What is happening?

[Mrs Busa Pete]

ok what's happening have we gone off the boil we need to be out there and we need to be seen and heard so what's happening. The breakfast morning was a good idea and should of off been carryed on i see no protest action happening untill 2010 which is another bikeo.

I'm not trying to stir here just wondering if there is something going on how about posting it or pm people to let them know.

[scissorhands]

I second that we are drifting a bit and communication is poor. Bikers are ready and willing.

[p.dath]

Do we know the date that the legislative changes are due to be introduced?

Perhaps doing something either the day before on or the day of the vote might be a good wake up call.

Nothing like thinking about how your going to vote when you've just walked past thousands of angry bikers.

[Nasty]

Do we know the date that the legislative changes are due to be introduced?

Perhaps doing something either the day before on or the day of the vote might be a good wake up call.

Nothing like thinking about how your going to vote when you've just walked past thousands of angry bikers.

They are already contacting people to go and present to the select committee ...

I am not sure of the date for the legislation ... but select committee is meeting in Wellington this week.

[p.dath]

They are already contacting people to go and present to the select committee ...

I am not sure of the date for the legislation ... but select committee is meeting in Wellington this week.

I think it will be increasingly hard for people to get leave frm work heading up to Christmas.

Hopefully the legislative change will occur in the New Year ...

[James Deuce]

Do we know the date that the legislative changes are due to be introduced?



They're still proposals.

"Angry Biker" is overdone. Competent citizens taking their responsibilities seriously and trying to warn and educate an apathetic populace is far more noble.

[XP@]

I'm looking forward to my date with the select committee on Thursday!

Having never done anything like this before I'm a tad nervous :eek5:. But I think it will be fine with a little help from Nasty :rockon:

[yungatart]

Of course, if one is not happy at the lack of things being done, one can always step up to the plate and organise something oneself.
It has to be a team effort...no one person can run this show single handedly....the more the merrier.
Don't wait for somebody else to start something that you will support. Start it yourself!

[scissorhands]

Of course, if one is not happy at the lack of things being done, one can always step up to the plate and organise something oneself.
It has to be a team effort...no one person can run this show single handedly....the more the merrier.
Don't wait for somebody else to start something that you will support. Start it yourself!

There is a risk of a bad protest if not done correctly.... I think it should be discussed here first

[James Deuce]

Here? We're idiots.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Of course, if one is not happy at the lack of things being done, one can always step up to the plate and organise something oneself.
It has to be a team effort...no one person can run this show single handedly....the more the merrier.
Don't wait for somebody else to start something that you will support. Start it yourself!

Of course one could do that but one wouldn't want to stand on ones toes.

Thanks for your input janet.

[White trash]

ok what's happening have we gone off the boil we need to be out there and we need to be seen and heard so what's happening. The breakfast morning was a good idea and should of off been carryed on i see no protest action happening untill 2010 which is another bikeo.

I'm not trying to stir here just wondering if there is something going on how about posting it or pm people to let them know.
Jesus! That's a rallying speech.

Just inspired me to get off my arse and go and throw some bricks trough National MPs windows.

Thanks for reminding me to do something.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Jesus! That's a rallying speech.

Just inspired me to get off my arse and go and throw some bricks trough National MPs windows.

Thanks for reminding me to do something.

Don't forget to wrap one of our flyer's around one of those bricks.

[yungatart]

Of course one could do that but one wouldn't want to stand on ones toes.

Thanks for your input janet.

As long as it's Nix Myth's toes that you stand on, go right ahead..I'm sure nobody will care....

[flyingcrocodile46]

I'm looking forward to my date with the select committee on Thursday!

Having never done anything like this before I'm a tad nervous :eek5:. But I think it will be fine with a little help from Nasty :rockon:

What? How did you score that? What do you get to do?

[XP@]

What? How did you score that? What do you get to do?

I submitted my submission (to the select committee not just the ACC one) like a good boy ...
said I would like to speak to my submission and they called me!

I get 10 minutes to talk about the stuff I put in my submission... so far that is all I know, but I am getting a little expert advice first :2thumbsup

[Hawk]

well Im thinking of photshoping some xmas cards withe next logo on it and posting them off to some national party Members

[Trumpess]

I submitted my submission (to the select committee not just the ACC one) like a good boy ...
said I would like to speak to my submission and they called me!

I get 10 minutes to talk about the stuff I put in my submission... so far that is all I know, but I am getting a little expert advice first :2thumbsup



Cool ... all the best! Im sure you will do just fine!

[Mrs Busa Pete]

I'm looking forward to my date with the select committee on Thursday!

Having never done anything like this before I'm a tad nervous :eek5:. But I think it will be fine with a little help from Nasty :rockon:

Good luck with that mate you will be just fine.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I submitted my submission (to the select committee not just the ACC one) like a good boy ...
said I would like to speak to my submission and they called me!

I get 10 minutes to talk about the stuff I put in my submission... so far that is all I know, but I am getting a little expert advice first :2thumbsup

Bloody well done. Wish I had been awake to that.

All the best for your prep and delivery. Hope you make them stop and think.

[MSTRS]

Hats off to everyone who stands up to be counted. Especially to those who take some sort of leadership role.
It's easy to follow, easy to support, easy to turn up - not so easy to organise. But anyone can do it. Even if it's an idea that occurs...put it on here. Start another thread dedicated to that idea so it doesn't get lost in the clutter.

[scissorhands]

Hats off to everyone who stands up to be counted. Especially to those who take some sort of leadership role.
It's easy to follow, easy to support, easy to turn up - not so easy to organise. But anyone can do it. Even if it's an idea that occurs...put it on here. Start another thread dedicated to that idea so it doesn't get lost in the clutter.

How about some strong leadership and forums designed to easily interpret KB's stance on a suggested action?

I made a suggestion RE Saturday ACT Xmas Party in Newmarket.... comments were made that ACT were not the enemy (which may or may not be accurate), so I forgot about it. NONONO turned up on his lonesome thinking something was on....

I think the forums could disseminate information in a much more efficient manner,

As well as initiative, we need some ORGANISATION from the top too. I keen as mustard to do something but nowhere to go.

Like 90% of people I'm born a foot soldier and not a leader. Rattling the troops or creating a guilty conscience by saying 'show some initiative' and 'do it on your own bat' seems like passing the buck to those unsuited......

[PuppetMaster]

Here? We're idiots.


Speak for yourself, Im sure that we could all....
Oh look, that dogs got a fluffy tail, here fluff fluff, here fluff fluff.

[MSTRS]

How about some strong leadership and forums designed to easily interpret KB's stance on a suggested action?

I made a suggestion RE Saturday ACT Xmas Party in Newmarket.... comments were made that ACT were not the enemy (which may or may not be accurate), so I forgot about it. NONONO turned up on his lonesome thinking something was on....

I think the forums could disseminate information in a much more efficient manner,

As well as initiative, we need some ORGANISATION from the top too. I keen as mustard to do something but nowhere to go.

Like 90% of people I'm born a foot soldier and not a leader. Rattling the troops or creating a guilty conscience by saying 'show some initiative' and 'do it on your own bat' seems like passing the buck to those unsuited......

All good points. See...me...I'm more an ideas guy...not so much a leader. In the HB and the absence of anyone else stepping up to lead, I have. Even tho it doesn't rest easy on my shoulders. You know? All I'm saying is there is plenty of room for anyone who wants to propose ideas, and maybe organise (an event) if the idea is proved to be a good one.
There is a sort of steering committee, but they all have jobs and this stuff takes a lot of time. Some of us have been eat/sleep/breathing ACC stuff for 6+ weeks. More who can/want to would be welcome. Spreads the load. Let's someone have a break, perhaps. Maybe just be a follower for one event.

[Ixion]

Last weekend was the Toy Run in Auckland. And Ulysses had some big thing at Piha . Can't have too many things happening at once

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Last weekend was the Toy Run in Auckland. And Ulysses had some big thing at Piha . Can't have too many things happening at once

Yes we where at the toy run sad really there wheren't more out with t shirts on.

So what was the Ulysses one didn't know about that.

Wendy & Pete:rolleyes:

[Ixion]

No idea. Someone just told me there was some do at Piha. A number of Ulyssians who normaly are at the Toy Run weren't .

The "Auckland Branch Christtmas Cracker Rally" apparently

[Nasty]

All good points. See...me...I'm more an ideas guy...not so much a leader. In the HB and the absence of anyone else stepping up to lead, I have. Even tho it doesn't rest easy on my shoulders. You know? All I'm saying is there is plenty of room for anyone who wants to propose ideas, and maybe organise (an event) if the idea is proved to be a good one.
There is a sort of steering committee, but they all have jobs and this stuff takes a lot of time. Some of us have been eat/sleep/breathing ACC stuff for 6+ weeks. More who can/want to would be welcome. Spreads the load. Let's someone have a break, perhaps. Maybe just be a follower for one event.

In Wellington we have set up a sub forum called Wellington Action Group - this is where discussions and agreement of actions take place. It also enables ideas to be floated out side the public eye of the guests on KB. Its an invite only group and people are encouraged to recommend others to join in and get them into that group.

When an idea for down here is floated on the wider forum we take it into the sub-group for further discussion and planning. We also have members in there that cover off WIMA, BRONZ and Ulyssess as well.

[NONONO]

All good points. See...me...I'm more an ideas guy...not so much a leader. In the HB and the absence of anyone else stepping up to lead, I have. Even tho it doesn't rest easy on my shoulders. You know? All I'm saying is there is plenty of room for anyone who wants to propose ideas, and maybe organise (an event) if the idea is proved to be a good one.
There is a sort of steering committee, but they all have jobs and this stuff takes a lot of time. Some of us have been eat/sleep/breathing ACC stuff for 6+ weeks. More who can/want to would be welcome. Spreads the load. Let's someone have a break, perhaps. Maybe just be a follower for one event.

The do it yourself leadership thing is a bit difficult, ideas pulling in different directions, different focus. Someone mentioned hearding cats in another post.
Really, to get anything big off the ground here you gotta have some standing.
Ixion and Mom have done a fine job as have a few others, but us lesser mortals have tried and died a few times and that sort of takes the edge off a bit.
I would love to be more "involved' in the planning, but you know, unless you've been around this site a good while, you tend to get the wary look a bit if you turn up at planning meetings. But then, I'm not the most sociable bastard myself.
As for my opinion re the pre Xmas protest, keep it local, keep it big, and make it loud. For me the only 2 immediate options are Queen Street on a Sat morning (very slowly) maybe with Santa bikers walking along side doing the leaflet hand outs and explanations...or the bridge. Both guaranteed news items which the Nats and Judge will see.
People keep saying we should not upset the public, but WE are the public.
Anyway, I'm in whatever.

[Maha]

The do it yourself leadership thing is a bit difficult, ideas pulling in different directions, different focus. Someone mentioned hearding cats in another post.
Really, to get anything big off the ground here you gotta have some standing.
Ixion and Mom have done a fine job as have a few others, but us lesser mortals have tried and died a few times and that sort of takes the edge off a bit.
I would love to be more "involved' in the planning, but you know, unless you've been around this site a good while, you tend to get the wary look a bit if you turn up at planning meetings. But then, I'm not the most sociable bastard myself.


You do need to be focused and at the same time, be able to take direction.
Pre The Rolling Protest Ride, I asked a selected few to help. There were ideas coming in and I would run things past the help crew via pm, and at the same time, they would inturn, ask or suggest this and that. There was one particular matter that needed addressing (which I wont get into) and it was sorted quickly enough, end of story.
You cant do something on that scale by yourself, you need a team.
The team on the RPR was brilliant/supportive/motivated/competant, couldn't have asked for better. Thats what made it a success.

[GSL]

History shows us that “polite” motorcycle protest has never achieved anything! History also shows us that the only way to achieve results is to piss off people…..nothing else has ever worked for a minority protest group.
My question is “when are motorcyclists going to get serious?”.

If you want the levies back at the old level then the Government must be shaken to the core in order to get a result. And sorry but it will mean upsetting the general public. For those concerned about upsetting the public, well go and wear an ACC tee shirt on a Santa parade, you will get a warm fuzzy but achieve absolutely nothing. Did the junior doctors, nurses, teachers, bus drivers etc worry about what the public thought about being inconvenienced. NO. They went for results, not warm fuzzys.

Are there any serious groups of motorcyclists out there?

100 bikes could disrupt Wellington transport with relative ease, 500 could totally shut down the city for ½ a day. Piss people off, sure will. Get results, well lets say there will be a lot more people demanding the Government does something.

I would love to hear from genuine protesters that are result focused.

[White trash]

History shows us that “polite” motorcycle protest has never achieved anything! History also shows us that the only way to achieve results is to piss off people…..nothing else has ever worked for a minority protest group.
My question is “when are motorcyclists going to get serious?”.

If you want the levies back at the old level then the Government must be shaken to the core in order to get a result. And sorry but it will mean upsetting the general public. For those concerned about upsetting the public, well go and wear an ACC tee shirt on a Santa parade, you will get a warm fuzzy but achieve absolutely nothing. Did the junior doctors, nurses, teachers, bus drivers etc worry about what the public thought about being inconvenienced. NO. They went for results, not warm fuzzys.

Are there any serious groups of motorcyclists out there?

100 bikes could disrupt Wellington transport with relative ease, 500 could totally shut down the city for ½ a day. Piss people off, sure will. Get results, well lets say there will be a lot more people demanding the Government does something.

I would love to hear from genuine protesters that are result focused.
Yes, the bus drivers, junior doctors and nurses have all caused inconvenience to make their point. However, the public was on their side as they were clearly getting shafted. As far as the non riding public's concerned with our plight, we crash more, cost more and contribute less. They need to be educated, not pissed off.

That is only my oppinion however.

[Naki Rat]

The way I see it is that our protest actions thus far have got the attention of the public to the extent that some are now tiring of 'yet another biker protest'. That being the case and considering that people are now increasingly distracted by the end of year rush and plans for the holiday break, our efforts may most constructively used by individually spreading the truth of the matter as part of our Christmas socialising.

A lot of people out there are still ignorant to the latitude of what is happening at ACC. Many don't realise that they will be coughing up $100 more on their car rego; much more if they are the owner of a "Goods Service Vehicle" (diesel van?). Similarly the rego levy increases will filter down to rises in the CPI. Nix Myth and co are snooping around cycle and contact sports ACC loadings. The privatisation of ACC will only work if NZers are given the right to sue. The downstream effects of ACC privatisation will see large increases in the cost of private medical insurance, general insurance (public liability), sports participation (ACC levies), tradesmen rates, goods and services generally (liability costs passed on to end consumer), etc., etc.

This is the time of the year when we get to talk to people outside our normal sphere of associates such as at partners' Xmas functions, end of year work do's and holiday meetings. So how about we get out there and spread the truth about what is going on. Sure there are those that will not be moved in their aversion to bikes but by picking your angle to suit your audience (e.g. sports, food costs, fuel efficiency) that needn't be a handicap. What we are aiming to do is to spread our 'networking' far and wide.

And in the near future Nix Myth will dump the reality of what ACC levies we will be expected to pay and this will reinforce your and my preachings to the masses and we will move onto yet another phase of this campaign. In the meantime take a breath, recharge the energy levels and get those lines of communication sorted cos 2010 is going to be a big year :bash:

[taff1954]

100 bikes could disrupt Wellington transport with relative ease, 500 could totally shut down the city for ½ a day. Piss people off, sure will. Get results, well lets say there will be a lot more people demanding the Government does something

And that demand will quite likely be " Get those bastards off our roads" Education is the key.

[Chrislost]

Do we know the date that the legislative changes are due to be introduced?

Perhaps doing something either the day before on or the day of the vote might be a good wake up call.

Nothing like thinking about how your going to vote when you've just walked past thousands of angry bikers.

Fuck that!
You should be doing somthing every day untill they throw it out.
:bash: