Nick Smith's lies

[Bend-it]

Can we have a list of them here? and a photoshop expert to pinocchio-ise him (i.e. add a long nose)?

Would make a good protest poster... :)

Something like this, attached here... but abit flasher, with a proper nose job and say 3 more lies...

[Maha]

''Those are not my figures''

[AllanB]

"I've got a 6 inch whanger"

[Squiggles]

What was the line on heavy bikes?

[NONONO]

It 's not my fault.
It wasn't me
I'm in charge.
You haven't seen me, right?

[StoneY]

I have heard your message

Yeah Right

[paddy]

. . .Something like this, attached here... but abit flasher, with a proper nose job and say 3 more lies...

5. Cagiva's are very reliable and easy to get parts for. :-)

Seriously though, I think this would probably be one of the better pieces of paper propaganda that we could be spreading to the general public. It would be great if a commercial sponsor would consider paying for newspaper inches to that we could publish it widely. I can also see the value in passing this to reporters etc. in the hope of free media coverage. Bravo. Now how do we distribute it?

[peasea]

"I've got a 6 inch whanger"

You lucky bastard.

[Deano]

Oh, that's good.

[peasea]

I have heard your message

Yeah Right

Off with his head.

So much for being nice.

[peasea]

What was the line on heavy bikes?

A 'racing' line apparently.

Or was it a line of 'speed'?

Bwahahaha.

[nothingflash]

"I've got a 6 inch whanger"

I have a whanger.

[peasea]

I have a whanger.

I have a bike over 600cc and I'm not fuckin' happy.

I am now up for some 'activity'.

Fuck Smith, fuck ACC, talk time is over.

I'm off to do something radical.

(Ummm, errr:devil2:)

[Bend-it]

Okay, new one up... Feel free to use for flyers or any propoganda...

[Hanne]

Heavier bikes are more dangerous/ increase the risk of an accident?

Something along those lines...
We need someone who can write shorthand to come along to these events ><

[Taz]

It shouldn't read "An Suzuki DR650" It should read "A Suzuki DR650"

Just saying :whistle:

[mashman]

Heavier bikes are more dangerous/ increase the risk of an accident?

Something along those lines...
We need someone who can write shorthand to come along to these events ><

Dictaphone?

[Hanne]

Do you need permission to record with one of those?

[MSTRS]

ACC is bankrupt.
We made a profit of only $1.2B in our just-out report.

[mashman]

Do you need permission to record with one of those?

Christ knows. You'd only say no for deniability, as the written word isn't worth shit these days print away!!!

[skidMark]

With the amount he lies we could have a novel to hand out.

I liked the one i saw...

regarding biker ACC: "we have figures from the last 10 years which we know are accurate"

a week later regarding global warming: "we cannot go off some of these figures as they are up to 10 years old and are too dated to be accurate"

hang on?

[skidMark]

ACC is bankrupt.
We made a profit of only $1.2B in our just-out report.


Why is what is effectively a government department.... making profit?

[skidMark]

Do you need permission to record with one of those?


no if its spoken in public you can record whatever the hell you want and share it with the world.

[FastBikeGear]

ACC is bankrupt.
We made a profit of only $1.2B in our just-out report.

Yes but due to changes in future liability planning/accounting methodologies your liabilities just went through the roof.

[Bend-it]

It shouldn't read "An Suzuki DR650" It should read "A Suzuki DR650"

Just saying :whistle:

Amended... thanks!

Feel free to use wherever you want and spread it far and wide... amend it, chop and change, new wording, further defacement etc... all fair game...

Human knowlegde belongs to the world!!

;)

[FastBikeGear]

We need someone who can write shorthand to come along to these events ><

No we need to all take our video cameras.

[Dealer]

How much does a billboard cost to rent in Auckland?
I would be willing to contribute $10 or $20 towards advertising.
What about a half page spread in the herald?

[bogan]

I dont quite understand the bronz meeting one?

Also, you should put what the dr650 and r6 weight comparitively as well. A good effort, having that lying douchebag on my screen just for the time it took to read the flyer sickened me!

[Hanne]

Yeah include weight, if only to rebut Nick Smith's claims about weight = dangerous. (Dr in 600+ category but lighter, R6 apparently "safer".... TUI billboard :D:D)

[MSTRS]

Why is what is effectively a government department.... making profit?

Because they collect more in levies and from investments than they spend. The difference is the profit. This profit is to be used in future payments of ongoing claims from accidents occurring in any year from here on. What they call 'fully funded'. This most recent profit will be much less than it might otherwise have been because of the recession. Extrapolate that (as a minimum) profit each year into the future and it will take approx 13 years to amass enough money to sustain the fully funded model. Nick the Dick wants to achieve that status by 2014 (or 2019 at latest) so he needs more now. That's why he says ACC is broke.
We say that we (and the rest of NZ) don't want the fully funded model. We were very happy with the original scheme that collected enough year by year to pay all new and current claims in that year, with a bit left over to offset inflation.
Fully funding is just maybe a better way to go, but not at the expense of us, with huge levies being applied in all areas of collection. The current rate/s (with that profit of $1.2B) should be sufficient, and will achieve the fully funded model. It will just take a little longer than 5 years.
Here endeth the lesson.
And apologies to any that didn't need it. :shit:

[bogan]

... Nick the Dick wants to achieve that status by 2014 (or 2019 at latest) so he needs more now. That's why he says ACC is broke....

this may be a bit :Offtopic: but why the need for a fully funded model so soon, I realise the population demographic is skewed towards a large number of retired people sometime in the future, but this is the motor vehicle account we are talking bout, most retired people still use cars so still pay levies, its only the earners levy that will go down. And 5 years, wtf, as you say, in 13 it could be fully funded anyway with NO changes, thats a message we should be getting out there :niceone:

[FastBikeGear]

Can we have a list of them here? and a photoshop expert to pinocchio-ise him (i.e. add a long nose)?

Would make a good protest poster... :)

Something like this, attached here... but abit flasher, with a proper nose job and say 3 more lies...
Brilliant! Love it!

Here's some more ideas



Nick-occhio's Lies

1.Nick Smith says insurance companies recognise the risks “It costs 3 to 4 times as much to insure a bike.”
This is simply not true. While there are many variables in each individuals insurance costs, and types of insurance cover a recent survey (http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AkwerZ2oCakTdHd2RXQ1Vkk5dFZsMXUyV19vaEwwM Gc&hl=en) shows in most cases third party only insurance on a motorcycle is cheaper than third party insurance on a car of similar value and full party insurance is often a similar cost. In no cases did it cost 3-4 times more to insure a bike.

2."Ulysses Motor cycle club have agreed to accept ACC increases"
"The Ulysses Club categorically denies that it has entered into any agreement with ACC or Minister Smith over ACC levies and road safety programmes as apparently suggested by Dr Smith recently. We are absolutely against the outrageous levy rises still being put forward by ACC and are committed to working with other clubs and organisations to fight their implementation.” Peter McIntosh, Ulysses Nat. President.

3."Bronz turned down meeting to discuss accident prevention."
Subsequently "Les, I owe you an apology regarding your statement about BRONZ’s attitude to participating in improved programmes for motorcycle injury prevention...Your email of 18 November was one of the many hundreds my office has received on motorcycles and was in the process of having a response prepared. I had not yet seen it."

4."Bikes with higher cc rating cost more, go faster and weigh more".
Nick has failed to demonstrate he can substantiate this claim. Aanalyses of New Zealand crash statistics shows the opposite. New riders on smaller capacity bikes cost ACC more. Overseas reports such as this one (http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/automotive/files/consultation/2_3_wheelers/uk_en.pdf) also fail to substantiate Nick's assertion.

4."Motorcyclists are 16 times more likely to be injured".
Again Nick has failed to demonstrate he can substantiate this claim. He has now been forced to revise this arbitary assertion to say Motorcyclists are 16 times more likely to be injured per kilometre travelled. Statistics show that the average motorcycle in N.Z. travels between 1/3 and 1/4 of the mileage of the typical car each year. Nicks statement is 300%-400% misleading.

6.Nick Smith thinks he presents a lower financial risk than motorcylists to ACC.
ACC pays out 80% of your salary in earnings replacement compensation. As ACC is now using a fully funded model ERC makes up a huge proportion of ACCs liabilities. Nick Smith and John Key are in the top percentile of earners. John Judge, CEO or ACC says that it is unfair that every motorist in New Zealand is subsidising the risk they present.



It seems if you assert it repeatedly & confidentally you can only fool some of the people some of the time!

[mashman]

BUT NOONE IS LISTENING... not hard to fool those that don't know

[phred]

I am not interested having John Keys job

[mashman]

I am not interested having John Keys job

I'll take it!

[FastBikeGear]

I'll take it!

Yeah but I am not willing to subsidise your ERC with my ACC levies. BTW who's paying your ACC motor vehicle account levy being chauffered around in that ministerial car you bludger?

[Mully]

why the need for a fully funded model so soon

Cos otherwise they can't charge bikes more now. Duh!!


I am not interested having John Keys job


I'll take it!

I actually had this discussion with someone recently. We decided that you don't want the PM or a Minister's job. You want to be a backbench list MP.

- You still get a big pile of money (not as big, obviously. But still pretty big)
- You don't answer to an electorate directly
- No-one knows who you are (until Dpex starts stalking your office over ACC levies)

[glegge]

this is awesome, i have printed it and put it on the staff notice board, i suggest if we all do it, then at least everyone, bikers and non bikers - can see whats happening. it's all about getting the message out to everyone ay

[Blue TLS]

All good but we need to shift the focus away from motorcycles and into the overall acc picture top of the list being their assertion that acc is broke and needs to lift rates countered by the fact that they made a massive profit last year and paid a big dividend to the govt

[mashman]

Yeah but I am not willing to subsidise your ERC with my ACC levies. BTW who's paying your ACC motor vehicle account levy being chauffered around in that ministerial car you bludger?

I haven't got the job yet, but will answer your question in full once i have the FACTS in my hand... In the meantime, you can still talk to my hand!!!

If we're not allowed in to expose the lies, i may as well run for Prime Minister...

[Bend-it]

Yeah include weight, if only to rebut Nick Smith's claims about weight = dangerous. (Dr in 600+ category but lighter, R6 apparently "safer".... TUI billboard :D:D)


Brilliant! Love it!

Here's some more ideas



Nick-occhio's Lies

1.Nick Smith says insurance companies recognise the risks “It costs 3 to 4 times as much to insure a bike.”
This is simply not true. While there are many variables in each individuals insurance costs, and types of insurance cover a recent survey (http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AkwerZ2oCakTdHd2RXQ1Vkk5dFZsMXUyV19vaEwwM Gc&hl=en) shows in most cases third party only insurance on a motorcycle is cheaper than third party insurance on a car of similar value and full party insurance is often a similar cost. In no cases did it cost 3-4 times more to insure a bike.


Done... new one on original post! :)

[mashman]

I actually had this discussion with someone recently. We decided that you don't want the PM or a Minister's job. You want to be a backbench list MP.

- You still get a big pile of money (not as big, obviously. But still pretty big)
- You don't answer to an electorate directly
- No-one knows who you are (until Dpex starts stalking your office over ACC levies)

Noooooooo, i want the Big job... Best way to find out what folk want (surely the whole point of the job)... Dpex would be welcome and would hopefully channel his passion into keeping the backbenchers awake and listening to what's going on instead of counting $$$$ on the inside of their eyelids!