowly*

[wbks]

Fact is I'll own you all.



*steps out of thread slowly*You the indian guy with the white boots?
I guess you do own, then

[Pussy]

Fact is I'll own you all.



*steps out of thread slowly*

But we're not talking about butter chicken making ability here, Raj!....

[wbks]

But we're not talking about butter chicken making ability here, Raj!....Butter fuckin chicken skills are not to be laughed at.

[Cr1MiNaL]

You the indian guy with the white boots?
I guess you do own, then

:corn::corn::done: wbks has spoken.

[Cr1MiNaL]

But we're not talking about butter chicken making ability here, Raj!....

It's you whose going to be doing the cooking mister. remember! :wari:

[Chrislost]

Fact is I'll own you all.



*steps out of thread slowly*

Who is too scared to come to the track cos morcs on his RVF dicked their R6?

[Chrislost]

And a lighter more nimble bike is more fun in those.

No...
A lighter more nimble bike is EASIER in those...

[gatch]

Who is too scared to come to the track cos morcs on his RVF dicked their R6?

That's not to dis-credit the man. Its well known hondas are the tits :D

[Cr1MiNaL]

Who is too scared to come to the track cos morcs on his RVF dicked their R6?

What ya on about, I'd own any one of you on my R1. I bet some haterz out there thinking "what a dick" well fuk u haterz!

[White trash]

Fact is I'll own you all.



*steps out of thread slowly*
What are your Chicken Vindaloo skills like sonny? You can own my kitchen if they're any good :D

[steve_t]

While you're at it, can I get some chicken tikka masala? :bleh: Hang on, what forum am I on again?:laugh::laugh:

[Dropped]

Do you boys want to get them out and compare coz I think this is the only way this is going to end!

[wbks]

Do you boys want to get them out and compare coz I think this is the only way this is going to end!oh dear, perhaps indian guy with white boots isn't going to own afterall

[McWild]

Do you boys want to get them out and compare coz I think this is the only way this is going to end!

Most truthful post yet in this thread.

[carver]

My guess is well ridden 600 will stick with a 1000 on most NZ roads. (not State Highways)
Ham to Rags I would put money on the 600.

the thou is going to dick it if the rider is dedicated

[Morcs]

600's own thou's anyway on NZ roads.

Only squids on thous open it up on the straights to get ahead to prevent getting owned. And even then, coming into the next corner, the smaller bike will be right up the inside/outside anyway...

Point and squirt is boring.

Gimme my rare 400 over a common thou anyday ;)

[Cr1MiNaL]

600's own thou's anyway on NZ roads.

Only squids on thous open it up on the straights to get ahead to prevent getting owned. And even then, coming into the next corner, the smaller bike will be right up the inside/outside anyway...

Point and squirt is boring.

Gimme my rare 400 over a common thou anyday ;)

Heck no! Give me a common SQUID mobile over a 400 anyday! Skilled riding is for nubs, were past that stage, and now is the time to open the throttle and scream hell yeah!:rockon::yes:

[gatch]

Point and squirt is boring.

Depends what the target is..

[Armitage Shanks]

Heck no! Give me a common SQUID mobile over a 400 anyday! Skilled riding is for nubs, were past that stage, and now is the time to open the throttle and scream hell yeah!:rockon::yes:

Did'nt have problem dispensing a new GSXR 600 today round the Port Hills on my Busa .....seems there's a lack of 'How to ride skills ' out there with the younger people ?? I had a good laugh anyway ...good ride

[EnzoYug]

A thou will beat me and my 6-hundy any day. Cause Im a fucking nana who is scared to get his knee down and too cheap to get the suspension setup properly.

I'd say the second you take it off the track it's down to ride skill and the road you pick.

[slowpoke]

Aaaaaah, good ol' "small bike syndrome". If they're fast it's all down to the riders skill, if they're slow it's 'cos they've got a small bike. Typical blather from folks with something to prove.

[gatch]

Aaaaaah, good ol' "small "bike" syndrome". If they're fast it's all down to the riders skill, if they're slow it's 'cos they've got a small "bike". Typical blather from folks with something to prove.

Fixed for you.

Edit - Ha thats why I only ride a 400.. Lol self burn..

[Fatjim]

The only thing making a bike go fast is the rider.

Frosty on an old XJ900 would lead rides where guys on the latest machinery wouldn't feel slow.

Warr on a 1984 Yamaha FJ900 would keep guys like the legendary Loosebruce on gixxer thous in sight - not side by side - but in sight. Bruce was one of the fastest public riders in the country without a doubt.

Goblin on a piece of shit ZXR400 would keep up with guys on machines twice as fast.

Sujilite would turn up on a 1989 ZXR750 with dodgy forks and dissappear almost a minute infront of anyone.

Motoracer and Two Smoker on RG150's would overtake litre bikes on the outside of corners.

Yaya - I know your turbo, NOS Hayabusa can do 400kmph - Can you???

Gonna have to agree.

The other side to the coin though is

Equal riders, except for the top 1-2%, the thous gonna kick butt. They're just much easier to ride fast. (not necessarily well though)

[breakaway]

Typical blather from folks with something to prove.

Or folks who understand the difference in torque put out by a 1000 compared to a 600.