The Daktory - West Auckland Cannabis Social Club

[scissorhands]

http://thedaktory.org.nz/

Is a great place to hang out with other cannabis smokers in a safe, social environment. There is a pool table, ping pong and darts and membership is $5 a visit or $20 for the month.

The place is most probably monitored by the police, but has been operating for over a year now. Norml supports The Daktory and a recent protest they had lighting up for near an hour, on the steps of the Henderson District Courts.

[Tank]

Im glad now that police can test you for drugs as well as alcohol.

fuckers shouldnt be on the road stoned.

Walking home - I have no isses.

[scissorhands]

No one has ever died smoking cannabis, no matter how much they consume.

Most drivers slow down when stoned, not like caffeine loaded drivers...

Rant and Rave forum presently appears to glorify alcohol, relative to alcohol should a benign substance such as cannabis be vilified?

[avgas]

No one has ever died smoking cannabis, no matter how much they consume.
Or chewing lead

In fact very few people have died riding a motorbike. With the exception of those that have lost their heads and kept riding.

However I don't think weed should be illegal - shitloads of other ways for people to do stupid things that are legal. At least with weed if they have a good session they cant find their keys for a few hours. Making weed illegal is as pointless as the anti-smacking law - saves no one, restricts everyone.

Life is all about what you do, not what you don't.

[Tank]

No one has ever died smoking cannabis, no matter how much they consume.

Most drivers slow down when stoned, not like caffeine loaded drivers...


I wasnt arguing that it kills people. I have no issue with it as a drug at all.

BUT - I know it fucks your reactions - and that makes you a danger on the roads - and that is what can kill people.

[george formby]

Each to their own but keep it off the road. It's bad enough driving or riding tired let alone under the influence. Education not legislation, I hate looking over my shoulder just because I want chill out.

[scissorhands]

I wasnt arguing that it kills people. I have no issue with it as a drug at all.

BUT - I know it fucks your reactions - and that makes you a danger on the roads - and that is what can kill people.

I agree. Yet slow minded elderly and drongos are allowed to drive....

[george formby]

I agree. Yet slow minded elderly and drongos are allowed to drive....

Many of them at the Daktory?:laugh:

Off topic i know but you have just hit one of my pet hates. Slow people should not drive fast cars, well pretty much anything really. Bring on the driverless car!!!
Was the daktory featured in the paper a while ago? Police stated nobody had complained so no reason to check it out..

[scissorhands]

No sure re newspaper feature, I'm not a cannabis law reform stalwart.

But from what I understand, the industrial area neighbours are cool with it and the cops plan to leave everyone in peace. That could change, but I believe The Daktory management have been at a round table with police and spoken reasonably.

Dakta Green (everyone there has a Dakta name...) is partly responsible for legalizing weekend trading and gambling in NZ, during the 70's. He's been involved with social activism for a while now.

[SMOKEU]

Im glad now that police can test you for drugs as well as alcohol.


Drug testing drivers is a stupid idea because it doesn't prove that the driver was under the influence at the time.

[Indiana_Jones]

Sounds like a good group, makes the pigs job all that much easier so they can get back to dealing with real crime, like speeding

-Indy

[Usarka]

Do they sell twisties and tubs of orange choc chip ice cream :drool:

[Tank]

Drug testing drivers is a stupid idea because it doesn't prove that the driver was under the influence at the time.

You perfer no disincentive to stop driving under the influence of drugs?

I hate the thought of fuckers out of their brains on P, or chill-laxed after a few spliffs driving towards me or my wife / kids.


Fuck 'em I say. Test away and get them off the roads. Dont like it - dont do drugs, or dont drive.

[Tank]

Drug testing drivers is a stupid idea because it doesn't prove that the driver was under the influence at the time.

And it seems that you are wrong also ...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/eastern-courier/3099355/Law-busts-drug-drivers

[Dodgyiti]

Typical, it had to be in West Auckland.

Ah well, it's better than the bloody meth they all seem to be on.:2guns:

[scissorhands]

You perfer no disincentive to stop driving under the influence of drugs?

I hate the thought of fuckers out of their brains on P, or chill-laxed after a few spliffs driving towards me or my wife / kids.


Fuck 'em I say. Test away and get them off the roads. Dont like it - dont do drugs, or dont drive.

To make the roads really safe, we could test for excess caffiene, anger or limit vehicle power too??

From what I've seen with my own eyes, being around heavier users, very young and older stoners at The Daktory.... coordination and logical rationale seem to be absolutely fine for normal driving, with those drivers accustomed to the effects of grass, who are moderate. My pool game is now the best its ever been....and my table tennis is pretty mean. I'd say after 2 or 3 beers, neither my pool or ping pong would be very good, yet I could be under the limit for alcohol.

Most people do drive with some alcohol in their system. Having some cannabis in the system is probably less dangerous, especially as you could very well drive slower, with less aggression towards other road users.

Yet the prohibitionists would probably disagree.

[Tank]

Most people do drive with some alcohol in their system. Having some cannabis in the system is probably less dangerous, especially as you could very well drive slower, with less aggression towards other road users.

Yet the prohibitionists would probably disagree.

I'm not a prohibitionists - but - here is a simply question - why do they drive slower?

Nothing to do with being impared or anything?

Also remember that the drug testing is going to get P heads off the road as well.

Im sure that the stoners will probally disagree - and I hope that they dont end up having to change their mind after a tragic accident.

[scissorhands]

I just think its a moot point.

Powerful vehicles, new car ads, 5th gear, motor racing on TV, lack of youth training, alcohol, coffee, anger, ill health and age, emotional problems, congestion frustration...all cause accidents and death on the roads.

I personally know a shit load of long term and high use stoners, NZ is full of them. Accident stats from my friends and acquaintances is very very low. I swear on my pharmacist grandmothers grave....

The recent testing program has begun at a time when National Party MP's all got bullied into voting 100% against the medical marijuana legislation. As much of it is to do with road safety, much more is to do with prohibition and alcohol tax.

No P no alcohol no dogs @ The Daktory

From what I've seen, ability to drive depends on how accustomed to cannabis the user is. I would never drive boozed but I would drive after a beer or two. Same with cannabis

[avgas]

Typical, it had to be in West Auckland.

Ah well, it's better than the bloody meth they all seem to be on.:2guns:
Which is out of the system within 24 hours - so all those lawyer/management P addicts can continue getting snotted at home and come to work the next day with a clear system. Makes roadside tests a bit questionable

[avgas]

I'm not a prohibitionists - but - here is a simply question - why do they drive slower?
Cos its hard to change the radio and read the speedo at the same time man

[gatch]

Sounds like a pretty hard case place, I wonder how many fights break out there ha.

The thing that puts me off smoking more often is the abundance of bud thats just puts people to sleep if you have a tiny bit too much, which funnily enough alot of people like :no:

[scissorhands]

In the harold 4:00 AM Sunday Apr 12, 2009

Cannabis club tilts at the law

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/david-fisher/news/article.cfm?a_id=191&objectid=10566272&pnum=1

A club for cannabis smokers has been openly flouting the law for months, with hundreds of people a night turning up to buy and smoke dope.

The "Daktory" has been operating from an Auckland warehouse since November and boasts having 400 people on a busy night.

Those behind the scheme are involved in efforts to have the drug decriminalised, and say they accept arrest by police is a possible outcome of their provocative club.

One of those involved, Brian Borland, has taken a further tilt at authority by registering a business through the Companies Office called the Roaring Lion Cannabis Shoppe.

He says he will pay tax on any cannabis he sells through the business.

As a promotional stunt, Borland has delivered cannabis plants to the electorate office of Prime Minister John Key, and also to TVNZ and TV3.

It follows a trip around the country by the National Organisation for the Reform of Marijuana Laws group in its "canna-bus". Protests were held in centres across the country where cannabis was smoked - and overlooked by police.
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Daktory manager Dakta Green, who changed his name by deed poll from Kenneth Morgan, says police appeared to have been avoiding arrests because it gave the protesters a platform to campaign from.

The club began operating in November, charging $20 a month to those who wanted to become members. "It was a nice, secure place where people can get good quality weed at a reasonable price."

Green says it proved so popular that the club - which was R18 - would attract between 300 and 400 people a night, and membership reached 1500 people by Christmas. He would not reveal where he sourced the cannabis but said the large membership meant a lot was sold.

It wound down in February for reorganisation, and is reopening this week. This time, Green says it will not sell cannabis because "you can get it anywhere".

When the Herald on Sunday visited, the warehouse featured dozens of sofas, tables and bookcases, with an area for table tennis and a bandstand. There were also dozens of bongs - used for smoking cannabis - and the occasional bowl containing shreds of the drug.

Borland said police were aware of his actions. A detective recently rang to invite him to a police station to be interviewed about delivering cannabis plants to television stations.

He answered the phone with a cheery "Roaring Lion Cannabis Shoppe", only to find a police officer on the phone.

Borland was not charged over delivering the cannabis plants. Police failed to return calls to answer questions about the club.

[LBD]

No one has ever died smoking cannabis, no matter how much they consume.



Think again buddy....the below is also the case with one of 3 children of a friend.....


Studies have shown an increased risk of certain cancers, such as leukemia, in children whose mother's smoked cannabis while pregnant.

[gwigs]

Think again buddy....the below is also the case with one of 3 children of a friend.....


Studies have shown an increased risk of certain cancers, such as leukemia, in children whose mother's smoked cannabis while pregnant.

What studies?

[Brian d marge]

Sounds like a place to go !

if it gets too populars ,,its gone ,,,,

Download the BBc doco evil weed ,,,those that smoke when half way through ,,, in England

Scientist man ( with papers) mince a a fair few tonnes ,,,they grow 65 tonnes a year ! IN ENGLAND all legal like


Other than that its an interesting doco

Stephen

[LBD]

What studies?

Some of the below links are for the argument and some are against(Balanced so to say)...At the end of the day there is enough smoke to call the fire brigade to the fire....

http://www.aadac.com/547_1216.asp

http://www.drugtext.org/library/articles/nanahas.html

http://www.beyondfertility.com/art199.htm

http://www.nevdgp.org.au/info/std_misc/MarijuanaQuit.html

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6891#childhood

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/112686124/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

[p.dath]

No one has ever died smoking cannabis, no matter how much they consume.

Your teasing right? That's like saying no one has died smoking tobacco cigarettes.

[p.dath]

http://alcoholism.about.com/od/pot/a/social.htm

Some highlights:


The National Institute on Drug Abuse has surveyed and compiled 11 scientific research studies that have demonstrated that heavy marijuana use, defined as smoking marijuana 27 days in the past 30 days, has a significant impact on users' ability to learn, remember what they learned and function in society.


•Workers who smoke marijuana are more likely to experience increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers' compensation claims, and job turnover.

•Workers who test positive for marijuana use have 55 percent more industrial accidents, 85 percent more injuries, and a 75-percent increase in absenteeism compared to non-smokers.

•Heavy marijuana abusers self-report that their use of the drug had negative effects on their cognitive abilities, career status, social life, and physical and mental health.


•Significantly impair skills related to attention, memory and learning even after not smoking for 24 hours.

•Cause problems in sustaining and shifting attention.

•Effect the ability to register, organize and use information, even compared to occasional users of marijuana.

•Impair users' ability to recall words from a list even a week after quitting marijuana use.

[gammaguy]

im a live and let live person,so if you people want to smoke weed,socialise and generally hang out and live the smokers equivalent of the good life,so be it and more power to you.

If however you think that riding a motorcycle on the road which other people(such as me),people who choose not to ride or drive under the influence of brain altering substances,is perfectly OK then you are removing our choices to travel safely and unhindered.

The very reason people smoke marijuana is for the brain altering experience,so please dont tell me that it does not affect your driving/riding skills,because that is clearly untrue.

I prefer to use the road beleiving that the others i share the road with are to all intents and purposes in control of their faculties,not willingly or unwillingly degrading those abilities.

you all enjoy your smoke,have a good time.

please dont impose your choices on me,and i wont impose mine on you.

fair exchange i think.

if i see people driving erratically,badly or dangerously,i regularly *555 them in a heartbeat.i could not live with myself if two km down the road they killed or injured someone and i could have done something about it.

[scissorhands]

okay okay, I just saw current threads glorifying hard liquor, with no comments even starting to hint at moderation...... mention cannabis and people start preaching to you

When I said 'No one has ever died smoking cannabis, no matter how much they consume', I was referring to death from intoxication( you said reefer).

I'm sorry if I have offended anyone, but I do feel cannabis has been unjustly targeted relative to alcohol's position in the forum here.

I don not wish to argue or defend cannabis here, like espresso coffee, its just not that important to me

[p.dath]

...I don not wish to argue or defend cannabis here, like espresso coffee, its just not that important to me

That chart is laughable, suggesting the cannabis is about as bad as a cup of coffee.

People don't suffer severe memory issues from drinking coffee.

[jrandom]

That chart is laughable, suggesting the cannabis is about as bad as a cup of coffee.

Caffeine overdose can kill you. People have died that way.

So, mm, given that THC isn't toxic at any dose, I'd say a cup of coffee is somewhat worse than cannabis.

Not to mention the fact that caffeine is physiologically addictive. I can't go a day without it, lest I develop headaches and tremors.

But I happily go weeks without smoking cannabis.

Mind you, I don't think anybody would argue that inhaling the smoke from burning plant material can ever be good for you (cannabis is much better taken using a vaporiser, or prepared in food).

Neither would they argue that non-stimulant psychoactives are a good idea when in control of machinery.

What gets up most cannabis users' noses is the fact that the law is an arbitrary ass when it comes to distinguishing between psychoactives. If caffeine, nicotine and alcohol were invented today, they'd all be class B scheduled drugs.

And, in terms of the social harm caused by intoxicated people, I doubt you'd find many cops who wouldn't cautiously support the idea of swapping cannabis legalisation for alcohol prohibition.

In principle, of course. Alcohol prohibition, as we all know, just doesn't work. Then again, neither does cannabis prohibition. But the circular argument from the status quo for the status quo seems to convince most people, doesn't it?

[SixPackBack]

That chart is laughable, suggesting the cannabis is about as bad as a cup of coffee.

People don't suffer severe memory issues from drinking coffee.

No more laugable than the blinkered view individuals take when discussing pot vs alcohol vs tobaco.

On the subject of addiction: This has moved from the user [always questionable to begin with] to law enforcement. Particularly in the states; law enforcement authorities are addicted to the job creation and income derived from pot. Unfortunately enforcing speed limits creates the same kind of addiction for authorities the world over-income!

[Taz]

Drugs are bad MmmmKay.

[RC1]

:woohoo: DRUGS ARE GOOD :woohoo:

[Tank]

I prefer to use the road beleiving that the others i share the road with are to all intents and purposes in control of their faculties,not willingly or unwillingly degrading those abilities.

you all enjoy your smoke,have a good time.

please dont impose your choices on me,and i wont impose mine on you.

fair exchange i think.




Gammaguy for me hit the nail on the head.

I dont give a fuck what the stoners do - but I do give a fuck when they are out there on the road stoned and lack the intellegence to believe that they are a danger to other road users.

Get them off the road and take away their licence I say. Because drugged drivers can (and do) kill people.

[CookMySock]

[...] here is a simply question - why do they drive slower?

Nothing to do with being impared or anything?Everyone should know the answer to this question.

It's because the consequences of a mistake becomes much more clear to them, both in terms of how people will feel about it, and in terms of the idea of physically ramming something.

Put simply, to stoners, much care is required in day to day activities, mostly just to complete them successfully and not forget everything lol, but also because they just wouldn't do anything that they or anyone else would have bad feelings about, because that will seriously fuck everyones "stone." Having a car crash while stoned would be a horrendous event - even falling over and whacking your knee will be, and no stoner wants that, for anyone not just themselves.

Contrast this to piss heads or P heads, who are unable to comprehend anything other than their current fixation, have no care for anyones' feelings, are completely isolated from the outside world by their drug (contrast stoners who are more connected with it), who you should rightly be fearful of.

I wouldn't go as far as saying stoners can drive or ride safely at any level of intoxication, but I would say it was pretty clear to them what they should and should not be doing, and why, instead of the opposite. Perhaps there would be a few people where this would not apply, but in general, perhaps you get the picture.

Steve

[The Pastor]

What gets up most cannabis users' noses is the fact that the law is an arbitrary ass when it comes to distinguishing between psychoactives. If caffeine, nicotine and alcohol were invented today, they'd all be class B scheduled drugs.



ignore me

[scissorhands]

Motocross, snowboarding, skateboarding, surfing, and from what I believe about bikers and biking, are extreme sports that all enjoy a fairly high degree of cannabis use. They must be some of the most useless drivers and riders around!! They often stop their sport, have a smoke, and hurl down the mountain once more.

I agree with the health and safety warnings guys. I agree wholeheartedly. Personally, I eat good food, never get pissed ever(even though I tend to drink most days), never suffer back problems, and am one of the slower vehicles on the road. I'm buying a 990cc car to replace the last 1 liter 43hp car I recently sold. I cant rememeber the last time I did 120km/hr. I have only been to the doctor a few times in the last 20 years, usually for surfing or work related injuries. I did crash my bike once in Bali while on magic mushrooms, dont recommend it. Otherwise crash and accident free for 30 years now.

So I really do appreciate wise words on health an safety.

Avoiding stress, thats a big one, a really big one for many people from a bad situation, or without a supportive family or community, or those who find it difficult to maintain a normally healthy level of happiness and peace in their day to day life. Thats why many people smoke I think.

Neurosis is an ongoing everyday accident some people have to suffer again and again everyday in a screwed up world....Wouldnt it be nice if your neighbours confused kids didnt get busted, have a conviction, and tie up police and the courts. The recent drug testing was only introduced after National MP's were bullied into voting 100% against medical marijuana, its political. Surely testing would have been in practise sooner if poor driving is as prevalent as suggested here.

Bikers go for rides, go to the pub, then ride home. Surely this is dangerous too? Like alcohol, a small amount of cannabis for someone accustomed to grass is a negligible safety risk.

I'm all for coordination testing by the police, as long as it does not become a prohibitionists vehicle to peddle a form of selective morality, on a minority that is usually very passive and gentle

[CookMySock]

The very reason people smoke marijuana is for the brain altering experience,so please dont tell me that it does not affect your driving/riding skills,because that is clearly untrue.The reason people smoke dope, is because it connects them with the world and the people around them, in such a way that they feel more a part of it. You have nothing to fear from these people. It is indelibly stamped on their mind what feels bad, and they will avoid it at all costs, both for you and for them.

Steve

[Taz]

It connects them with a world, but it aint the real one.

[Tank]

The reason people smoke dope, is because it connects them with the world and the people around them, in such a way that they feel more a part of it. You have nothing to fear from these people. It is indelibly stamped on their mind what feels bad, and they will avoid it at all costs, both for you and for them.

Steve

Simple question then.

You need someone to drive your kids up the Coromandel.

You have two people to choose from. One is 100% 'with it' the other has been smoking pot all afternoon.

Who would you choose?

[scissorhands]

It connects them with a world, but it aint the real one.

Thank goodness!!

[scissorhands]

Simple question then.

You need someone to drive your kids up the Coromandel.

You have two people to choose from. One is 100% 'with it' the other has been smoking pot all afternoon.

Who would you choose?

Definitely the 100% with it non smoker. Everytime. But I think this is a moot point.

I'm not saying pot is good for driving, its not. And in the hands of those who dont drive well to begin with, its extremely dangerous. Thats why I support coordination testing. However, it would be wrong for police to harangue a capable, coordinated driver because he has long hair, looks and talks like a stoner.

[R6_kid]

I think more research needs to be done. From the scientific research I have seen I think that it should atleast have an age limit of 25+ due to the affects it can have on brain development. The only problem with consumption is that compared to alcohol it is very easy to 'overdose' and end up being stoned for much longer than expected. Excess alcohol consumption will generally make people throw up and then wake up feeling like crap whereas being significantly 'stoned-over' usually means you just have a slight-buzz but are still somewhat stoned and this is when it can be dangerous.

[mowgli]

I think more research needs to be done. From the scientific research I have seen I think that it should atleast have an age limit of 25+ due to the affects it can have on brain development.

:lol::lol::lol: Yes, yes, yes :yes: As soon as you think you know it all start doing drugs. You'll never have to learn anything ever again :woohoo:

[Tank]

Definitely the 100% with it non smoker. Everytime. But I think this is a moot point.

I'm not saying pot is good for driving, its not. And in the hands of those who dont drive well to begin with, its extremely dangerous. Thats why I support coordination testing. However, it would be wrong for police to harangue a capable, coordinated driver because he has long hair, looks and talks like a stoner.

Its not a moot point - the fact is that you wouldnt have the stoner driving your kids.

People get tested for EBA all the time - its no biggie - esp if you are sober.

No biggie drug testing people either - I would have no problem with them doing it to me.

The only ones that have an issue are the ones who will be found to be under the influence. The same ones you just said you would not wanting driving your kids.

So again - no problem smoking - just dont drive afterwards then everyone is happy.

[scissorhands]

Its not a moot point - the fact is that you wouldnt have the stoner driving your kids.

People get tested for EBA all the time - its no biggie - esp if you are sober.

No biggie drug testing people either - I would have no problem with them doing it to me.

The only ones that have an issue are the ones who will be found to be under the influence. The same ones you just said you would not wanting driving your kids.

So again - no problem smoking - just dont drive afterwards then everyone is happy.

What about all those kiwis that have 2 beers in the first and 1 beer maximum every hour thereafter, and are under the limit and considered safe drivers for NZ roads?

Surely your not promoting one rule for one group and another rule for another? Thats biased and unfair discrimination, and poor policing

[Kickaha]

The reason people smoke dope, is because it connects them with the world and the people around them, in such a way that they feel more a part of it. You have nothing to fear from these people. It is indelibly stamped on their mind what feels bad, and they will avoid it at all costs, both for you and for them.

The real reason people smoke dope is to get stoned, not this mythical bullshit about "connecting" with the world

[CookMySock]

You need someone to drive your kids up the Coromandel.

You have two people to choose from. One is 100% 'with it' the other has been smoking pot all afternoon.

Who would you choose?The straight person, but I doubt whether a seriously incapacitated (stoned) driver would even be able to comprehend what you had asked him, let alone find his keys, let alone get the car out the driveway, and he wouldn't want to because its too much like hard work.

The difference is, a piss head or P head would jump at the opportunity, and then race off in excess of the speed limit without care or regard, or any connection whatsoever that what he was doing was dangerous.


The only problem with consumption is that compared to alcohol it is very easy to 'overdose' and end up being stoned for much longer than expected. Excess alcohol consumption will generally make people throw up and then wake up feeling like crap whereas being significantly 'stoned-over' usually means you just have a slight-buzz but are still somewhat stoned and this is when it can be dangerous.Perhaps. It's pretty clear to stoners that they are way fucked up when they try to reverse the car off the lawn, and it takes them 20 minutes, then there's the stop sign at the end of the street, and the task of selecting a gap in the busy traffic to pull into - thats going to take all afternoon. :Oops:

Steve

[Tank]

What about all those kiwis that have 2 beers in the first and 1 beer maximum every hour thereafter, and are under the limit and considered safe drivers for NZ roads?

Surely your not promoting one rule for one group and another rule for another? Thats biased and unfair discrimination, and poor policing

Nope - but it seems you are.

Dope and piss test anyperson stopped is my motto.

[scissorhands]

Untrue Sir. At least 3 times above I have stated I support police coordination and drug testing, and tried to be civil in the face of untrue accusations.

I meet someone a while back in charge of sales NZ for a large large multinational company. He was visiting a p lab to buy and was arrested along with everyone there. He lost his job too, but the irony is, he was so good at managing his team, and being a very good hard working employee as a heavy p user. He has a classic addictive personality, and was a professional athlete, but now looks a bit old for his age from all that stupid P.

Stoners need not apply. Except for possible penning 'nothing in life is worth being or doing', or similar philosophies of Occum, minimalism or nihilism. Consumerism, materialism and striving lessens with cannabis. Probably a good way to save the planet? Maybe less breeding, less work, less spending, less doing. Sounds kinda spiritual to me?

Hemp was an amazing highly utilized plant, unquestionably the most important plant in the history of man, now replaced by textiles made from petroleum



Check out Dakta Green on the front page of this weeks Western Leader newspaper. http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/western-leader/3124530/Dakta-in-the-house

along with The Harold article from last april http://www.nzherald.co.nz/david-fisher/news/article.cfm?a_id=191&objectid=10566272&pnum=1

and all the kind words of support from reasonable New Zealanders who are against prohibition (including many of the police!!)

[gammaguy]

Thank goodness!!

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g177/unternichtuber/imagination.gif

[gatch]

Caffeine overdose can kill you. People have died that way.

So, mm, given that THC isn't toxic at any dose, I'd say a cup of coffee is somewhat worse than cannabis.

Not to mention the fact that caffeine is physiologically addictive. I can't go a day without it, lest I develop headaches and tremors.

But I happily go weeks without smoking cannabis.

Mind you, I don't think anybody would argue that inhaling the smoke from burning plant material can ever be good for you (cannabis is much better taken using a vaporiser, or prepared in food).

Neither would they argue that non-stimulant psychoactives are a good idea when in control of machinery.

What gets up most cannabis users' noses is the fact that the law is an arbitrary ass when it comes to distinguishing between psychoactives. If caffeine, nicotine and alcohol were invented today, they'd all be class B scheduled drugs.

And, in terms of the social harm caused by intoxicated people, I doubt you'd find many cops who wouldn't cautiously support the idea of swapping cannabis legalisation for alcohol prohibition.

In principle, of course. Alcohol prohibition, as we all know, just doesn't work. Then again, neither does cannabis prohibition. But the circular argument from the status quo for the status quo seems to convince most people, doesn't it?

Bang on chum. What he said..

[gammaguy]

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g177/unternichtuber/7e4ab_13544_540.jpg

not all people who seem crazy are stoned,but ALL people who are stoned are altered in some way.thats fine,as long as they do it OFF the road.

sadly our judgement is also altered when we ingest hallucinogens which makes us think we are OK when we are not.

[scissorhands]

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g177/unternichtuber/7e4ab_13544_540.jpg

not all people who seem crazy are stoned,but ALL people who are stoned are altered in some way.thats fine,as long as they do it OFF the road.

sadly our judgement is also altered when we ingest hallucinogens which makes us think we are OK when we are not.

I dont think I've ever hallucinated on pot, ever....

Just an update here re Daktory news....

Dakta Green lost his case re human rights abuse by state, but has got a ton of good milage from it, and many people working at the district courts showed their support - including the judge!

I spent a day at Piha with the activists and on the road in the very brightly painted cannibus (big green old Bedford bus) and couldnt believe the support from most of the public. Look ma - stoners!

At Piha he cops turned up while the bus was full of people smoking up at the beach car park, said Hi then left!

Over the Xmas new year period, a senior sergeant entered The Daktory to warn of impairment testing beginning. Cops parked down the road and stopped all who left the building, no one was charged with drug driving except for a grossly overweight man who has trouble moving around at any time of day due to his weight....
Anyway, we all thought it abhorrent to park outside a licensed premise's and stop patrons and in the same vein Dakta green took offence and decided to video the police with their policy of stopping all patrons leaving The Daktory.

This is on you tube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR0g3KimbI0

I was against putting it up on you tube as the young cops are only doing their job, and I thought the cops would take offense at being on you tube, which they did, entering The Daktory (2 days after it being put up on you tube) for the second time ever and arresting and charging Dakta Green (again).

All that was a month ago, and no more interventions since.

So, its business as usual @ The Daktory...I really enjoy meeting travellers from overseas, and some classic kiwi characters who support the cause for an end to prohibition and decriminalisation.

Also, not only is California becoming more pot friendly by the week, but many other states not normally associated with cannabis culture are seeing the benefits to society of ending prohibition. The Daktory website here: http://www.thedaktory.org.nz/ has the latest world news on this updated every few days.

Also 60minutes will be filming at The Daktory Feb 18th, and The BBC are wanting a story too.

My personal take is that massive changes are happening in the world re tax havens like Switzerland, US cannabis policy changes, policing in NZ with the increased patrols since The Nats got in and *friendly visits* to known people and gangs policy, the warning system now in place for minor offending(including cannabis possession)....that I believe the financial benefits and relief of courts and prison far outweigh any **harm to society** that is caused by the widespread use of cannabis in NZ.

Yet still the courts are full of pot smokers being processed at present :(