How to break through the barrier?

[Tony.OK]

Ok so I seem to be stuck at a certain level with my times etc.

At what point does someone need to get some advice as to where to go next in regards to improvement?

I've done my own testing of different idea's with lines and trying holding different gears etc............but whatever I do I end up with the same times.

Is it just a matter of more more more time on track?

[Devil]

Training. It's a lot more efficient than just riding around seeing what will happen.

Why dont you sign up for the California Superbike School.

[Sidewinder]

Ok so I seem to be stuck at a certain level with my times etc.

At what point does someone need to get some advice as to where to go next in regards to improvement?

I've done my own testing of different idea's with lines and trying holding different gears etc............but whatever I do I end up with the same times.

Is it just a matter of more more more time on track?

no its the fact that you have a hondaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[White trash]

At what point? When they hit a brick wall and can't improve. The thing is, it's important to have advice from the right person. For instance, Craig can't tell me how to ride faster. He's tried. It doesn't work because I can't grasp how to acheive what he's saying.

However, one day with Mr Harris at Pukekohe, 2.3 seconds vanished over 4 sessions on the track. Everything he says, works in my brain.

But eventually, everyone gets to a point where they're not going to go any faster no matter what they do.

[Sidewinder]

Training. It's a lot more efficient than just riding around seeing what will happen.

Why dont you sign up for the California Superbike School.

hes not that slow that he needs that

[Tony.OK]

Training. It's a lot more efficient than just riding around seeing what will happen.

Why dont you sign up for the California Superbike School.
If I could afford it I would, I have watched a UK series about the CSS and have been using their techniques which do help.

no its the fact that you have a hondaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
ha bikes faster than I am

At what point? When they hit a brick wall and can't improve. The thing is, it's important to have advice from the right person. For instance, Craig can't tell me how to ride faster. He's tried. It doesn't work because I can't grasp how to acheive what he's saying.

However, one day with Mr Harris at Pukekohe, 2.3 seconds vanished over 4 sessions on the track. Everything he says, works in my brain.

But eventually, everyone gets to a point where they're not going to go any faster no matter what they do.

I hear ya Jimmy, tried following Hayden yesterday but he buggered off too quick to learn anything lol. Maybe I'm just a little worried about falling off if I push too hard still?

Just have to keep trying!

[Sidewinder]

most bins wins bruh! try some real rubber aswell that may help a lill too

[scrivy]

However, one day with Mr Harris at Pukekohe, 2.3 seconds vanished over 4 sessions on the track. Everything he says, works in my brain.


WTF???? Your brain works like Shauns!!!! Well, you're screwed then!!!! :devil2::clap::rolleyes:

[Sidewinder]

WTF???? Your brain works like Shauns!!!! Well, you're screwed then!!!! :devil2::clap::rolleyes:

did you not hear that jimmy got dropped on his head aswel?

[KS34]

I've got some Suzuki stickers you can have! And if you ever feel the need to go slower you know my number. In all seriousness though its never a wrong time to get coaching, if you got say three or four riders and approached someone like Shaun to see if he could help on a day and split the cost. I learnt heaps from Aaron Slight on a honda rider training day.

[scrivy]

I hear ya Jimmy, tried following Hayden yesterday but he buggered off too quick to learn anything lol. Maybe I'm just a little worried about falling off if I push too hard still?

Just have to keep trying!

Tony, having people tell you to do something doesn't always work. What I find useful for newbies (I know you're not) is to follow other experienced racers around. Tell them not to bugger off too fast, so you can get to learn some other lines. They may work for you, they may not.
What you have to ensure is you are running the same type of gear, ie. same tyres, same pressures, same suspension set ups, etc, etc. This should ultimately let you know that if they can easily get around a corner at x speed, then so should you!!
What I like to do (may sound stupid - but then hey - that's me), is to massively over inflate my tyres, and have my suspension set on rock solid. This lets me slide everywhere all the time. This is the fastest way for me to learn how to control slides and learn what happens at full speed and also in the event of a near disaster!! It very quickly hones your skills!
I know I'm on a sidecar - but I also use the theory on my solos too!

More to the point - it gives spectators something to watch..... :clap::niceone:

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

try to understand where you are relatively slower than others ie, entry to turn, mid turn, exit. break it all down and work on one area at a time.

eg. if you are losing on exit/drive, try rolling on earlier mid turn and faster. if the back is sliding around and limiting drive look at tyres and suspention for a partial solution.

if it is mid turn, try carrying more speed from corner entry through to mid turn.

need to get in behind (and stay behind) faster riders to see where you are losing time. work on one area at a time. make each lap count. each lap you should be working towards improving in one area, dont just go out and ride, focus on making full use of every lap. track time is expensive. have a plan and get it done.

hope that helps:niceone:

[Devil]

hes not that slow that he needs that

Its quite relevant no matter how fast you are or how long you've been riding.

[jrandom]

What I like to do is to massively over inflate my tyres, and have my suspension set on rock solid. This lets me slide everywhere all the time.

Y'know, Scrivy, we would never have guessed you'd take an approach like that.

[scrivy]

Y'know, Scrivy, we would never have guessed you'd take an approach like that.

Works for me. Looks like it worked for Betty too....... :devil2:

[johan]

I've found my Mychron3 data logger very valuable. It removes a lot of the guess work trying to figure out where you are inconsistent and such.

[Sidewinder]

Its quite relevant no matter how fast you are or how long you've been riding.

but what if you have to teach the teachers?

[avgas]

Change the music you listen to before track time.

I am not bullshitting about this either. I have met 3 racers so far that have used this - and cut time.

I did it once for one of my loops - I pushed things a whole lot quicker and harder.

There was also a rumour that this is why the stig had classical - as it slowed him down a bit through the top gear track which only gives good times for consistency.

[avgas]

What I like to do (may sound stupid - but then hey - that's me), is to massively over inflate my tyres, and have my suspension set on rock solid. This lets me slide everywhere all the time. This is the fastest way for me to learn how to control slides and learn what happens at full speed and also in the event of a near disaster!! It very quickly hones your skills!
Wow - this is exactly how I like to ride!!! SCARY someone thinks like me

[steveyb]

I know that this won't sound popular, but my advice is to NOT start racing on a Superbike!
Start racing on a small bike (400, 450, 250 Proddy [best in my book]) and learn to ride the nuts off it.
Then move to bigger bikes that require more skill, knowledge, experience.

Like the Oirishman once said, "Well, if you want to get to there, Oi wouldn't be staartin from here".

[Sidewinder]

I know that this won't sound popular, but my advice is to NOT start racing on a Superbike!
Start racing on a small bike (400, 450, 250 Proddy [best in my book]) and learn to ride the nuts off it.
Then move to bigger bikes that require more skill, knowledge, experience.

Like the Oirishman once said, "Well, if you want to get to there, Oi wouldn't be staartin from here".

hes pretty handy on his 1000 tho

[Devil]

but what if you have to teach the teachers?

Unless you're Keith Code, I dont see much chance of that happening.

[Sidewinder]

Unless you're Keith Code, I dont see much chance of that happening.

bro i had to show the guy that was scirting or how every you spell it as to what he should realy be looking at........

[Devil]

...that was scirting ...

That was what? I cant even guess what you're trying to spell.

[Tony.OK]

I know that this won't sound popular, but my advice is to NOT start racing on a Superbike!
Start racing on a small bike (400, 450, 250 Proddy [best in my book]) and learn to ride the nuts off it.
Then move to bigger bikes that require more skill, knowledge, experience.

Like the Oirishman once said, "Well, if you want to get to there, Oi wouldn't be staartin from here".

Ha well its too late for that now...............I'm doomed :(

[Biggles08]

Ha well its too late for that now...............I'm doomed :(


Well this is the best news I've had all day...you just stay at your pace and wait for me bro...then I can tag onto you and see some new lines :-) gollllld bluuuuur!:clap:
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[jellywrestler]

Brian Bernard is the man, his own results and the results of his riders will prove this, he's available to coach you and it will be a great investment.
Brians picking up a bike this weekend for coaching purposes.

[CHOPPA]

Motocross!

[Tony.OK]

Motocross!

Had to get rid of the RM cause I kept scaring myself silly on it hahaa.

Was great for fitness and getting used to having the bike moving under ya though.

[Pussy]

Brian Bernard is the man, his own results and the results of his riders will prove this, he's available to coach you and it will be a great investment.
Brians picking up a bike this weekend for coaching purposes.

+1!
Brian is a good bastard, too! He has a great teaching ability

[gixerracer]

Ok so I seem to be stuck at a certain level with my times etc.

At what point does someone need to get some advice as to where to go next in regards to improvement?

I've done my own testing of different idea's with lines and trying holding different gears etc............but whatever I do I end up with the same times.

Is it just a matter of more more more time on track?

Tony it is really very easy just brake heaps later go roound the corners way faster and open the gas much sooner and harder and you lap times will tumble I can not figure out why jimmy couldnt follow my advice:bleh:
The superbike school at hampton would be ideal as would brian bernard either way will be the best money you will ever spend if you are stuck in a rut

[Shaun]

Unless you're Keith Code, I dont see much chance of that happening.

Kieth Code is NOT there, Just his Buisness name. His boys there, are Taught by him, so teachers being taught by a teacher

[Shaun]

At what point? When they hit a brick wall and can't improve. The thing is, it's important to have advice from the right person. For instance, Craig can't tell me how to ride faster. He's tried. It doesn't work because I can't grasp how to acheive what he's saying.

However, one day with Mr Harris at Pukekohe, 2.3 seconds vanished over 4 sessions on the track. Everything he says, works in my brain.

But eventually, everyone gets to a point where they're not going to go any faster no matter what they do.



Glad I serviced you well mate:Oops:

[Devil]

Kieth Code is NOT there, Just his Buisness name. His boys there, are Taught by him, so teachers being taught by a teacher
Exactly the point I was after. Its his program, and thats what the coaches teach.

[roadracingoldfart]

Ok so I seem to be stuck at a certain level with my times etc.

At what point does someone need to get some advice as to where to go next in regards to improvement?

I've done my own testing of different idea's with lines and trying holding different gears etc............but whatever I do I end up with the same times.

Is it just a matter of more more more time on track?


Easy Tony , Give it just enough shit to make a differance:yes: , but not so much as to make shit happen :eek5::bash:

[White trash]

Tony it is really very easy just brake heaps later go roound the corners way faster and open the gas much sooner and harder and you lap times will tumble I can not figure out why jimmy couldnt follow my advice:bleh:
The superbike school at hampton would be ideal as would brian bernard either way will be the best money you will ever spend if you are stuck in a rut
Take that advice and something will be sure to tumble.

You're not a bad bike racer, but your advice and descriptive skills rank right alongside your karting skills. Seriously average.

[FROSTY]

Tony I can't claim to be any expert. But i found i sat at a certain speed level for ages. What worked for me was just saying fuckit who cares and relaxing and slowing down. I relaxed and the lap times stayed the same. then the laptimes started to tumble bit by bit.
Maybee you are putting pressure on youself andrelaxing will help ya have fun.
Another thingi tried was foccussing on two corners --the two I was fucking up the most. The rest of the track i just coasted.

[marty]

get rid of the lap timer. it's the best way to go faster no matter what timed sport you are doing.

[oyster]

I've coached heaps of people out of this rut. What doesn't work is the "tell them how to do it" and the "bungy cord, follow me around approach"
What does work is to take a break from the "perfect" No 1 bike they're riding and go riding for fun on such like as old proddy bikes, classics, buckets and mouldy trail bikes with shitty tyres and suspension. Add a bit of mountain biking, especially downhill.This trains the conscious and auto responsory skills. When they "come back" this skill and mental fitness
instanty makes a big improvement.
Skill isn't learned, it's like a muscle, it needs time and practice. To do this well, use the head and a structured approach.

[lostinflyz]

Tony I can't claim to be any expert. But i found i sat at a certain speed level for ages. What worked for me was just saying fuckit who cares and relaxing and slowing down. I relaxed and the lap times stayed the same. then the laptimes started to tumble bit by bit.
Maybee you are putting pressure on youself andrelaxing will help ya have fun.
Another thingi tried was foccussing on two corners --the two I was fucking up the most. The rest of the track i just coasted.

this is solid advice. i spent 9 months this year pushing as hard as i could, crashing a fair bit and my times weren't improving and eventually my condfidence was pretty shattered.

Eventually i decide to relax and just flow with it a bit more, got a gps lap timer that gave splits all round the track so i knew what i was actually doing and let be what would be. and rode lots. At first i didn't really go much faster but i got super consistent, to the point where i was doing whole races with pb's just 0.1 faster than every other lap.

Then lately its just started to flow. last weekend, i gained 2 seconds round ruapuna, first improvement there all year, and my logger is still saying if i did my best times at every corner, i can do a lap that would be another second faster.

[gixerracer]

this is solid advice. i spent 9 months this year pushing as hard as i could, crashing a fair bit and my times weren't improving and eventually my condfidence was pretty shattered.

Eventually i decide to relax and just flow with it a bit more, got a gps lap timer that gave splits all round the track so i knew what i was actually doing and let be what would be. and rode lots. At first i didn't really go much faster but i got super consistent, to the point where i was doing whole races with pb's just 0.1 faster than every other lap.

Then lately its just started to flow. last weekend, i gained 2 seconds round ruapuna, first improvement there all year, and my logger is still saying if i did my best times at every corner, i can do a lap that would be another second faster.

wer do ya get that type of timing device from?

[zxr400#150]

on the keith code side of it. have u read a twist of the wrist and a twist of the wrist two? there a road racers bible on how to go faster. helped for me

[lostinflyz]

wer do ya get that type of timing device from?

www.racesupplies.co.nz

Kevin will hook you up. He should have them in stock, and he will keep you up to date on updates too.

http://www.xtracing.com/en/gpxpro/index.php

for details on them.

They cost a few pennies, but what you learn if you sit and think about what your doing a bit, is worth more than alot more expensive modifications you can make.