TV1 refused interview with Nick

[wingrider]

Just on the midday news. Lead story on bikers levies. Showed peter? from Ulysees on behive steps saying we been sold out. TV1 tried to get an interview with nick and were refused.
Have asked him to reconsider as they consider the public has a right to know whats going on.
To be updated on the 4-30 news

[Ixion]

OK.

That is *very* interesting . Is it online.

Why would Peter Mac think we were "sold out". Did he have expectations of some sort of deal /

Any why would the Nickster refuse an interview?

Is the Nickster in a shit because John Judge refused to follow the script?

Nick and Peter Mac had a deal? But John Judge didn't play ball?

The plot thickens

[Dadpole]

I note that TVNZ still quoted levy going up from $430. Do these people never check anything, or just use copy & paste from ACC and other media sources? :angry2:

[MSTRS]

I note that TVNZ still quoted levy going up from $430. Do these people never check anything, or just use copy & paste from ACC and other media sources? :angry2:

It's the entire education system we are lumbered with. Kids are not taught to think for themselves. Goes right through to tertiary.
"Thinking? That's not in the curriculum."

[Mrs Busa Pete]

OK.

That is *very* interesting . Is it online.

Why would Peter Mac think we were "sold out". Did he have expectations of some sort of deal /

Any why would the Nickster refuse an interview?

Is the Nickster in a shit because John Judge refused to follow the script?

Nick and Peter Mac had a deal? But John Judge didn't play ball?

The plot thickens

I had a thought last night and man did i get a head ache any way.

Wonder if we could get one of the tv chanles to have a live debate with nick /judge and the bikers this could be our chance

[Ixion]

The $430 is "Sort of" correct. It's the base figure before adjustment for fuel levy and "adjustments". Essentially , it's what ACC reckon we *should* be paying this year. Note that ACC years change mid calender year. This is the 2009/10 year.

[Nasty]

The $430 is "Sort of" correct. It's the base figure before adjustment for fuel levy and "adjustments". Essentially , it's what ACC reckon we *should* be paying this year. Note that ACC years change mid calender year. This is the 2009/10 year.

But what they want to charge us does not include fuel levy and "adjustments" ... it appears that they are excluding that from one part and including it in another.

We still have to pay for fuel levies and adjustments whatever the hell they are. ON top of the $750 just to register.

[Ixion]

Yeah, I know. Just explaining where they're getting that $430 number from.

[MSTRS]

The $430 is "Sort of" correct. It's the base figure before adjustment for fuel levy and "adjustments". Essentially , it's what ACC reckon we *should* be paying this year. Note that ACC years change mid calender year. This is the 2009/10 year.

So, what I understand that to mean is that rego levy is $252, and the difference ($178) is the amount we pay through fuel. Based on averages, of course.

[MSTRS]

But the announcement today of a figure of $739 includes fuel levy? How do we seperate the two components to see how much they are still trying to shaft us? Do we take off $178, and end up with $561? As compared to $745...

[mashman]

Yeah, I know. Just explaining where they're getting that $430 number from.

Covered in another thread. $430 is the rego for year 2010/2011 according to http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=113859&page=2

Funny how it went up by $77

[wingrider]

OK.

That is *very* interesting . Is it online.

Why would Peter Mac think we were "sold out". Did he have expectations of some sort of deal /

Any why would the Nickster refuse an interview?

Is the Nickster in a shit because John Judge refused to follow the script?

Nick and Peter Mac had a deal? But John Judge didn't play ball?

The plot thickens

Peter made the point of 5000 bikers protesting at the beehive, making submissions etc and we have not been listned to.
TV1 made the point as to the very little reduction in levies.

They ( in their words) got a very testy reception when they asked his office for the interview. Got told he was still looking at the recomendations and wasnt prepared to comment at this stage.

Overall they painted a pretty nasty picture of Nick ( first time) and said there are some really angry people out there.

[Nasty]

But the announcement today of a figure of $731 includes fuel levy? How do we seperate the two components to see how much they are still trying to shaft us? Do we take off $178, and end up with $553? As compared to $745...

How confusing ... this is an earlier post I did when the reg went up this year.


My god .. went warrented and registered my bike this morning ... warrent fine ... $32 - checked by a rider ... at VTNZ in porirua

Registration ... OMG

$321.24

Made up from $24.50 Licence fee $1.64 other levies, $6.72 administration ACC $252.69 - gst $35.69

Farking hell ... I know ACC did ok looking out for me when Grub died in an accident ... but shite that is almost the cost of last years reg on its own!

[Mystic13]

It's the entire education system we are lumbered with. Kids are not taught to think for themselves. Goes right through to tertiary.
"Thinking? That's not in the curriculum."

Nope. Our kids have grown up in the "cut and paste" generation and where spelling isn't important because they all have "spellchecker".

A young teacher at school responded to being asked how to spell a word by saying "I don't know, I'm from the spellcheck generation."

And before you complain too loudly about education you should also remember that a certain fastfood company entered the market and trained NZer's to drink out of straws. Something I still refuse to do.

As for ACC it's nice to know they're doing the full consult reading everything we send in and listening to what we say and then realising they haven't convinced us yet and therefore they need to explain again why their proposal is fair. You'd think at some point they engage the brain and listen.

My fear is they're run by Government employees who would go to their death defending an error rather than admit they made errors. They're as bad as 5 year olds.

Keith McFlea should be removed from ACC.

[MSTRS]

Covered in another thread. $430 is the rego for year 2010/2011 according the ACC site! Funny how it went up by $77

Hmmm...

The average rate for cars (including the levy on petrol) will surge from $287 to $352.19 a year.

Lobbying by motorcyclists, including a 5000-strong rally at Parliament last month, failed to change the ACC's plan to cut the cross-subsidies for motorcyclists, chairman John Judge said.

"We don't see any policy reason why motor vehicles as a whole should be subsidising motorcyclists."

However, a change in assumptions had trimmed the recommended increase and that could drop further if ACC Minister Nick Smith decides, as signalled, to moderate the rise.

Figures released yesterday show the ACC's final recommendation would see the levy on moped owners rise from $100 a year now to $247.22.

The cost for motorbikes bigger than 600cc would rise from $430.54 to $739.32, but that is down on the $781.12 originally suggested by the ACC. It would fall to $659.26 once the law change was in place.
From here (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3111969/Bikers-ACC-levy-lift-pared-back)
Someone, somewhere has their wires crossed. It is this type of misinformation that makes it really hard to know the bottom line. The public just turn off when we try to draw attention to it.

[Reckless]

Just on the midday news. Lead story on bikers levies. Showed peter? from Ulysees on behive steps saying we been sold out. TV1 tried to get an interview with nick and were refused.
Have asked him to reconsider as they consider the public has a right to know whats going on.
To be updated on the 4-30 news

Any luck with a link I can't find one on their site?

[MSTRS]

Nope. Our kids have grown up in the "cut and paste" generation and where spelling isn't important because they all have "spellchecker".

A young teacher at school responded to being asked how to spell a word by saying "I don't know, I'm from the spellcheck generation."

And before you complain too loudly about education you should also remember that a certain fastfood company entered the market and trained NZer's to drink out of straws. Something I still refuse to do.

As for ACC it's nice to know they're doing the full consult reading everything we send in and listening to what we say and then realising they haven't convinced us yet and therefore they need to explain again why their proposal is fair. You'd think at some point they engage the brain and listen.

My fear is they're run by Government employees who would go to their death defending an error rather than admit they made errors. They're as bad as 5 year olds.

Keith McFlea should be removed from ACC.

Nope? But we agree. Cut'n'Paste isn't thinking. Spellcheck isn't thinking.
But straws were here long before McD...aren't you old enough to remember school milk? Spiders at the local milkbar?
However, we also agree on the rest, especially on your last line.
Edit...I did use cut'n'paste, but spellcheck? po

[RiderInBlack]

Covered in another thread. $430 is the rego for year 2010/2011 according to http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=113859&page=2

Funny how it went up by $77You will find that $430.54 is the rego for this coming year 2009/2010. We have alreadly been done over and getting done over again big time for 2010/2011 year. Wake-up and fight NZ.

[gwigs]

Heres the link people
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/acc-still-pushing-levy-hikes-3209862/video

[mashman]

Just spoke to the company CFO, just to get his views, feelings etc... When I started asking questions about how this could affect their employees potential hike of 700 bucks per year), he walked away. I was kinda surprised as we discussed it in front of about 20 people!!! then again though, that kinda illustrates the point... fuckin bean counters... he's alright jack!

[Ixion]

Hm. Watched it. Good that they made the point about "The Minister promising reductions - these hardly count etc ". makes Nick look like he's going back on a commitment (which in fairness isn't entirely so)

What's with Peter Mac with "*we* had 500 bikers.." . Who had ? Seems I remember that Peter Mac was totally opposed to the BIKEOI and predicted it would be carnage and chaos. Now suddenly it's "*we* had".

Also, he must be pretty naive if he DIDN'T expect to be ignored

However.

It really is unlike the Nickster not to front up. He has his faults but pusillanimity is not one of them. I wonder if he has been muzzled - "Nick,. stop tipping petrol on the fire".

[scissorhands]

Maybe a sudden benefactor has appeared from behind the scenes. The media seem to be on our side since last night

Maybe the message 'whos next' has fallen on fertile ground...

[Squiggles]

Interesting...

[Ronin]

Maybe a sudden benefactor has appeared from behind the scenes. The media seem to be on our side since last night

Maybe the message 'whos next' has fallen on fertile ground...

Benefactor my bum. I think they smell blood.

I thought the statement this morning from John Judge Dredd was, when read between the lines quite provocative.

I have always thought that when The Chairman starts into the argument rather than the CEO that the fun is about to start.

[mashman]

You will find that $430.54 is the rego for this coming year 2009/2010. We have alreadly been done over and getting done over again big time for 2010/2011 year. Wake-up and fight NZ.

DOH!!! cheers for pointing out the typo!!!



Maybe the message 'whos next' has fallen on fertile ground...


If looking a the faces in the office are anything to go by, i'm thinking more along the lines of hostile rock! they just don't seem to care... which i find odd!

[Reckless]

What's with Peter Mac with "*we* had 5000 bikers.." . Who had ? Seems I remember that Peter Mac was totally opposed to the BIKEOI and predicted it would be carnage and chaos. Now suddenly it's "*we* had".

Go easy Les we know it was your show! But I also refer to all the events I go to as *we had* even the big one I couldn't go on I still refer to as *we went* the reference is more to being a group I think? If he's changing his stance that may be a good thing for the cause overall!



It really is unlike the Nickster not to front up. He has his faults but pusillanimity is not one of them. I wonder if he has been muzzled - "Nick,. stop tipping petrol on the fire".

Yes interesting! Maybe you are right in your approach Les, and we are making progress. Keep up the good work I'll turn up as much as I can. When is the PM due back LOL!!

[Mully]

I always picture Smithy like the Monty Pythons guys in battle:

"Charge!! Run away! Run away!"

Dunno why

[Ixion]

Benefactor my bum. I think they smell blood.

I thought the statement this morning from John Judge Dredd was, when read between the lines quite provocative.

I have always thought that when The Chairman starts into the argument rather than the CEO that the fun is about to start.

Definitely crossing the line. Who OWNS ACC is a matter for Parliament. JJ is pushing Nick Smith. He's playing hardball.

Whether Nick is being set up to be the fall guy, or whether Nick si setting JJ up for ditto, interesting question

[Ixion]

Go easy Les we know it was your show! But I also refer to all the events I go to as *we had* even the big one I couldn't go on I still refer to as *we went* the reference is more to being a group I think? If he's changing his stance that may be a good thing for the cause overall!





Quite right, water under the bridge. If Ulysses are over the line now , that's what matters.

And if Peter Mac disowns any understanding with Nick, that leave Nick without a sponsor for his "ACC levy rebranded as a safety contribution" idea. (though the idea itself is not entirely without merit)

[Ronin]

Definitely crossing the line. Who OWNS ACC is a matter for Parliament. JJ is pushing Nick Smith. He's playing hardball.

Whether Nick is being set up to be the fall guy, or whether Nick si setting JJ up for ditto, interesting question

Thats the one. Remember the pundits are picking that ACC Insurance will probably eventually be sold to Australian interests. JJ is on the board of an Australian bank.....

[Swoop]

It really is unlike the Nickster not to front up. He has his faults but pusillanimity is not one of them. I wonder if he has been muzzled...
He probably has a hangover...:clap:

[Brian d marge]

What's with Peter Mac with "*we* had 500 bikers.." . Who had ? Seems I remember that Peter Mac was totally opposed to the BIKEOI and predicted it would be carnage and chaos. Now suddenly it's "*we* had".

".

thats what I said in the other thread

Is that the same person as the Ulysses ' a few more SS cos Im from cut and paste land )

Stephen

[MSTRS]

Quite right, water under the bridge. If Ulysses are over the line now , that's what matters.

And if Peter Mac disowns any understanding with Nick, that leave Nick without a sponsor for his "ACC levy rebranded as a safety contribution" idea. (though the idea itself is not entirely without merit)

You do realise that no matter how palatable the idea might be, using the increase for safety initiatives, that the word of a Polly is anathema to the truth?
If we are sold on accepting an increase on the safety-thing, we're fucked. And never a penny of it will be spent on safety.

[Ixion]

I agree, which is why I am pleased that Peter Mac has confirmed (IIUC) that he has not given any indicatioon of approval.

It seems quite perverse to pay a special levy to ACC for safety purposes when that is the entire purpose of ACC. Not to mention that since the safety levy wouldn't be included in their calculations, they would still claim we didn't pay enough.

Only one reasonable way. One rule, one levy, one cover for all private passenger vehicles.

Actually that's a god slogan for the battle going forward - One rule, one levy , one cover.

But the general principle of a significantly higher funding for motorcycle injury prevention is one that we support in principle.

[MSTRS]

But the general principle of a significantly higher funding for motorcycle injury prevention is one that we support in principle.

I don't. Your slogan is good, and all we need. Let ACC spend (a miniscule amount in the overall scheme of things) on a safety/awareness campaign upfront. For a year or two. If there is no associated drop in biker injuries etc, then we can revisit the levy level question.

[gwigs]

I agree, which is why I am pleased that Peter Mac has confirmed (IIUC) that he has not given any indicatioon of approval.

It seems quite perverse to pay a special levy to ACC for safety purposes when that is the entire purpose of ACC. Not to mention that since the safety levy wouldn't be included in their calculations, they would still claim we didn't pay enough.

Only one reasonable way. One rule, one levy, one cover for all private passenger vehicles.

Actually that's a god slogan for the battle going forward - One rule, one levy , one cover.

But the general principle of a significantly higher funding for motorcycle injury prevention is one that we support in principle.

That slogan does sound good ...probably better than bullshit,bullshit,bullshit
Though I like that one too.

[DidJit]

Actually that's a god slogan for the battle going forward - One rule, one levy, one cover, one ring to rule them all.

Sauron?!?

Just kidding. ;)

“One rule, one levy, one cover for all private passenger vehicles.” is a good slogan.

[DidJit]

“One rule, one levy, one cover for all private motor vehicles.”

Just thinking, wouldn't that be better? There's a few Ducs that probably don't really cut it as passenger vehicles...

[Bald Eagle]

“One rule, one levy, one cover for all private motor vehicles.”

Just thinking, wouldn't that be better? There's a few Ducs that probably don't really cut it as passenger vehicles...

and maybe the odd buell .. oops wrong thread

[phred]

Actually that's a god slogan for the battle going forward - One rule, one levy , one cover.



Oh Shit, - Ein Reich Ein Volk Ein Fuhrer

[k2w3]

Yeah, but work sets you free.

[Ixion]

Oh Shit, - Ein Reich Ein Volk Ein Fuhrer

Actually I was thinking more, like, 'one levy to rule them all, one levy to find them and in the darkness bind them'

[NakiNinja]

This just in. Just after Nick Smith is said to have refused an interview with TV1 regarding the ACC levies... He magically fronts up on Close Up, live feed direct from Auckland airport.

He appears after hearing the TV1 news article about ACC denying to pay the dentist $3000 bill for the elderly war veteran who got badly beaten outside an RSA. He agrees that this was unfair and that he would ensure that ACC would pay this full bill.

Well you know what else isnt fair Nick? Not fronting up to face your enemy face to face.

I say rather than doing a protest ride, we kidnap him, sell him off to the highest bidder on the black market, and donate the money to charity. Hopefully the mongrel mob wins the bid.

[gwigs]

It seems that nick smith does have some power over ACC,he said on close up that he could instruct ACC to pay out the for the old gentlemans teeth.
Maybe I have it wrong but he seemed tobe saying at the National party conference last night that he had no control over ACC.
Slimy prick (this will make me look like good guy helping out the old man)
Like I believe he cares .Only fronts up to the media when it suits.
We need to hound this prick..where ever he is having public meetings
there should be as many bikers protesting as possible,he needs to wish we would go away which we wont.
Watching him on tv I had steaming coming out my ears and my angry glands were swollen. :angry2::angry2:

[Ixion]

Yes, yes, but WHY is a battle ahrdened veteran like Nick Smith refusing to front up to the media? AND -- ACC refuse also!

This is almost unprecedented , a major announcement on a controversial issue and the Minsiter won't front.

And I don't believe Nick wouldn't be up for it, he doesn't lack guts.

I'm guessing he's been told to go to ground.

[AD345]

Actually I was thinking more, like, 'one levy to rule them all, one levy to find them and in the darkness bind them'

Yesssssssssss

Just on that (it's quite hard to type while snickering so bear with me), I have an untold tale from the Bikeoi!

It would seem that our friend Ixion is quite the LOTR fan - and sometimes it carries him away just a smidge.

As we were all gathered at the Papakura BP ready to depart on our epic voyage to Mordor........uhhh.... Wellington.... our trusted leader trumpeted out:

Boots and saddle my friends! - We ride in 5!!

I just about snorted my coffee out my nose

You really should come round home mate and watch my love's complete collectors editions.................but I suspect you already have 'em

[Ms Piggy]

TV1 tried to get an interview with nick and were refused.
Snick Myth and 8 other MP's have refused to be interviewed on Campbell Live recently regarding various issues. They're hiding!!

[Hanne]

"ACC declined to comment but gave an illustration of why the levies must go up":


If a middle aged biker earning $80,000 a year breaks his back in a motorbike crash, the cost of care for the first three years is estimated at nearly $800,000, rising to over $4 million over his lifetime.

That is to cover the cost of spinal unit rehabilitation, home and child help and income compensation.

See full story here (http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/bikers-vow-keep-fighting-acc-hikes-3209862)

ACC are using the ERC argument to back up the increases. They have just outright admitted it. 40% of all expenditure form the Motor Vehicle Account goes towards ERC (thank you Nick, 30/11/09). So if it is earning replacement that is the problem why is the burden being targeted towards
a) motorcyclists and
b) specifically those 600cc+
??????
ERC is still paid out in car accidents/ work place accidents etc.

If ERC is their main argument (and there was talk of discounts for pensioners) then wow, all of us uni bikers who are just starting out should also have a discount too, right? 80% of minimum wage does not even figure when placed next to figures like $800,000.

[Squiggles]

It also starts to make a mockery of discounts for newer vehicles, they're more expensive and you'll need to be making more $$ to buy em, safety features wont move the cliff...

[Katman]

Go easy Les we know it was your show!

Really???? Whose show?????

How about you try 'our' show.




(Note for the dummies - 'our' as in all motorcyclists.)

[mashman]

Will 4WD's be next?

What for, they drink fuel like they're going out of fashion, bringing in much needed fuel tax and soon an extra 1.7c per litre for ACC Levy... Much easier to price those idiots that drive fuel efficient vehicles off the road, say motorbikes, and into their gas guzzling cars!!! $$$$$$$

[Reckless]

Really???? Whose show?????

How about you try 'our' show.




(Note for the dummies - 'our' as in all motorcyclists.)

LOL!!! Don't we just get sick of this Crapman stuff!
Your just picking out selected words to be combative again, your game simply bores me!


Your show, our show, my show! Who gives a shit.
Your post just minimizes all the hard work Ixion and all his helpers a put in to make the Bikoi the resounding success it was, and thats simply not fair.
I'm happy with "his show"

[MSTRS]

'His show' ??
Certainly is. Without him to guide us, we are just a load of upset bikers, running around in circles, with no direction.
And he is only doing what we 'agree' to and what others are unable to organise.

[Reckless]

'His show' ??
Certainly is. Without him to guide us, we are just a load of upset bikers, running around in circles, with no direction.
And he is only doing what we 'agree' to and what others are unable to organise.

I agree MSTRS!
My post wasn't abusive was it? He just red repped me! LOL!! Apparently I'm a retard. LOL!! Only got 3 reds 2 from guess who! :love:
Ah well such is life its a wonderful game we play.

[Katman]

I agree MSTRS!
My post wasn't abusive was it? He just red repped me! LOL!! Apparently I'm a retard. LOL!! Only got 3 reds 2 from guess who! :love:
Ah well such is life its a wonderful game we play.

:crybaby:<hgvhgvhjv>

[mashman]

I agree MSTRS!
My post wasn't abusive was it? He just red repped me! LOL!! Apparently I'm a retard. LOL!! Only got 3 reds 2 from guess who! :love:
Ah well such is life its a wonderful game we play.

Counteracted with green stuff :msn-wink:

[Reckless]

Counteracted with green stuff :msn-wink:

I wasn't asking for green mash! I haven't even posted red back. Water off a ducks back mate LOL!!!

[Hanne]

We red bling, we green bling, the minister is still hiding.....

[MSTRS]

Let's just put some balance into this, as well.
It might be Ixion's 'show'....but he can't do it without us. So in that regard the show belongs to all of us.
:jerry:

[Reckless]

yep I agree mate! But I think everyone knows what I meant.
The rest is just all a bit silly. Sometimes its hard when your poked not to respond and get drawn into that stupid game which seems to give so much reward to some??
Waisted enough time on it now so I'll leave it for others to judge! LOL!!!
Cheers.

[Katman]

BRONZ is not the only organisation involved in this protest movement.

Nothing will drive a wedge between us faster than if we start pampering any one individuals ego.

[Reckless]

Nothing will drive a wedge between us faster than if we start pampering any one individuals ego.

Wrong!!
I haven't witnessed any ego whatsoever from Ixion! Quite the opposite after his "water under the bridge" posts, very humble, HE puts the cause first!
Jeepers how far out of reality are you! Nothing will drive a wedge between us faster than you picking individual words out of posts and turning them into Issues that don't need to be there!!

OH fuck I've done it again LOL!! Bought in!

But you will have the last word you just have to!

[mashman]

BRONZ is not the only organisation involved in this protest movement.

Nothing will drive a wedge between us faster than if we start pampering any one individuals ego.

So you're saying it's all me me me! Seriously, i understand why you're pissed at those that crash their bikes, albeit I don't agree, but saying things like "Nothing will drive a wedge between us faster than if we start pampering any one individuals ego." shows a certain level of ignorance...

I for one am hugely relieved that Ixion, Nasty, Piggy, that little fuckin ginger dude et al are there. They get emotive about an issue that's close to all of our hearts and essentially share 90% of the views in regards to the way forwards... Why so sad Katman?

ha ha ha haaaaaaa @Reckless!!!! dude, back awaaaaaaaay from the keyboard, don't make eye contact, it won't come and getya in ya sleep... i promise...

[gwigs]

Wrong!!
I haven't witnessed any ego whatsoever from Ixion! Quite the opposite after his "water under the bridge" posts, very humble, HE puts the cause first!
Jeepers how far out of reality are you! Nothing will drive a wedge between us faster than you picking individual words out of posts and turning them into Issues that don't need to be there!!

OH fuck I've done it again LOL!! Bought in!

But you will have the last word you just have to!

He lives at the Gates of Delirium...

[OV Lander]

.....Made up from $24.50 Licence fee $1.64 other levies, $6.72 administration ACC $252.69 - gst $35.69.....

What gets me is that they even have the cheek to charge GST on the Levies, sorry, I mean 'taxes'!

BTW - what is the difference between a 'tax' and a 'levy'? Is either of them not compulsory?