Who are these "bikies"?

[FROSTY]

An off the cuff comment by somebody recently gave me the germ of an idea.
"Bikies"--- nasty smelly fringe of society types or fat balding middle aged IT geeks .

Now what would happen if a protest "parkup" was staged and the bikers concerned were seen as being doctors, nurses fireys,mechanics,shopkeepers etc?
Same as the bikio or the mission bay event.
Getting across the message-"hey we are normal people who choose bikes as a means of transport" AND VOTE

[k2w3]

That is a damned good idea. Lots of suits from business people and uniforms of the various services. Would be very newsworthy I think.

[DidJit]

Some of the KB girls have already done a café ride surprising many of the public when they took their helmets off. :niceone:

[Thani-B]

Some of the KB girls have already done a café ride surprising many of the public when they took their helmets off. :niceone:

Yeah was going to say we've done that, to show that we arent all the typical biker stereotype. Think we need to do it again as well.

[EgliHonda]

Funnily enough as the Munro weekend has just passed, I heard nothng but positive comments from people on how good it was to see all the motorcycles in town. Kids loved it (constantly getting a big 'thumbs up') and so did the average mums and dads from what I experienced.

Every cafe/motel/pub had bikes parked up and I think the towns and surrounding areas enjoyed the extra business and buzz about the place as the engines throbbed around the city... Apart from some thieving scumbags ripping off some blokes Harley it was all positive news and well-behaved bikers - you can't buy that sort of PR...

[AllanB]

I'm starting to wonder that if we were all evil bikers that we'd be noticed a lot more!

Headline:

Police Riot Squad Required at Parliament to Quell Angry Bikers ........

[PuppetMaster]

I'm starting to wonder that if we were all evil bikers that we'd be noticed a lot more!
Headline:
Police Riot Squad Required at Parliament to Quell Angry Bikers ........


Two groups of people with helmets and protective gear in battle. Maybe we should start some training camps in the urerewa's.

[Eng_dave]

I heard on Seven Days them taking the piss out of the Wellington ride. That the participants were criminals, gang members and IT consultants!!! If this is what the stereo type is of a biker is we got some work to do people. I knew there was a reason for my irational hatred of Dai Henwood.:angry2:

[crazyhorse]

They used to do an advert in the local paper of Rick Barker - one photo of him in his suit - and the other of him standing in his leather next to his bike - advertising that you really do not know what profession motorcyclists have and that they can come from all walks of life......

[Genestho]

I agree, primarily bikies are solid members in our community, have solid work to do and good incomes. Firemen, doctors, nurses, police, mechanics, home owners etc etc

Pisses me off to see this continual stereotype portrayed, and every press release using the angry bikers reference. :argh::angry2: ( Apologies - I is in a bad with one D mood)

[Kiwi B]

You are dead right, this is the core of the problem with this whole ACC protest - the general public and cage drivers in particular just see us all as a bunch of gang affiliated reckless idiots. I had an ask around the office today and the general consensus is that we deserve the ACC increase, it should have happended years ago, get us off the road and why are we funding your accidents. Gullible ill informed idiots.

Not one of them really had a clue that the majority of us are hard working honest people whom just enjoy motorcycles - some didn't even realise that I rode a motorcycle!! for fucks sake. We are all then labelled as the stereotypical 'bikie' - gang patch harely rider with a skull helmet out to rape and pillage.

I think if Mr & Mrs general public new that a lot of us were in fact 'normal' people just like them we may get a hell of a lot more support.

I think it would be a great idea to get everyone out on a protest ride but have a gathering at the end that showed off all the walks of life that are the 'bikie' - get rid of that stupid stereotype

just my 10 cents

[FROSTY]

If in agreement with the concept could this be integrated into the next organised protest.
I"m thinking perhaps either people putting on their uniform (I can understand why this might not be possible) or maybee wear some kind of "patch" saying in big words-- Doctor, lawyer,Plumber etc etc on the back of tee shirts/leather jackets.
The idea of a patch being people seem to go looking for a patch
Just throwin out ideas here

[MSTRS]

That is a great idea, Frosty. Whaddaya suggest for a 'rocker'? "Taxpayer"?

[k2w3]

Great idea. What ever the patch says as your occupation, add "AND VOTER & TAXPAYER" to the end.

[FROSTY]

That is a great idea, Frosty. Whaddaya suggest for a 'rocker'? "Taxpayer"?
Mate --WTF is a rocker

[Ronin]

They used to do an advert in the local paper of Rick Barker - one photo of him in his suit - and the other of him standing in his leather next to his bike - advertising that you really do not know what profession motorcyclists have and that they can come from all walks of life......

I reckon one of those splitdown the middle ones would be good. You know, where half is in leather, half in a suit.

[MSTRS]

Mate --WTF is a rocker

http://www.gangscene.co.nz/images/hells-angels-california-gang-patch.jpg

The part that says 'California'.
Sheesh...you young fellas...such sheltered lives.

[Max Headroom]

This was the issue that bugged me the most after leaving the meeting last night. Government departments, politicians and the media have created a science out of pigeon-holing people and de-humanising them. So, people who ride motorcycles become bikers. People who walk become pedestrians even if it's only a short walk from their car to a shop, where they then become consumers etc.

I wear a number of hats, some intermittently, some constantly. I'm a husband, a father, a grandfather, a car driver, a motorcycle rider, a pedestrian, an employer, a tax payer, a ratepayer, a van driver, a consumer, an internet junkie, AND A VOTER.

[MSTRS]

Change the top bar to suit...

[vifferman]

This is a good idea. :niceone:

[AllanB]

Just quietly, and at the risk of sounding like Katman, I don't thing think the general public give a shit about motorcyclists. As a rule unless you are associated with a biker of some type you have probably been bought up with the 'temporary citizens' line of thought.
Unfortunately this opinion is reinforced every weekend when Joe Public is cruising along at 95 and a bike passes at 120 or so.
In the same situation driving the car with my family, Mrs B often says 'you don't ride that quick do you? ..... when my response is 'he's alright, plenty of room etc and only cruising' I get the head shake. :nono:

WHAT TO DO
I think to alter the general stereotypical opinion of motorcyclists we need to get some of the famous NZ bikers in the public eye - where are the riding All Blacks and TV stars? People who the public recognize and respect. These people need to be visibly out there and complaining.

[MSTRS]

The lovely Dr Ropata will become Jake the Muss. We could do with Judy Bailey tho :clap:

[FROSTY]

Change the top bar to suit...
Mate - Can ya have another go-- Maybee bigger with the JOB description But holey cow that really makes a point doesn't it --clear and precise --
WE are your voters doofus :devil2:

[MSTRS]

You mean like this...

[FROSTY]

Just quietly, and at the risk of sounding like Katman, I don't thing think the general public give a shit about motorcyclists. and only cruising' I get the head shake. :nono:
mate thats actually the point Im making really.
Its a two pronged aproach 1)get some non biker public awareness that bikers are just normal folks
2) make the pollys aware that they are affecting VOTERS from all walks of life--Ie they have less than two years and we may be voting em out

[FROSTY]

You mean like this...
yea mate --cept dunno if a car dealer is concidered to ba human lol :devil2:
and no taking away the word car probably aint a good idea I dont wanna be a target for sniffer dogs lol

[mashman]

Just quietly, and at the risk of sounding like Katman, I don't thing think the general public give a shit about motorcyclists. As a rule unless you are associated with a biker of some type you have probably been bought up with the 'temporary citizens' line of thought.
Unfortunately this opinion is reinforced every weekend when Joe Public is cruising along at 95 and a bike passes at 120 or so.
In the same situation driving the car with my family, Mrs B often says 'you don't ride that quick do you? ..... when my response is 'he's alright, plenty of room etc and only cruising' I get the head shake. :nono:

WHAT TO DO
I think to alter the general stereotypical opinion of motorcyclists we need to get some of the famous NZ bikers in the public eye - where are the riding All Blacks and TV stars? People who the public recognize and respect. These people need to be visibly out there and complaining.

The funny thing is it's got fuck all to do with bikes anymore (well near enough). Well, in regards to friends, and the people i've spoken to at work.

They just stare back with blank faces until you mention that their employee levy is under review and the so far the proposal (according to the media) is to raise it 60% per hundred dollars... they soon prick their ears up... and if ya wanna get their eyes, just mention the fuel levy and the piece de resistance, that car rego is being looked at and could rise by as much as 72%...

To me it's every wo/man for her/himself, after all we're all individuals with different needs, wants and desires, differing levels of income, perceived statuses, a trust account... But it seems that you'll only get the attention of Joe Public if you slap them in the face with the facts. Only 2 more years to go, how hard could it be!!! :buggerd:

[sinfull]

An off the cuff comment by somebody recently gave me the germ of an idea.
"Bikies"--- nasty smelly fringe of society types or fat balding middle aged IT geeks .

Now what would happen if a protest "parkup" was staged and the bikers concerned were seen as being doctors, nurses fireys,mechanics,shopkeepers etc?
Same as the bikio or the mission bay event.
Getting across the message-"hey we are normal people who choose bikes as a means of transport" AND VOTESorry Tony, But what shade of difference do you really think it would make to the decision that had been made well before any protest was even thought of ?

It's been done, gone ! I know of lots of riders who will not be reging their bikes from now on and they will run ! There will be lots of deaths ! ACC's income will go down and their cost will go up ! So be it ! It is the NZ way !

[gunrunner]

I heard on Seven Days them taking the piss out of the Wellington ride. That the participants were criminals, gang members and IT consultants!!! If this is what the stereo type is of a biker is we got some work to do people. I knew there was a reason for my irational hatred of Dai Henwood.:angry2:


But you gotta remember thats coming from a bunch of untalented comedians on a fri night show that cant find any new material and try to make fun of stuff the either find on the net or read if they can from a newspaper then laugh at themselves .

NOW THAT IS FUNNY . :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[k2w3]

As an IT Consultant, it's feels quite invigorating to be placed in a group alongside criminals and gang members. Who'd have thought, least likely the gang members?

[Pedrostt500]

Mate --WTF is a rocker

FFS get out a copy of Quadraphenia, Mods Vs Rockers

[The Stranger]

fat balding middle aged IT geeks .


No need to single ArcherWC out mate, he's not a bad bloke.

[MSTRS]

FFS get out a copy of Quadraphenia, Mods Vs Rockers

...*sigh*...

[NONONO]

I like this idea,
Odyssey House did something similar with people with alcohol and drug problems (yeah i know, but could be you or yours at anytime).
How about something like'
Picture of a biker.....underneath;
"Joe is heavily involved in drugs, he's an alcohol and drug counselor"
Sharon is involved in criminal activity, she's a policewoman"
Tom is constantly involved in accidents, he's an ambulance driver"
ETC...

[NONONO]

And, of course;
"Nicks a bastard, he's the Minister for ACC"

[Flip]

Well I am a old school 3rd generation kiwi biker. My dad was, my grandfather, bless his sole, raced a douglas on the beach in Nelson and my brother also is.

Nick is just trying to play us for fools.

[Maha]

An off the cuff comment by somebody recently gave me the germ of an idea.
"Bikies"--- nasty smelly fringe of society types or fat balding middle aged IT geeks .

Now what would happen if a protest "parkup" was staged and the bikers concerned were seen as being doctors, nurses fireys,mechanics,shopkeepers etc?
Same as the bikio or the mission bay event.
Getting across the message-"hey we are normal people who choose bikes as a means of transport" AND VOTE

Theres always going to be a few that see bikers as 'Hard arses'.

Last night at the meeting, some of the older National supporters (bless em') got up and left early. Seems they didnt like the tone or direction the meeting was going (fuckin' arsehole bikers) ...anyway, one biker, standing by the outside wall (looked a little rough around the edges) called N Smith a fuckwit after he had finished what he was yelling out. Four oldies got up and left at that stage, one old bloke gave the fingers to the biker dude as he left, right in his face, classic Kodak moment :niceone:

[Grasshopperus]

If this is what the stereo type is of a biker is we got some work to do people. I knew there was a reason for my irational hatred of Dai Henwood.:angry2:

Your hatred of D Henwood is not irrational. He is a talentless hack.


"Bikies"--- nasty smelly fringe of society types or fat balding middle aged IT geeks .

Hey! Stop that! I resemble that remark :rolleyes:

[hedgier1]

The only reason why Dai Henwood takes the piss out of bikers is because hes to scared and too short to ride a bike. And his comedy is shit. Who would hire him with eyebrows like that anyways. Guess he got to try something.

[Kiwi B]

I am often referred to amongst people I know (aka joe public) as a "temporary new zealander' - really pisses me off - WHO ISN'T - we all die at some stage - just some of us die actually living our lives. I make a point of reminding each one that if they drive their "safe" car and assume they will make it home safely everytime they are either fucking ignorant or stupid or both. A lot of people die in cars every week.

I usually get the response that they have a 5 star ENCAP rated car yadayadayada bollocks bollocks. I then remind then that at 100kph the airbags, crumple zones and stability control are using them for protection if they hit a bigger vehicle or solid object. I think it is this ignorance and arrogance amongst most car drivers that is the cause of the 'bikie' label.

They see themselves as "safe as houses and in no danger whatsoever" and they see motorcyclists as "you are fucked, you might as well get the casket sized up now". It always comes as a huge suprise when they are involved in a major accident.

I think Joe Public do just write us off as idoits and maybe they need reminding that there are plenty of 'bikies' out there that are normal people who have ridden for years - my father rode for 30+years, I have for 15 - still alive and kicking!

[FROSTY]

FFS get out a copy of Quadraphenia, Mods Vs Rockers
FFS read the conversation before commenting.
Clearly that was NOT what msstrs was refering to

[k2w3]

Is it true than NCAP/ANCAP/whatever star ratings are based on like-for-like vehicle size impacts? So in other words, a 5-star small car is only "5-star safe" if it hits a similarly sized vehicle. If it hits a larger vehicle, you're knackered. Maybe not as knackered as a lesser-starred small car. I think people see these star ratings and assume they are therefore just as safe in their small car as a larger one.

[MSTRS]

How's this?

[STJim]

How's this?

Excellent Love it it. Should be no worries about the local outlaws taking your colours off you or a prosecution in Wanganui

[FROSTY]

How's this?
Brilliant dude.

[Gremlin]

Whats wrong with being in IT? :crybaby:

Youse fellas seem to ring fast enough when it ain't working :lol:

[StoneY]

Whats wrong with being in IT? :crybaby:

Youse fellas seem to ring fast enough when it ain't working :lol:

A fuckin men bro. We get dissed for being the IT guy but fuck me, when they cant access the Playboy Channel Online were first phone call....gah

[cowboyz]

An off the cuff comment by somebody recently gave me the germ of an idea.
"Bikies"--- nasty smelly fringe of society types or fat balding middle aged IT geeks .

Now what would happen if a protest "parkup" was staged and the bikers concerned were seen as being doctors, nurses fireys,mechanics,shopkeepers etc?
Same as the bikio or the mission bay event.
Getting across the message-"hey we are normal people who choose bikes as a means of transport" AND VOTE


This reminds me of this one time, a self employed builder, a pilot, a vet, a farmer and a web developer walked into a cafe. Damn the looks we got! Funny enough, the owners were the only ones pleased to see us and we always get good service there.


Some of the KB girls have already done a café ride surprising many of the public when they took their helmets off. :niceone:


No disrepect, but no-one heard a thing about it. We need public awareness, and sorry to say options are running out. The media like disruptive, and that is what is required.



How's this?

That is awesome! You taking orders?


A fuckin men bro. We get dissed for being the IT guy but fuck me, when they cant access the Playboy Channel Online were first phone call....gah

Well, we know IT guys dont do jack apart from sit round watching playboy channel so we know you'll know how to get it going.
(wheres the any key?)