McCarthyism in NZ

[scissorhands]

McCarthyism is the politically motivated practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

I wonder if Rodneys and Hone's recent public floggings are somehow utilized to muzzle dissent. Both ballsy renegades. National Party MP's voting 100% against medical marijuana? Surely those with a conscience have been told how to vote, to block a peoples mandate

Every now and then an MP gets bad press just to remind others they could be next if they start to become willful.

I think this current lot are upping the ante of fear and loathing in Parliament. We are well and trully on the road to a totalitarian hell

[zahria]

McCarthyism is the politically motivated practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

I wonder if Rodneys and Hone's recent public floggings are somehow utilized to muzzle dissent. Both ballsy renegades. National Party MP's voting 100% against medical marijuana? Surely those with a conscience have been told how to vote, to block a peoples mandate

Every now and then an MP gets bad press just to remind others they could be next if they start to become willful.

I think this current lot are upping the ante of fear and loathing in Parliament. We are well and trully on the road to a totalitarian hell

Muzzle dissent?
Hone spoke out in a completely racist and unacceptable tirade, and went walkabout on official business.

Rodney took his squeeze on a holiday at the Taxpayers expence.

Both deserved a public dressing down.

I think muzzling dissent is a bit far fetched, My opinion though.

[scissorhands]

Yes they did. But they got hauled over the coals for it, whereas others are not. I think they have been made an example of for ulterior motive.

[smoky]

why do all white people presume Hone was referring to all white people when he used the expression white Mofo?

Putting aside the issue of treaty grievances - this white boy agrees with the sentiment; those white mother ......s (the colonial land grabbing businesses and politicians) who came to this country and began systematically raping the country to extract gold, silver, kauri, flax, coal with no regard to anything other than making a profit - the politicians seemed only interested in retaining power at all cost and putting in place the means for the greedy bastards to rape the place.
Has it stopped? Not really, the government periodically helps out their well prospered mates to extract more profit and wealth from our country; the BNZ debacle, the way NZ railways were sold, and so on... ripping us off, then they go and knight the bastards for their efforts.

the latest government is now lining up our parks and reserves and surveying them off for any mineral wealth to let their mates make even more profit

So Hone is not alone in his expression of frustration :Offtopic:

we don't have a real democracy here, the same ol wealthy bastards buy the power

[zahria]

why do all white people presume Hone was referring to all white people when he used the expression white Mofo?

Putting aside the issue of treaty grievances - this white boy agrees with the sentiment; those white mother ......s (the colonial land grabbing businesses and politicians) who came to this country and began systematically raping the country to extract gold, silver, kauri, flax, coal with no regard to anything other than making a profit - the politicians seemed only interested in retaining power at all cost and putting in place the means for the greedy bastards to rape the place.
Has it stopped? Not really, the government periodically helps out their well prospered mates to extract more profit and wealth from our country; the BNZ debacle, the way NZ railways were sold, and so on... ripping us off, then they go and knight the bastards for their efforts.

the latest government is now lining up our parks and reserves and surveying them off for any mineral wealth to let their mates make even more profit

So Hone is not alone in his expression of frustration :Offtopic:

we don't have a real democracy here, the same ol wealthy bastards buy the power

Perhaps Hone could be more specific when He is attacking a certain Identifiable selct group of people.
What the bloody Hell did he expect? Typing a rant against white Motherf...kers without being specific is going to upset white people.
It really pissed me off, Because I (my Opinion) percieve him to be one of the few who have benefited from the gross multi million dollar payments that succesive Governments have embarked on to appease the supposed native incumbants of our country who were not conquered in an outright sense, but were shafted by a treaty.
As a working blue collar taxpayer, with two kids, a mortgage etc, to have that kind of abuse and slander is too much.

[scissorhands]

He is all those things and more no doubt. I'm just suggesting there is milage to be had, from slapping down some of the overly dominant lowerlings

[zahria]

He is all those things and more no doubt. I'm just suggesting there is milage to be had, from slapping down some of the overly dominant lowerlings

Sorry mate, but you are over my head:stupid:

[scissorhands]

I agree with you that he spat the dummy and ranted all his ugly shit.

Its just that hes been made accountable. Whereas everyone else whose an inner circle party member gets to surf the hairpins on a Busa care of Joe Q and not get rubbed. Recent 100% vote against medical pot by nat mp's?? How is fear to tow the party line like that instilled in a mp?

[98tls]

why do all white people presume Hone was referring to all white people when he used the expression white Mofo?

Putting aside the issue of treaty grievances - this white boy agrees with the sentiment; those white mother ......s (the colonial land grabbing businesses and politicians) who came to this country and began systematically raping the country to extract gold, silver, kauri, flax, coal with no regard to anything other than making a profit - the politicians seemed only interested in retaining power at all cost and putting in place the means for the greedy bastards to rape the place.
Has it stopped? Not really, the government periodically helps out their well prospered mates to extract more profit and wealth from our country; the BNZ debacle, the way NZ railways were sold, and so on... ripping us off, then they go and knight the bastards for their efforts.

the latest government is now lining up our parks and reserves and surveying them off for any mineral wealth to let their mates make even more profit

So Hone is not alone in his expression of frustration :Offtopic:

we don't have a real democracy here, the same ol wealthy bastards buy the power Agree with some of that but in Hones case na fuck him,guys a piece of shit no better than the other members of his whan:doh:fuck that shit,no better than the other members of his family of bludgers that have graced the news with there crap.Personally i like the fact that hes come out and spoken his mind re white folk as ive been saying the same about his kind for years.Racist be fucked i just dislike bludgers no matter what colour there skin.

[SixPackBack]

why do all white people presume Hone was referring to all white people when he used the expression white Mofo?

Putting aside the issue of treaty grievances - this white boy agrees with the sentiment; those white mother ......s (the colonial land grabbing businesses and politicians) who came to this country and began systematically raping the country to extract gold, silver, kauri, flax, coal with no regard to anything other than making a profit - the politicians seemed only interested in retaining power at all cost and putting in place the means for the greedy bastards to rape the place.
Has it stopped? Not really, the government periodically helps out their well prospered mates to extract more profit and wealth from our country; the BNZ debacle, the way NZ railways were sold, and so on... ripping us off, then they go and knight the bastards for their efforts.

the latest government is now lining up our parks and reserves and surveying them off for any mineral wealth to let their mates make even more profit

So Hone is not alone in his expression of frustration :Offtopic:

we don't have a real democracy here, the same ol wealthy bastards buy the power


So when you talk about 'land grabbing' I'm assuming you include the Jews in your tirade?

[wbks]

So when you talk about 'land grabbing' I'm assuming you include the Jews in your tirade?
Because, just like all white people, all jews are rich, land grabbing tycoons

[Skyryder]

Ya gota wonder at the politics of the Maori Party.

I’ll say from the out set that there should be full partnership support with the new super city council via treaty obligations. Key’s sop to the Maori Party by supporting an independent advisory board was nothing more than face saving due to Hides intransience.

And to lead the charge in getting Maori onto the Super City Council the Maori Party put Harawira to lead it. This is the guy that has upset most of pakeha New Zealand with his insulting utterances. And now Sharples has put this bozo in charge, in an attempt to change the minds not only of the government but pakeha New Zealand as well. :stupid:

I’ve been around NZ politics for most of my life and I have seen some dumb decisions by both the Nats and Labour but the Sharples decision to put Harawira in a position where he is to influence the body politic in respect of voting rights on the new council is can only be described as.................retarded


Skyryder

[98tls]

I’ve been around NZ politics for most of my life and I have seen some dumb decisions by both the Nats and Labour but the Sharples decision to put Harawira in a position where he is to influence the body politic in respect of voting rights on the new council is can only be described as.................retarded


Skyryder Retarded,hes well qualified for the position then.

[zahria]

Retarded,hes well qualified for the position then.

Is that you Mr Henry??

[98tls]

Is that you Mr Henry?? :shifty:Indeed it is.

[kiwirach83]

http://iforce.co.nz/i/uptnjrbq.jpeg

ism :blah:

[SixPackBack]

ism :blah:

If only she was a bit younger.

[zahria]

Now I get it!!!

[98tls]

Darkness cures all.

[pete376403]

Ya gota wonder at the politics of the Maori Party.

I’ll say from the out set that there should be full partnership support with the new super city council via treaty obligations. Skyryder

Sorry to go off on a tangent but can anyone explain why maori can't be elected to the council, just the same as any other racial group? Does the treaty really say they get by right what others have to work in some way for?

How did Sharples, Turia and all the other maori party people get into parliament? At least a couple of them must have been elected, to drag the list members in on their coat-tails

[smoky]

I wonder if Rodneys and Hone's recent public floggings are somehow utilized to muzzle dissent. Both ballsy renegades. National Party MP's voting 100% against medical marijuana? Surely those with a conscience have been told how to vote, to block a peoples mandate

Every now and then an MP gets bad press just to remind others they could be next if they start to become willful.

I think this current lot are upping the ante of fear and loathing in Parliament. We are well and trully on the road to a totalitarian hell

You can't really avoid some totalitarian tendencies when MP's are elected locally on primarily local issues, personalities and their personal abilities - but then are expected to tow the party line once in Wellington regardless of the will of those who put them there

Party politics has replaced democracy

[smoky]

Sorry to go off on a tangent but can anyone explain why maori can't be elected to the council, just the same as any other racial group? Does the treaty really say they get by right what others have to work in some way for?

How did Sharples, Turia and all the other maori party people get into parliament? At least a couple of them must have been elected, to drag the list members in on their coat-tails

The won 4 out f 5 Maori seats in the last election if I remember correctly, they were voted in

[oldrider]

why do all white people presume Hone was referring to all white people when he used the expression white Mofo?

Putting aside the issue of treaty grievances - this white boy agrees with the sentiment; those white mother ......s (the colonial land grabbing businesses and politicians) who came to this country and began systematically raping the country to extract gold, silver, kauri, flax, coal with no regard to anything other than making a profit - the politicians seemed only interested in retaining power at all cost and putting in place the means for the greedy bastards to rape the place.
Has it stopped? Not really, the government periodically helps out their well prospered mates to extract more profit and wealth from our country; the BNZ debacle, the way NZ railways were sold, and so on... ripping us off, then they go and knight the bastards for their efforts.

the latest government is now lining up our parks and reserves and surveying them off for any mineral wealth to let their mates make even more profit

So Hone is not alone in his expression of frustration :Offtopic:

we don't have a real democracy here, the same ol wealthy bastards buy the power

Hone has an opinion, he expressed it! We don't have to listen or take any notice of it, or even agree!

Are the Maori party only allowed to be clones of each other?

What happened to freedom of speech and freedom to choose?

Viva La difference! Yeah right, what fucking difference! Individual rights? Yeah right, what fucking individual rights!

People who never make mistakes never make anything, have another go Hone, all diamonds start out rough but persist and they will shine and sparkle!

Way to go Hone, get cracking and make a few more until you end up the best politician in the house!

Look around boy, there's fuck all to beat! :doh: Just keep kicking the pricks, at least that part is refreshing! :eek:

[pete376403]

The won 4 out f 5 Maori seats in the last election if I remember correctly, they were voted in

OK well that answers my question. If they (the maori MPS) can get elected to parliament by popular vote, why can't maori get elected to the auckland council? Why do they have to be appointed, something that no other group gets?
Much as I dislike the prick, i'm with rodney hide on this one.

[oldrider]

OK well that answers my question. If they (the maori MPS) can get elected to parliament by popular vote, why can't maori get elected to the auckland council? Why do they have to be appointed, something that no other group gets?
Much as I dislike the prick, i'm with rodney hide on this one.

+ one. One land one people! A treaty for everyone except some Maori? Tui anyone? Yeah right!

Do they also drive their cars backwards by looking in the rear vision mirror too? :confused:

[zahria]

Way to go Hone, get cracking and make a few more until you end up the best politician in the house!

Tui ad.... yeah right...

[smoky]

OK well that answers my question. If they (the maori MPS) can get elected to parliament by popular vote, why can't maori get elected to the auckland council? Why do they have to be appointed, something that no other group gets?
Much as I dislike the prick, i'm with rodney hide on this one.

The trick is they stood in Maori seats - that's why they got elected.
So that supports the idea of Maori seats in the new Auckland.

Without saying I support or don't support the Maori seats; the idea is that they are a minority group in their own country, other nationalities like Islanders and Asian will get more representation - their voice will be lost. Thats all good if you think pure democracy is a good idea.

But let me ask you, have you heard of the Tyranny of the Majority, Google it, it makes good reading and may change the way you think
If Maori are disproportionally represented in criminal, abuse, negative health, and child care issues and are having a negative impact on Auckland - why wouldn't you want some of their more motivated leaders who have dragged their arses out of that kind of lifestyle to come on board and help sort it out.

In some parts of Europe; Muslim immigrants are starting to out number the local Europeans, soon they will have the sheer numbers to dominated local and national politics. They will have the numbers to start introducing their brand of fundamental Islamic rule. Is this a good thing? It could happen in Auckland over the next 20-50 years, then we won't be talking about special seats for Maori, we'd be talking about special seats for white New Zealanders as well.
look at Fiji - the Indians could simply elect an all Indian government, take over the place, turn it into an Indian country - so a pure democracy will never be palatable there

[scissorhands]

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb. ~Benjamin Franklin

[Skyryder]

Sorry to go off on a tangent but can anyone explain why maori can't be elected to the council, just the same as any other racial group? Does the treaty really say they get by right what others have to work in some way for?

How did Sharples, Turia and all the other maori party people get into parliament? At least a couple of them must have been elected, to drag the list members in on their coat-tails


The Treaty whether we like it or not is a partnership. It is the Crown that is driving the super city..............not the council. If this was council driven then the position would be different.........but it is not. It is one of the reasons why the task force set up by Labour provided for maori seats.


Skyryder