Track or Road

[beyond]

Ok, many people have had a go at me over the years for going a little quicker on the road then they think I should and have said, if you want to find out what riding is all about go track.

I'm not talking about my mates here that all know me well and that have ridden with me in the past, but I'm talking about those who think they know me and have suggested all kind of things over the years.

As you know (if you're a regular visitor to KB) I did my first track day a few weeks back and by booking too late ended up in the fast group. I didn't mind at all and really enjoyed being in the fast group and had a lot of fun.

I learnt a few things though. In fifteen minutes of full throttle riding and full on the brakes at the end of Pukekohe's straight leading into the hairpin, things do get rather hot. I can see high rates of wear on tyres, discs, pads and peg feeler bolts. So one really needs a dedicated track bike and of course a sponsor otherwise the bank balance is going to get hit pretty hard.

I have ridden my K6 fairly hard on the road over it's 33,000km life which I traded a K2 for after riding it 35,000kms. But, on the road things get a chance to cool down for various reasons.

As mentioned in my post on my first track day, after two sessions, the scorpion logo on my exhaust went black around the edges and started melting away and I blued my front discs somewhat under very hard braking at the end of the back straight. I never felt out of my depth and was comfortable on the track. It's a real buzz and your fifteen minute sessions go real quick.

Yep, I did enjoy it and going hard out was really cool. You get a good work out as well as your bike. I appreciated Puddy allowing me to tuck in behind him for the first 2 laps to get a feel of the track and the right lines as track riding is a little different to road lines.

At the end of it all and thinking over that day.... I still prefer road riding over the track. That's not to say I won't do any more track days.

Why is this, you might say? I think it's all about the unknown, that every corner is not the same, that it's always different, unpredictable, dangerous, even though track days are certainly that when on the ragged edge.

I prefer a rapid run on a well know long curvy, technical piece of road then a full on blast around a track. Both are a lot of fun, don't get me wrong, but road riding has that extra element. Can't quite put a finger on it. maybe it's you just don't know whats around the corner and you need to prepared to take evasive action, or change your line becuase of a patch of seal or dead possum.

Your reactions have to be spot on and in some ways you have to concentrate a lot more when you up the pace. I dunno, there's something about riding a decent road on a bike. It's always changing, nothing is ever exactly the same.

The 1400 is actually a great track bike but maybe would be even more fun on a more technical track as the back straight on Puke limits the bike somewhat. I thought riders would pass me a lot quicker but the 1400 managed to get off the clock at an "indicated" 260kmh. It's fast but I've sat at off the clock speeds between Taupo and Napier for sustained periods anyway and of course other areas where it's been 'safe' to do so, so speeds not the issue.

Road or track... each to their own I say. For me, road has it over the track but maybe a session on Taupo or Hampdon may have me changing my mind. :)

[PirateJafa]

I race on the road so that everyone can see how cool I am. :tugger:

[beyond]

LOL :) I'm sure you'll get some complimentary posts for that statement :)

[TygerTung]

I do both, and each has their own merits, but I prefer the track as you can go hard out, and not have to worry about run off area's or getting run over by cars etc.

[Katman]

and not have to worry about run off area's or getting run over by cars etc.

Paul's way too cool to have to concern himself with such mundane matters.

[beyond]

I do both, and each has their own merits, but I prefer the track as you can go hard out, and not have to worry about run off area's or getting run over by cars etc.

For sure, but Puke has very few runoff areas unless head butting the armco is your thing should it all go belly up. Apart from the sand pit to play in at the end of the back straight and a decent runoff at Jennian, there's not much else and you're close to the barrier and hard bits a lot of the time.

[beyond]

Paul's way too cool to have to concern himself with such mundane matters.

On the contrary, I always worry about such matters. How are you Katman?
Alls well I hope.

[Katman]

On the contrary, I always worry about such matters. How are you Katman?
Alls well I hope.

I see you've at least felt self concious enough to photoshop your avatar.

[beyond]

I see Katman is allowed to red rep again. Back to his old tricks as soon as he gets the rep ability back again. :(

Funny enough, in all my time on KB I have never Red repped anyone.

[beyond]

Haven't photoshopped any avatars at any time. I don't actually have photoshop and why would I need to????

[TygerTung]

For sure, but Puke has very few runoff areas unless head butting the armco is your thing should it all go belly up. Apart from the sand pit to play in at the end of the back straight and a decent runoff at Jennian, there's not much else and you're close to the barrier and hard bits a lot of the time.

Oh right, well I have never been to Puke before, having only ever raced down south at Ruapuna and Teratonga

[Katman]

Haven't photoshopped any avatars at any time. I don't actually have photoshop and why would I need to????

Did the centre line move itself then?

[PirateJafa]

you can go hard out, and not have to worry about run off area's or getting run over by cars etc.

Don't worry. I understand that the bark chips as he and his bike tumble across the kiddies playground is "ample runoff" for him.

[beyond]

Different clip from the video is all. By the way... FYI that particular corner has 100% visibility for about 300 metres.

[steve_t]

I see Katman is allowed to red rep again. Back to his old tricks as soon as he gets the rep ability back again. :(

Funny enough, in all my time on KB I have never Red repped anyone.

Come on... you're gonna try and tell us that you didn't expect Katman to red rep you? Had you finished after talking about your track experience, I'm sure he'd have had no problem. Publically advocating that it is 'safe' on any public road to ride "off the clock" for "sustained periods" was surely only there to bait Katman :chase: :jerry::jerry:

[beyond]

Shit, I don't know why I bother posting with all the crap that gets thrown around on here lately. Gone are the days when anyone could get on here, make a comment and have some reasonable feedback.

A lot of you negative guys need to get a life and start thinking about something positive instead of slamming everyone that posts on this site.

Soon, there'll only be the morose, negative, back stabbing, unhappy campers that come here to see who else they can kick after a post.

What bullshit!

[steve_t]

Actually, I quite enjoyed reading your recount of your track day. I haven't been on one but look for to doing one some time. It was just that when I got to the last third of your post, I instantly knew what the subsequent posts esp with Katman were gonna be like...

;)

[Pussy]

Proudly proclaiming a sustained 260km/h plus on the Taupo/Napier is really a bit like proudly proclaiming getting away with drunk driving, rooting a five year old etc

[beyond]

Proudly proclaiming a sustained 260km/h plus on the Taupo/Napier is really a bit like proudly proclaiming getting away with drunk driving, rooting a five year old etc


Not really, when drunk you are not in control of your faculties and should you be involved in the latter, you are letting your faculties control you.

[McJim]

Mmmmm - back straight at Pukekohe - how late are you prepared to brake?:Punk:

I don't feel comfortable riding flat out on the road. Seen too many sheep, cattle, pedestrians, killer campervans, stock trucks, diesel spills, loose grit, badly signposted roadworks and parked cars round blind bends to be happy cornering at 90% or more.

But whatever floats your boat. :2thumbsup:

[beyond]

Mmmmm - back straight at Pukekohe - how late are you prepared to brake?:Punk:

I don't feel comfortable riding flat out on the road. Seen too many sheep, cattle, pedestrians, killer campervans, stock trucks, diesel spills, loose grit, badly signposted roadworks and parked cars round blind bends to be happy cornering at 90% or more.

But whatever floats your boat. :2thumbsup:

90% would be my maximum on the open road as well. Even when you know the road and choose your place I would be hard pressed to go beyond the 90% threshold. Leaving something in reserve is always good practice.

The sustained 260 + kmh was three years back when I was made redundant and then on those long open straights with heaps of visibility either side.

[Katman]

Shit, I don't know why I bother posting

Been wondering that myself.

[SixPackBack]

Ok, many people have had a go at me over the years for going a little quicker on the road then they think I should and have said, if you want to find out what riding is all about go track.

I'm not talking about my mates here that all know me well and that have ridden with me in the past, but I'm talking about those who think they know me and have suggested all kind of things over the years.

As you know (if you're a regular visitor to KB) I did my first track day a few weeks back and by booking too late ended up in the fast group. I didn't mind at all and really enjoyed being in the fast group and had a lot of fun.

I learnt a few things though. In fifteen minutes of full throttle riding and full on the brakes at the end of Pukekohe's straight leading into the hairpin, things do get rather hot. I can see high rates of wear on tyres, discs, pads and peg feeler bolts. So one really needs a dedicated track bike and of course a sponsor otherwise the bank balance is going to get hit pretty hard.

I have ridden my K6 fairly hard on the road over it's 33,000km life which I traded a K2 for after riding it 35,000kms. But, on the road things get a chance to cool down for various reasons.

As mentioned in my post on my first track day, after two sessions, the scorpion logo on my exhaust went black around the edges and started melting away and I blued my front discs somewhat under very hard braking at the end of the back straight. I never felt out of my depth and was comfortable on the track. It's a real buzz and your fifteen minute sessions go real quick.

Yep, I did enjoy it and going hard out was really cool. You get a good work out as well as your bike. I appreciated Puddy allowing me to tuck in behind him for the first 2 laps to get a feel of the track and the right lines as track riding is a little different to road lines.

At the end of it all and thinking over that day.... I still prefer road riding over the track. That's not to say I won't do any more track days.

Why is this, you might say? I think it's all about the unknown, that every corner is not the same, that it's always different, unpredictable, dangerous, even though track days are certainly that when on the ragged edge.

I prefer a rapid run on a well know long curvy, technical piece of road then a full on blast around a track. Both are a lot of fun, don't get me wrong, but road riding has that extra element. Can't quite put a finger on it. maybe it's you just don't know whats around the corner and you need to prepared to take evasive action, or change your line becuase of a patch of seal or dead possum.

Your reactions have to be spot on and in some ways you have to concentrate a lot more when you up the pace. I dunno, there's something about riding a decent road on a bike. It's always changing, nothing is ever exactly the same.

The 1400 is actually a great track bike but maybe would be even more fun on a more technical track as the back straight on Puke limits the bike somewhat. I thought riders would pass me a lot quicker but the 1400 managed to get off the clock at an "indicated" 260kmh. It's fast but I've sat at off the clock speeds between Taupo and Napier for sustained periods anyway and of course other areas where it's been 'safe' to do so, so speeds not the issue.

Road or track... each to their own I say. For me, road has it over the track but maybe a session on Taupo or Hampdon may have me changing my mind. :)

Agree with some of your comments Paul. Nothing is better than SH16, the Mangamukas, or the road from Dargaville to Opononi.
Trackdays can be fun, but the processional element quickly wanes in my opinion. Learning to lean further and ride in a manner that the road does not allow while adding to my skill base is the real attraction.

[erik]

Track and road. I like them both, both different.

Try Taupo and Hampton Downs also, they're quite different to Pukekohe.