The levies. It's all about the levies. Time to take stock

[Ixion]

It's all gone a bit quiet.

That's not necessarily a bad thing (it's very interesting that Mr Smith refuses to make ANY comment)

I think we all need to take stock of where we are at.

Some thoughts

1. It's nearly Christmas. People, including bikers, have a lot of other commitments around now. And there are other events happening, like the Toy Run.
2. The only political activity happening now is Party end of year things, which don't really offer a lot of scope , especially if they are invite only. At the beginning of the campaign, we needed presence at such things to make the pollies aware that we were angry. I'm confident they all know that now, what we now is face time to explain WHY we are angry - can't really do that chanting at the roadside.
3. We are starting to split, the message is getting diluted. We need to keep focus on what we are about - it's all about the levies.
4 Likewise people are starting to drift off
5. We are getting push back, because people say "Well, you don't know what the Minister will decide, so why are you not waiting until you know the decision".
6. However, if we just wait and do nothing we risk losing the momentum. More people drift off etc.
7. But, this is a two year campaign. We can't keep up the same level of activity for two years as fo two months.

Some things are happening in the background.

BRONZ is working on holding a national congress in January, the first in many years . Obviously the major agenda item will be another big national protest event . Maybe BIKEOI-2, maybe a different format.

We are working on consolidating our position with our allies. While at the same time being very careful we don't get swallowed up by them

My own feeling is we need to refocus on the primary message - "The levies. it's all about the levies". And we need at least one fairly major event in Auckland (and maybe one in Wellington, Christchurch seem to be doing well ), before Christmass.

Something spectacular , and with a lot of presence. Needs to be weekend, needs to be a ride. Suggestions are welcome.

After Christmas we should know the Minsiter's decision. Which will NOT make us happy. Be under no illusiuons about that, though it may hopefully be less vicious than recommended. In may ways it would be better for the overall campaign if he does stick with the recommendations. If he cuts them back , we are likely to lose a lot of support, the public will say "Well,you got a much better deal than you expected, and you're still bitching. Pissoff". And the drift off will increase. Whereas if he plays hard ball, the public will feel we are really being victimised, and the biker anger will be rekindled.

So startegy in the new year does depend on that deicsion. One way is hard core protest al the way, the other will ahve to be of a back office campaign.

In the meantime :

A spectacular ride event on a weekend between now and Xmas. What, where? Needs a theme.

[gijoe1313]

I'd like a ride to be in pirate theme! Because thats what they be doing! Buccaneering off the bikers and marooning them! Arrrrr! But that be my two pieces o'eight.

But yes, all gone a bit quiet ... thanks for the update Ixion!

[Ixion]

I sort of thought maybe something playing on the "many faces of bikers" theme - y'know, biker+teacher+taxpayer; biker+mother+taxpayer; biker+whatever+taxpayer. Something doable along them lines?

[MSTRS]

Trouble is, nearing Xmas the rise in shopper numbers means that any big ride near them is gonna be most disruptive. At this 'sensitive' time of year, we really do not want to be pissing off the public. Xmas is stressful enough.
Yet if a protest is not in view, what good is it?
Where's that Hobson prick?

[DidJit]

What about the 19th? Gives people enough time to do the necessary planning, alert authorities, and get numbers here. Last weekend before the mass summer holiday exodus from Auckland too (although a number of people will probably be leaving that weekend).

What's the general feeling on theme? Are we still angry bikers, or are we the good guys trying to alert the greater NZ public to the perils before them? Could we tie in some good-will gesture (City Mission perhaps)? Or does that dilute the message ("Damn the levies!")?

EDIT: Many faces of bikers. Don't forget to add "+ VOTER!" to the end there, Ix.

Would be awesome to see a few thousand bikes streaming down the entire breadth of Queen Street.

[Ixion]

However, the open roads are probably not too bad, everybody is at the malls. Maybe a circular protest round the various smaller towns in each region?

Or a mall to mall ride. Someone early on commented that they got good mileage just from parking a few bright shiney bikes up and people would come look.

[MSTRS]

I sort of thought maybe something playing on the "many faces of bikers" theme - y'know, biker+teacher+taxpayer; biker+mother+taxpayer; biker+whatever+taxpayer. Something doable along them lines?

Frosty's "patch" thread raised a good idea. Just get enough people to wander the streets and shops, with T shirts done with the appropriate patch. Don't need a load of bikes - just a load of people.
They'd have to make their own tho. Too late to do a print run.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Thanks you ixion that was all i was asking.

Wendy & Pete :confused:

[Mrs Busa Pete]

However, the open roads are probably not too bad, everybody is at the malls. Maybe a circular protest round the various smaller towns in each region?

Or a mall to mall ride. Someone early on commented that they got good mileage just from parking a few bright shiney bikes up and people would come look.


What about a couple of bikers parked up at the malls get the petition sighned.

[MSTRS]

What about a couple of bikers parked up at the malls get the petition sighned.

Now that is a good idea. We are probably going to do that here.

[Ixion]

What about a couple of bikers parked up at the malls get the petition sighned.

Good to do. But I'm thinking one more visible "maybe get in the papers" type protest before Xmas.

The whole "get signatures, pester politicans" stuff needs to continue right on through.

But we need a signature event. Thinking caps on.

[MSTRS]

The whole "get signatures, pester politicans" stuff needs to continue right on through.



Hopefully, that free print offer will be used for petition forms. Just confirming with the printer.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Good to do. But I'm thinking one more visible "maybe get in the papers" type protest before Xmas.

The whole "get signatures, pester politicans" stuff needs to continue right on through.

But we need a signature event. Thinking caps on.

So what about another breakfast this time in St Heliers with a drive by those address you metion before.
We dont have to have the same bikers every weekend there are thousand of bikers out there.

[Nasty]

So what about another breakfast this time in St Heliers with a drive by those address you metion before.
We dont have to have the same bikers every weekend there are thousand of bikers out there.

Great idea Mrs BP ... quite a lot of work to organise ... so who to take the lead?

With the Martinborough one we had press, and businesses supporting us ...

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Great idea Mrs BP ... quite a lot of work to organise ... so who to take the lead?

With the Martinborough one we had press, and businesses supporting us ...

Well i'm sure Anne will do It again.

[Nasty]

Well i'm sure Anne will do It again.

But it is your idea Mrs Busa Pete ... so why not run with it, there are many people in Auckland and lots of different things to do .... There is no stopping anyone actually starting and working through it ... why load all the pressure onto one person?

[MSTRS]

Well i'm sure Anne will do It again.

I'm sure she will. If no-one else puts their hand up.
As has been said, there are thousands of bikers in and around Auckland. Why should someone from Warkworth always have to be the one to organise things?
Doesn't have to be you, but is there any reason why it shouldn't be, if you want to see it happen and if you want to do the work?

[retro asian]

I sort of thought maybe something playing on the "many faces of bikers" theme - y'know, biker+teacher+taxpayer; biker+mother+taxpayer; biker+whatever+taxpayer. Something doable along them lines?

Something with more Pizazz = better media coverage....I like the pirate idea.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

I'm sure she will. If no-one else puts their hand up.
As has been said, there are thousands of bikers in and around Auckland. Why should someone from Warkworth always have to be the one to organise things?
Doesn't have to be you, but is there any reason why it shouldn't be, if you want to do the work?

I have no intentions on doing anything and the Sunday Breakfast/Brunch anyone idea was Annes so there is no way i will get involved with that How ever i will attend.

Wendy & Pete:whistle:

[Kiwi Graham]

How about a 'relay' of bikers taking the 'message' to parlament?

Dont know what form the message takes, could be the petition, could be a Christmas card, could be letters we all write..........something anyway.

But a traveling relay passing on the 'message' from all corners of both islands ending in Wellington may get the media interested eh!

[HenryDorsetCase]

It's all gone a bit quiet.

A spectacular ride event on a weekend between now and Xmas. What, where? Needs a theme.

Crash the Santa Parade. Yes I am serious

[James Deuce]

Personally I'm uncomfortable with making it about the levies. It just makes us look like grasping bastards.

It's about National selling ACC to the Australian insurance industry piecemeal and making every Kiwi's life that bit more expensive without any return in investment coming back to NZ.

ACC are NZOG's #2 investor. How much slower is Southern Ocean oil exploration and extraction going to be if NZOG lose that investment? That Oil is clearly the key to our future wealth and prosperity, much like North Sea oil turned Norway into an Economic powerhouse despite a small population and a previously primary produce based economy (fish - fish now all dead). Moving food around is going to become prohibitively expensive if eco-weenies get their way, so effectively our fish will be dead soon too.

Complaining about our wallets when the Government is trying to portray us as Rich Urban Bikers with a deadly hobby is just asking for the righteous indignation of Joe Public to power a raise in our levies because we deserve it.

Oh, can we knock the "Angry Biker" thing on the head? Anger has no place in the process of negotiating a settlement.

[MSTRS]

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I have no intentions on doing anything and the Sunday Breakfast/Brunch anyone idea was Annes so there is no way i will get involved with that How ever i will attend.

Wendy & Pete:whistle:

That's just ridiculous. Not to mention childish. There's no copyright on the brunch/park thing, nor does it matter whose idea it was.
You asked what's happening. You made a good suggestion.
If you want it to happen, do it yourself. Don't expect or rely on others to do all the work, all the time.
This ACC issue affects every one of us, whether we can afford higher regos, or not.
Without meaning to lecture, if something is important enough, you/me/him/her/them will get off our arse and do something about it. Others will lend a hand to organise/turn up to support.
If you are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is, then put your wallet away.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

If you are not prepared to put your money where your mouth is, then put your wallet away.

And this bull shit is why i won't do anything to help other than turning up to what ever. Tell me john have you targeted other people that has posted on here and said they are only idea people not doer's i think not.

As far as putting my money where my mouth is as you well know i will. So maybe with that i just go pay the increase and be done with.

Have a nice day
Wendy & Pete

[MSTRS]

And this bull shit is why i won't do anything to help other than turning up to what ever. Tell me john have you targeted other people that has posted on here and said they are only idea people not doer's i think not.

As far as putting my money where my mouth is as you well know i will. So maybe with that i just go pay the increase and be done with.

Have a nice day
Wendy & Pete

FFS - I haven't targeted anyone. Not even you. Why you would think that's what I am doing, I can't understand.
You were the one that asked what's happening. Someone asked why you can't be an organiser. (another thread)
You came up with a good idea. Why you wouldn't want to organise an 'event' around that idea, I don't know.
As far as your money is concerned, I know just how generous you can be. We won't ever forget that. And anyone that says different can answer to me.
However - that's not what I meant before. All I meant was if something isn't happening to your satisfaction, DO IT YOURSELF.

[bogan]

Crash the Santa Parade. Yes I am serious

christmas parade is for the kiddies, no point in us wrecking that. However, joining the christmas parade could be fun!


Personally I'm uncomfortable with making it about the levies. It just makes us look like grasping bastards.

agreed, there are a lot of other people unhappy with what ACC has turned into, how bout we address the bigger issue, and give the wider public a chance to protest too.

[Kflasher]

It's all gone a bit quiet...

Agreed a little to quiet.
I was impressed with the Mission Bay effect, tried to spark some interest in the BOP (Mt Maunganui – Hot spot) but very little interest as too close to Christmas I guess, or could have been down to me being new (retread) to the TGA TNR’s

But I think this is the point, we need to be were the public will see us, be in there way and be noticed but legally… at this stage anyway’s.

[Okey Dokey]

How about a motorcycle doing a bungy jump?:crazy:

That would be news!

Or maybe a woolly bike being shorn; the government is "fleecing" us!

Just brainstorming some visuals the tv may like...

[allycatz]

How about trying to get a line of bikes stretching from one end of NZ to the other...Bikoi brought out the 'wow' factor and something like this could do the same...mite even make a guiness record or something. Could maybe be used to pass completed petitions up and down the country back to Parliament

[MSTRS]

Crash the Santa Parade. Yes I am serious

Go right ahead. Make sure you have your sprinting gear on. Oh - and a bulletproof vest. Cos you'll need it...

[Okey Dokey]

How about trying to get a line of bikes stretching from one end of NZ to the other...Bikoi brought out the 'wow' factor and something like this could do the same...mite even make a guiness record or something. Could maybe be used to pass completed petitions up and down the country back to Parliament

WOW! Wouldn't that be impressive!

[MSTRS]

How about trying to get a line of bikes stretching from one end of NZ to the other...Bikoi brought out the 'wow' factor and something like this could do the same...mite even make a guiness record or something. Could maybe be used to pass completed petitions up and down the country back to Parliament

Great idea. A group of bikes takes the forms from here to there...some bikers go home at that point, and some continue on. They join the crew at the next town, and so on. By the time they get to Welly, the group could be plenty big.
Also means that those who can't take the time etc to do Welly (again) still get to do their bit.
Edit: - just read your post again. Doh!! You mean like a water bucket gang?

[allycatz]

Great idea. A group of bikes takes the forms from here to there...some bikers go home at that point, and some continue on. They join the crew at the next town, and so on. By the time they get to Welly, the group could be plenty big.
Also means that those who can't take the time etc to do Welly (again) still get to do their bit.
Edit: - just read your post again. Doh!! You mean like a water bucket gang?


Well yeah but your idea could work well too...just be linking smaller lines instead of one big line of bikes....even scooters could do this one to make up numbers

[Okey Dokey]

I was picturing a line of bikes stretching down the road (allycatz), but an olympic torch-type thing (mstrs) is good, too.

[Ixion]

Crash the Santa Parade. Yes I am serious

Well, in Dorkland, it would need a Tardis. Santa Parade was weeks ago

[Ixion]

How about trying to get a line of bikes stretching from one end of NZ to the other...Bikoi brought out the 'wow' factor and something like this could do the same...mite even make a guiness record or something. Could maybe be used to pass completed petitions up and down the country back to Parliament

Um.

Say, 5 metres per bike. NZ is about 1600 km long.

That'd need about 320000 bikes. Even allowing for a bit of tolerance, at least quarter of a million

[Okey Dokey]

Bugger! That was quick number crunching, Ixion.

[allycatz]

Um.

Say, 5 metres per bike. NZ is about 1600 km long.

That'd need about 320000 bikes. Even allowing for a bit of tolerance, at least quarter of a million


Okays I dropped outta maths in the 4th form, thanks for clarifying that lol!....so we go with the relay, linking town to town version.

[Okey Dokey]

Maybe we could just do 90 mile beach or something?!?

[allycatz]

Maybe we could just do 90 mile beach or something?!?


Hey Ixion, do your calculations stretch to one island only then...say Auckland to Welly... or Christchurch to Welly

[MSTRS]

How many petitions are out there?
Rick Barker's one closes 15/2/10.

[Ixion]

Relay might be good. Gets us publicity in the smaller towns.

I'd suggest two batons or petitions or something, working north and south, meeting up in Wellington at parliament.

We'd want someone starting from the far souff (Invvercargill, Bluff). And ditto from the far north. And they ride a couple of hundred kilometres, then pass over to the next group.

That way it's not too big an ask on anyone at a busy time of year.

Maybe the Parliamentary bikers could do the last leg (say, Palmy to Wellington ?).

That could attract the public and Press.

Maybe collect donations along the way for a Worth Cause.

Not much time to organise something so complex though.

[Ixion]

Hey Ixion, do your calculations stretch to one island only then...say Auckland to Welly... or Christchurch to Welly

If you got 5000 bikers to take part (I reckon that'd be pushing it pretty hard ), that's only 25 kilometres. Not too impressive.

[MSTRS]

That way it's not too big an ask on anyone at a busy time of year.


When are you thinking of? I had visions of this being the Bikeoi 2.

[allycatz]

Well happy to help co-ordinate anything down this way if anyone else interested

[MSTRS]

I wonder if Rick would be keen to deliver right into the House. On his Rocket III of course.

[Nasty]

Well happy to help co-ordinate anything down this way if anyone else interested

Will add you to the Wellington Action Group.

[Ixion]

When are you thinking of? I had visions of this being the Bikeoi 2.

No. Not that big.

Got to work within the practical.

To do this before Christmass, we need something that's quick to organise and doesn't make too much demand on riders, or, more importantly, their families and partners.

It's a busy and family focused time of year

BIKEOI-2 is for next year. Much bigger

Right now, what we want is just something to keep the kettle boiling , and send bikers into Christmas with an upbeat message.

[Vern]

Hi Ixion, I have a letter from our local MP but I buggered if I can get them on here could you pm me a email address and I could send to you. I will ask for your friend ship that way you will have my private details. Vern

[MSTRS]

To do this before Christmas.. .

I see Bald Eagle has put up a thread - he's saying 15 - 18 Jan. Have I missed something elsewhere?

[Ixion]

I missed it too. 'Tis the way of the net.

[scissorhands]

Regional events will be easier than a ride to Welly. I like a same bat time same bat channel, action in at least 6 regional centers around NZ. Highly visible main street stuff when everyone is out and about shopping just before Xmas. Thursday the 24th Dec from 4ish on will be Xmas party work do time, and pickled workers tongues may waggle levy language? As well family members who cant think of anything to say top each other at Xmas day family dinners, may discuss the protest from the day before

The downside I see as bikers may want to sink a few with their work buddies too, at that time.

A slow ride up Queen on the avo of the 24th would be magic. My 20cents

[Ixion]

No newspapers on the 25th

I think we also want it to be something that gives bikers themselves a buzz. A fell good factor over Xmas, when otherwise disillusionment and -its-too-hardedness- may set in

[MSTRS]

I missed it too. 'Tis the way of the net.

Damn. Someone made an executive decision, without consulting?
I think it's a great idea, but not so sure about the timing. Most people are only a week or less back at work after the Xmas break. Talk about feet not touching the ground!
If it's too early to deliver petition forms, is it too early regardless?

[Ixion]

That weekend roads could be pretty busy with people coming home after holidays. Many bikers included.

But one advantage is that it doesn't need a lot of riders. If there is only one on a specific leg, that's OK (so long as he doesn't crash!)

[Bald Eagle]

I see Bald Eagle has put up a thread - he's saying 15 - 18 Jan. Have I missed something elsewhere?


I missed it too. 'Tis the way of the net.

Put it in Social Group as well but hadn't had time to pm everyone yet.

[MSTRS]

That weekend roads could be pretty busy with people coming home after holidays. Many bikers included.

But one advantage is that it doesn't need a lot of riders. If there is only one on a specific leg, that's OK (so long as he doesn't crash!)

Only thing is...if it's not 'big' - is it worth while, in terms of making an impact/being noticed?

[ManDownUnder]

A spectacular ride event on a weekend between now and Xmas. What, where? Needs a theme.

Christmas itself. It's all about giving (not taking).

ACC is running in the black the figures Smithy has thrown up are crap and we all know it... tell him to stop shooting himself in the political foot, come clean while there's still time to turn this around, allow ACC affected voters to regain confidence in him and we all win.

Or... if taking really is the agenda, then he should expect us to give... in spdes... for the duration of his reign.

It might be nice to put the next ACC minister on notice also that the ol' tried and true "change portfolios just before election time - so he was the bad guy, and not me" won't work.

Put 'em all on notice - all of National.

But it's about giving... so we're giving them the chance, and the advice they need to put things right... it's not too late.

[Bald Eagle]

Damn. Someone made an executive decision, without consulting?
I think it's a great idea, but not so sure about the timing. Most people are only a week or less back at work after the Xmas break. Talk about feet not touching the ground!
If it's too early to deliver petition forms, is it too early regardless?

We can play with the timing a bit but it has to be sooner rather than later.

We need the date decided before the end of this week so I can get on with planning it.

[ManDownUnder]

Hey is there any way we can turn this into a bit of sport? Somehow make a game of it that everyone can join in on.

Like put up targets on the side of the road with the ACC logo on them and invite motorists to hit them with apple cores from passing cars. Make it a contest the whole family can play.

It'd be a hell of a laugh, and get the message across too...

[bogan]

Christmas itself. It's all about giving (not taking).
...


Go with the christmas theme, have biker everywhere go to ACC/National offices etc, and deliver the customary lump of coal, as they have been very naughty. One coal per biker, get other groups into it as well, would make a good media story I reckon.

[Mom]

No newspapers on the 25th

I think we also want it to be something that gives bikers themselves a buzz. A fell good factor over Xmas, when otherwise disillusionment and -its-too-hardedness- may set in

I had in mind organising a park in/ride in back at the museum in Auckland. My thoughts were that we could all meet at points at the end of the motorways and have seperate mass rides converging in one spot. My apologies for not doing something this past weekend, I have been distracted somewhat by what happened. I cant do anything next weekend Maha has his annual coast to coast on Saturday and I have organised a street party here to lay some ghosts of broken community to rest after the debacle that is our lives at the moment.

It would mean that someone would have to step up and lead up the group at the top of the North Western and the bottom of the Southern and time it so we all start converging at the same time. We will take the North. Bring a picnic and lets have lunch on the grass below the warmemorial, a bit if Xmas biker fellowship if you will and if someone wants to stand up and saya few words all the better.

What do you say to that?

[Ixion]

Go with the christmas theme, have biker everywhere go to ACC/National offices etc, and deliver the customary lump of coal, as they have been very naughty. One coal per biker, get other groups into it as well, would make a good media story I reckon.

No good at the weekend, nobody there

[bogan]

No good at the weekend, nobody there

who said weekend? can do whenever is best for numbers/media impact

[Ixion]

Not easy for people to get time off work at this time of year.

And evening has the same issue - no-one there to see the lump of coal.

[bogan]

Not easy for people to get time off work at this time of year.

And evening has the same issue - no-one there to see the lump of coal.

nobody sees santa either though, but they find his gifts in the morn;)

[flyingcrocodile46]

You really want to give something and show a real community face for bikers.

Put your money where your mouths are and do something meaningful (with massive impact and respect for bikers). Show everyone that you are not just being self serving debt dodgers. Make a political statement.

I believe it is likely to be more damaging to the Goverment if it is the govt that are portrayed as the bad guys rather than just one delinquent sacrificial minister.

One idea that I can think of that is very relevant and would really make the Govt look bad in the public eye without necessarily compromising our position. Make an official press release to state the main reasons (and there are soooo many to choose from) why you believe The Govt are missleading everyone and that Smith is a lying sack of shit. Take the opportunity to table some of the many statistical anomalies that have been discussed here and at other forums. Present them as damning evidence where ever Smiths own figures and statements are in conflict with the govt's own data and that of other credible agencies. Also leverage ACC's $.5 billion gain over investment return forecasts).

Make a statement that it isn't just about bikers simply looking to duck their fair share (with 'no fault' emphasis). Suggest that there is no way that the Govt is going to unjustifiably shaft EVERYONE with thousand$ of extra levies for each person while simultaneously and ruthlessly slashing payment cover for essential support services such as counseling for rape victims

Say that we would sooner set up and maintain a trust fund to pay for those services where declined by ACC. I'm guessing but I doubt it would be a third of what they want out of us collectively.

Then kick back, have a nice holiday period while planning a Jan/Feb Demonstration

Anyhoo that is just one thought. Doubtless there are some Einsteins out there that have many much more appealing ideas.

[davereid]

Not easy for people to get time off work at this time of year.

And evening has the same issue - no-one there to see the lump of coal.


Sacks of coal then, emptied all over the doorway. Mixed with diesel and fertiliser... oops wrong forum ;-)

[Pixie]

It's all gone a bit quiet.

That's not necessarily a bad thing (it's very interesting that Mr Smith refuses to make ANY comment)



Be veeeewy quiet...the bikers will go away.....

[retro asian]

What about a beach party?

Bikers go to selected popular beaches in each region.
Auckland/Northshore could go to Long bay for example.

Then have some fun things to do, like a sausage sizzle...tug o war...
...twister (Honda riders would enjoy this)... invite the public to participate.


It will be hot, so bikinis and boardies are compulsory wearing underneath our leathers.

<img src="http://www.hollywoodteenmovies.com/BeachBlanketGallery2.jpg">

<img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_R4Q_SHS91gs/SH11Q9hbc2I/AAAAAAAABgc/MwJm0mVFeZ4/s320/frankie1.jpg">

<img src="http://www.moviesforguys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/ratzandmice.jpg">

[taff1954]

......, could be a Christmas card, ....

A little off the wall, perhaps, but... print, fold, deliver to your local MP's office. Heaps. One at a time, by motorcycle.

[davereid]

That rocks mate... emailing my MP now for an appointment to deliver it.

Now who knows Mr. Judges home address ? I'd like to deliver him one too.

[NONONO]

A little off the wall, perhaps, but... print, fold, deliver to your local MP's office. Heaps. One at a time, by motorcycle.

Is it just the drugs or is Santa upside down?
Oh, wait...Nah,
Please send folding instructions

[scissorhands]

What about a beach party?

Bikers go to selected popular beaches in each region.
Auckland/Northshore could go to Long bay for example.

Then have some fun things to do, like a sausage sizzle...tug o war...
...twister (Honda riders would enjoy this)... invite the public to participate.


It will be hot, so bikinis and boardies are compulsory wearing underneath our leathers.

<img src="http://www.hollywoodteenmovies.com/BeachBlanketGallery2.jpg">

<img src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_R4Q_SHS91gs/SH11Q9hbc2I/AAAAAAAABgc/MwJm0mVFeZ4/s320/frankie1.jpg">

<img src="http://www.moviesforguys.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/ratzandmice.jpg">

Ride the Wild Surf
Beach Blanket Bingo
How to Stuff A Wild bikini

wtf? cant believe others like those movies too? kinda batmanish

[Mom]

The bullshit levy increases proposed for bikers have given the impetus for this campaign. I personally believe this is far more than the levies. While us bikers have managed to keep this in the media eye so far, we are not alone and we have to harness the other support out there. This is far past the levies as far as I am concerned. They are attempting to use us as a smoke screen here. I am not fooled for a moment, though I fear there are many out there that are.

I am against levy increases that are supported by complete lies. I am against the slow but steady erosion of the Woodhouse Principles. I want to get out there and let people know that this is bigger than the bikers! We have good support so far, I am not about to let that support lie.

Yes this is about levies, but it is also about the bigger picture. We can not cannonise this issue to the bikers against unfair levy hikes.

I am thankful that I am a biker that can also look past my increased levies, my mission is to attempt to let other people know about what is happening.

[scissorhands]

The bullshit levy increases proposed for bikers have given the impetus for this campaign. I personally believe this is far more than the levies. While us bikers have managed to keep this in the media eye so far, we are not alone and we have to harness the other support out there. This is far past the levies as far as I am concerned. They are attempting to use us as a smoke screen here. I am not fooled for a moment, though I fear there are many out there that are.

I am against levy increases that are supported by complete lies. I am against the slow but steady erosion of the Woodhouse Principles. I want to get out there and let people know that this is bigger than the bikers! We have good support so far, I am not about to let that support lie.

Yes this is about levies, but it is also about the bigger picture. We can not cannonise this issue to the bikers against unfair levy hikes.

I am thankful that I am a biker that can also look past my increased levies, my mission is to attempt to let other people know about what is happening.



I think the movement has very good momentum. I think the potential to garner support from other groups is huge considering how ACC affects all new zealanders.

I think to finally accept a reduced levy increase, even if its a negligible increase, and then shut up and let everyone else be burdened by the privatisation of ACC, would be a shame considering our strong position, and association with other groups. Rape Victim Support and Bikers at Orakei worked well for both parties.

[caseye]

The Christmas card idea with a twist. Print heaps of em.Make a date and have a group of bikers with petitions etc set up on top of No! tree hill.
Tell every biker( THIS TIME, lets advertise the date and our intention for all bikers to see so there is no excuse for complancy)
that we can to ride up there to receive their Christmas card for a National MP, an ACC executive or any of the other political parties who are supporting National.
Give them a specific address a name to ask for and send em on thier way. This could take all day so have a few bikers ready to take over on the hill.
We could do this in every Major town and city in NZ with out stresing all of our motorcyclists.
The Media wouldn't know which way to turn, which address to go to and the generral public would see us going about our intended protest without disturbing them while taking a message to the Govt that we are standing in the front of the line for them too.
The Message needs to be clear, we are bikers,we are no longer angry, we are enlightened, the Govt started with us thinking we'd be easy beats and the general public wouldn't care.
WRONG.
Let them try to end it with just us NOW!
Take the publics raised levy charges with us, take the truckies increased levies with us, let them know we feel for them and will fight for them too.
Just an idea.

[mikeey01]

I love the xmas card idea!
This should be extended out to...

- The local ACC offices
- The local AA office/s
- Any National party function / meeting / office.

Xmas card delivery days on the bike, hell I love the idea :)

mm.. thinking If everyone prints out a hand full and sends them off, it'd be interesting at the receivers end to the quantity.


Perhaps a media friendly event.... a ride and visit to a local childrens hospital (star ship etc)

[jeffs]

Every ones having there own Santa Parades. You know, celebrate the good will of Christmas.

How about the BIG one. ( well for Auckland )

A Queen St ride.

We keep avoiding the Auckland heart, well now is the time.

Lets do our own ACC-Santa Parade.

It will not be full of Christmas shoppers. They go to the Malls.

Theme .

"ACC stole our Christmas."

Call it the "SantAAC Parade" , The NZ Santa who comes and takes away your toys .
What will get hit,

Public transport, and tourists.

Tell the world that ACC are trying to hurt the NZ Clean Green image by putting more un-emission tested cars on the road.

The only country in the "west" that has no emissions law and they want more cars.

[NONONO]

Every ones having there own Santa Parades. You know, celebrate the good will of Christmas.

How about the BIG one. ( well for Auckland )

A Queen St ride.

We keep avoiding the Auckland heart, well now is the time.

Lets do our own ACC-Santa Parade.

It will not be full of Christmas shoppers. They go to the Malls.

Theme .

"ACC stole our Christmas."

Call it the "SantAAC Parade" , The NZ Santa who comes and takes away your toys .
What will get hit,

Public transport, and tourists.

Tell the world that ACC are trying to hurt the NZ Clean Green image by putting more un-emission tested cars on the road.

The only country in the "west" that has no emissions law and they want more cars.

Agree, this is my choice.

[Hanne]

^^ But not just bikers. Invite hearing and sexual assault campaigners and other groups who are pissed off too.

[jeffs]

Just to add to SantAAC suggestion.

If we do Queen St, get every bike to bring along a tin of food. Then end the ride by stopping at the Auckland City mission and handing over the food.

It wont cost much, and will show we have a heart.

And if we are riding past, why not give a small token to charity :) It is Christmas. ( well at least for non-bikers ).

you could repeat this in all cities.
Even if we only get 300 bikes, that's a lot of food, a lot of profile and Queen Street is a nice wide road with easy access from all directions.

Meet up at Upper Queen St, Down Queen St, to the very end ( through the bus only way ( bikes are allowed in bus lanes in Auckland Cilty ). Left into Quay St, Up Hobson St, Remembering to Stop out side of TVNZ and say hello ( very loudly ) .

Then on to the mission to handover our food.

Just a suggestion. But not the 20th please. ( there will be a few bikers on a track day )

[caseye]

Sounds like a good plan, we could of course do both which would give us options for early next year and the end of this one.
The food and the Mission is a great idea and something we'd do anyway if it'd been suggested.LOL Not the 20th Noted.

[PhantasmNZ]

I agree - the mission thing is something I was keen on (thanks Mully!) - but the dates I was thinking earlier clashed with the toy run (which I also missed cos of a bloody flat).

Timing is hard - most of my weekends on the leadup to Xmas are taken up - and I'm very willing to give up my time - we may see a worse turn out as people are dragged xmas shopping or to family parties etc compared to the last AKL ride.

I also like the multiple angles of attack idea (which was part of what I was hoping to organise for earlier in Dec) - I'm happy to be involved in organising the NW route if the dates work out. (Mully is local too - but I think he may be otherwise engaged just prior to xmas)

So combining the ideas...... multiple angles of attack on all motorways (makes it easier to attend the start points) to the CMJ, ride through Queen St (best direction to be worked out), ending up with a big park-up @ the museum. Here we can deliver the food to a rep from the mission (if they are happy to be associated with us).

If we can rally the other ACC hit groups @ the museum too we'd have a good potential show of solidarity.

[caseye]

"If we can rally the other ACC hit groups @ the museum too we'd have a good potential show of solidarity".

Another damn fine idea. It's coming together.

[jeffs]

The last few bike outings have got no TV coverage( or like Christchurch, so little is hurts ).

If you loop around as I suggested, it will put you right outside of TVNZ.

Hopefully they can not ignore loads of bikers stopping at their front door to say hello.
TV people like nothing better that to be part of their own news.

Then on to the Mission ( 200m up the road ) , that way you can had over the food direct.