Replace or repair?

[PrincessBandit]

After reading dangerous's sticky on puncture repair kits it got me wondering about the replace or repair debate.

This weekend we had to, for the very first time, use the "dog turd" sticky plug to bung a small puncture in my rear tyre. (Tyre was down to 15 psi!!!)
Because we were at home at the time we used our foot operated pump rather than the canister to replace the air. The disgusting brown thing was excellent actually, and relatively easy to use.

What I'm now wondering is - do I take the tyre in to get it repaired, or should I just bite the weenie and buy a new one? Or does it depend entirely on the circumstances? (Probably the latter....)

Just asking.

p.s. royally brassed off about it as I'd only done 2000km on it!

[zahria]

After reading dangerous's sticky on puncture repair kits it got me wondering about the replace or repair debate.

This weekend we had to, for the very first time, use the "dog turd" sticky plug to bung a small puncture in my rear tyre. (Tyre was down to 15 psi!!!)
Because we were at home at the time we used our foot operated pump rather than the canister to replace the air. The disgusting brown thing was excellent actually, and relatively easy to use.

What I'm now wondering is - do I take the tyre in to get it repaired, or should I just bite the weenie and buy a new one? Or does it depend entirely on the circumstances? (Probably the latter....)

Just asking.

I took my bike to the local Honda shop, had a nail hole in the back tyre, and was told that they do not repair motorcycle tyres.
I bought a new one, and to be fair, I would probably replace it as a matter of course.
I quite like piece of mind. On my bike, they dont last long anyway...

[p.dath]

A dog turd style repair (aka, plugged from outside of tyre) will fail a wof.

A proper repair place will fit a plug from the inside of the tyre. Should be safe enough. Your not planning on riding at 200km/h are you?

[ManDownUnder]

Brand new rear tire (and a good one at that) suddenyl went flat on me on the way to work. I limped the distance to the neartest tire repairs place (at Westgate) where the full extent of the damage was revealed.

A gash - right through... about 50mm long? I was not happy.

They said not to worry they'd use their special thingies on it. Oval cross section ribbons, coated in sticky good, folded in half and shoved in while keeping air pressure in the tire. They must have stuck ... 8 or 10 in there... and finally the air stopped pissing out as fast as they were pumping it in.

I had to eventually replace the tire, but only when it didn't have enough tread to pass the warrant.

The patches were good for the life of the tire.

[The Stranger]

Would take it to a motorcycle tyre shop and seek their council.
If it's small, not cut a cord and repaired properly it should give no problem.
I have run one tyre for 8,000km on a good repair, but they said had a cord been cut they would have recommended replacing it.

Mishy here on KB knows a thing or 2 about tyres (I would hazard a guess few here would know more). It wouldn't hurt to seek his opinion if in doubt.

[YellowDog]

Brand new rear tire (and a good one at that) suddenyl went flat on me on the way to work. I limped the distance to the neartest tire repairs place (at Westgate) where the full extent of the damage was revealed.

A gash - right through... about 50mm long? I was not happy.

They said not to worry they'd use their special thingies on it. Oval cross section ribbons, coated in sticky good, folded in half and shoved in while keeping air pressure in the tire. They must have stuck ... 8 or 10 in there... and finally the air stopped pissing out as fast as they were pumping it in.

I had to eventually replace the tire, but only when it didn't have enough tread to pass the warrant.

The patches were good for the life of the tire.
That's good info.

If it's just for commuting, the a gash can be repaired however for regular blasts up the motorway, I wouldn't risk it.

It all depends upon the type of puncture. I have seen and had some excellent inside-out repairs that I would trust at any speed. Those were for nail goles and not up close to the tyre wall.

Take it in and get some advice.

If you've only done 2k on it.........

[gijoe1313]

Take it into Drury tyres ... they'll do you a proper job ... when the same thing happened to me, they put a proper internal mushroom patch onto it and you're away again!

[ManDownUnder]

That's good info.

If it's just for commuting, the a gash can be repaired however for regular blasts up the motorway, I wouldn't risk it.

Mate - it was on the RF900 and it was my daily commute. Not track riding but there were a few moments where it was pushed along a bit

To confirm - it was Pitstop in Westgate I took it to. not a bike shop - they didn't even remove the wheel... just plugged it from the outside

[Toaster]

After reading dangerous's sticky on puncture repair kits it got me wondering about the replace or repair debate.

This weekend we had to, for the very first time, use the "dog turd" sticky plug to bung a small puncture in my rear tyre. (Tyre was down to 15 psi!!!)
Because we were at home at the time we used our foot operated pump rather than the canister to replace the air. The disgusting brown thing was excellent actually, and relatively easy to use.

What I'm now wondering is - do I take the tyre in to get it repaired, or should I just bite the weenie and buy a new one? Or does it depend entirely on the circumstances? (Probably the latter....)

Just asking.

p.s. royally brassed off about it as I'd only done 2000km on it!

Should be okay for a repair by the sounds of it.

Stop avoiding our Tuesday ride!!! :msn-wink:

p.s. I am at home where I belong.... finally! May it all go well from here.

[oldguy]

Ive used them, bloody handy when you get a puncher out in the middle of nowhere, easy to use, got me mobile so I could get home, just took it easy as they really only a temporary patch, but hay tyre was all good the next morning but still took it in to be repaired properly.
If tyre is non reparable, you would hope the bike shop would tell you.

[Pixie]

I get punctures in about 80% of my rear tyres.

I've ridden 4000 km with dog turd repairs,but now that I have a tyre changing machine I put patches on the inside.

Last week I thought the bike was handling funny below 130 km/h and when I stopped it was veeery hot and melted on the edges. -Had a slow leak and had dropped to 17 psi:Oops:

[Cheshire Cat]

you just have to make sure they put it on properly and that theres no dirt what so ever between the rim and tyre or the pressure will keep going down :oi-grr:

[Stone_Duck]

Many factors come into this (but mainly $), After riding since 1983 I have always replaced punctured or split tyres, my personal opinon has been that it is cheap insurance when you have two contact patches the size of your palm, and I have parked up bikes until I could afford to replace them.

[Headbanger]

To confirm - it was Pitstop in Westgate I took it to. not a bike shop - they didn't even remove the wheel... just plugged it from the outside

Excellent to know, Now If their name ever comes up I can recommend people to stay well clear of them.

[ManDownUnder]

Excellent to know, Now If their name ever comes up I can recommend people to stay well clear of them.

Yeah the bastards gave me nothing but good service, fixed it up there and then, cheap as chips with a solutions that lasted the rest of the life of a new tire with no discernable performance degradation.

[Headbanger]

Yeah the bastards gave me nothing but good service, fixed it up there and then, cheap as chips with a solutions that lasted the rest of the life of a new tire with no discernible performance degradation.

They put multiple plugs in a split tire on a heavy motorcycle capable of high speeds and sent you on your way. All in a tire that went down "suddenly" and was then ridden deflated to their location.

Fuck me, a recipe for death. I for one are glad it didn't go badly for you after the gross negligence of the tyre repair outfit.

[ManDownUnder]

They put multiple plugs in a split tire on a heavy motorcycle capable of high speeds and sent you on your way. All in a tire that went down "suddenly" and was then ridden deflated to their location.

Fuck me, a recipe for death. I for one are glad it didn't go badly for you after the gross negligence of the tyre repair outfit.

I know... it's great that I had absolutely no responsibility for the rest of the life of the tire to ensure it remained properly inflated and was safe. Combined with me suffering from a lethal combination of a repair product living up to it's claims and the gall of a repair outfit to use them as intended.

Just wish I could recall the ovall cross sections repair thingies used too. They were bloody good!

[LBD]

After reading dangerous's sticky on puncture repair kits it got me wondering about the replace or repair debate.

This weekend we had to, for the very first time, use the "dog turd" sticky plug to bung a small puncture in my rear tyre. (Tyre was down to 15 psi!!!)
Because we were at home at the time we used our foot operated pump rather than the canister to replace the air. The disgusting brown thing was excellent actually, and relatively easy to use.

What I'm now wondering is - do I take the tyre in to get it repaired, or should I just bite the weenie and buy a new one? Or does it depend entirely on the circumstances? (Probably the latter....)

Just asking.

p.s. royally brassed off about it as I'd only done 2000km on it!

I always replace the front, and I almost always replace the rear...although there are variables. Ie did it go totally flat while riding and damage the side walls, or could there unseen damage and how do you ride the bike...

[Juzz976]

My opinion is mine and only mine, replace, new, upgrade, new, better, newer and not older if not get a new tire.

But I am me and I think me is good and me is what I want to be now and tomorrow and maybe just a bit longer than me with f'd tire.

[T.W.R]

A dog turd style repair (aka, plugged from outside of tyre) will fail a wof.

A proper repair place will fit a plug from the inside of the tyre. Should be safe enough. Your not planning on riding at 200km/h are you?

Cord plugs don't last forever.... they eventually dry out and you're back at the same place again with a leaking tyre. If the tyre has one in it & is spotted during a WOF check they'll fail the tyre on sight. Plus most emergency repair kit application tools aren't sturdy enough to fit the cord properly and the majority of the time the cord can be pulled out again by hand.....a properly fitted cord takes a fair bit of effort to be pulled out from the inner side of the tyre.

Mushroom plugs (internal fitment) aren't much chop on tubless tyres and are only really any good for tubed type tyre. The sealing agent once dry looses adheasion and eventually the tyre will leak again.

Flat patches (internal fitment) aren't safe by any means in a tyre unless a tube is fitted... same reason as with Mushroom plugs.

None should be used on roadbike tyres, the only proper repair is vulcanising and even that needs to be done properly. Will last the life of the tyre if it's a quality job.

[9rider]

I did 1000ks on a dog turd until the next time I was doing a road trip then replaced the tyre. I had no problems with it at all.

[R1madness]

The "dog turds" are not legal (having been banned in the mid 90s) and will fail a WOF for sure. A proper internal repair should last the life of the tire and is fine. However michelin do not recommend repairing their motorcycle tires and most other brands stipulate that their tires should not exceed 120km/h once repaired. But since the NZ speed limit is 100km/h then its not really a problem.... eh?

[shonofear]

well, work mate just noticed a massive bit of nail sticking in my back wheel, wedged slightly to the left not in side though.
my thoughts would be that i could get it repaired easily enough
its only done round 2000kms on it so plenty of tread left.
and im only on a Bandit 250 so going over 120kph would be quiet uncommon, though was planning on gong to the Hampton Down Race Day this Sunday, would a repair handle a day at the tracks?

also in Epsom/Newmarket area now at work and wanted to ride straight into a place to get it fixed, any places close by?
was thinking maybe that motorbike place opposite Caltex on Broadway Ave Newmarket.

cheers

[DEATH_INC.]

As long as it's done properly it'll be fine. Been there, done that etc...

[DEATH_INC.]

Mushroom plugs (internal fitment) aren't much chop on tubless tyres and are only really any good for tubed type tyre. The sealing agent once dry looses adheasion and eventually the tyre will leak again.

None should be used on roadbike tyres, the only proper repair is vulcanising and even that needs to be done properly.
:laugh: Where on earth did you get this (mis)imformation ??????

[shonofear]

heck yea, im one of the very few lucky ones where the nail wedged in soo sideways that it didnt actually pierce through, therefore good to go.
yay

[DEATH_INC.]

Cord plugs wank wank wank etc
Red reps and name calling still don't make you right, hero.

[p.dath]

:laugh: Where on earth did you get this (mis)imformation ??????

Not knowing anything about it - what is the right way then?

[DEATH_INC.]

http://www.bridgestone.co.in/tyre/tyreknowledge/tubeless/plug.asp
Very basic, but as long as they're done correctly they are fine.

[Countyman]

I have used Green Slime from SUPERCHEAP in several tyres with no problems.