Slight easing of ACC proposed rates... are you appeased yet?

[kwaka_crasher]

See here (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10612689).

"Motorcyclists and car owners can expect a slight easing of proposed registration fee rises in new ACC recommendations out today.

But that will not stop the bikers keeping pressure on the Government for levies closer to the lower rises facing other motorists.

Although proposed legislative changes to the ACC scheme may soften the increases further, it was unclear yesterday what effect these would have on the corporation's latest recommendations.

Without changes, owners of bikes with engines larger than 600cc still face an increase of $445.92 on their annual registration fee to recover part of what ACC calls a subsidy from other motorists because of a higher risk of injuries faced by motorcyclists.

That would lift their annual ACC levy to $698.61 and follows a readjustment of figures by the corporation, which raised a storm of protest including a 5000-strong "bikoi" ride to Parliament when it initially recommended an increase of $493.

A rise of $224.12c is now proposed for motorcycles between 126cc and 600cc, compared with an earlier figure of $258.74c.

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Moped owners face paying $177.57c more. That is down from $208.61c proposed earlier, but is still three times as much as an ACC levy of $58.97 now paid on mopeds.

Car owners face an increase of $65.97c on the $168.46c they now pay as an ACC levy on annual registration fees, compared with a rise of $68.91 initially proposed. After contributions to the national land transport fund, that would lift their overall registration fee to $313.37.

The ACC board is also recommending a 1.5c increase for each litre of petrol sold - to 11.4c a litre.

Chairman John Judge yesterday denied responding to any public pressure in easing the throttle on motorcyclists and car owners.

Meanwhile, a speech by ACC Minister Nick Smith to party faithful in Auckland last night was gatecrashed by about 100 angry bikers.

Mr Smith was giving a speech on the environment when the bikers turned up at the Royal Akarana Yacht Club on Tamaki Drive.

They wanted to know why riders of the 600cc-plus bikes were being hardest hit by the proposed new levies.

Dressed in fluoro vests, the bikers shouted Mr Smith down as he attempted to answer their questions.

* Reving up levies

Moped / motorcycles to 125cc: Up from $58.97 to $236.54

Motorcycles 126cc to 600cc: Up from $252.69 to $476.81

Motorcycles above 600cc: Up from $252.69 to $698.61

Cars: Up from $168.46 to $233.97"

[kwaka_crasher]

Then there's this (http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/3111945/Bikers-ACC-levy-lift-pared).

"The ACC has wound back recommended levy increases for motorcyclists, but riders of big bikes will still face a rise of more than 50 per cent next year.

The state insurer will today release to ministers its final recommendation, which will see the levies on employers, workers and motor vehicles all rise.

The work account levy, paid by employers and the self-employed, will rise from $1.31 for every $100 of earnings to $1.89, but that is expected to be cut to $1.57 once law changes going through Parliament are in place.

Earners face a rise from $1.70 now to $2.80 per $100 of income next year, although that will drop to $2.70 once the new ACC law is passed.

The average rate for cars (including the levy on petrol) will surge from $287 to $352.19 a year.

Lobbying by motorcyclists, including a 5000-strong rally at Parliament last month, failed to change the ACC's plan to cut the cross-subsidies for motorcyclists, chairman John Judge said.

"We don't see any policy reason why motor vehicles as a whole should be subsidising motorcyclists."

However, a change in assumptions had trimmed the recommended increase and that could drop further if ACC Minister Nick Smith decides, as signalled, to moderate the rise.

Figures released yesterday show the ACC's final recommendation would see the levy on moped owners rise from $100 a year now to $247.22.

The cost for motorbikes bigger than 600cc would rise from $430.54 to $739.32, but that is down on the $781.12 originally suggested by the ACC. It would fall to $659.26 once the law change was in place.

Judge said the new rates should mean the workers' levy would not rise again for a decade. "We have set the levy at a rate we think we can keep steady for 10 years because to the extent that inflation puts our costs up, equally it will put wages up, and so our levies will go up."

Over the same period, motor vehicle levies would need to rise only by the rate of inflation.

After 10 years, ACC would be fully funded, including for its pre-1999 liabilities, and levies would need to cover only the current year costs of accidents.

Judge said there were still some areas of unfairness and cross-subsidisation that the ACC could not address under its current legislation. He would raise them with an expert group looking at possible changes to the scheme, including opening some accounts to competition.

One possible change was the levy on retired or unemployed motor vehicle owners.

"You and I, when we drive our cars, are insured for both medical treatment and for earning compensation. If you took my mother, before she ceased to drive, for the last 20 years she's only been insured for medical and yet she's paying the same rate," he said."
"At its heart it doesn't seem very fair ... that the poorest people in the community would subsidise the people with the highest incomes in terms of that income-replacement insurance as far as motor vehicles are concerned."

People who owned several cars or motorcycles also faced unfairness because they paid a levy on all their vehicles, although they could drive only one at a time, he said.

"It's a completely valid point. It's certainly the sort of thing I want to bring to the notice of the stocktake."

[blossomsowner]

i am not appeased at all

[YellowDog]

This appeasing U-Turn is great if you want to:

Encourage changing from motorcycling to car driving.
Encourage law breaking (no rego at all)
Encourage Riders to buy bikes too big for their abilities (why ride a 250cc and pay the same price as a 600 rider).
Destroy the NZ motorcycle sales and service industry.
Over congest the roads and car parks.
Polute the air that we all breathe.

Well thought out Dr Nick.

Keep this up and you'll be PM next.

I am totally appeased off.

[knuckles24]

not appeased at all, it should be 0% increase and that is what we need to keep fighting for. :angry2:

[DEVVIL]

This appeasing U-Turn is great if you want to:

Encourage changing from motorcycling to car driving.
Encourage law breaking (no rego at all)
Encourage Riders to buy bikes too big for their abilities (why ride a 250cc and pay the same price as a 600 rider).
Destroy the NZ motorcycle sales and service industry.
Over congest the roads and car parks.
Polute the air that we all breathe.

Well thought out Dr Nick.

Keep this up and you'll be PM next.

I am totally appeased off.

:nono:We got a U turn keep it up and drive it home!
Encourage law breaking (no rego at all)!!!
:argh::spanking:
TIME TO GET A VEST.
How do I get the FUCACC sticker?

[DidJit]

Slight easing of ACC proposed rates... are you appeased yet?

No. :angry:

[kwaka_crasher]

Some people are just never happy! :oi-grr:

[FastBikeGear]

The OP of the second article missed the final two paragraphs when he cut and pasted the content of the article from The Press.

"At its heart it doesn't seem very fair ... that the poorest people in the community would subsidise the people with the highest incomes in terms of that income-replacement insurance as far as motor vehicles are concerned."

People who owned several cars or motorcycles also faced unfairness because they paid a levy on all their vehicles, although they could drive only one at a time, he said.

"It's a completely valid point. It's certainly the sort of thing I want to bring to the notice of the stocktake."

We need to pick up on this point and quote John Judge where ever possible saying

"People who owned several cars or motorcycles also faced unfairness because they paid a levy on all their vehicles, although they could drive only one at a time".

"It's a completely valid point. It's certainly the sort of thing I want to bring to the notice of the stocktake."

[avgas]

Wow that lube did help ease it in.
Shame I'm still being fucked in the arse though

[FastBikeGear]

Encourage Riders to buy bikes too big for their abilities (why ride a 250cc and pay the same price as a 600 rider).

Hmmm I don't think you have this right. 600CC riders pay more than 250CC riders under the new ACC recommendations.

[Edited: thanks guys for pointing out my error (see posts below) nicely]

[Supermac Jr]

Hmmm I don't think you have this right. 600CC riders pay more than 250CC riders under the new ACC recommendations.

Threshold kicks in at 601cc...

[Reido]

Hmmm I don't think you have this right. 600CC riders pay more than 250CC riders under the new ACC recommendations.

its 601cc +
126cc - 600cc is the same

[kwaka_crasher]

The OP of the second article missed the final two paragraphs when he cut and pasted the content of the article from The Press.

So I did. Fixed now.

[mashman]

Ima totallya appeaseda offa

[MSTRS]

These are both total spin...


"We don't see any policy reason why motor vehicles as a whole should be subsidising motorcyclists."

If that were truly the case, then all high-risk activities would be receiving targeted levies. The earner levy is subsidising them. Why are we different?


"You and I, when we drive our cars, are insured for both medical treatment and for earning compensation. If you took my mother, before she ceased to drive, for the last 20 years she's only been insured for medical and yet she's paying the same rate," he said."




His mother is doubtless on the pension. She may or may not have some clawed back as an 'earner'. Regardless, if she is hurt, her medical is paid and her pension continues. As for you/me, where does our weekly $ come from if we can't work through injury?

[Waihou Thumper]

appeased....Still far too high.
I am going to put some money aside or pay Rego monthly or something...
I am not a fatalist but I think whatever we do, this seems to be the worst thing this Government could do to the NZ population.
Priorities.......Look at what these idiots earn, all of a sudden he is a expert in ACC. How many portfolios do these guys have?
Do you think that they gather round the table when they have had a few wines and throw these brown manilla folders into the middle and draw straws? AND then charge you and me for Taxi's and hotels and airfares overseas....It ranks low, really low.
I reckon something like this happens....Total incompetence! :Oi:

[Mom]

How do I get the FUCACC sticker?


PM me your addy, I will post you one :D

[KelvinAng]

I think we should just all drive cars with bikes on trailers to the protests.

[DEVVIL]

I think we should just all drive cars with bikes on trailers to the protests.

Now thats a good idea! As all our regos will be on hold lol.

[duckonin]

This Govt along with ACC are going to destroy a lot of people, they have this notion we all earn in excess of 50G a year YEAH RIGHT...:no:

Yes Bikers were the start, now they are charging us more as we earn per $100, the ripple is like a tidal wave getting bigger and bigger..

I have never voted for National and after the shit being put on us now I never will, I hope those that are affected will remember at the next election, just what these liars are doing to us now...:Offtopic: I am a firm believer fuck my life up and I shall do my best to fuck yours, no vote from me...

[mikeey01]

Am I appeased? NO

Time to ramp things up!

[caseye]

Me neither I aint no Trout and they'll never get mine or my familys vote/s ever! again.

[P38]

Not me either.

I'm actually looking for a reduction on the present levie.

$1.3 Billion excess over expenditure = Reduction in levies for everyone.

And if you believe the Governments line that ACC is Broke then please explain to me why they recently accepted a $700million dividend from Said Broke Corporation.

[avgas]

And if you believe the Governments line that ACC is Broke then please explain to me why they recently accepted a $700million dividend from Said Broke Corporation.
"Fudge this" comes to mind
(google "NZFSU")

[Grahameeboy]

PM me your addy, I will post you one :D

Can I have once...you know my address:msn-wink:

[Smokin Joe]

At the moment we don't know what Nick Smith will be recommending to Cabinet.

Should we as bikers be busy yelling "Bull Shit, Bull Shit" etc etc and yelling him down when we don't know what he will recommend.

Shouldn't we be staying on side with him with some constructive dialogue till he declares his hand and we know where he intends going with this.

The dick head from ACC has made his play so by all means make his life miserable.

Finally if the unthinkable were to happen and we were to arrive at hospital on a Saturday afternoon or evening would the proposed ACC levy's on bikers give us preferential service in hospital ahead of all the rugby players, pushbike riders etc etc who don't pay ACC for their sport activities.

I feel another ride to Wellington coming on. Sure enjoyed the last one.

[MadDuck]

Should we as bikers be busy yelling "Bull Shit, Bull Shit" etc etc and yelling him down when we don't know what he will recommend.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:...you for real?

[Mom]

Shouldn't we be staying on side with him with some constructive dialogue till he declares his hand and we know where he intends going with this.

I feel another ride to Wellington coming on. Sure enjoyed the last one.

You obviously are asleep, or you would have twigged to where Dr Myth is going with this one. If he is not in control of what is happeneing then John Judge is. Heaven help us all! Pleased however to see you planing for another trip to Welly, that may come sooner rather than later.



:laugh::laugh::laugh:...you for real?

Bitch!

[Voltaire]

Just on the 10:30 news.
ACC have ' released' figures for a middle aged biker on 80 k who breaks his back in a motorcycle accident.
Something like:
750,000 in medical costs and recovery...
and $4.1 million over a lifetime.

No one in ACC were available for comment.

It would appear they are prepared to say anything to discredit motorcyclists.
:2guns::2guns::2guns:

Nick was interviewed about ACC not paying for the War Veteran who was bashed and ACC would not cover his dental.
Nicks gonna sort it out.....

Are they squirming????

[kwaka_crasher]

Just on the 10:30 news.
ACC have ' released' figures for a middle aged biker on $80k p/a who breaks his back in a motorcycle accident.
Something like:
$750,000 in medical costs and recovery...
and $4.1M over a lifetime.

No one in ACC were available for comment.

Surely that's a typical bike crash?

[Zapf]

they did a WHAT on the increase? backtrack by like 10%

I would like to pickup my car and put the bike on the trailer and then you will only need a few of us to ring fence and grid lock the local ACC office! :2guns:

[Bald Eagle]

Just on the 10:30 news.
ACC have ' released' figures for a middle aged biker on 80 k who breaks his back in a motorcycle accident.
Something like:
750,000 in medical costs and recovery...
and $4.1 million over a lifetime.

No one in ACC were available for comment.

It would appear they are prepared to say anything to discredit motorcyclists.

Wouldn't that be a typical Rugby injury

[Voltaire]

Surely that's a typical bike crash?

Are you implying that ACC are trotting out worst case scenarios to make them look 'realistic' in the eyes of the TV watching public?:blink:

What about boozed up drivers with others in the car with them.

See NIck Smith coming to the aid of the ANZAC vet who got bashed...
Good that he is getting sorted but its probably a result of ACC/Smyth being under pressure.:2guns::2guns:

Is the battle between Equality and Fairness Vs ACC going to be fought on the TV?

[Pixie]

"We don't see any policy reason why motor vehicles as a whole should be subsidising motorcyclists."


Well,here's a good reason,Johnny boy.When you do your sums in 2011,and find that a large proportion of motorcycles are only being registered for 3 months of the year,and ACC's motorcycle income is fucked,what are you gonna do?

[MSTRS]

Is the battle between Equality and Fairness Vs ACC going to be fought on the TV?

A one-sided fight. We do need the media, but they seldom do us much in the way of full, impartial coverage.
I fear this battle will play out in the streets.

[KelvinAng]

Now thats a good idea! As all our regos will be on hold lol.

It will also show how much more congestion there will be on the road and how much less income ACC will get for each bike that decides not to be registered.

[caseye]

Should the levys not be taken back this is the logical next step. Put regos on hold(if you don't when u come to register, even for just 3 months you will be required to pay the months not taken up)
Register just for summer, take the punt, be prepared for a fine, fight the bloody thing, the govt lied to us, said it weas No fault, No Blane No Sueing , then they changed thier monopoly ACC into the only INSURANCE Co in the game.
Here I am your honour a disgruntled motorcyclist with 10 motor vehicles all on hold for 9 of the years 12 months cause I can't afford to pay Nicks Miserable bloody ACC Taxes.
I'm sueing.

[rustic101]

My ute rego will go up, my worker levies will go up and my bike rego will still farking go up... Plus the employers levies go up so most can say goodbye to a payrise next year...



This is BULL SHIT BULL SHIT BULL SHIT

ACC are Wankers

[revlikeshit]

Just a quick question people.

When i payed the rego on my kawi zx6r(2007/08 model) it was $321.00 for 12 months i believe.

Yet my old man put 12 months on his suzook gt380 and payed $260 sumthin or whatever it is.

Anyone know why this would be???, kinda weird considering my bikes 599cc.

Oh yea btw fuck you ACC. Cheers.

[DEVVIL]

I can see two things comming up.
Bikeoi 2
rego's on hold
:soon::chase::Police::chase:

[davebullet]

The reduction?

Well - its like a skinhead offering to kick only 6 of my teeth in instead of the 7 originally promised.

Fuck'em. Why the shit should I have to pay double increases - one for the car AND bike (forget the amount of each increase) when I can only use one at a time.

Stop fucking around and change to combination petrol levy and driver license based levy. The collection and revenue split technologies are simple to implement (I'll do it for less than $10 million - bargain in IT terms).

[Tink]

i am not appeased at all

appeased is a understatement... ;)

[heyjoe]

Not farrrking appeased at all!! Not good enough! All the rational arguments against it still stand.:mad::mad:

[Tink]

Nick Myths comments today on the news... were amazing.... we abuse him, and he says can't we listen.. he must be blind and deaf... as no matter how much WE talk.. (bikoi etc, bronze, ulysses).... he just ignores everything... if he wants to speak... he listens first.... who the hell pays his wages anyway... and who approved his degree in the first place... listening is formost in learning... has he not learnt anything... :2guns:

[stig]

Then there's this.
"The ACC has wound back recommended levy increases for motorcyclists, but riders of big bikes will still face a rise of more than 50 per cent next year."

$252.69 to $698.61 is a 276% increase

I'm not appeased,
the reality of what could be is starting to sink in properly now.:2guns:

[Wannabiker]

FUCACC....It's available as a personalised plate...just checked, and no-one has it yet.... If only I had the spare cash...

[kwaka_crasher]

FUCACC....It's available as a personalised plate...just checked, and no-one has it yet.... If only I had the spare cash...

Have to be FKACC for a bike.

[zjet]

Ain't we already paying more than car rego's ??? .. hell no i,m not appeased. I still can't figer out why i,m paying more as is.

[kwaka_crasher]

So... I see the fix is in (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=114641).

Get appeased already! :lol: