The AA

[Voltaire]

There are lots of KBers talking about cancelling insurance and membership.
Ringing up some call centre operator and venting is ok for a minute....but just how many KBers are members and have insurance with the AA.
Putting my motorist hat on , I think they do a good job.....but what has brought about their attitude against their two wheeled road sharing cousins???
Probably lack of motorcyclists within.

I propose to go and see one of their senior brass and find out.
I have already written two letters complaining about their stance on the Northern Gateway and ACC proposals.

Its an Incorporated Society so as members you have a say.....although your voting papers probably get binned....as the names on the list mean nothing...

It would be interesting to see what numbers we have as a potential voting bloc.

[flyingcrocodile46]

There are lots of KBers talking about cancelling insurance and membership.
Ringing up some call centre operator and venting is ok for a minute....but just how many KBers are members and have insurance with the AA.
Putting my motorist hat on , I think they do a good job.....but what has brought about their attitude against their two wheeled road sharing cousins???
Probably lack of motorcyclists within.

I propose to go and see one of their senior brass and find out.
I have already written two letters complaining about their stance on the Northern Gateway and ACC proposals.

Its an Incorporated Society so as members you have a say.....although your voting papers probably get binned....as the names on the list mean nothing...

It would be interesting to see what numbers we have as a potential voting bloc.

Me no member. I use Swann insurance (& their breakdown service) and AMI

Sorry

Good idea though

[sunhuntin]

im not a member either, and never will be. bad enough ive gotta go through them to get my license. currently im uninsured [bad charley, bad!] but have used star insurance in the past, but ditched them after getting a cheaper quote from kiwibike. star insurance i thought was quite good as they allowed me to use a call out after mum locked her keys in the car. pity they were so expensive... $500 a year.

[wickle]

Been a member for a few years now, must be the branch's/office's in other areas have found them always very helpful locally, have also used them for resuce (AA plus) arranged the return to home of friends bike I [I]had borrowed for ride[I]

[zahria]

I'm a member, Happy with their service, unhappy with their stance on Acc for Bikers.
Am entering correspondence soon to let them know my position.
Curiously noted the Fatal down south re: modded illegal WRX. Do they have a stance on vehicle mods and levies?

[p.dath]

I have just emailed the AA asking when there next AGM, and how I can find out the stance of the current board members with regard to ACC and motorbikes, so I can work out who to vote for.

[p.dath]

After much painfull searching, I finally found the rules for the AA:
http://www.aa.co.nz/SiteCollectionDocuments/doc/NZAA_rules.doc

Basically each district has a council, and then there is a National Council composed of members from the district council.

The AGM's for the district councils have to happen in February, and the national council on or shortly after the 28th of February.

Those wanting to become a district councillor may optionally forward to the chair up to 120 words describing themselves and their experience. This may be requested from the chair.


So this is what I'm thinking. For each district, lets put forward a motion (has to be done in writing about a month before the AGM) that the district support the Woodhouse principles, and that motorcycles not have their levy assessed on risk - and that all road users contribute the same - as per the Woodhouse principles.

I would guess that 100 votes would probably be enough to carry such a motion (I can't see that many people being so incensed as to actually vote against it). We don't actually all have to attend, we can give a proxy vote to someone we trust.

I would also suggest we put forward a motion that all councillors standing for election declare their thoughts on the issue - so we can make it clear that we don't wish to vote those councillors in.


If we managed to get at least half the districts to pass the motion, then the national council would have a majority of support for the entire association to adopt the bike friendly view.

It if gets to the National level, I wonder if we could propose a constitutional change that all road users are to be treated similary by the AA.


One thing to note. Reading through the rules, I can't see any requirement that you have to reside in the district for which you are voting. So if we could get 1,000 KB AA members to give their proxy vote to one person to attend each meeting, then we are likely to get what we want - support of another major organisation with lots of Government lobbyists.

[p.dath]

Has anyone got any idea how many people usually turn up to the AA's Auckland district meeting?

[p.dath]

Sorry for the repeat posts, but this is the important bits from the rules:

28(a):

The Annual General Meeting of the Personal members of the Association shall be held as soon as practicable after the 28th day of February in every year at a time and place as may be decided by the National Council but with the intent of holding it if possible the evening preceding the Annual Conference. The business of the Annual General Meeting of the Association shall be to receive the Annual Report and Balance Sheet, to be notified of the appointment of the National Councillors, to appoint an Auditor, and to transact any other business of which due notice has been given or which these Rules otherwise provide for.

28(e):

A notice of motion to be put to a General Meeting of the Association shall be in writing and in the hands of the Chief Executive not less than one (1) calendar month prior to the General meeting at which the motion is to be considered. The Chief Executive shall upon receipt of any notice of motion forward to each District Council a copy of the notice.

30(a):

(a) At all General Meetings of the Association every Personal member present in person is entitled to one vote or if a Personal member is unable to attend that member may by written notice, on the form prescribed and personally signed by that member, appoint a proxy to attend and vote on that member’s behalf.

[The Everlasting]

Nope,I have all my insurance with state,I would never use the AA.

When I went for my license,they asked me about 5 times whether i wanted insurance with them,they sure are persistent!

After hearing that they approve of the levies,i won't ever go to one of their branches again!

[Trudes]

I've been sent my membership renewal, however they can suck my balls, they won't get another cent out of me. Thanks for 12 years of nothing AA.

[p.dath]

We could also move that the objectives be changed from:

(a)
To promote an organisation or association of persons who own motor vehicles or are otherwise interested in motoring.

to:

(a)
To promote an organisation or association of persons who own motor vehicles, motorbikes or are otherwise interested in motoring.


What do you think? Can we turn the AA in our favour? I think we could!

[Ixion]

OK. 28th Feb. I think we have just set the date for BIKEOI-2 . x thousand bikers dropping in on the AGM (y% being actual members) might make them think again

[p.dath]

OK. 28th Feb. I think we have just set the date for BIKEOI-2 . x thousand bikers dropping in on the AGM (y% being actual members) might make them think again

The thing I like about the AA is they have a formal advocacy group, an advertising budget, Government lobbyists, and a huge member base to make them look credible.

I need to find out where the national AGM is held.


EDIT: If it happens on February 28th, then that is a Sunday, and would help get a good turn out!

[Conquiztador]

Has anyone got any idea how many people usually turn up to the AA's Auckland district meeting?

U, my friend, are scary! Imagine if this can be pulled off! AA would suddenly change direction...

[BMWST?]

We could also move that the objectives be changed from:

(a)

to:

(a)


What do you think? Can we turn the AA in our favour? I think we could!

motorcycle=motor vehicle

[bogan]

an excellent plan, with the proxy voting, I have about 6 people in the family who would proxy me thier vote, but that probly means I would have to become an AA member I spose. I would imagine a lot of other bikers would be in a similar situation.

[p.dath]

U, my friend, are scary! Imagine if this can be pulled off! AA would suddenly change direction...

I so think it could be pulled off. The trick is to know how many people usually attend the national annual general meeting.

Lets say it's 500 people. Lets say, 250 of them don't care about the issue and don't vote on it. Of the remaining 250, lets say 50 vote for us, and 150 vote against us.

Then lets say 500 bikers vote.

Game over.

[Conquiztador]

AA Membership costs:

Auckland (broadly Bombay to Orewa*) $89 first year
Elsewhere in NZ %77 first year

[Conquiztador]

I so think it could be pulled off. The trick is to know how many people usually attend the national annual general meeting.

Lets say it's 500 people. Lets say, 250 of them don't care about the issue and don't vote on it. Of the remaining 250, lets say 50 vote for us, and 150 vote against us.

Then lets say 500 bikers vote.

Game over.

AND all bikers have a bunch of proxy votes with them...

[Ixion]

No. The trick is to know how many of the 'members' assign their proxy vote toi the chairman of the meeting. This is an option for all members.

If even 1% of the sheeple assign their proxy to the chairman , we will be massively outvoted. (Though 1% is a big ask for sheeple)

[Conquiztador]

No. The trick is to know how many of the 'members' assign their proxy vote toi the chairman of the meeting. This is an option for all members.

If even 1% of the sheeple assign their proxy to the chairman , we will be massively outvoted. (Though 1% is a big ask for sheeple)

OK, we should be able to get the minutes from the Feb 2008 meeting, that should tell us...

[p.dath]

motorcycle=motor vehicle

Yes, I think the AA's first objective says they should be supporting motorcycles as well. However if we amended the first objective to specifically include motorcycles then there could be no confusion with the general members. The board is accountable for for-fulling the objectives, and they have some accountability over it.

Also objective (c) is in our favour:

To co-ordinate, promote, facilitate and protect the interests of its members, whether of international, national or more limited scope, and for such purposes to consult with and where appropriate make such representations and submissions as may be expedient to protect and enhance the interests of its members.

I wouldn't want to do something as extreme as declare a vote of no-confidence in the board - but I would like to raise a motion for the board to re-affirm their commitment to the core objectives of the association. The motorcycle riders are members, and also deserve the associations consideration. And the clearer the written objectives are, the harder it is to say you didn't understand.

[Ixion]

I wouldn't want to do something as extreme as declare a vote of no-confidence in the board - .

I would .

[p.dath]

I would .

Ah but then you would have to replace the board.

You'd have to have new district councillors for every district (since only district councillors can be national board members) ... that's a lot of extra work.

Where as passing rules that bind the board is so much easier ...

But getting district councillors elected that are biker friendly would go a long way to helping (hence my initial suggestion about attending the district meetings as well). The district meetings say they only need a quorum of 7 member! You may well find 10 bikers is enough to win over the meeting.

29(b)
The quorum at all General Meetings of a District shall be seven (7) Personal members present in person.

[Conquiztador]

Ah but then you would have to replace the board.

You'd have to have new district councillors for every district (since only district councillors can be national board members) ... that's a lot of extra work.

Where as passing rules that bind the board is so much easier ...

But getting district councillors elected that are biker friendly would go a long way to helping (hence my initial suggestion about attending the district meetings as well). The district meetings say they only need a quorum of 7 member! You may well find 10 bikers is enough to win over the meeting.

29(b)

A General Meeting (normally held monthly) is not same as Annual General Meeting, or Special General Meeting. Only at AGM's or SGM's can Board members be voted in. And who decides what Board member from the district sits on the National Council?

[p.dath]

A General Meeting (normally held monthly) is not same as Annual General Meeting, or Special General Meeting. Only at AGM's or SGM's can Board members be voted in. And who decides what Board member from the district sits on the National Council?

Basically the district council has to support a candidate to become a board member.

21(d):

(d) Nominations for candidates for the elected positions on the Board must be:
• made in writing
• supported by a resolution of the candidates resident District Council
• signed by a National Councillor from another District and by the nominee, and
• deposited with the Chief Executive at least twenty-eight (28) days before the meeting of the National Council to be held in accordance with Rule 20(d)

[Conquiztador]

Basically the district council has to support a candidate to become a board member.

21(d):

Where did you find their constitutions on line? I have not been able to.

[jeffs]

Yes I know you all know this but, Just to make sure you understand who long they have been actively lobbying the government to up motorbike levies, and understand what you are up against.

This page was Posted 13 May 2009 just before the ACC started working on their discussion doc on ACC levy changes.

AA have always been behind a lot of this.

http://www.aa.co.nz/about/issues/road-safety/Pages/Motorcyclists-and-motorists.aspx


Quote;
"A higher and fairer ACC levy for motorcyclists

The AA is opposed to the continuing cross-subsidisation of motorcycle/moped injuries by other vehicle owners.

Motorcyclists should pay a higher ACC levy that is closer to the actual amount of injury compensation they claim each year. Currently around 80 percent of the cost of motorcycle/moped injuries is funded by motorists and owners of other vehicles. More than 40 percent of motorbike crashes are single vehicle, and the costs for these should be fully covered by motorcyclists."

[p.dath]

Where did you find their constitutions on line? I have not been able to.

Refer to post #7.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129553852&postcount=7

[YellowDog]

I have an AA membership card that gets me 10% off at Burger King. I guess I must therefore be a member. My wife pays that she pays $13 or $15 bucks or something for me to have a spouse membership or something.

So count me in :)

[Conquiztador]

Yes I know you all know this but, Just to make sure you understand who long they have been actively lobbying the government to up motorbike levies, and understand what you are up against.

This page was Posted 13 May 2009 just before the ACC started working on their discussion doc on ACC levy changes.

AA have always been behind a lot of this.

http://www.aa.co.nz/about/issues/road-safety/Pages/Motorcyclists-and-motorists.aspx


Quote;
"A higher and fairer ACC levy for motorcyclists

The AA is opposed to the continuing cross-subsidisation of motorcycle/moped injuries by other vehicle owners.

Motorcyclists should pay a higher ACC levy that is closer to the actual amount of injury compensation they claim each year. Currently around 80 percent of the cost of motorcycle/moped injuries is funded by motorists and owners of other vehicles. More than 40 percent of motorbike crashes are single vehicle, and the costs for these should be fully covered by motorcyclists."

Nice. They really know how to support their members...

[jeffs]

I have both my motorbike insurance and roadside car assistance with the AA. So if you want my proxy vote you have it.

But I recommend your inquire and find out who in the board is the main advocate of this drivel, and vote them off. and make it clear you are planning this, that should make them concerned.

And AA !! We know you are reading this.

So be like the UK and work for all motor transport not just cars. or you will find that being associated with the ACC changes will be detrimental to your profile.

[Conquiztador]

Refer to post #7.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1129553852&postcount=7

Cheers.

Just having a read. here what I find:

- Each year a minimum of two of the District Councillors are to stand down. It is the two who have been serving longest, and they are able to stand for re-election.

- Only at National council level can any national motoring policy issues be decided.

- Note that the AA also has a Board that operates. I know this structure: The National Council only meets once (or a few times) a year. The Board meets once a month and is the one that really runs the show through the CEO.

- The Board is really handpicked by the National Council. There is enough gaps in the constitution for this to happen. You can not get on to the board if you do not have a year in the National Council or on the Board behind you...

And this one:

"26. DISQUALIFICATION OF OFFICERS

A person will be disqualified from holding office as a District Councillor, a National Councillor or as a member of the Board if he or she:

(i) behaves in a manner which in the opinion of a majority of the members of the District Council, National Council or Board (as the case maybe) has brought or may bring the Association into disrepute or in a manner which is contrary to the objects of the Association;"

That one really says: If you do not act as we, the "Old Boys Network" want you to, you are gone!


- The way I read it is that you will need to be in for a minimum a year before you have any chance to make any changes to any national motoring policy, as the regional AGM's are held inside Feb and also the National. But as any proposals need to be lodged a min of one month in advance, you are out of luck...


A cumbersome constitution. And made so that it will be tricky for a "newcomer" to make any impact. It will take a min of a year before anything can happen. And even then, to get past the "Old Boys Network" will be a mammouth task. But it can be done, by those who have the conviction and the stamina to hang in there. Is that us?

[jeffs]

I suspect that means, instead of my proxy vote, you will get my, poxy worthless vote.

Truth is there are so many personal agendas in this small country, they do not even need to hide them, they just get lost in the crowd.

[flyingcrocodile46]

Its an Incorporated Society so as members you have a say

It would be interesting to see what numbers we have as a potential voting bloc.




- The way I read it is that you will need to be in for a minimum a year before you have any chance to make any changes to any national motoring policy, as the regional AGM's are held inside Feb and also the National. But as any proposals need to be lodged a min of one month in advance, you are out of luck...

A cumbersome constitution. And made so that it will be tricky for a "newcomer" to make any impact. It will take a min of a year before anything can happen. And even then, to get past the "Old Boys Network" will be a mammouth task. But it can be done, by those who have the conviction and the stamina to hang in there. Is that us?

Nevertheless it is still a plan worthy of execution. The ongoing need to have a fair representation in shaping future motoring policies particularly around issues such as improving road maintenance standards, rider training, cheese cutter barriers etc, demands that we act to ensure that AA works more closely with and endorses MNZ and Bronze recommendations

[Motu]

They turned me down for a job - bastards,they'll never get anything out of me.

Mind you,the ponytail,beard,scruffy clothes and leather jacket....and turning up on a Norton with open megas didn't help.But they should've seen through the act....I was just dressing up y'know....

[Conquiztador]

They turned me down for a job - bastards,they'll never get anything out of me.

Mind you,the ponytail,beard,scruffy clothes and leather jacket....and turning up on a Norton with open megas didn't help.But they should've seen through the act....I was just dressing up y'know....

So who did get the job as the cook?

[Paul in NZ]

I've dealt professionally and privately with the AA before. Good luck to you. I've never been shafted like I've been shafted by them.

[p.dath]

Cheers.

Just having a read. here what I find:

- Each year a minimum of two of the District Councillors are to stand down. It is the two who have been serving longest, and they are able to stand for re-election.
...

I don't propose trying to get on a district board. I agree, you wont get anywhere.

However I do propose we ask everyone standing for election on their position. We can let them know this is an issue for the association members, and that we have a voting block that will help us vote out anyone strongly opposed to our viewpoint.

If we can get two councillors in every district that support our view then that would be a huge achievement.


And lastly, I'd like to propose we put several motions to the AGM. Namely attempt a constitutional change to explicitly support motorcycles (probably fail on this one, have to have 2/3 of the votes of those present - but hey its easy to propose and you'll never make a change if you don't try).

I'd also like to motion that the association supports the Woodhouse principles of the ACC, and effect a policy change. I think we could achieve this one. I can't see that many car members being so upset that they would bother to actually vote and oppose it.

[Grahameeboy]

I've been sent my membership renewal, however they can suck my balls, they won't get another cent out of me. Thanks for 12 years of nothing AA.

For 12 years they must have done something otherwise you would not have stayed with them...why di they have to share bikers view...

[wingrider]

Was a member but droped them after a bad deal. Staff in the local branch were ok, pestered the hell out of me to rejoin but were only doing their job.

I also used them in my business capacity until they went septic. When i get a rep stating that unless i was going to increase my advertising account, they were not interested in even talking to me, I threw them out.
Sent letter to HQ, got a most unbusiness like reply.

It's not all that long ago that if you rented a car you always got the AA Accommodation guide. Now I dont know of one rental company that supplies it.

I personally think that a lot of members only use them for the breakdown assistance.

[p.dath]

For 12 years they must have done something otherwise you would not have stayed with them...why di they have to share bikers view...

I've been with them 15+ years.

The issue is not so much them not sharing our views - is that they are actively campaigning against us.

We are also members and part of the motoring fraternity. Their first objective (in their own written rules) is to support the motoring fraternity.

I originally joined because of the break down service. Now I'm more tempted to join the Honda Riders club.

[Paul in NZ]

They don't support the motorist - they have become a finance / insurance company and I doubt they give a rats arse about motorists in general.

[Pixie]

They sell a lot of mobility scooters and stair climbers in their magazine though.

And fuggin' pinetree mead's sports valve.:slap:

[Trudes]

For 12 years they must have done something otherwise you would not have stayed with them...why di they have to share bikers view...

In 12 years of membership I have recieved 3 maps, 1 of Hamilton city, one of Tauranga city and one of New Plymouth city. I have recieved 2x $20 petrol vouchers for collecting AA reward points... Flybuys is a better deal. I have called them out to assist me 4 times, once hubby locked the keys in the car and we waited about an hour for them to turn up to get them out, twice for other people locking their keys in cars and once hubby called them for a problem with our old FXR to which he was told they don't deal with bikes and left him there. So no, not really worth paying the $77 worth of membership per annum. I have only kept renewing 'just in case', however knowing how they feel about motorcycles they won't be assisting us with those, and we have our car and van insurance with State, so think we'll just get their roadside assistance.

[Grahameeboy]

In 12 years of membership I have recieved 3 maps, 1 of Hamilton city, one of Tauranga city and one of New Plymouth city. I have recieved 2x $20 petrol vouchers for collecting AA reward points... Flybuys is a better deal. I have called them out to assist me 4 times, once hubby locked the keys in the car and we waited about an hour for them to turn up to get them out, twice for other people locking their keys in cars and once hubby called them for a problem with our old FXR to which he was told they don't deal with bikes and left him there. So no, not really worth paying the $77 worth of membership per annum. I have only kept renewing 'just in case', however knowing how they feel about motorcycles they won't be assisting us with those, and we have our car and van insurance with State, so think we'll just get their roadside assistance.

I guess you could have waited longer without AA? Just a thought...$77 a year well spent I would say..

[Trudes]

I guess you could have waited longer without AA? Just a thought...$77 a year well spent I would say..

Your maths is not so good, it would be 77 x 12 =$924. Fucking expensive call out!

[Grahameeboy]

I've been with them 15+ years.

The issue is not so much them not sharing our views - is that they are actively campaigning against us.

We are also members and part of the motoring fraternity. Their first objective (in their own written rules) is to support the motoring fraternity.

I originally joined because of the break down service. Now I'm more tempted to join the Honda Riders club.

Sorry but do they have to support the motoring fraternity if they do agree with them...it's okay for KBers to actively campaign against ACC but not okay for the AA....mmm...

This is what they say

While it can be a challenge to represent all views on the wide range of issues that affect motorists, the AA's approach is to work with elected AA District Councillors throughout New Zealand, and to regularly survey Members to gauge their opinions on motoring issues.
Because the AA is able to confidently say "the majority of Members believe ..." government and other decision-makers listen.
The AA speaks out strongly both in the media and to Government and industry when motorists aren't getting a fair deal. The AA's views are research-based, reflect the views of members and reflect the responsible position the Association holds in New Zealand as the country's largest consumer organisation.


We are the minority...


I think that the ACC debate is a complicated one in some sense...I still think that $2 a day for accident cover is still good value...

[Grahameeboy]

Your maths is not so good, it would be 77 x 12 =$924. Fucking expensive call out!

I said $77 per year....how much would a towie cost to take the car to a garage..the inconvenience....beats me

[Hawkeye]

Just moved 2 bikes, 3 cars, 2 contents and 4 roadside. And when asked why - Believe me I told them!

[Trudes]

I said $77 per year....how much would a towie cost to take the car to a garage..the inconvenience....beats me

That reasoning would only make sense if I called them out every year of the 12 I have been a member, and why would I need a tow truck to get my keys out of the car? Pretty sure I could pay some Maori kid $20 to get them out faster than it took AA to get them out, it was in Dargaville afterall.

[MadDuck]

Pretty sure I could pay some Maori kid $20 to get them out faster than it took AA to get them out, it was in Dargaville afterall.

Hell I could have got them out for you for $10!

[bogan]

That reasoning would only make sense if I called them out every year of the 12 I have been a member, and why would I need a tow truck to get my keys out of the car? Pretty sure I could pay some Maori kid $20 to get them out faster than it took AA to get them out, it was in Dargaville afterall.

Or do what i do, learn how to break into all your vehicles using almost no extra equipment, and have mates with trailers/tow rope if needed, and get spare keys cut for all of em too. Been working for me so far :woohoo: 3 sets of keys locked in my car/van this year so far!

[Trudes]

Hell I could have got them out for you for $10!

Well how about I pay you $40 a year just in case I lock my keys in the car, at least you won't send me stupid magazines full of shit my granny would like and rant on about what wankers motorcyclists are! ;)

[Trudes]

Or do what i do, learn how to break into all your vehicles using almost no extra equipment, and have mates with trailers/tow rope if needed, and get spare keys cut for all of em too. Been working for me so far :woohoo: 3 sets of keys locked in my car/van this year so far!

The thing is my car is probably the most emergency friendly car in NZ. I have tow rope, plastic windshield, petrol can, bottles of water, jumper leads, tools, first aid kit, torch, Jack, wheel brace, spare tyre, emergency food and clothing, umbrella etc etc, but the only thing I haven't learnt to do is to break into a car (or hot wire one.....) I used to keep a spare key tied under the car, but the car I have now has a special lock thing that costs heaps to have cut special (bastards!) and I only have one key.

[FJRider]

Hell I could have got them out for you for $10!

Me too ... I have a hammer .... :innocent:

[FJRider]

Well how about I pay you $40 a year just in case I lock my keys in the car, at least you won't send me stupid magazines full of shit my granny would like and rant on about what wankers motorcyclists are! ;)

I'll do it for $30 ... and overnight courier the hammer ... win win ... eh !!! ;)

[Grahameeboy]

That reasoning would only make sense if I called them out every year of the 12 I have been a member, and why would I need a tow truck to get my keys out of the car? Pretty sure I could pay some Maori kid $20 to get them out faster than it took AA to get them out, it was in Dargaville afterall.

I meant tow the car somewhere safe and where the keys could be removed....

I guess white kids don't know how to break into cars?

[bogan]

I meant tow the car somewhere safe and where the keys could be removed....

I guess white kids don't know how to break into cars?

course they do, but whiteys overcharge for the service :crazy:

[Grahameeboy]

course they do, but whiteys overcharge for the service :crazy:

Not where I come from they don't....

[p.dath]

Sorry but do they have to support the motoring fraternity if they do agree with them...it's okay for KBers to actively campaign against ACC but not okay for the AA....mmm...

Pretty much, yes. We all have different views, and the AA does not share mine.


While it can be a challenge to represent all views on the wide range of issues that affect motorists, the AA's approach is to work with elected AA District Councillors throughout New Zealand

Which is why I have proposed we attend the district AGM's in February all over the country to let them know what we want as members.


and to regularly survey Members to gauge their opinions on motoring issues.

Never had a survey about ACC. Plus the AA keep repeating the incorrect ACC figures. How can members form an opinion based on wrongly reported information.


We are the minority...

To suggest this issue is solely about the ACC increase for motorcyclists would be wrong.
The issue is the move away from the equal community funding system of compensation to risk based assessment insurance, and motorcyclists are simply the first in the firing line.
Owen Woodhouse never intended for this to be the case. Read his report. He did extensive research, looked at systems all over the world, before coming up with our ACC system. It wasn't something that was put together in 5 minutes.

Try checking out the history of ACC that I put together if you want a brief taste:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/wiki/ACC

All other motor users will be affected should this be successfully changed.

[p.dath]

Not where I come from they don't....

The last side window that someone smashed on my car cost about $300 to have fitted and replaced.

Replacing one window every decade would be cheaper for locked in keys. Plus lots of auto locksmiths have a mobile service you can call anyway.

But the AA offer more than just a "locked my keys in the car" service, which is why I joined quite some time ago, and why I want to put our views to the district councils so they know what this segment of their membership wants.

[bogan]

The last side window that someone smashed on my car cost about $300 to have fitted and replaced.

Replacing one window every decade would be cheaper for locked in keys. Plus lots of auto locksmiths have a mobile service you can call anyway.

But the AA offer more than just a "locked my keys in the car" service, which is why I joined quite some time ago, and why I want to put our views to the district councils so they know what this segment of their membership wants.

once a decade you reckon, you must be onto it, i did the van twice in two months, and then my celica a few months later, after breaking into it however i realised that id popped the boot b4 locking the keys anyway so could have climbed straight in :Oops:

AA has a big rep for helping you out etc when things go wrong on the road, which is all well and good, but you can get other people to do the same job and only pay a one off fee (towie/locksmith...), or nothing if you just get a mate to help. What else is it theyre sposed to do, oh yeh, stand up for all motorists rights, fuck you AA :finger: