AA supports motorcycle levies

[Kinje]

From Stuff http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3125437/ACC-Burton-clause-slammed

Meanwhile the AA said it cautiously supported risk rating for vehicles but not for drivers as there was no fair way of doing it.

The AA supported higher levies for motorcyclists but said they should be phased in and suggested an approved training course for motorcyclists which would give those who passed a levy discount.

[crazyhorse]

Will they give lessons to the cage drivers too? So they know to look out for motorcyclists too??

Nah, didn't think so!

Whooptie shit! a reduction in levies. They can go suck arse!

[Naki Rat]

From Stuff http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3125437/ACC-Burton-clause-slammed

Meanwhile the AA said it cautiously supported risk rating for vehicles but not for drivers as there was no fair way of doing it.

The AA supported higher levies for motorcyclists but said they should be phased in and suggested an approved training course for motorcyclists which would give those who passed a levy discount.

And this is from the same AA of 'AA Insurance' that does exactly that to their own customers. Hypocritical pricks :bash:
For me any support of AA went west when they got in bed with the digital drivers licences :no:

[IdunBrokdItAgin]

Cor I love it when I'm proved right.

See my other thread.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=114107

[been_there]

And this is from the same AA of 'AA Insurance' that does exactly that to their own customers. Hypocritical pricks :bash:
For me any support of AA went west when they got in bed with the digital drivers licences :no:

+1
Fucking sellouts..
So glad I didnt take my insurance - House, car etc with them after all

[Nasty]

silly people - AA membership cancelled.

[NighthawkNZ]

If every one that owns a motorcycle and were AA members cancelled their membership on same day would AA notice it???

[James Deuce]

silly people - AA membership cancelled.

Me too. I only took it out because of Ixion's desire that we work from the inside. Sorry mate, the smell's a bit ripe in here.

[StoneY]

AA lost my:

Membership
Life Policy
Income Policy
Contents Policy
Car Policy
Suzuki 1100 Policy

And they said 'so what' when I told them why

I heard last night that, 1.5 months after I did this, the senior insurances manager at AA is starting to sweat the number of accounts being closed in disgust by....Motorcyclists that had previously been LOYAL AA supporters....

Numbers over 150 cancelled policies now and growing

Keep it up team
AMI undercut every AA price I quoted back to them very VERY nicely too

[Hawkeye]

Which I why I'm moving 2 bikes, 3 cars, 2 house and contents insurance and 4 breakdown cover. And I will be telling them the reason why!

[NighthawkNZ]

So how do we start MANZ... Motorcycling Association of New Zealand... hmmmm :scratch:

[Hanne]

I rang AA to ask when their AGM was...

Girl on the phone goes 'Huh? What's an AGM?'
'Annual General Meeting'
'What?'
'A big meeting. They have one once a year....'
'Oh.... no we don't have that'
'I think you do?'
'Um... well you could try calling Human Resources on Tuesday?'

So I too have PLENTY of confidence in that lot. Never insured with them and never will!

[Hanne]

So how do we start MANZ... Motorcycling Association of New Zealand... hmmmm :scratch:

Join BRONZ, they already fir that niche and are there specifically to advocate for motorcyclists' rights.

[StoneY]

Join BRONZ, they already fir that niche and are there specifically to advocate for motorcyclists' rights.

Exactly, why bother re-inventing the wheel

[Ronin]

Exactly, why bother re-inventing the wheel

Or both of them...

[mowgli]

If every one that owns a motorcycle and were AA members cancelled their membership on same day would AA notice it???
When you cancel they should ask for feedback. Tell them you need the cash to pay for the levy increase

I've been a member of AA for 20 years. I've used their free touring maps and got the odd discount on accommodation. IIRC I've called them out twice for roadside assistance. What a shmuck I've been.

I feel a letter to AA coming on - come out and publicly condemn the rises else lose me as a member along with anyone else I can convince. :oi-grr:

[The Everlasting]

To be honest,I'm not really surprised,they are just the same as the rest of em.:2guns:

[NighthawkNZ]

Join BRONZ, they already fir that niche and are there specifically to advocate for motorcyclists' rights.

Already am a member of BRONZ... and its not quite the same as what I am talking about

[Ixion]

Join BRONZ, they already fir that niche and are there specifically to advocate for motorcyclists' rights.

BRONZ is specifically an advocacy agent. We won't come and fix your breakdown, or any of that other stuff.

[Nasty]

When you cancel they should ask for feedback. Tell them you need the cash to pay for the levy increase

I've been a member of AA for 20 years. I've used their free touring maps and got the odd discount on accommodation. IIRC I've called them out twice for roadside assistance. What a shmuck I've been.

I feel a letter to AA coming on - come out and publicly condemn the rises else lose me as a member along with anyone else I can convince. :oi-grr:

They asked me why ... and boy did I tell them ... so goodbye from me for my business.

[Fatt Max]

All policies cancelled as of today.....Mrs Max is spewing gawd bless her....pricks...

[FastBikeGear]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3125437/ACC-Burton-clause-slammed[/url]


Thank god the ACC has clarified that it's not me that's dangerous but my motorcycle. "Officer it wasn't me - it twas the bike"


Wobblyas
President for Life
P.A.I.N. Association
Membership (2)

[Jantar]

Already am a member of BRONZ... and its not quite the same as what I am talking about
I attended the BRONZ meeting in Dunedin last night. I fould them to be a pleasant group and very keen on their local activities. I was slightly disapointed that there was very little on the advocacy front, and apart from the actual levy rises themselves, they weren't really up with the political situation.

As I am a new member and it was my first meeting, Iw as really getting the feel for what they are all about.

My opinion is that BRONZ is the right group to advocate for motorcyclists, but they need to be more proactive in marketing themselves, and there needs to be a national body to co-ordinate the branches and do all that work that Les is currently doing from Auckland.

[p.dath]

I feel a letter to AA coming on - come out and publicly condemn the rises else lose me as a member along with anyone else I can convince. :oi-grr:

If you wouldn't mind posting it when done, and I'll send it in as well.

[Hanne]

I was slightly disapointed that there was very little on the advocacy front, and apart from the actual levy rises themselves, they weren't really up with the political situation.

My opinion is that BRONZ is the right group to advocate for motorcyclists, but they need to be more proactive in marketing themselves, and there needs to be a national body to co-ordinate the branches and do all that work that Les is currently doing from Auckland.

BRONZ is always looking for new input, skills and faces! If you have ideas and things to contribute, please come back and put your hand up!
They have always been there to advocate for motorcyclists' rights.

THE AIMS OF BRONZ ARE:

To promote road safety through road user education.
Education rather than legislation saves lives.
To protect and promote the rights of the motorcyclist to decide his/her own future as a road user.
Let those who ride decide.
To promote and protect the general welfare of the motorcycling public.

Dwindling motorcycle numbers in the 90s saw many local BRONZes dry up. The ACC campaign has really given a lot of people a kick up the bum and got them thinking about motorcylists' rights once more. Of course this is not the only issue but if it is one that jerks people out of their complacency then that is great, it is a foot in the door for the rest of the issues.

The Auckland branch is currently acting as the National branch as Finn is in Auckland and appears to be the last paid-up 'BRONZ National' member. We are hoping to arrange a meeting early next year with all regional BRONZ groups to clarify this situation going into the future.

[Lucyloo]

Have just fired off a letter to the CEO AA NZ.
Brian Gibbons
PO Box 5
Auckland

[Hanne]

BRONZ is specifically an advocacy agent. We won't come and fix your breakdown, or any of that other stuff.

True, but it seems whenever AA is mentioned these days it is because they are using their political sway to influence some policy or another.

State (and other insurers??) also does breakdown repairs, so AA is not the only option in that regard.

[wreck_man]

Journey On Roadside Solutions (which is affiliated to the specialist motorcycle insurer Star Insurance) has a specialised motorcycle roadside assistance product you can purchase in replacement to the AA, PLUS for every solution purchased on its website it is giving BRONZ $15 to fight the ACC levy increase. All you need to do is enter in the promo code of " BRONZ " on the website www.journeyon.co.nz when purchasing. This'll also get you 10% discount. This'll stick it to the AA :2guns:

[Owl]

AMI undercut every AA price I quoted back to them very VERY nicely too

AMI have the cheapest domestic insurance around, but you get what you pay for StoneY.

[mowgli]

If you wouldn't mind posting it when done, and I'll send it in as well.
This is a draft. My letter will evolve over the weekend as I think about it some more.

[zahria]

AMI have the cheapest domestic insurance around, but you get what you pay for StoneY.

I have got nothing but praise for AMI, I can't rate their service highly enough.
Car claims, domestic damage, have been sorted really fast, best company I've dealt with.

AA will be getting a letter from me, and I will cancel my membership if their responce is not favourable to our cause.

I've been with AA for years, and their stance on Motorcycling is regrettable, because the Roadside Assistance I have used in the past has been good too.

[zahria]

This is a draft. My letter will evolve over the weekend as I think about it some more.

Excellent letter.

[scissorhands]

Maybe we could do a protest on AA's doorstep?

[wynw]

From Stuff http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3125437/ACC-Burton-clause-slammed

Meanwhile the AA said it cautiously supported risk rating for vehicles but not for drivers as there was no fair way of doing it.

The AA supported higher levies for motorcyclists but said they should be phased in and suggested an approved training course for motorcyclists which would give those who passed a levy discount.

What a suprise, they have been anti bikers for years...so no longer a member! tossers dont seem to class bikes as automobiles after all:2guns:

[Owl]

I have got nothing but praise for AMI, I can't rate their service highly enough.
Car claims, domestic damage, have been sorted really fast, best company I've dealt with.

Fair enough and I hope you never have an issue. I had 2 trouble free claims with them over the years, but the 3rd was the end of our business arrangement. The threat letter sealed it for me!:angry2:

[Naki Rat]

I have got nothing but praise for AMI, I can't rate their service highly enough.
Car claims, domestic damage, have been sorted really fast, best company I've dealt with.



Fair enough and I hope you never have an issue. I had 2 trouble free claims with them over the years, but the 3rd was the end of our business arrangement. The threat letter sealed it for me!:angry2:

I've had similarly great service from AMI over the last 12 years, but well appreciate that all it takes is someone with 'issues', for whatever reason, to taint a good run with an insurer.

Incidentally I've still to confirm the details of insuring semi or unregistered motorcycles with AMI in case I have to go to 'plan B' :whistle:

[gwigs]

Feck em I,m cancelling my membership of ten yrs and sending them a letter.
Who needs em?

[Jantar]

BRONZ is always looking for new input, skills and faces! If you have ideas and things to contribute, please come back and put your hand up!
They have always been there to advocate for motorcyclists' rights......
Oh, I shall. But living so far away I can only personally attend 1 or 2 meetings a year. I left home mid afternoon to attend the meeting and arrived home just before midnight after travelling 422 km.

[Ixion]

So, Welcome , Jantar, President of the latest new BRONZ branch, BRONZ Clyde.

[Pedrostt500]

Ok try this on for size, put together a PDF poster of the AA anti bike artical, see your local bike shop and ask that they send a copy to their suppliers, and that the suppliers send a copy to every bike shop they deal with, asking that the poster be placed where their customers can see it clearly, also reasons to withdraw policies from AA, because of AA stand on Motorcycling.

The second part of this is to use the same method for a BRONZ membership drive, stating some good reasons to be a member of BRONZ.

[James Deuce]

So, Welcome , Jantar, President of the latest new BRONZ branch, BRONZ Clyde.

Dam, that's a terrible branch name (sorry).

[Voltaire]

I was doing a bit of Googling on the AA, which I am a member ( mainly for the missus as she drives a car)

Seems in the past they were in discussion with a cyclists group.

http://can.org.nz/document/meeting-notes-aa-new-zealand-automobile-association-aug-06

They appear to be anti motorcycle but maybe its worth a delegation at least having a meeting with them to discuss common ground as road users....?
Perhaps meeting with AA might change some of their pre conceptions?
Just a thought.
Still haven't found when they have meetings....probably as I chuck their mag unopened when it arrives...:eek:

[rustic101]

From Stuff http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3125437/ACC-Burton-clause-slammed

Meanwhile the AA said it cautiously supported risk rating for vehicles but not for drivers as there was no fair way of doing it.

The AA supported higher levies for motorcyclists but said they should be phased in and suggested an approved training course for motorcyclists which would give those who passed a levy discount.

by supporting the acc wankers...

I have so far influenced thirty people to withdraw from aa. For me that meant my memberships, and five insurance policies. Turns out I got a better deal anyway from Kiwibank..

[flyingcrocodile46]

I was doing a bit of Googling on the AA, which I am a member ( mainly for the missus as she drives a car)

Seems in the past they were in discussion with a cyclists group.

http://can.org.nz/document/meeting-notes-aa-new-zealand-automobile-association-aug-06

They appear to be anti motorcycle but maybe its worth a delegation at least having a meeting with them to discuss common ground as road users....?
Perhaps meeting with AA might change some of their pre conceptions?
Just a thought.
Still haven't found when they have meetings....probably as I chuck their mag unopened when it arrives...:eek:

I take it that it was this excerpt that you noted?



On the back of rising popularity of motorcycling driven by rising petrol prices, AA, along with ACC and LTNZ is also developing a program to address safety concerns with motorcycling. . There was agreement that� there may be a similar rise in cycle crashes. Mike Noon has suggested he will raise the matter with ACC in his next meeting. Robert has also suggested that CAN should meet ACC about� this matter.

Although it seems to me that it reads that they had concerns about motorcycle safety and similar rises in cycle crashes. When read in conjunction with other sections of the minutes I took it to be in relation to concerns over the need to raise motorists awareness of Cyclists.??



3. TRAFINZ Presentation.

AA is interested in some of the suggestions mooted at the TRAFINZ presentation. For example, AA has been proposing that rather than demonising bad drivers and making it sound all doom and gloom, we should work at rewarding good drivers to encourage them to remain good and set examples for the bad drivers.

Hmmmmph Evidence is that they don't have any problem "demonising" motorcyclists.

As you say. They would be a better Allie than enemy

[rustic101]

The National Manager Policy and Assurance is Mike Noon his email address is:

mnoon@aa.co.nz

[gammaguy]

From Stuff http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3125437/ACC-Burton-clause-slammed

Meanwhile the AA said it cautiously supported risk rating for vehicles but not for drivers as there was no fair way of doing it.

The AA supported higher levies for motorcyclists but said they should be phased in and suggested an approved training course for motorcyclists which would give those who passed a levy discount.

its the AUTOMOBILE ASSOCIATION after all...since when were we expecting them to care about motorcycles?

we need to have our own house in order,and never expect any support from an organization that has publicly stated on a number of occasions that it would like motorcycles banned off the roads completely.

Now some people have voted in a government that would probably be happy to give them what they want if they can get away with it.

it s OUR move......

[oldrider]

What a suprise, they have been anti bikers for years...so no longer a member! tossers dont seem to class bikes as automobiles after all:2guns:

Nor bikers as respectable responsible citizens either!

AA are not a symptom of this ACC levy debacle, they are the root cause! :doh:

[jeffs]

This is a draft. My letter will evolve over the weekend as I think about it some more.

While AA are throwing stones and since everyone we talk to seems to like statistics, perhaps you should include some of AA insurance UK's in your letter.

It did not work in my submission to the ACC but you are writing to the AA.

a small clip of my submission.

"Where the fault is completely attributable to biker only related claims, levies based on this are understandable. But since no CAS ( Crash Analysis ) data seems to be available in NZ to identify the exact ratio of Car on Bike incidents I can only refer to the UK figures provided by the UK AA’s web site ( Automobile Association ) of 80%. I have used these figures because the UK AA being an insurance company have done its figures to ascertain premium levels.

Quote.
“Simon Douglas, director of AA Insurance, says: “Tragically, 80% of all motorcycle accidents are the fault of road users other than the motor cyclist. For car and commercial vehicle drivers it’s very easy to miss seeing an approaching motorbike, especially in congested areas.” http://www.theaa.com/insurance/news/born-again-motorbikers.html. "

[Voltaire]

I take it that it was this excerpt that you noted?



Although it seems to me that it reads that they had concerns about motorcycle safety and similar rises in cycle crashes. When read in conjunction with other sections of the minutes I took it to be in relation to concerns over the need to raise motorists awareness of Cyclists.??


As you say. They would be a better Allie than enemy

Yeah that one, interesting that the AA picked up on that motorists were the main cause of cyclist injuries/deaths......pretty obvious I thought.
But, maybe the Cyclists group called the meeting to get the AA to see it from their side.
A meeting between Bronz and the AA might clear the air, and who knows...maybe like in the Christmas Truce of WW1 when the enemy meet they realise they are the same and are being manipulated by those at the top.
( that only lasted a couple of days in some sectors....until the top brass got them back to the war)

[Jantar]

its the AUTOMOBILE ASSOCIATION after all...since when were we expecting them to care about motorcycles?.......
This has been covered many times before. When the AA was first set up, more than a few decades ago, The definition of Automobile was any self propelled vehicle. This included motorcycles. The AA servicemen who first went to the scene of a breakdown travelled by motorcycle even.

Its only in very recent times that they have tried to use the term Automobile to exclude motorcycles.

[twotyred]

silly people - AA membership cancelled.

make sure you tell them why...LOUDLY :niceone:

[Nasty]

make sure you tell them why...LOUDLY :niceone:

Trust me I did ... hehe

[Voltaire]

I thought about cancelling but whats that going to achieve.

I wote them a letter about the pathetic stance taken on the Northern Gateway and the ACC levies.

I suspect the AA has got this way due to not having any engagement with motorcyclists.
Lets engage them.

I'll post up my response, If I don't get one I'll go and see them.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I thought about cancelling but whats that going to achieve.

I wote them a letter about the pathetic stance taken on the Northern Gateway and the ACC levies.

I suspect the AA has got this way due to not having any engagement with motorcyclists.
Lets engage them.

I'll post up my response, If I don't get one I'll go and see them.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Good for you Volti. You may well be right. Take Les, Mom & Peggy with you.

[PrincessBandit]

We took our bike insurance to Vero (Dave Golightly) in CHCH as the AA here in Auckland would not insure me at all when we first got the Ginny (their excuse - they don't insure any motorcyclists who is not on a full license). After I passed my full they still told me "no sorry, you have not had your full for at least 2 years".
I wish I'd thought to ask them at the time why they don't do the same for beginner car drivers.....but suspect the answer would have been a load of tripe and waffle.

[Voltaire]

We took our bike insurance to Vero (Dave Golightly) in CHCH as the AA here in Auckland would not insure me at all when we first got the Ginny (their excuse - they don't insure any motorcyclists who is not on a full license). After I passed my full they still told me "no sorry, you have not had your full for at least 2 years".
I wish I'd thought to ask them at the time why they don't do the same for beginner car drivers.....but suspect the answer would have been a load of tripe and waffle.

The same David Golighty who told me I was not covered for the recent HMCC rider training day at Hampton Downs....
Still the Vintage Car Club ( also VERO) said yes to the FUCACC ( Darmah) for a mere $ 3000.00 excess...

[Voltaire]

PM me your good and bad ACC experiences, I'll compile them and arrange to go and see them, with a list of questions from members/ex members.

As most members who have motorcycles also have cars ( Spank Me being the exception)

[NighthawkNZ]

As most members who have motorcycles also have cars ( Spank Me being the exception)

me another... but me other half does... ;)

[Pixie]

I've had similarly great service from AMI over the last 12 years, but well appreciate that all it takes is someone with 'issues', for whatever reason, to taint a good run with an insurer.

Incidentally I've still to confirm the details of insuring semi or unregistered motorcycles with AMI in case I have to go to 'plan B' :whistle:

Please post when you get some info

[jeffs]

( Spank Me being the exception)

NOT true, he has one :)

[mowgli]

a small clip of my submission.
Thanks. Letter sent and emailed. Chances of getting a reply...slim :yawn:

Update: Whadayano, he's OOTO

[Nasty]

PM me your good and bad ACC experiences, I'll compile them and arrange to go and see them, with a list of questions from members/ex members.

As most members who have motorcycles also have cars ( Spank Me being the exception)


Nope ... Spankme bought a car this year ... no exception there.

[Ixion]

We live in degenerate times

But, Mr Merde has no car and no class 1 licence. Several others ditto

[Swoop]

Meanwhile the AA said it cautiously supported risk rating for vehicles but not for drivers as there was no fair way of doing it..
Huh?
You crash more often, you get to pay more. It is what they have been doing all along.

[NighthawkNZ]

We live in degenerate times

But, Mr Merde has no car and no class 1 licence. Several others ditto


Hey im not a degenerate because I don't have or want a class 1 license...


as far as I know:crazy:

[Ixion]

Hey im not a degenerate because I don't have or want a class 1 license...


as far as I know:crazy:

Other way round. You are a degenerate if you do. Mr Spankme used to swear he never would. Ichabod.

[NighthawkNZ]

Other way round. You are a degenerate if you do. Mr Spankme used to swear he never would. Ichabod.


whew... had me worried for a second... :eek5:

[Naki Rat]

I've had similarly great service from AMI over the last 12 years, but well appreciate that all it takes is someone with 'issues', for whatever reason, to taint a good run with an insurer.

Incidentally I've still to confirm the details of insuring semi or unregistered motorcycles with AMI in case I have to go to 'plan B' :whistle:

Reply just received from AMI:

"AMI's policy wording states that the bike must be kept in a road worthy condition at all times. This means making sure that the bike has a current WOF at all times.
Our policy does not currently exclude cover if the bike is unregistered."

Sounds like a good plan B :)

[ukusa]

after reading this thread, I wish I was a member of the AA....... so I could CANCEL MY MEMBERSHIP and tell them where to stick it!

[jeffs]

Mr Spankme

"Mr" :lol: :lol: You wait until I see him next, I have to use that one :)

[riffer]

Other way round. You are a degenerate if you do. Mr Spankme used to swear he never would. Ichabod.

In his defence, it wasn't for him to drive.

[Ixion]

I think he did get his class 1L , though.

[pzkpfw]

That's so he can ride the driver.

[Voltaire]

Here is the reply I got from the AA.
I replied to this that the AA should represent all road users and asked if they had any members who rode motorcycles contributing to their decisions.
I also asked if they were in contact with BRONZ and if not would the AA would be intersted in meeting with them.



"In response to your comments on the ACC levies, the AA said in our submission on the proposed levy increases that we believe they are too much and will only discourage ‘bike owners from paying them which is undesirable. They need to be set at an affordable level, but one which also better reflects the higher costs of accidents involving motorcycles (taking into account relative fault). The AA has also met with the ACC Minister, ACC twice, and also presented to the parliamentary select committee considering changes to the ACC legislation that will reduce the proposed levies considerably. You can find copies of our submissions here: http://www.aa.co.nz/about/submissions/Pages/2009-AA-submissions-to-Government.aspx

The AA is cautious about introducing risk rating to any road users, but we believe it could be trialled for motorcyclists as that may help significantly reduce the size of the levies. We are aware that there are experienced riders like yourself who have decades-long safe riding records which could be rewarded by a discount. We consider recognising skills and experience may be a way of appeasing motorcyclists who are facing large levy increases, although the idea needs further research so that relatively unskilled riders aren’t unduly penalised. Currently there is no recognised national standard for rider training, so such a rating system may help establish consistent training programmes nationwide and also increase the uptake of the same, which is to the benefit of riders themselves, particularly those who don’t have a long, safe riding history. We are aware that since the NZ Army introduced advanced rider training in the 1980’s there have been no motorcycle fatalities involving army personnel.

There may be some inequities in the ACC scheme, but in terms of motor vehicle levies (on your registration) motorcycles are the only road user class receiving a subsidy (from cars, trucks and buses), even after accounting for accidents which are not the riders’ fault. Off-road motorbike or on-road bicycle accidents are covered by the Earner’s levy collected from income tax."

[Bald Eagle]

Here is the reply I got from the AA.
I replied to this that the AA should represent all road users and asked if they had any members who rode motorcycles contributing to their decisions.
I also asked if they were in contact with BRONZ and if not would the AA would be intersted in meeting with them.



"In response to your comments on the ACC levies, the AA said in our submission on the proposed levy increases that we believe they are too much and will only discourage ‘bike owners from paying them which is undesirable. They need to be set at an affordable level, but one which also better reflects the higher costs of accidents involving motorcycles (taking into account relative fault). The AA has also met with the ACC Minister, ACC twice, and also presented to the parliamentary select committee considering changes to the ACC legislation that will reduce the proposed levies considerably. You can find copies of our submissions here: http://www.aa.co.nz/about/submissions/Pages/2009-AA-submissions-to-Government.aspx

The AA is cautious about introducing risk rating to any road users, but we believe it could be trialled for motorcyclists as that may help significantly reduce the size of the levies. We are aware that there are experienced riders like yourself who have decades-long safe riding records which could be rewarded by a discount. We consider recognising skills and experience may be a way of appeasing motorcyclists who are facing large levy increases, although the idea needs further research so that relatively unskilled riders aren’t unduly penalised. Currently there is no recognised national standard for rider training, so such a rating system may help establish consistent training programmes nationwide and also increase the uptake of the same, which is to the benefit of riders themselves, particularly those who don’t have a long, safe riding history. We are aware that since the NZ Army introduced advanced rider training in the 1980’s there have been no motorcycle fatalities involving army personnel.

There may be some inequities in the ACC scheme, but in terms of motor vehicle levies (on your registration) motorcycles are the only road user class receiving a subsidy (from cars, trucks and buses), even after accounting for accidents which are not the riders’ fault. Off-road motorbike or on-road bicycle accidents are covered by the Earner’s levy collected from income tax."

So they have been as conned by the ACC and Ministers mis-speak as many others. We can expect no help from an organisation who still believe cars are subsidising bikes.
Thats them kicked into touch as far as I am concerned.

[Voltaire]

So they have been as conned by the ACC and Ministers mis-speak as many others. We can expect no help from an organisation who still believe cars are subsidising bikes.
Thats them kicked into touch as far as I am concerned.

I would suggest going to see them, not as bikers but as members who have a variety of transport options.
I have to say that I don't read ''Directions"when it arrives in the post, or fill in the voting papers...and looks what happens when the hard core run the show.....reminds me of Unions.


Protest rides, getting in the papers and on the TV are all very well but it appears to me that all the real action takes place in meeting rooms behind closed doors. These guys are there for the long haul....
While we are outside riding they are inside shafting.
.....just an observation.

[mowgli]

I've had a couple of responses from AA. To their credit they have been very helpful, open and willing to provide detailed information to back up their claims. Attached is the discussion so far. I've scrubbed all reference to the analyst.

[Pixie]

I note that there is no code for road condition factors in the data.
Ergo,if you come of on melted tar,shit or gravel you had no warning of,it gets coded as "too fast for the conditions".
Roading authorities get off scott free.

[mowgli]

I note that there is no code for road condition factors in the data.
Ergo,if you come of on melted tar,shit or gravel you had no warning of,it gets coded as "too fast for the conditions".
Roading authorities get off scott free.
Road condition might be included in "Other" which is the fourth most common causal factor.

[Voltaire]

I've had a couple of responses from AA. To their credit they have been very helpful, open and willing to provide detailed information to back up their claims. Attached is the discussion so far. I've scrubbed all reference to the analyst.

I too sent a couple of emails to the AA but mine were not as well written as yours and you got more information from them.:2thumbsup

My head is starting to hurt with all the different figures being thrown around.

It would be good to see more rider training days come from this.
I got a lot out of a rider training day at Hampton Downs and I'd like to do more of them.

[duckonin]

Will they give lessons to the cage drivers too? So they know to look out for motorcyclists too??

Nah, didn't think so!

Whooptie shit! a reduction in levies. They can go suck arse!

100%...The bull shit is you can memorize 25 questions then go out and learn to drive or ride...

[Owl]

100%...The bull shit is you can memorize 25 questions then go out and learn to drive or ride...

Bugger, that hard?:blink: How many are you allowed to get wrong?:whistle:

[Noidy]

The AA is cautious about introducing risk rating to any road users, but we believe it could be trialled for motorcyclists as that may help significantly reduce the size of the levies. We are aware that there are experienced riders like yourself who have decades-long safe riding records which could be rewarded by a discount. We consider recognising skills and experience may be a way of appeasing motorcyclists who are facing large levy increases, although the idea needs further research so that relatively unskilled riders aren’t unduly penalised.


If the vehicle is subject to levies how are they going to achieve this? Can we get the full story?

[Voltaire]

If the vehicle is subject to levies how are they going to achieve this? Can we get the full story?

Probably have to join the AA/ or Political Party, go to meetings, get on a committee....etc....

Personally I find death-by-meeting too much for me, listening to endless droning....but the reality is they are the ones who end up making the decisions that we have to live by. :(

So thats why I cannot complain about the outcome.:baby: