Who really does 70 on learners?

[Steven]

I plan to when I finaly get my bike, but who on their Ls goes that speed? Or even puts their plates up? Anyone ever got a ticket for not doing so?

[Hopeful Bastard]

My L fell off with the help of a spanner..

Yes.. people have been done without L on them.. $400 fine

[Steven]

Yeah I know you get in trouble but I'm sure the cops all wouldn't care much? I plan to use L plates and go 70 but just wondering how common it is

[KiwiPhoenix]

I am also on my learners and I have my "L" plate displayed, I've only bent it over one time.

One time coming home from a ride in the dark, with heavy rain and strong winds (only had my licence about 3 weeks) I saw a police car go past. I was doing about 85km/h and they didn't bother with me. I think because they realised that it was shit weather but also that I wasn't acting like a pratt they left me alone.

To be fair, I haven't had any problems with me showing an "L" plate, car drivers have been generally ok. I generally stick to the speed limit in town but out on a ride on the open road I do go faster, but I sit under the speed limit. I would rather not be a hazard to other road users.

[huff3r]

The entire time i was on my learners i spent at 70kph max, and with L plate up at all times. Certainly never got hassled by cars, apart from once i struggled to change into the right lane on the motorway in order to take my exit (it was a short 200m stint in a 100 zone). Now im on my restricted, no problem with either :D

[gatch]

I never have used one, never.

Was pinged once.

[DJSin]

Displayed my L plate all the time and never went faster than 70 on my learners. Wasn't any inconvenience.

[JimO]

I never have used one, never.

Was pinged once.

how much did it cost?? was it worth it?? makes me laugh the people who flout the laws of the road code then complain when other people do it eg changing lanes with out looking or indicating

[kave]

Used an L plate for three weeks, never stuck to 70 (as far as I am concerned I would rather travel at a safe speed). I never got pinged, but I knew I was taking a financial risk.

[gatch]

how much did it cost?? was it worth it?? makes me laugh the people who flout the laws of the road code then complain when other people do it eg changing lanes with out looking or indicating

$400. What of it, put the l plate on and stick to 70, or not use it and do 100, I only got pulled up cause I was doing 120 passing a car, the cop only stung me for 20 over the limit, thought I got off lightly..

[p.dath]

The entire time i was on my learners i spent at 70kph max, and with L plate up at all times. Certainly never got hassled by cars, apart from once i struggled to change into the right lane on the motorway in order to take my exit (it was a short 200m stint in a 100 zone). Now im on my restricted, no problem with either :D

+1. Never had any issues that I can remember.

If you want to have a problem with using a L-Plate or adhering to the licence restrictions (designed to help minimise potential injuries to yourself) then I'm sure you'll find a reason to support your reasoning. Bit like statistics ...

[The Pastor]

I always travel at 70.

[Celtic Red]

I'm a newbie biker - I keep my L plate on and don't do more than 70. For me it's a kinda of insurance - if I have a mishap involving someone else and I'm entirely within the conditions of my license etc, then I shouldn't have any legal problems my way.
Having said that, I guess if you don't go looking for trouble you don't get into any.
2 months til my restricted - can't wait! :D

[nothingflash]

I guess if you don't go looking for trouble you don't get into any.

Yep - that's about the size of it...if you don't draw attention to yourself you'll be fine.

[davebullet]

I did a learner out of $100 once.

[Thaeos]

I always have mine displayed, but I don't necessarily stick to 70 all the time. Depends on road condition/traffic. Not justifying breaking the rule, just saying.

[crazyhorse]

I told my kids not to do 70 on the open road - I feel it is more dangerous to have vehicles, esp trucks pass you than to stay with the traffic.

But the law is law....... :innocent:

[red mermaid]

Has anyone ever thought that the law is framed that way (max speed 70km/h) to discourage learners from going on the open road/motorways.

Perhaps the idea is that until you get your restricted you should be staying around town and building up your skill level, and not being over confident.

[Bren]

I am also on my learners and I have my "L" plate displayed, I've only bent it over one time.


Hmm...that sounds SOOO rude


I told my kids not to do 70 on the open road - I feel it is more dangerous to have vehicles, esp trucks pass you than to stay with the traffic.

But the law is law....... :innocent:
I would be inclined top agree you with that......

I did 200kmh on my learners once....no make that twice...once in ashvegas on an NSR250, and just 2 weeks ago on my 750:lol:

Hope no cops read this...and Scummy, ya dont know me aye!

[p.dath]

Has anyone ever thought that the law is framed that way (max speed 70km/h) to discourage learners from going on the open road/motorways.

Perhaps the idea is that until you get your restricted you should be staying around town and building up your skill level, and not being over confident.

I think a lot of this is to do with the development of a 15 year old's brain, especially with regard to their tunnel vision in times of crisis.

Reading the 2020 road strategy submission, I would say it is highly likely that the learner age for will be raised to 17.
If that happens then there would be more grounds for removing the 70km/h restriction.

[The Everlasting]

Has anyone ever thought that the law is framed that way (max speed 70km/h) to discourage learners from going on the open road/motorways.

Perhaps the idea is that until you get your restricted you should be staying around town and building up your skill level, and not being over confident.



Yeah it certainly seems that way,I have travelled on the motorway several times,and it's actually really dangerous,you are in fact getting in the way of cages,so I avoid the motorways and only go on them if I have too.

But i don't see the point of the rule,it might apply to a learner that is around 15 years old,but I'm a lot older than that.

But still I don't exceed the 70km rule,unless it's dangerous to travel at that speed...

[nudemetalz]

I did 70km/h down the motorway all the way from Wellington to the Sandbar for the Toy Run, while riding my Guzzi !!
Oh BTW my mate had his L-Plated 250 that I was riding alongside with :)
We kept to the law, no reason why it should be broken while learning.

[Scotty595]

I told my kids not to do 70 on the open road - I feel it is more dangerous to have vehicles, esp trucks pass you than to stay with the traffic.

Completely agree with this. I have never had an L on my bike - I don't own an L. Have been stopped a could of times - once for splitting, once for something else and neither of the cops have said anything about it.

In saying that if I do get a $400 fine which I am well aware of the possibility of, I am not going to bitch and complain about it because thats the risk I take.

I ride from East Auckland to Northshore everyday for work so not a very good idea to stick at 70 the whole way I think

[gazmascelle]

I only used my L plate for the first 2 weeks, and when I took my restricted test. Generally avoided riding out of town on my learners, but stuck to 100km when I did as I wasn't too keen on riding at 70km with cars/trucks following two feet from my arse & overtaking etc.

Was stopped once on my restricted with a passenger, cop just told my mate to get off & told me to go home.

[jared]

i've been on my L plate for about 2 months now. I have it on when I'm just commuting in the city but take it off when I'm going any further. Never limited myself to 70ks. Normally about 110 like everybody else on the motorways etc. no worries! :)

[Juzz976]

I plan to when I finaly get my bike, but who on their Ls goes that speed? Or even puts their plates up? Anyone ever got a ticket for not doing so?

I do 70 all the time usually in 50 zones lol
But seriously I take the approach that cops are not interested in you if
a. Your not speeding.
b. Your not being a dick.
c. You are look like you spent some $$$ on Riding gear - Helmet, gloves, boots, jacket and pants.
d. Your not being too loud.
e. Your bike is tidy.

Yes I have had the No L plate ticket but in all fairness I only got pulled over because I was goin a bit fast. cop gave me L plate fine in leu of the extra 40k/hr he didnt put in the speeding ticket so I could keep my licence after 28 day suspension.

[red mermaid]

By the way, the fine for not having your 'L' plate up is now $100, with no demerits.

[Indiana_Jones]

I always travel at 70.

You're missing a '0' there mate.

-Indy

[The Pastor]

You're missing a '0' there mate.

-Indy
oh are you talking kph? i was in miles.

[The Everlasting]

By the way, the fine for not having your 'L' plate up is now $100, with no demerits.



Did they recently change it? I checked last week and it was still $400 and 25 demerits.

[red mermaid]

Changed on 1 December.

[The Everlasting]

Oh okay,regardless I'll still keep my L-Plate on,but im sure some others won't bother now with the reduction of the fine.

[Juzz976]

I thought all breeches of specific licence conditions were $400 for class 1 & 6.

[SPORK]

I thought all breeches of specific licence conditions were $400 for class 1 & 6.
That's what landtransport.govt.nz is showing. Anything to back up your claim, Red Mermaid?

[marine0089]

I rode up to Palmy in the weekend and if I had stayed at 70km/h I surely would have been hit. Even at 100km/h I had cars right up my arse. 110km/h seemed to be the perfect speed to stay inline with the cars and not have them doing anything silly to try and pass you.

I don't display an L plate nor stay at the 70km/hr limit but only because I feel comfortable doing so. Every rider is different and needs to assess their own situation and ride at whatever speed they feel comfortable. This is in terms of the road, the speed itself, and the other hazzards around you (ie, other cars).

[CRF119]

If you can explain to the police officer that doing 70km/h in a 100km/h zone is unsafe and that having a L plate makes drivers around you try and get passed just because your a learner then you will get away with both just dont be cheeky about it.

Im on my learners and ive neva followed any of the limits. Im now on a CBR900RR and still on my learners. Got to fix my mates CBR250 so i can sit my restricted.

[Ixion]

The aquatic gentlewoman is correct.

Land Transport (Enforcement Powers) Amendment Act 2009 came into force 1st December 2009.

Licence condition breaches go to $100 + 35 demerits (instead of $400 and 25 demerits - less $$$ more demerits). EXCEPT for failure to display an L plate , remains same demerits.

Noisy exhaust now cops 25 demerits . As does obscured or deceptive number plates.

[Tank]

Do you know you can get exemptions to ride at 100km even on "L" plates.

I received this because I wrote in and told them that I need to go on motorways regularly.

Cost from memory $80 - then they actually said to me "you should probally go diectly to full to make life easier" and gave me dispensation for that as well - at their suggestion (and no additional cost) (had 3 months riding esp. at the time).

Write in and talk to the person handling your file. They are actually very helpful.

I did a post a long time back about it - search is your friend.

[p.dath]

I rode up to Palmy in the weekend and if I had stayed at 70km/h I surely would have been hit. Even at 100km/h I had cars right up my arse. 110km/h seemed to be the perfect speed to stay inline with the cars and not have them doing anything silly to try and pass you.


When I take our learner riders on an L-Plate I also ride at 70km/h, and all we do is pull over to the side and wave any cars behind us past.

It's very easy to comply with the licence restrictions safely.

[p.dath]

Do you know you can get exemptions to ride at 100km even on "L" plates.
...
I did a post a long time back about it - search is your friend.

I've found Tank's great post, and have started turning it into a Wiki article:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/wiki/L-Plate_Dispensation

[Spratt]

I spent the first few weeks doing 70 on the Wellington motorway (commuting to work) and found it was really too dangerous with cars speeding up behind me and passing, some of them very close (some I think to try and scare the "L plate rider" - dicks!), so I decided it was safer to do 100 to keep in the flow of the traffic, even with the L plate still on.

I was led to believe the police are usually OK with this, so long as your not doing anything silly and could reasonably argue that it is safer.

[cowboyz]

for all those complaining about the 70km/h restriction then how about you aquire the appropriate licence for what you want to use your bike for? I agree with the 70km/hr limit. I think that the 6 month time limit should be taken off the licence and you can sit your restricted anytime you feel capable though. I also think the restricted test should be alot tougher.

[Juzz976]

for all those complaining about the 70km/h restriction then how about you aquire the appropriate licence for what you want to use your bike for? I agree with the 70km/hr limit. I think that the 6 month time limit should be taken off the licence and you can sit your restricted anytime you feel capable though. I also think the restricted test should be alot tougher.

Yup its a bit too easy, even I passed lol.

[BikerDazz]

I've been on learners for 2 months and have L-plate on display.
However, when I use open roads I ride at 100-110.
I figure that I run more risk of riding without an L-plate than riding over 70km.

I assume that the 70km restriction is to discourage Learners from using the open road but I am an experienced road user - have had car licence for 26 years and rode on a bike learners for 12 months in my youth, so reckon I am not in the same category as say a 15-16 year old new to the road.

Plus I don't have the same impulsive risk-taking behaviours that get our youngys into trouble!

My advice to young blokes and ladies would be to avoid the open road, especially motorways, when your still getting used to riding, riding in traffic, getting used to road rules and getting used to dealing with other motorists and their often unpredictable behaviour.:scooter:

[red mermaid]

In the good old days in the distant past, you got stopped a couple of times by the local cop and on the 2nd time he told you to book in for a bike licence otherwise you would get a ticket and then when you turned up for your test he stood outside the office while he talked to a farmer with a question.

You rode down the road, stopped at the stop sign, crossed the main highway, down to the stop bank, did a U turn and then back to the office and got your licence.

[gilly]

for all those complaining about the 70km/h restriction then how about you aquire the appropriate licence for what you want to use your bike for?

Agree totally.
Do your time on a Learners and LEARN.
Then get your full.

[Ms Piggy]

I plan to when I finaly get my bike, but who on their Ls goes that speed? Or even puts their plates up? Anyone ever got a ticket for not doing so?

I got a very kind cop who clocked me doing 113kms with no L plate and only did me for an $80 speeding ticket - it could've been around $550 or something (it was also after 10pm). However, I have heard that not all law enforcement officers are so kind.

[atothek]

i can see both arguments for and against. i had my car licence for 10+ years before i decided to get my car licence. i agree with a learning period but a lot of the skills needed to keep you safe on a bike are also (but to a lesser extent) needed on a bike. there should be some allowance for those who have a driving history already. I often exceed the 70km/h limit as there isn't really a viable alternative to getting from wellington to the hutt. its not safe merging at 70kmh and its not as safe going 70km/h when the weather isnt the best. where i can i just avoid the 100km/h areas but then if they test it in the restricted test then obviously learners need to learn that skill prior. motorways are by and large much cleaner, smoother and there are less things to watch out for (cars leaving parks, intersections, driveways) so they make a smart choice for a learner but 70km/h with larger vehicles driving past is scary - being overtaken by big livestock truck after he rides your arse isn't much fun for a new learner. luckily i'm over 25 and have completed a DDC so i'll fly through the restricted period.

[huff3r]

i can see both arguments for and against. i had my car licence for 10+ years before i decided to get my car licence. i agree with a learning period but a lot of the skills needed to keep you safe on a bike are also (but to a lesser extent) needed on a bike. there should be some allowance for those who have a driving history already. I often exceed the 70km/h limit as there isn't really a viable alternative to getting from wellington to the hutt. its not safe merging at 70kmh and its not as safe going 70km/h when the weather isnt the best. where i can i just avoid the 100km/h areas but then if they test it in the restricted test then obviously learners need to learn that skill prior. motorways are by and large much cleaner, smoother and there are less things to watch out for (cars leaving parks, intersections, driveways) so they make a smart choice for a learner but 70km/h with larger vehicles driving past is scary - being overtaken by big livestock truck after he rides your arse isn't much fun for a new learner. luckily i'm over 25 and have completed a DDC so i'll fly through the restricted period.


Umm, they certainly DO NOT test driving in a 100kph zone in the restricted test! They test driving in a higher speed zone with a limit of no more than 70kph, they cant test you in a 100kph zone as they require you to be within 10kph of the speed limit - and you are still on your learners during the test and therefore must obey the conditions of your licence..

[magicmonkey]

Umm, they certainly DO NOT test driving in a 100kph zone in the restricted test! They test driving in a higher speed zone with a limit of no more than 70kph, they cant test you in a 100kph zone as they require you to be within 10kph of the speed limit - and you are still on your learners during the test and therefore must obey the conditions of your licence..

Nah, there's an exemption for the restricted test, you can go 100 but apparently some instructors don't know that, best to check with them before you set off if you haven't got the restricted yet...

[Disrespective]

I never went much above 70kph on my learners and never took my L plate off. Didn't see the point as i wasn't commuting through 100kph zones ever. Better safe than sorry.

My restricted test went without a hitch as i was more than confident at 70 and since then, i'm happy at 100kph without issue at all... well so far at least haha.

Seriously, there is no need to do over 70 on a learners unless you have to for commuting reasons. But even then i would prefer to just drive a car until you have a restricted. I can't afford a $400 fine now, let alone a few months ago.

It's only 6 or 12 months or what ever it is if you're under 25. It's not the end of the world as far as i can tell.

[ridenshine]

It was fantastic for us old buggers, no size limit (650 Bonnie first bike) and full licence in 4 weeks. My sons had to do this new licence set up and I think the 250 law needs to be replaced with one about power.

[tcpdump]

The aquatic gentlewoman is correct.

Land Transport (Enforcement Powers) Amendment Act 2009 came into force 1st December 2009.

Licence condition breaches go to $100 + 35 demerits (instead of $400 and 25 demerits - less $$$ more demerits). EXCEPT for failure to display an L plate , remains same demerits.

Noisy exhaust now cops 25 demerits . As does obscured or deceptive number plates.

And the official link for this:
http://www.transport.govt.nz/legislation/acts/enforcementpowersact/

[GeForce]

I rode with a L plate for while and havn't had any problems, The Caps don't core to much as long as your not pulling wheelies or skids. They don't mind, got done for 160 on the L plate, I complained with "Can i see your calabration certificate" and they just left it @ that. :)

[Mudfart]

Ive got my L plate bolted on, I think it helps incase a bigger bike decides to come up behind to cruise next to me. It tells people "danger, danger, noob on this bike."

[Genie]

I shall be proud to have the 'L' plate on. It says I'm doing it (learning to ride).

...won't be going on massive rides that require to travel over 70k. Will spend first few months just getting used to being on a bike again.

[The Everlasting]

I shall be proud to have the 'L' plate on. It says I'm doing it (learning to ride).

...won't be going on massive rides that require to travel over 70k. Will spend first few months just getting used to being on a bike again.


If your not wanting too exceed 70km/h,i suggest you avoid the motorways,too dangerous.

[cowboyz]

If your not wanting too exceed 70km/h,i suggest you avoid the motorways,too dangerous.

that is the idea of the learner licence. to learn. And despite apparently popular opinion you dont learn on a main road with 400 cars around you. Especially on christmas eve. It is a licence to learn in a quiet place on your own or with an instructor. Reinforces my idea that there shouldnt be a time limit on the learner licence. You should be able to get your restricted when you are capable of getting it. some riders will spend 6 months riding round and be more than capable after 1. Others will spend 6 months sitting on their arse and then have the same eligiblity for the restricted licence.

[Genie]

obvisiouly you have not ventured to Nelson. LOL, no motorways as such. Not like the North Island. Things tend to become a little relaxed this side of the water.

[Number One]

Used an L plate for three weeks, never stuck to 70 (as far as I am concerned I would rather travel at a safe speed). I never got pinged, but I knew I was taking a financial risk.
What he said - 70 on the motorway is asking for trouble I found

[The Everlasting]

that is the idea of the learner licence. to learn. And despite apparently popular opinion you dont learn on a main road with 400 cars around you. Especially on christmas eve. It is a licence to learn in a quiet place on your own or with an instructor. Reinforces my idea that there shouldnt be a time limit on the learner licence. You should be able to get your restricted when you are capable of getting it. some riders will spend 6 months riding round and be more than capable after 1. Others will spend 6 months sitting on their arse and then have the same eligiblity for the restricted licence.


Yeah good idea,I reckon I am ready for my restricted now,but must wait another 3 months....

[The Everlasting]

obvisiouly you have not ventured to Nelson. LOL, no motorways as such. Not like the North Island. Things tend to become a little relaxed this side of the water.



Oh,nah never been down that way.

[Genie]

Oh,nah never been down that way.

Maybe you should try it one day...you'd like it!

[saxet]

Interestin that those who write the road rules say...learner= max 70k, but you mut also travel at a speed that dosen't hold up traffic??(not that the second part is enforced). Who comes up with this stuff??

[The Everlasting]

Maybe you should try it one day...you'd like it!


Yeah,give it another 6 months or so,it's a long ride from Auckland!

[p.dath]

Interestin that those who write the road rules say...learner= max 70k, but you mut also travel at a speed that dosen't hold up traffic??(not that the second part is enforced). Who comes up with this stuff??

Pretty obvious really. While learning you need to stick to roads where you can ride at a safe pace for your skill level.

[imne1]

I've been riding on learners for just over a year. I installed my L-plate on a swivel so I could hide it when I carry passengers or ride at night. After just a few weeks I decided I was safer without it, dickheads keep trying to run me off the road or rear end me, they seem to see an L-plate as a target.
I never stick to 70 and i've never been pinged for that nor not displaying plate.

[The Everlasting]

I've been riding on learners for just over a year. I installed my L-plate on a swivel so I could hide it when I carry passengers or ride at night. After just a few weeks I decided I was safer without it, dickheads keep trying to run me off the road or rear end me, they seem to see an L-plate as a target.
I never stick to 70 and i've never been pinged for that nor not displaying plate.


Yeah the swivel plate would be a good idea,but I haven't really had any trouble from cagers.

[cowboyz]

I've been riding on learners for just over a year. I installed my L-plate on a swivel so I could hide it when I carry passengers or ride at night. After just a few weeks I decided I was safer without it, dickheads keep trying to run me off the road or rear end me, they seem to see an L-plate as a target.
I never stick to 70 and i've never been pinged for that nor not displaying plate.

see, I read this one of two ways......


1. Im too fucking lazy to get a restricted licence but would prefer to look like a real boy by flaunting the rules and not displaying an L plate and breaching the conditions of my licence.

or...

2. I cant actually ride for shit and not confident that I can pass an incredibly easy restricted test but feel my manhood would be threatened if I admit to it and get some decent ride mentoring to acquire the skills to gain the next stage of my licence but would rather pretend and feel like a rebel riding outside of the conditions of my licence.

[6ft5]

[QUOTE=Celtic Red;1129554871
Having said that, I guess if you don't go looking for trouble you don't get into any.:D[/QUOTE]

The speed limit restriction is not there to annoy you, it is there to get you to understand your motorcycle and how to participate in traffic. I persevered with the "L" plate only for a little while and took it off to be able to fully get into it, not to speed particularly but not to get cars up my arse etc. Never got pinged. During my restricted time, I owned and rode a VT750, never got stopped and learned heaps from that. Bottom line is your quote - don't stand out, police will not stop you !! Yes yes yes its against the law and you take a risk but for me it felt better

[saxet]

Originally Posted by saxet
Interestin that those who write the road rules say...learner= max 70k, but you mut also travel at a speed that dosen't hold up traffic??(not that the second part is enforced). Who comes up with this stuff??


Pretty obvious really. While learning you need to stick to roads where you can ride at a safe pace for your skill level.

Well that may be true for learners, but it is one of the reasons learners don't get much experience is they have to trailer their bike to an area were they can ride it legally. Also, how does this work for trucks and vehicles towing trailers. I notice there has been a campaign on the radio reminding those towing trailers that the speed limit is 80k. I can't remember what the speed limit is for trucks but it is less than 100k. Lets also include cyclists, now they usually can keep left but how can a truck or vehicle towing a trailer?.
Should they only operate in areas that are under the open road speed limit?
This is what I'm getting at. Most laws revolve around theories that seem sound but often don't work well in reality.

[red mermaid]

Originally Posted by saxet
Interestin that those who write the road rules say...learner= max 70k, but you mut also travel at a speed that dosen't hold up traffic??(not that the second part is enforced). Who comes up with this stuff??



Well that may be true for learners, but it is one of the reasons learners don't get much experience is they have to trailer their bike to an area were they can ride it legally. Also, how does this work for trucks and vehicles towing trailers. I notice there has been a campaign on the radio reminding those towing trailers that the speed limit is 80k. I can't remember what the speed limit is for trucks but it is less than 100k. Lets also include cyclists, now they usually can keep left but how can a truck or vehicle towing a trailer?.
Should they only operate in areas that are under the open road speed limit?
This is what I'm getting at. Most laws revolve around theories that seem sound but often don't work well in reality.

The speed for vehicles towing a trailer, and for trucks, is 90 Km/h.

[magicmonkey]

I often go over 70, but under the normal speed limit, with my L plate on as I'd rather the lesser speeding fine that the $400 no plate fine. I've also passed plenty of cops doing that and not had a problem which I put down to riding as sensibly as I'm capable of. I've also found that most drivers are pretty decent about the L plate (with the exception of one arsehole who undertook me on a hairpin in a 50 area and then cut me up when he puled back in front of me, was only a single lane road as well!)

Having said that I do have the option of pulling out my UK license which would legaly allow me to do the normal limit ...

[p.dath]

Having said that I do have the option of pulling out my UK license which would legaly allow me to do the normal limit ...

Have you got an International Drivers Permit to make it recognised in NZ?
And if so, why are you bothering to do the graduated licence? Why not just transfer the classes straight across?

[magicmonkey]

Have you got an International Drivers Permit to make it recognised in NZ?
And if so, why are you bothering to do the graduated licence? Why not just transfer the classes straight across?

It's a UK provisional rather than a full which transfers to a learners license over here. I did transfer it but I also did the BHS as I hadn't ridden a bike before and thought that would be the safest way to go...

With overseas licenses the conditions of the country which supplies the license apply rather than the NZ learners conditions, that means that I can go at the speed limit. I'm not sure about the legality of having 2 licenses and choosing which one to show though, I have a sneaky feeling that might be a bit of a naughty in itself!

[macdo]

Sensible law would be no motorway while on L, then the opportunities to be in the way of other traffic at 70 would be reduced.

Hmm. Still would leave places like the single lane sections of SH1 north of Hamilton (cables on the right and gravel on the left) are an unpleasant place to be if you're tootling along at 70. Hmmm

[The Everlasting]

If that was a rule,you wouldn't be able to go very far............

[magicmonkey]

If that was a rule,you wouldn't be able to go very far............

well, considering that there's about 1 mile of actual motorway in the whole country I reckon you could got pretty far!

The no motorway on a learners thing is there in the UK because we have very long, mostly straight and incredibly well kept motorways on which it can be very easy to go a lot faster than your skill level will cover. Over here that simply doesn't exist, there are manhole covers all over the main highways, they're rarely straight and dual carriageway at the same time, let alone three lanes or more. Sure you can rack up quite a speed but you need to put effort into it, not just slam your foot down and sail past everyone for an hour ...

[tcpdump]

I'm 99% percent sure that in New Zealand it is illegal to provide an overseas license if you hold a NZ license.
When I converted my overseas into NZ the lady at AA said I am no longer allowed to use my overseas license but haven't checked the law.

For example, if your license gets suspended, you would be able to drive with the overseas license.

[Genie]

I have jsut got my learners, am purchasing my bike in a week and I do intend to travel within the speed limit. Think I might be too scared to go over 70 anyway. Nelson only has one pretend motorway so i'm pretty safe there. will stick to quiet suburban roads to start and will venture out country as confidence grows.

I would suspect that as I grow in confidence so to will my speed so that is something I will need to be very aware off.

[magicmonkey]

I'm 99% percent sure that in New Zealand it is illegal to provide an overseas license if you hold a NZ license.
When I converted my overseas into NZ the lady at AA said I am no longer allowed to use my overseas license but haven't checked the law.

For example, if your license gets suspended, you would be able to drive with the overseas license.

I'm very sceptical about what the people at the AA say as the guy I talked to about the bike license thought I could only go at 50Ks and couldn't ride anything bigger than a 125cc bike!

Personally, I doubt I'll ever do anything worthy of producing a license while on my learners (2 months to go!)

[magicmonkey]

I have jsut got my learners, am purchasing my bike in a week and I do intend to travel within the speed limit. Think I might be too scared to go over 70 anyway. Nelson only has one pretend motorway so i'm pretty safe there. will stick to quiet suburban roads to start and will venture out country as confidence grows.

I would suspect that as I grow in confidence so to will my speed so that is something I will need to be very aware off.

When I first started out I spent the first 2 days riding up and down residential roads getting used to low speed stuff and a lot of emergency braking practice, I'm pretty sure it's saved me 2 crashes so far! Definately the way to go when you first start out :)

[Genie]

When I first started out I spent the first 2 days riding up and down residential roads getting used to low speed stuff and a lot of emergency braking practice, I'm pretty sure it's saved me 2 crashes so far! Definately the way to go when you first start out :)

thank you...was how my mind was thinking .... maybe i am intelligent after all. Was going to pop into a huge empty carpark for good measure as well

[Grubber]

Maybe you should try it one day...you'd like it!

Born and bread in under the foothills of Mt Hutt. Had plenty trips to Nelson. Awesome place.....not too keen on Auckland hence living in Pukekohe. Hoping to do 3 weeks back down there in Feb March. You from that neck of the woods are ya.....you lucky little trolip!

[Mikkel]

70 km/h on a learners plate. Yeah I did that speed - at least twice on every open-road ride... on my way up to and down from 100 km/h.

All this nonsense about no motorway while on learners... How about asking the question: should a motorcyclist who is not competent to do 100 km/h on an open road be on the road in the first place? Maybe the public road isn't the best place to acquire the skills necessary to operate a vehicle at the post speed-limit?
The system is broken - the mere fact that they force people with a full license in another class to become learners is ridiculous. Imposing a curfew on a 30+ year old because they want to attain another license class is ridiculous. The graded licensing system is made for teenagers not adults. The 6R license restrictions makes perfect sense - if we ignore the curfew for a second - in that it limits you in regards to stepping off the deep end.

[magicmonkey]

thank you...was how my mind was thinking .... maybe i am intelligent after all. Was going to pop into a huge empty carpark for good measure as well

yeah, empty car park would be awesome, I didn't quite trust myself to ride to the nearest one though!

One thing I wish someone had told me before I started out was to use the back brake at slow speeds, I've only started doing it in the last few weeks and it really makes a difference ...

[Genie]

Born and bread in under the foothills of Mt Hutt. Had plenty trips to Nelson. Awesome place.....not too keen on Auckland hence living in Pukekohe. Hoping to do 3 weeks back down there in Feb March. You from that neck of the woods are ya.....you lucky little trolip!

who you calling trolllop??? bloody helll. it's bitch.

yes I am fortunate to be livng here. will be even more fortunate next thursday. just off down the shop to have another 'sit' and give them a few dollars down....they only got one left in stock and the next lot will be $500 more. They not selling 'my' bike

[Genie]

yeah, empty car park would be awesome, I didn't quite trust myself to ride to the nearest one though!

One thing I wish someone had told me before I started out was to use the back brake at slow speeds, I've only started doing it in the last few weeks and it really makes a difference ...

am fortunate that i had hepas of experience before i had children, really need to re-fresh. the bike shop down the road has a huge carpark so i'll be having a wee pootle around there before i hit the big road.

[Grubber]

who you calling trolllop??? bloody helll. it's bitch.

yes I am fortunate to be livng here. will be even more fortunate next thursday. just off down the shop to have another 'sit' and give them a few dollars down....they only got one left in stock and the next lot will be $500 more. They not selling 'my' bike

HAHAHA. You sound worse than me when buying a new bike....I see it, i want it, i buy it and look out anyone who gets in my way. Usually go for the cash deal and get the good price... Sounds like you are the reborn biker are ya. Think a lot of people have been there.

[p.dath]

70 km/h on a learners plate. Yeah I did that speed - at least twice on every open-road ride... on my way up to and down from 100 km/h.

All this nonsense about no motorway while on learners... How about asking the question: should a motorcyclist who is not competent to do 100 km/h on an open road be on the road in the first place? Maybe the public road isn't the best place to acquire the skills necessary to operate a vehicle at the post speed-limit?
The system is broken - the mere fact that they force people with a full license in another class to become learners is ridiculous. Imposing a curfew on a 30+ year old because they want to attain another license class is ridiculous. The graded licensing system is made for teenagers not adults. The 6R license restrictions makes perfect sense - if we ignore the curfew for a second - in that it limits you in regards to stepping off the deep end.

This tired argument again.

So you think because someone has had a car licence for 15 years they should automatically get a motorcycle licence with no restrictions?

The licence restrictions aren't for a huge period of time compared to the length of time you could be riding for over the rest of your life. Is it really such a big deal to travel on lower speed roads for a short period of time just while you get your skills up?

And is it really such a big deal that you don't ride after 10pm - just while you are learning essential riding skills that may well save your life later on?

Are you going to put forward the ridiculous argument that learning these skills while riding as fast as you can, at 100km/h, is the best way to go? Not even someone learning to ride a push bike does that. You start of at slower speeds and then build up.


Have you got any other great ideas on ways to kill leaner riders?

[The Everlasting]

I have jsut got my learners, am purchasing my bike in a week and I do intend to travel within the speed limit. Think I might be too scared to go over 70 anyway. Nelson only has one pretend motorway so i'm pretty safe there. will stick to quiet suburban roads to start and will venture out country as confidence grows.

I would suspect that as I grow in confidence so to will my speed so that is something I will need to be very aware off.


To be honest,I now completely ignore the 70km/h law,when i first had my bike i stayed at 70,cos I wasn't confident enough.

I used to have cars overtake me in MY lane,i'e they couldn't be bothered changing lanes,so tried to push me out of my lane,and into the shoulder area.It's far safer to travel at a speed where you don't get impatient cagers up your ass!


PS,I only go on the motorway if there is no other way to get where I'm going.

[magicmonkey]

This tired arguement again.

So you think because someone has had a car licence for 15 years they should automatically get a motorcycle licence with no restrictions?

The licence restrictions aren't for a huge period of time compared to the length of time you could be riding for over the rest of your life? Is it really such a big deal to travel on lower speed roads for a short period of time just while you get your skills up?

And is it really such a big deal that you don't ride after 10pm - just while you are learning essential riding skills that may well save your life later on?

Are you going to put forward the redicoulous argument that learning these skills while riding as fast as you can, at 100km/h, is the best way to go? Not even someone learning to ride a push bike does that. You start of at slower speeds and then up.


Have you got any other great ideas on ways to kill leaner riders?

The issue isn't the period of being on a learners, it's the complete lack of training and the arbitrary, and probably counterproductive, rules that apply to a completely untrained rider; there's a big difference...

[p.dath]

The issue isn't the period of being on a learners, it's the complete lack of training and the arbitrary, and probably counterproductive, rules that apply to a completely untrained rider; there's a big difference...

And what's preventing people from making the personal choice to getting training? Do we really need to regulate again, and force people to do it? Do we really need Government mandated systems? Everytime you ask the Government to step in taxation costs rise, and you loose a little bit more choice.

[magicmonkey]

And what's preventing people from making the personal choice to getting training? Do we really need to regulate again, and force people to do it? Do we really need Government mandated systems? Everytime you ask the Government to step in taxation costs rise, and you loose a little bit more choice.

Coinsidering the amount of riders I head about in fatal accidents is tesatament to the fact that you (kiwi's, not you personally) need training provided properly and enforced accross all license holders, I'd sooner have the government take away a right to a minor choice than see people dying for no good reason and it's worth far more money than will be spent on it in my eyes.

[p.dath]

Coinsidering the amount of riders I head about in fatal accidents is tesatament to the fact that you (kiwi's, not you personally) need training provided properly and enforced accross all license holders, I'd sooner have the government take away a right to a minor choice than see people dying for no good reason and it's worth far more money than will be spent on it in my eyes.

Here is a question for you. How many fatalities per year are acceptable? What target do you think we should try and achieve?

[magicmonkey]

ugh, I shouldn't post when I have a hangover!!

[Autech]

Well I've been on learners about 8 months (will sit my restricted when I get time...) was riding without a license for about 4 months too until Mr Fuzz asked me kindly to get one :P. I've never displayed a plate, ever, I think of it as a warning to other drivers that you haven't quite mastered the road code yet. Having driven since 15 thats not the case for me. As for 70ks? I think I'd rather hit the back of a truck then get run over by one.

[red mermaid]

As truck drivers are professional drivers they are probably the least of your worry's.

Its the idiots in cars you have to watch out for.

[KiWiP]

As truck drivers are professional drivers they are probably the least of your worry's.

I'm assuming you or a close friend is a trucker. There is no evidence at all to suggest that truckers are more aware, more considerate, or better than any other road user (including motorcyclists). If they have a license it only shows they satisfied the minimum requirement to pass. Taxi drivers, courierpost drivers, and pizza hut delivery guys are all professional drivers, but who hasn't sworn at one of them...
Who also hasn't at some time in their life driving whatever has gone "F*** that was close!" 3s after doing something pretty dumb and don't we all consider ourselves to be better than average road users.
Don't make the mistake of putting any road user on a pedestal.

They are all out to get you! (including ourselves)

[The Everlasting]

^That is correct,if you treat all motorists like they got their licence out of a weetbix packet,then you might avoid a few accidents.

[Mudfart]

i know a guy who was a taxi driver, he had 4 accidents in taxis, and had to keep changing companies.
One time he reversed into my car parked in the driveway (parallel) to his!! He just drove off denying everything. At the end of his shift wen he returned I gave him his rear lights back, they were in the fat dent in my drivers door.
Next he became a courier driver, and thats when he had a really serious accident, he had to appear in court, go to hospital etc....
Now he has no job, only a subie impreza 2 ltr turbo. scary.

[Autech]

i know a guy who was a taxi driver, he had 4 accidents in taxis, and had to keep changing companies.
One time he reversed into my car parked in the driveway (parallel) to his!! He just drove off denying everything. At the end of his shift wen he returned I gave him his rear lights back, they were in the fat dent in my drivers door.
Next he became a courier driver, and thats when he had a really serious accident, he had to appear in court, go to hospital etc....
Now he has no job, only a subie impreza 2 ltr turbo. scary.

With luck it will throw its big end before he kills himself or someone else in it.

[Genie]

To be honest,I now completely ignore the 70km/h law,when i first had my bike i stayed at 70,cos I wasn't confident enough.

I used to have cars overtake me in MY lane,i'e they couldn't be bothered changing lanes,so tried to push me out of my lane,and into the shoulder area.It's far safer to travel at a speed where you don't get impatient cagers up your ass!


PS,I only go on the motorway if there is no other way to get where I'm going.

I'm thnking I will be the same...lucky here in Nelson but if I want to head out of town I'll need to go over, otherwise you're right, i'll get shunted out of the way!!!!

[The Everlasting]

With luck it will throw its big end before he kills himself or someone else in it.


They are actually just as reliable as any other turbo car out there,I have owned one a few years ago!

[Thaeos]

To be honest,I now completely ignore the 70km/h law,when i first had my bike i stayed at 70,cos I wasn't confident enough.

I used to have cars overtake me in MY lane,i'e they couldn't be bothered changing lanes,so tried to push me out of my lane,and into the shoulder area.It's far safer to travel at a speed where you don't get impatient cagers up your ass!


PS,I only go on the motorway if there is no other way to get where I'm going.

That's pretty shocking if they try to pass you in the same lane. I'm guessing you need to take a more assertive position in the lane so they can't do that? Right wheel track it says in the road code...

[LBD]

I will probably still be on my learners when I am 70.....:doh::stupid::wacko:

[The Everlasting]

That's pretty shocking if they try to pass you in the same lane. I'm guessing you need to take a more assertive position in the lane so they can't do that? Right wheel track it says in the road code...


Yeah I know the road code,I have had cars pass me on the right and left side,they couldn't be bothered changing lanes,that's the reason i now travel at a 100 on the motorway.

[Genie]

I have to say....not me.
I am so struggling...holding up the traffic sucks.
I feel like they all hate me for making them go slow, I'm as far over as I can safely go without riding on the gravel.
So what do I do, I go faster. Plus I do like going faster. Plus, my bike doesn't like slow.
I had every intention of being a good girl out there and I'm failing.
I think I will be like many before and those to follow, I will remove my pretty bright yellow tag, I was so proud of my tag and now - it's just annoying!!

[The Everlasting]

Ripped my L-Plate off a few weeks ago,i don't see it going back on anytime soon.

[Genie]

Ripped my L-Plate off a few weeks ago,i don't see it going back on anytime soon.

I'd be thinking it would only go back on for the restricted test!!!!

[Mikkel]

This tired argument again.

So you think because someone has had a car licence for 15 years they should automatically get a motorcycle licence with no restrictions?

The licence restrictions aren't for a huge period of time compared to the length of time you could be riding for over the rest of your life. Is it really such a big deal to travel on lower speed roads for a short period of time just while you get your skills up?

And is it really such a big deal that you don't ride after 10pm - just while you are learning essential riding skills that may well save your life later on?

Are you going to put forward the ridiculous argument that learning these skills while riding as fast as you can, at 100km/h, is the best way to go? Not even someone learning to ride a push bike does that. You start of at slower speeds and then build up.


Have you got any other great ideas on ways to kill leaner riders?

I have a great idea for you: try to read and] understand what you reply to. I specifically said that the learners period (Not the restricted!) doesn't make sense when you have already got extensive experience in traffic.

Telling grown ups that they can't ride between 10 pm and 5 am is ridiculous. It has nothing to do with conditions - i.e. the restriction doesn't say "not allowed to ride between sundown and sunrise".

I am not at all advocating that people should leave their comfort zone - but, suggesting that everybody's comfort zone stops at 70 km/h and they won't be able to exercise sound judgement beyond that point is ludicrous.

I'll say it again, learner restrictions are designed with teenagers in mind who are taking their first steps into the pulverising life of motoring. The 6R restrictions are all, except the curfew, sound restrictions that will allow you to learn how operate a motorcycle without getting in over your head.

And since you mention it, could you please provide the number of learner riders who died on their bikes last year? Can you tell me how many died because they breached their license restrictions? And was the restriction they breached a 6L or a 6R restriction? I somehow doubt anyone died because they drove without an L-plate or because they drove between 10 pm and 5 am. So pull your head out of your arse and stop implying that I am trying to kill new riders by giving bad advice.

The truly dangerous newbies are the ones who don't even bother with the license and just buys some 250+ km/h rocket and wing it. I.e. the ones who fail to think...

[p.dath]

I have a great idea for you: try to read and] understand what you reply to. I specifically said that the learners period (Not the restricted!) doesn't make sense when you have already got extensive experience in traffic.

But the thing is, if you haven't ridden a motorcycle in traffic - most probably indicated by the fact you have a learners licence - they you *dont* have extensive experience in traffic on a motorcycle. Sure it might be in a car - but riding a bike is simply not the same. Only some of your experience is transferrable.


Telling grown ups that they can't ride between 10 pm and 5 am is ridiculous. It has nothing to do with conditions - i.e. the restriction doesn't say "not allowed to ride between sundown and sunrise".

You'll have to get used to it. "Grown ups" are told what to do all the time. At work. At home. And yes, by the Government.


I am not at all advocating that people should leave their comfort zone - but, suggesting that everybody's comfort zone stops at 70 km/h and they won't be able to exercise sound judgement beyond that point is ludicrous.

You do realise you can simply apply for an exemption to any restrictions if you feel your judgement is sound - and that you can convince the NZTA of that? If you can't convince them then perhaps it might be a touch of overconfidence?


And since you mention it, could you please provide the number of learner riders who died on their bikes last year? Can you tell me how many died because they breached their license restrictions? And was the restriction they breached a 6L or a 6R restriction? I somehow doubt anyone died because they drove without an L-plate or because they drove between 10 pm and 5 am. So pull your head out of your arse and stop implying that I am trying to kill new riders by giving bad advice.

I'm not going to dig out the figures for you (I have a latter to write, but that's another thread), you can retrieve them yourself from the NZTA. They are on their web site. Young riders are dis-proportionally represented in the accident statistics. Accidents as a result of breaches of licence conditions figure highly enough that they do mention them in the NZTA report. The breach of alcohol restriction being the most commonly broken. I think exceeding the speed restriction of their licence was one of the other top factors listed.


So please people, while you are learning, please take it careful and try and stick to your licence restrictions. No one likes to read about any rider being involved in an accident.

[p.dath]

I have a great idea for you: try to read and] understand what you reply to. I specifically said that the learners period (Not the restricted!) doesn't make sense when you have already got extensive experience in traffic.

Just for your interest I took a look at the 2008 crash statistics for motorcycles:
http://www.transport.govt.nz/research/Documents/Motor%20vehicle%20crashes%202008_Section%204%20Mot orcycle%20casualties%20and%20crashes.pdf
Jump down to page 70, "PERCENTAGE OF MOTORCYCLE CASUALTIES BY AGE AND SEX".

15-24 year olds had the highest number of accidents, followed closely by 25 to 54 year olds. The accident statistics don't support that having extensive experience in traffic is enough to stop you having a motorcycle accident.

[Genie]

Sorry to say but today my 'L" plate fell off, as riding 70kph on the open road is far too dangerous and it makes me a right annoyance to all the other road users.
I be a very bad girl.

[JimO]

Sorry to say but today my 'L" plate fell off, as riding 70kph on the open road is far too dangerous and it makes me a right annoyance to all the other road users.
I be a very bad girl.

yea and its only a $400 fine anyway innit

[Genie]

yea and its only a $400 fine anyway innit

so I have been informed. But, on the other hand If I cause a crash or get smacked into...imagine the acc bill!!!!

and being blonde with boobies I'm sure a could sweet talk the male officer......I've done it before. ooops, me bad!

[The Everlasting]

Sorry to say but today my 'L" plate fell off, as riding 70kph on the open road is far too dangerous and it makes me a right annoyance to all the other road users.
I be a very bad girl.

That's good,you will be much safer now travelling at the same speed as other traffic.

[JimO]

and being blonde with boobies I'm sure a could sweet talk the male officer......I've done it before. ooops, me bad!

pics please

[skinny]

No I dont stick to 70 km limit i do what i feel comfortable with. I started off only doing 50-60 and staying away from the motorways. Now im just starting to go on them i have had my licence for about a month.

The L plate fell off within a few days but thats the risk i take.

[Eyegasm]

The L plate fell off within a few days but thats the risk i take.

I love my L-Plate... There I said it

No I do not travel at 70kph, on the Wellington Motorway that would be ridiculous and dangerous!
Even travelling at 100 I get people over taking me! and then slowing down in front of me?
Like WTF mate, you dont want to follow me cos of an L-Plate?

Loser, Then I chilax and laugh at them for being douches...

[marine0089]

Sort of on topic,

I just booked in my restricted test for 15th of Feb so am now in need of an L plate.

Was going to just go buy a new one but thought I may as well try save the trees (trees?) and see if anyone on here has an old one they no longer need?

If so, PM me.

[Mikkel]

But the thing is, if you haven't ridden a motorcycle in traffic - most probably indicated by the fact you have a learners licence - they you *dont* have extensive experience in traffic on a motorcycle. Sure it might be in a car - but riding a bike is simply not the same. Only some of your experience is transferrable.

I didn't expect you to understand all of it - but I had hoped you wouldn't have missed the point entirely. A learner's license indicate that you are completely new to the game of motoring - a restricted license indicates that you are new to the vehicle in question and getting familiar with its specifics.


You'll have to get used to it. "Grown ups" are told what to do all the time. At work. At home. And yes, by the Government.

And only the sheeple accept that fact with questioning it. Grown ups do what they do because they want to - and they face up to their responsibilities. Following the rules, because they are the rules is worthy of scorn - following the rules because they make sense and you agree with them is an entirely different matter.

But you must be so glad that you get to live in a nanny state... at least you won't have to do hard stuff like thinking for yourself. And I guess you never speed and never exceeded 70 km/h when you were on your L.


You do realise you can simply apply for an exemption to any restrictions if you feel your judgement is sound - and that you can convince the NZTA of that? If you can't convince them then perhaps it might be a touch of overconfidence?

I realise that I can apply for an exemption - simply, that I don't know about. However, that fact doesn't in any way justify having silly restrictions in the first place.
Having to deal with bureaucratic institutions is a hassle I can do without.


So please people, while you are learning, please take it careful and try and stick to your licence restrictions. No one likes to read about any rider being involved in an accident.

"Yes mom!" Seriously, get over yourself - you are currently preaching to the choir. If people are silly enough to really put their lives at risk, do you actually think they'll give a heck about the rules? And do you think they'll give a damn about your concerns?


I'm not going to dig out the figures for you (I have a latter to write, but that's another thread), you can retrieve them yourself from the NZTA. They are on their web site. Young riders are dis-proportionally represented in the accident statistics. Accidents as a result of breaches of licence conditions figure highly enough that they do mention them in the NZTA report. The breach of alcohol restriction being the most commonly broken. I think exceeding the speed restriction of their licence was one of the other top factors listed.

Well, I'm sure that if I had, during my learner period, somehow managed to get run over by a truck at 10.20 pm on a summer evening - due to no fault of my own - then that death would be attributed to breach of license condition. I really hope I don't have to give more than one example for you to get the point here.

There is no license restriction in regards to learners and restricted licenses and alcohol. There's a distinction in regards to age (http://www.alac.org.nz/DrinkingAndDriving.aspx?PostingID=633), which makes your argument even more irrelevant in light of our current discussion.

As has been established here many many times, a lot of people break the 70 km/h restriction. It follows that some people will have accident during the particular time in which they are breaking this restriction - reasoning that all these accident must be due to the breach is a laughable claim. ...but no doubt that's the assumption upon which the statistics are based.

Ultimately bike safety comes down to three things: maturity (attitude if you will), competence and luck. (And most likely in that order too.) I'll claim that the average 16 year old kid doesn't have the maturity to handle him/herself safely in traffic. This claim is at least in accord with the statistics - and most other countries do not hand out drivers licenses at that young an age. Also, teenagers don't give a shit about the rules - never have, never will. Trying to make them adhere to a number of restrictions, half of which are inherently silly, is not going to happen. Trying to enforce the same rules upon an independently thinking adult is even more ridiculous.


Just for your interest I took a look at the 2008 crash statistics for motorcycles:
http://www.transport.govt.nz/research/Documents/Motor%20vehicle%20crashes%202008_Section%204%20Mot orcycle%20casualties%20and%20crashes.pdf
Jump down to page 70, "PERCENTAGE OF MOTORCYCLE CASUALTIES BY AGE AND SEX".

15-24 year olds had the highest number of accidents, followed closely by 25 to 54 year olds. The accident statistics don't support that having extensive experience in traffic is enough to stop you having a motorcycle accident.

You don't really get statistics at all do you? The table in question shows the distribution of casualties between people of different ages. In order to interpret that in any meaningful manner you need to know the distribution of motorcyclists depending upon age - i.e. if there are twice as many young riders as old riders it would be (all other factors considered equal) expected that there be twice as many casualties within this category.

Young people may well be over-represented in the casualties - the logical conclusion, to me, would be that the license restrictions do not work as intended!
We see casualties drop off as the age goes up - this could be due to several factors: e.g. people riding less as they get older or that the experience-to-testosterone ratio may have an impact.

Now I'm just left wondering what the "Other" category covers... children under 5? Hermaphrodites?

[The Everlasting]

Even travelling at 100 I get people over taking me! and then slowing down in front of me?
Like WTF mate, you dont want to follow me cos of an L-Plate?

Loser, Then I chilax and laugh at them for being douches...

Yeah I did notice that too when I had my L-Plate on,after I took it off didn't seem to happen anymore.

[tcpdump]

yea and its only a $400 fine anyway innit

Since 1st of December 2009 the fine decreased to $100 but of course you'll get another $100 for doing more than 70km/h and 60 demerit points (25+35).
But it's way better than getting $800 fine.

I kept my L plate. And I'm doing 100 on the Wellington motorway every day and I saw a lot of others L platers do the same. So far, nobody bothered stopping me.

[enzedone]

I put my L plate on for the first time today. I had a wee chat with a man in blue the other morning on my way to work. 105km, 4.30am, no plate. 20 minutes later and loads of warnings (bike impounding, court....) he let me go to work and back.
Went for a ride today (1hour) came home, no plate left. Only a small piece around the nut.
I had and old XJ550 years ago, never got hassled, even at check points. No license, no worries. But now I can't afford to lose my license. So no riding to work anymore. I can wait another 2 months.
Just glad he didn't stop me coming home doing naughty speeds.....:shit:

[Cayman911]

Id recommend having your plate for riding around the inner city.
like i found out today. the biker cop told me to pull over at the lights . there goes $100 and 25 demerit points.

[Genie]

I took mine off as I felt like a target, rode around for a week and put it back on. Dont' care about it. If it saves me $100 then I'll have it on.
Not sticking to 70k as I think on the open road it is far too dangerous and I'm not into big trucks sitting on my arse!!!!
Only have to have it on for a short time anyway, will induce me to get restricted asap!!!

[Cayman911]

Restricted will be over and done with next week, after delaying and being on my learners for nearly 2 years. and i only get my ticket a week before my test lol.

its just how the world works

[blackdog]

can someone correct me if im wrong, but my understanding is that if you are caught riding on only a full car license without any class 6, that the appropriate fine is only $50 for riding with the wrong class of license?(and vice versa) (accordin to a cop i talked to some time ago). 4got to ask about demerits tho.......has this changed?

also, in my experience the level of maturity you show when engaging with an officer can make a huge difference in any actions he/she may decide to take. i believe most are willing to take a common sense approach with both the 70km limit and 'L' plates

[tcpdump]

Id recommend having your plate for riding around the inner city.
like i found out today. the biker cop told me to pull over at the lights . there goes $100 and 25 demerit points.

Were you stalling or having difficulties with the bike?
Seems a bit odd for a cop to pull you over without him suspecting something.

[red mermaid]

Wrong class of licence is $400, not sure if there is any demerits.


can someone correct me if im wrong, but my understanding is that if you are caught riding on only a full car license without any class 6, that the appropriate fine is only $50 for riding with the wrong class of license?(and vice versa) (accordin to a cop i talked to some time ago). 4got to ask about demerits tho.......has this changed?

also, in my experience the level of maturity you show when engaging with an officer can make a huge difference in any actions he/she may decide to take. i believe most are willing to take a common sense approach with both the 70km limit and 'L' plates

Police do not need a reason to stop a vehicle. You can stop at random all day, every day.

tcpdump
Originally Posted by Cayman911
Id recommend having your plate for riding around the inner city.
like i found out today. the biker cop told me to pull over at the lights . there goes $100 and 25 demerit points.
Were you stalling or having difficulties with the bike?
Seems a bit odd for a cop to pull you over without him suspecting something.

[blackdog]

Wrong class of licence is $400, not sure if there is any demerits.

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anyone on the demerits?

[tcpdump]

I already provided a link in this thread to the Land Transport saying that you get
$100 and 35 demerit points for not having the L plate
$100 and 25 demerit points for going above 70km/h.

This changed on the 1st of December 2009, prior to that it was $400+25 (no L platE) and $400+25 (over 70km/h).

[CRF119]

Na im on my learners, got bored of a 250 so brought a CBR900RR. Can't sit my restricted now as i dont have a 250 lol

[blackdog]

I already provided a link in this thread to the Land Transport saying that you get
$100 and 35 demerit points for not having the L plate
$100 and 25 demerit points for going above 70km/h.

This changed on the 1st of December 2009, prior to that it was $400+25 (no L platE) and $400+25 (over 70km/h).

im sorry you appear to have misunderstood me.

the question was, "what are the demerits for riding on the wrong class of license?"

[R-Soul]

I took mine off as I felt like a target, rode around for a week and put it back on. Dont' care about it. If it saves me $100 then I'll have it on.
Not sticking to 70k as I think on the open road it is far too dangerous and I'm not into big trucks sitting on my arse!!!!
Only have to have it on for a short time anyway, will induce me to get restricted asap!!!

You have to wonder at the common sense of requiring inexperienced riders to hang around at 70km/h while large trucks and cars pass them at a speed differential of 30km/hr, dont you?

I mean, if you dont have the riding technique to control a bike at 100km/hr, what makes you think their riding technique will be any more useful at 70 km/hr?

[Cayman911]

Were you stalling or having difficulties with the bike?
Seems a bit odd for a cop to pull you over without him suspecting something.

not at all. was with my friend and his ninja. and we were both going good.

he told me it was just a warrant and rego check. but he forgot all about that when he saw the L on my licence...even though ive had that 6L for 2 years...

it was a full on crack down on motorists that day. there were so many cop cars i lost count. but they didnt seem to even notice bikes. just the biker cop that was interested. saw him pulling over a ducati aswell when i was heading back.

[tcpdump]

im sorry you appear to have misunderstood me.

the question was, "what are the demerits for riding on the wrong class of license?"

Yes, sorry about that.

Not sure, but I assume riding on the wrong class of license == breaching license conditions? Or do you mean riding a bike with just a car license?

[Cayman911]

I already provided a link in this thread to the Land Transport saying that you get
$100 and 35 demerit points for not having the L plate
$100 and 25 demerit points for going above 70km/h.


Wrong way around, 25 demerits for no L plate, 35 demerits for any other breach of restricted conditions, which include going above 70km/h.

I happily have my 25 points

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/motorcycle-road-code/updates/
http://www.police.govt.nz/service/road/infringements_faq.html

As for riding on the wrong class of license, there would be no demerit points. just $400 for riding with no current license. Just asked a police friend.

[blackdog]

Yes, sorry about that.

Not sure, but I assume riding on the wrong class of license == breaching license conditions? Or do you mean riding a bike with just a car license?

correct. riding with just a car license (ie/ same fine as a learners but not extra fines for ea breach for cc's, pillions, after hours, l-plate, over 70kms etcetc)

[blackdog]

As for riding on the wrong class of license, there would be no demerit points. just $400 for riding with no current license. Just asked a police friend.

kinda makes you not want to bother aye?

[Jonno.]

Why aren't I allowed to go 100 on the open road on my 600 with a pillion on my learners. :crybaby:

[blackdog]

Why aren't I allowed to go 100 on the open road on my 600 with a pillion on my learners. :crybaby:

seems u better off doing it on a car license, in fact you even lose your license on learners!

ie/ on learners
((100km= $100+35 points, +pillion $100+35 points, +more than 250cc =$100+35 points)(+ i assume $100+25 points for no L-plate on a 600) =total $400+130 points) =lost license!

ad another $100+points if it's at midnight!

on full car license = $400 + no points

i wonder which most people would prefer?