Les just rolled over

[dpex]

The whole response to Nix Myth from Les Mason and the dude from Ulysses wants to make me puke.

We all knew the game-plan was for ACC to come out proclaiming a huge increase then have Aunty Nikki make us all feel good with a 'significant' reduction.

And what happened? Les Mason and the dude from Ulysses got in the media asserting it was a good outcome and just goes to show how our voices were heard.

Jesus! But what planet are you guys on? We got shafted, as did all other registered road users and employees.

Did any beneficiary get a direct increase? Any superannuant? Any tourist? Did any other road-user, or off-road user get clouted?

The answer is a resounding NO!

Did Tricky Nikki come out and confirm that ACC is now an insurance company? NO!

Did he confirm that in line with all insurance companies, non-claimants would get a no-claims bonus? NO

We got shafted and our so-called representatives just rolled over and took it up the arse.

Les, I didn't ride all the way to Welly, and/or spend the time and money I have spent on fighting the increases just to have the likes of you roll over like a satisfied doormat.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Str8 Jacket]

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[knuckles24]

WELL SAID DPEX, i believe in what you are saying, i thought the whole idea of protesting and organising was for a 0% increase and we got shafted big time. the dishonorable nick smith has come out looking like he has listened to all the bikers and submissions, what a load of BULLSHIT, nick smith i hope you rot in hell. :devil2:

[Squiggles]

christ, lets all start threads rather than reading the other one eh? Nobody has accepted the increase...

[Hopeful Bastard]

Fuck me.. You are a stuck up cunt aint ya? Next time, How about you go and take the role of Media Communications.. See how you do it?

All i can say is Well done Les and Anyone else that was in the Media spotlight. You done me, And most likely everyone else, Proud! I congratulate you for all the hard work you guys done. Well done! :first::first:

O.P.. go find something else to complain about. No. We are not happy about the rises.. Just be thankful that your 1000cc beast or w/e it is you are running around on isnt gonna cost ya $900 a year

[davereid]

Fuck me.. You are a stuck up cunt aint ya? Next time, How about you go and take the role of Media Communications.. See how you do it?

All i can say is Well done Les and Anyone else that was in the Media spotlight. You done me, And most likely everyone else, Proud! I congratulate you for all the hard work you guys done. Well done! :first::first:

O.P.. go find something else to complain about


I think Les and BRONZ did a great job, and we have got a much better outcome than we could have anticipated at the begining.

But I think ACC have been reading our own posts.

They now know that sticking on $175 each and every year will get them to the same place in just 3 1/2 years, with no protests, just grumpy compliance.

They can get fucked, I'm not paying. Its very easy for a biker to avoid checkpoints and random stops and I don't get speeding tickets so they will have to catch me.

With 3 bikes to register, my break-even is a ticket every 6 weeks.

[Jizah]

With 3 bikes to register, my break-even is a ticket every 6 weeks.

That's if they don't raise the ticket price. Speaking of which, how long would the process of trying to do that actually take?

[Headbanger]

They can get fucked, I'm not paying. Its very easy for a biker to avoid checkpoints and random stops and I don't get speeding tickets so they will have to catch me.


I'm using the money I save by not paying...to buy a faster bike.

Fuckers are going to have to keep the helicopter on standby if they are going to have a chance.

[Pussy]

Dpex... go fuck yourself

Les (Ixion)... much appreciation for your fine efforts!

[Qkkid]

Just chuck ya rego on hold for 6 months and bingo theres ya savings.
Ixion has done a fine job i feel.

[Ixion]

The whole response to Nix Myth from Les Mason and the dude from Ulysses wants to make me puke.

We all knew the game-plan was for ACC to come out proclaiming a huge increase then have Aunty Nikki make us all feel good with a 'significant' reduction.

And what happened? Les Mason and the dude from Ulysses got in the media asserting it was a good outcome and just goes to show how our voices were heard.

Jesus! But what planet are you guys on? We got shafted, as did all other registered road users and employees.

Did any beneficiary get a direct increase? Any superannuant? Any tourist? Did any other road-user, or off-road user get clouted?

The answer is a resounding NO!

Did Tricky Nikki come out and confirm that ACC is now an insurance company? NO!

Did he confirm that in line with all insurance companies, non-claimants would get a no-claims bonus? NO

We got shafted and our so-called representatives just rolled over and took it up the arse.

Les, I didn't ride all the way to Welly, and/or spend the time and money I have spent on fighting the increases just to have the likes of you roll over like a satisfied doormat.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Actually, dude, it wasn't all about you.

[Headbanger]

Dpex... go fuck yourself

Les (Ixion)... much appreciation for your fine efforts!

I second that.

Even if Les said fuck the lot of you and walked away he would still be deserving of massive respect for what has been done.

[Okey Dokey]

I thought Les did a very good job on checkpoint on radio NZ National tonight. Didn't say bikers were happy- and didn't rule out further agitation once BRONZ had discussed the announcement. Thanks again Les.

[vstrom]

bullshit it was a good outcome ,we were never going to get a zero increase,its there next move that needs to be watched ,the message must have got though to some of the polys , opinions are like arseholes everyones got one

[slofox]

If ANYONE expected to get NO increase, then they live in cloud-cuckoo land...

No matter how much protest there was, some increase was inevitable. Once the drones at ACC had made up their minds, we had no show at all of zero increase...get real here people...

[James Deuce]

I second that.

Even if Les said fuck the lot of you and walked away he would still be deserving of massive respect for what has been done.

I'll third that. Everyone who put in a massive effort deserves respect for rising above the normal apathy that is the usual response to absurd decisions at Government level. I don't think BRONZ and Ukysses (Freudian slip) made the right decision though, and I think people should be allowed to hold that view, for obvious reasons.

[Squiggles]

No matter how much protest there was, some increase was inevitable. Once the drones at ACC had made up their minds, we had no show at all of zero increase...get real here people...

Perhaps inevitable, but now its been culled down we cant argue that its not deserved and not fair and expect joe bloggs to get in behind... Thinking cap time

[Headbanger]

If ANYONE expected to get NO increase, then they live in cloud-cuckoo land...

No matter how much protest there was, some increase was inevitable. Once the drones at ACC had made up their minds, we had no show at all of zero increase...get real here people...

I disagree, It is up to us to allow them, If we as a people went to war against these bastards they would back down completely.

Lets see what they have to say when the cities are on fire.






And if anyone from the Herald reads that, Its a massive exaggeration to make a point.





Maybe.

[James Deuce]

Perhaps inevitable, but now its been culled down we cant argue that its not deserved and not fair and expect joe bloggs to get in behind... Thinking cap time
Your support base just shrank to its normal 12 people and a dog.

[NighthawkNZ]

Perhaps inevitable, but now its been culled down we cant argue that its not deserved and not fair and expect joe bloggs to get in behind... Thinking cap time

never was about the money... it was about the principles of ACC why and how it was setup by Sir Owen Woodhouse

[dipshit]

The whole response to Nix Myth from Les Mason and the dude from Ulysses wants to make me puke.


blah blah... whinge whinge... wank wank... moan, dribble, cry....

[AllanB]

If I owned Kiwibiker I would promptly freeze all ACC related posts until people had 24-48 hours to calm down and actually think clearly about the subject.

Do you really think that the increase would have been restricted to a max of $174 per annum if Les and the thousands of others who wrote and rode just sat at home and carried on presuming all would be OK?

My family and I are very pleased I only have to give up one cup of coffee or a can of V a week to be able to continue to afford my life's passion.

Government got the message very clearly. Now is the time to get smart and start working the politics of the entire often unfair ACC system. It will be a long campaign.

Many thanks to everybody involved.

That's far to serious a post from me. I have a reputation to uphold, I'm off to take the piss out of some other thread now :clap:

[Maha]

So Les Mason only speaks for all of when he says things the things we wanna hear?

[Squiggles]

never was about the money... it was about the principles of ACC why and how it was setup by Sir Owen Woodhouse

I agree...

[Ixion]

I disagree. I think that the support base is unaffected. How many people do you suppose supported us because they thought bikers shouldn't pay so much ? Versus how many supported us because they wondered "Yes - who's next ? Maybe me ? "

We will now have lost the support of the first group. Absolutely nothing we can do about that. I doubt it was very large , or useful, in the first place. But the support from the second group is unaffected . Perhaps enhanced.

The public see the reductions as a backdown by the government . Sure, we all would have liked no increase at all. In fact, I'd like ACC to pay me for riding. Neither of those were ever going to happen. Anyone who supposed that a government would change its policy that much in a few weeks has no comprehension of how the real world works. But in the public mind they will see that ACC wanted bikers to pay $750. And now Nick Smith has said, "No, no, they don't". So the people wondering "Is it me next" may be even more inclined to look toward us for leadership.

[Ixion]

I agree...

As do most of us (I wish I could say all). And that has been the message from the start (well, almost the start).

And that is unchanged.

Would those complaining about being sold out, I wonder, have happily accepted a nil increase and gone home and ignored the rest of what is happening with ACC ?

[James Deuce]

I think you're overstating the support base more than a little. Most non-motorcyclists really didn't give it much thought and will go back to that blissfully unaware state while ACC support is removed piecemeal.

It was never about levies for me in the first place and the momentum of the 'Who's Next" thrust is blunted by the fact "bikers" bailed the moment the Government graciously decreased the levies.

[Hitcher]

So Les Mason only speaks for all of when he says things the things we wanna hear?

Les and all of the organisers, activists, submitters and correspondents are to be commended. The significance of this backdown by the Government should not be underestimated. I am certain that ACC saw bikers as a disorganised, incoherent, factional, tribal rabble. We normally are. But thanks to extraordinary dedication by a committed few, we were heard and what was said made a difference.

I guess we can now return to our usual state of being a disorganised, incoherent, factional, tribal rabble. It was fun and strangely empowering being something different for a while.

[NighthawkNZ]

So the people wondering "Is it me next" may be even more inclined to look toward us for leadership.

That is where we must support other groups as well... help them organise protests, and if you continue to be the speaker, remember that its not just about bikes, but who is next start quoting the Woodhouse principle... keep pushing ACC is not an Insurance etc

No increase is required by any group...

[Ixion]

I think you're overstating the support base more than a little. Most non-motorcyclists really didn't give it much thought and will go back to that blissfully unaware state while ACC support is removed piecemeal.

It was never about levies for me in the first place and the momentum of the 'Who's Next" thrust is blunted by the fact "bikers" bailed the moment the Government graciously decreased the levies.

So who has bailed? I'd suggest only those who DID think it was only about the number of dollars ?

[rob 0]

we definatly need another protest, and a big one at that, with every body there

there is no way that general bike rider population thinks that this is OK

its just more tactics from nick,

hees "uping" the fight , and a few heer thing that they will give in, well let them fold,

well there is more strength at the moment than ever and the next protest will prove that we as individuals wont take the B/S that nick likes handing out

to all the weak individuals that have given in , you have said your bit, now turn off your computer and go riding, your fight is over

but if and when the rest of us carry this to a good result remember that you bloused out of the battle at an early time, and we all know that !!

[Paul in NZ]

Attack them they way they attack us....

Next target is the stratification according to CC rating, its just plain stupid. I mean on this thinking shouldn't vehicles with 7 seats pay more because when they crash the cost is higher, SUV's are dangerous too etc etc Attack that next will piss off large chunks of the community if they think extra raises are coming their way.

Simple power to weight ratio or RAC ratings across every vehicle if they must have 'classes'??

[James Deuce]

So who has bailed? I'd suggest only those who DID think it was only about the number of dollars ?

Public perception is easily swayed.

[Katman]

Perhaps inevitable, but now its been culled down we cant argue that its not deserved and not fair and expect joe bloggs to get in behind... Thinking cap time

Perhaps now it's time to make that concerted effort to clean up our own back-yard.

[Ixion]

Yes. And there is $3 million up for grabs to help fund that . OK, so a logical person doesn't need to be persuaded not to fall off, but not everyone is logical.

I've have said before, and will say again. The greatest weapon that the ACC have against us is that far too many riders fall off their bikes.

[James Deuce]

The next focus needs to be to prevent ACC wasting that money on billboards and television adverts. Rider training needs to be accessible and fun.

[Ixion]

The next focus needs to be to prevent ACC wasting that money on billboards and television adverts. Rider training needs to be accessible and fun.

The point has already been made to the Minister that most of the money currently spent is wasted because it is spend on ideas and schemes that NON motorcyclists think would be "a good idea" - based on the perception that a motorcycle is a two wheeled car.

However, billboards and TV ads may be useful for the non-motorcycling public - as in "Try opening your eyes and looking".

[Katman]

I've have said before, and will say again. The greatest weapon that the ACC have against us is that far too many riders fall off their bikes.

That's a keeper. :niceone:

[knuckles24]

it seems to me that a lot of you have given up, it was always going to be $174 from the beginning, we have the facts that back us up as far as saying there should be no increase at all, but yet all i hear is that nick smith has listened to us (WHAT A CROCK OF SHIT). We have B.R.O.N.Z and Ullyses who are there for the general biker, don't get me wrong les you have done a good job but you are not the only one who has organised protests rides. I organised a protest for the fact it should be a 0% increase not $175 for this year and it will keep going up every year until they have wiped us off the road altogether, i agree that rider safety is a good thing but that shouldn't be the bonus prize with this increase. I am not the only one who feels this way. Most sectors of the community have suffered but i don't see them giving up and we shouldn't either.

[James Deuce]

However, billboards and TV ads may be useful for the non-motorcycling public - as in "Try opening your eyes and looking".
Doesn't work. They need training too.

[duckonin]

Yep the tidal wave is on a roll, we now know how much we have to pay for our bikes plus almost another $200 roundabout out of your wages for the ACC per year, yep it is a bankers Govt, Keys has the midas smile, the slimy little cunt ...Remember the pain today all and next time you go to the polls, down with Keys and his hench men, they did this all back in 1999 yet the majority voted them back in..:Oi:

To all those that spoke for motorcyclists thank you !!:niceone

In 1999 there was a lot of familys that headed to Aus I can see it coming again, for I can also see not much money left as disposable income from my wages as most is going to help keep this Govt's pockets bulgeing...Inflation shall move again..

[paddy]

. . .and we have got a much better outcome than we could have anticipated. . .


. . .Les Mason and the dude from Ulysses got in the media asserting it was a good outcome and just goes to show how our voices were heard.

I'm confused. I didn't realise that we had "an outcome". I thought I just read on Yahoo that BRONZ was planning further protests and that the focus was shifting.

I was only passing through so maybe I just didn't really read it carefully enough. (Which is entirely possible my mind was elsewhere.)

[peasea]

Les and all of the organisers, activists, submitters and correspondents are to be commended. The significance of this backdown by the Government should not be underestimated. I am certain that ACC saw bikers as a disorganised, incoherent, factional, tribal rabble. We normally are. But thanks to extraordinary dedication by a committed few, we were heard and what was said made a difference.

The wee jury in my head is still out on that one. I actually think what we got was what they intended from the start etc etc. Yes, the organisers, protesters et al need a pat on the back for their efforts but NO increase would have been the biggie.

We didn't get the desired result and Nick Smith still walks the land to further decimate our earnings at a later date. The way I see it ACC and the Govt took a potshot at us, missed the head got the leg and have gone home to reload.

They're up to something way bigger than mere motorcycle levies.

Give it time, give it time.

[dpex]

I think you're overstating the support base more than a little. Most non-motorcyclists really didn't give it much thought and will go back to that blissfully unaware state while ACC support is removed piecemeal.

It was never about levies for me in the first place and the momentum of the 'Who's Next" thrust is blunted by the fact "bikers" bailed the moment the Government graciously decreased the levies.

Thanks, JD. That is EXACTLY the point. It's like Gengis Khan promising to rape only a third of our women, as opposed to the lot....Just so long as we're nice little boys and girls and roll over for the lesser hit.

Les had zip to lose by asserting, 'NOT GOOD ENOUGH!' and asserting, 'WE'LL BE BACK!'

[twotyred]

I'm surprised to see people use the term "backdown"... this is an "advance to prepared positions" by National,nothing less.

[jtzzr]

Les (Ixion) had the nuts to stand up and push our point , much more than I did , did you stand up and push our point Dpex, did you put your name to anything?

I`m not knocking ya bro , but shouldn`t this be a combined effort .

Instead of the usual , kick someone who did`nt do exactly what I wanted, but to how about" STOP" the fuckers from doing it again.

And stop it from happening again in 3yrs.

[dpex]

Those who pay no ACC represent 50% of the population.

That's the issue!

Get it yet?

It's not about bikers, or cagers, or truckers, or employees, who pay, and pay, and fucking pay. It's about all those who don't pay.

When I asked him about the 'other' 50% of non-direct ACC payers, Smith had the temerity to tell me that their costs against ACC came out of the 'general' account.

So, not only are those who earn paying ACC on their income, their cars, their bikes, et al. Now we learn that a large lump of their taxes are being used to support a massive, 50% claimant-base, who pay nothing!

Don't you all get it yet?

The issue is NOT about ACC increases. It's about targeted levies.

Why should a dole-bludger, driving an unregistered vehicle (on account of he can't be bothered registering and, further he thinks, 'Hey, who cares, they can just add it to my fines) get off Scot-free?

Why should an unemployed teen who gets smashed up in a rugby game get off Scot-free?

Why should an old flogg get $10k worth of hip replacement, having fallen over in the shower...and let's presume he was sober, just to be nice.:--)) And pay nothing toward that cost.

Don't you get it?

It's about some level of equality, where everybody pays a bit.

And there's only one way that can be achieved. A slight increase in GST to pay ALL ACC costs.

But hey, don't let reason get in the way of you all feeling fulfilled now that Nikki has done what he set out to do well before the Waste-Of-Time-Oi

[Dadpole]

I guess we can now return to our usual state of being a disorganised, incoherent, factional, tribal rabble. It was fun and strangely empowering being something different for a while.

That would bring a smile to the 'orrible face of the Nixter.
The only way to avoid a repeat of this whole saga next year is to keep on with the "whos next" message. I am still supporting BRONZ in their efforts and making an effort to run the whole ACC privatisation issue with every Joe Public who will listen.
Every new person is a potential ally.

[Dadpole]

That 50% includes children too. Make the little sods pay their own way.

[oldrider]

Hey, everybody did good work, this is only one phase of a very big war!

WW2, remember Dunkirk? Well this our Dunkirk, the result was foreseen and inevitable!

The base line objective of the Government and the ACC (driven by the AA) has only just been achieved! There is a lot more to come in my honest opinion.

All we need to do is regroup, think about what the real war is about, strengthen our resolve to defeat it and then work out a strategy!

Anyone who thinks this will be quick and easy better think again, it will be a long war!

I have still got confidence in the people who stood up and represented us, they too had to live with some hope that it may have just been about the money!

Well it bloody well isn't, it's about getting rid of motorcycles from our roads altogether and about replacing ACC with private accident insurance!

Ripping and pulling at each other is about as affective as shooting pool with a piece of rope, we must stand united for a very long time!

I suggest we rally round the current leaders and support them in preparation for the next phase but above all, stay together on this!

[CookMySock]

Well he got paid off didn't he.. what did you think would happen?

Steve

[twotyred]

Well he got paid off didn't he.. what did you think would happen?

Steve

Please explain...

[Conquiztador]

I side with dpex but I support Ixion. Confused? Let me try to explain:

I got peed off. "Fuck em" I was thinking. So I did the ride. And a HB one. And working on a disruptive one. I hate eating shit even with a silver spoon.

Ixion did heaps of work and got us this far. But the time for nice talk is over. Look where it got us: Where they always wanted us.

And re the standpoints: http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/bikers-force-backdown-acc-levies-3250326/video

I hope that TV1 cut out all the harsh words, because if this is what Ulysses and BRONZ think I am not agreeing. And never will. This was a roll over. Sad.

[skinman]

your a stirrer:clap:

[skinman]

that was for DB

[P38]

Dpex... go fuck yourself

Les (Ixion)... much appreciation for your fine efforts!

Ditto for me too Pussy.

Good on ya Les! :niceone:

Your a legend for standing up and being counted.



Dpex lighten up!... its not the perfect outcome but it's a start.

We may have won a small victory here but we haven't won the war yet.

Keep up the protests and more ground will be won.

[candor]

Keep up the protests and more ground will be won.

Yes if the Brethran can fund the Nats, Labour can surely fund KB?!

[Voltaire]

Well he got paid off didn't he.. what did you think would happen?

Steve

Is that the best you could 'whip' up....? stick a flake in it.

[wingrider]

Hey, everybody did good work, this is only one phase of a very big war!

WW2, remember Dunkirk? Well this our Dunkirk, the result was foreseen and inevitable!

The base line objective of the Government and the ACC (driven by the AA) has only just been achieved! There is a lot more to come in my honest opinion.

All we need to do is regroup, think about what the real war is about, strengthen our resolve to defeat it and then work out a strategy!

Anyone who thinks this will be quick and easy better think again, it will be a long war!

I have still got confidence in the people who stood up and represented us, they too had to live with some hope that it may have just been about the money!

Well it bloody well isn't, it's about getting rid of motorcycles from our roads altogether and about replacing ACC with private accident insurance!

Ripping and pulling at each other is about as affective as shooting pool with a piece of rope, we must stand united for a very long time!

I suggest we rally round the current leaders and support them in preparation for the next phase but above all, stay together on this!

Very well said Sir.

It took almost 12 months for national and their appointed ACC Board to come up with their Dunkirk.
They had the battle won and the corks were popin before they went to press.

What they didnt expect was for us to come out of the trenches, not as the beaten enemy but as the most determened force that they ever faced.

All they have done though is offer a truce before they would be forced into defeat. But what would have been our cost?

But defeat them we will. Provided we all continue to stand together.

I applaude those that took on the roles of our generals and led us into battle. They achieved more by way of organization and control in 2 weeks than anything else i have seen.

We have won a small battle but the war has only just begun.
And if we desert our leaders now we will loose, BIG TIME.

The line in the sand has been drawn. lets not stand on one side and just shout. Lets cross over and gather those that are now seeing our side of this argument and lets push the lying bastards back to a point where they will never get even close to the line ever again. Regardless of whatever colour they wear.

[veny]

That's the spirit!
http://tinyurl.com/dcfbjc

[Skyryder]

The political reality is that politicians make the laws and Smith always said that the ACC levies were going to rise. Whether we believe in the justification is not the issue. Most of us know that the figures Smith used were bullshit and for his purposes. A rise was inevitable. Accepting this reality is not the same as accepting the rise. The two are different. Smith has already come out and blamed us for the increased car levies. Others on here have noted this and raised some concerns about it. Politicians do not make ‘sound bites’ without an ulterior motive but I suspect that Smith’s comments may have been a slip of the tongue and he inadvertently let the cat out of the bag. Villify us and then proceed to other victims. But I digress

All Smith has done is made a tactical retreat after gaining a limited objective. He has more ideas on ACC. The biker community needs to reassess it’s commitment and if so how to proceed from here.

When ever I get myself in a ‘bun fight’ I ask myself two questions. Am I right and Can I win?. I think most of us would agree too the first, in that the rises are not as necessary as Smith has stated. The second will not happen under National. Perhaps a bit more honesty on Smith’s part, and not these political games he has been plying with us, would have helped his cause to a greater degree, but no, Smith could not resist using us as a political football and that is exactly what he has done and his remarks on the cage price rise is further indication that he has more in store for us. So for those of you who think this is over think again. I have posted my doubts on the bikers long term commitment of this issue and the statements by the Ulysses President suggest that it does not.

I think the biker community needs to find this out before proceeding further.



Skyryder

[StoneY]

Fuck me.. You are a stuck up cunt aint ya? Next time, How about you go and take the role of Media Communications.. See how you do it?



No, he aint

I for one actualy agree with him (this time)

I turned down 3 radio intervies tonight as Les was 'dealing with it'

Fucked if I agreed to this increase'

I AM NOT FUCKIN HAPPY

[slofox]

... it was about the principles of ACC why and how it was setup by Sir Owen Woodhouse

This, I agree with. This battle is still live - in fact is just beginning.

Frankly, I doubt we can ever win it with National in power. It'll take a change of government to do it - unless the Nats get really scared of public reaction to the fundamental changes they are making to ACC. Which is where we can have some influence. There is plenty of political opposition out there as well if we want to tap into that.

[Hawk]

I don't think Les did roll over remember the War ends 2011 after the election. Les (and us) has just won a battle in that war. the govt did back down some on want was originally quoted as the increase. At very least we should thank him and others for being the front person.

Les, regroup and circle those wagons as we still have a year and half to go

[avgas]

never was about the money... it was about the principles of ACC why and how it was setup by Sir Owen Woodhouse
Sound familiar.....
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/media/Mother_Russia_Statue.jpg

[avgas]

The Ulysses guy......anyone else notice the smile?

[Pussy]

The Ulysses guy......anyone else notice the smile?

I noticed the brown nose......

[avgas]

Public perception is easily swayed.
Especially if THEY have to pay for our mistakes.
Good luck in getting car drivers support now that they have been told THEY have to pay more due to US not wanting to.
It was a very good power play on Nix part. Cunny Funt

[avgas]

Next target is the stratification according to CC rating, its just plain stupid. I mean on this thinking shouldn't vehicles with 7 seats pay more because when they crash the cost is higher, SUV's are dangerous too etc etc Attack that next will piss off large chunks of the community if they think extra raises are coming their way.
I would not recommend this - in a country with an aging population and resurgence of 'born-again' bikers.
Also the comparo between bikes and cars will lose us support - we need car drivers to feel angry about the increases as well, and workers. On our own we would get fucked faster than "tunnellers-being-watched-by-OSH"

[Usarka]

I mean on this thinking shouldn't vehicles with 7 seats pay more because when they crash the cost is higher, SUV's are dangerous too etc etc

No ACC's logic is that SUV's would be fine. If you crash one you're normally ok - if you take out a biker it's his fault for riding a vulnerable vehicle.

[Pussy]

The Ulysses guy......anyone else notice the smile?

To say that I am disappointed in Peter Mac would be an understatement.

[davereid]

Fucked if I agreed to this increase' I AM NOT FUCKIN HAPPY

Nor am I. I wont be happy until all motorists pay the same, and ideally the ERC component is funded from income tax.

But this has to grow beyond being a "biker" battle, or as Ix correctly points out it will be seen by Joe Public as us bleating about the cost of our toys.

The fight has to continue, but we have to be supporting others, not leading the charge.

[Bald Eagle]

The fight has to continue, but we have to be supporting others, not leading the charge.

We are leading already and need to continue to do so.

[Mom]

Peter MacIntosh may kiss my arse!

[Pussy]

Peter MacIntosh may kiss my arse!

You trying to reward him, Mom?? :)

[Mom]

You trying to reward him, Mom?? :)

:lol: Perhaps I should have said he can kiss Les' arse.

[Pussy]

Peter MacIntosh may kiss my arse!

Actually.... he probably doesn't have time, he's too busy kissing Nix Myth's arse.....

[James Deuce]

Remember, the organisation he heads is now called "Ukysses".

[Mom]

Remember, the organisation he heads is now called "Ukysses".

They have always been known as "You Sillies" up here.

[James Deuce]

Mine is better. Goes with the brown nose.

[Big Dave]

Sadly BRONZ membership still only numbers in the hundreds.

Until it's thousands the old coots share the floor.

[James Deuce]

Good point.

[Katman]

Sadly BRONZ membership still only numbers in the hundreds.



That's sad to hear.

I wonder how many of the chest-beaters on here couldn't be arsed paying $20?

[Pussy]

$20.00 is cheap to join BRONZ

[Grubber]

never was about the money... it was about the principles of ACC why and how it was setup by Sir Owen Woodhouse

I think really that if we were to be totally honest...when we first saw the proposed increase, we all cringed at how much it was going to cost...so really it was the money that started all of it. Think the rest of the principle followed a bit later.

[James Deuce]

Mine was, "Not again".

I'll pay what I have to to keep riding.

I won't stand for unctuous liars who blame planned MV rego increases on one segment of society.

[FROSTY]

I think Les and BRONZ did a great job, and we have got a much better outcome than we could have anticipated at the begining.

i think hereing lies the crux of matters. they havents DONE a great job they are i hope DOING a great job.
i guess each an every one of us has a point of view or an agenda on this whole thing.
My PERSONAL objection isn't actually the hikes in price. That is simply in my view a numbers game
my objection is that the STRUCTURE of Motorcycle ACC payments is being changed.

[mikeey01]

Normally I get kissed before I get fucked! :mad:

Up to this point things have been progressing alone well, Les and the many have been doing a sterling job, I'm not certain about this recent development however, unsure.

[PuppetMaster]

i think hereing lies the crux of matters. they havents DONE a great job they are i hope DOING a great job.
i guess each an every one of us has a point of view or an agenda on this whole thing.
My PERSONAL objection isn't actually the hikes in price. That is simply in my view a numbers game
my objection is that the STRUCTURE of Motorcycle ACC payments is being changed.


yeah, what he said. Some peoples perception about how things have gone so far are not the same as others. I do think the criticism of Les is a little harsh, but I can understand the OP's frustration, nothing has changed, in fact we are still going to have to pay a huge increase, so why arent buildings burning yet ?

[StoneY]

Especially if THEY have to pay for our mistakes.
Good luck in getting car drivers support now that they have been told THEY have to pay more due to US not wanting to.



And how does that differ from the so called 77$ cross subsidy claim, Av?
It doesnt, they already have been told that right from day one, and they aint as tupid as YOU make them out to be

Today I have had no less than 12 NON motorcyclists contact me to say 'its still bullshit, we still support you and the BIKEOI, whens the next one'

The public are more onside with US than smith, I even had a coffee with a super govt agent type yesterday, and even the public service is 90% behind US, and against the ACC hikes

My next event im arranging is going to be 20,000 plus chanting BULLSHIT....round 1 may have been fought, and we may have had some territory gains, the war has NOT ended and the next round is going to be the huge one

[Big Dave]

i think hereing lies the crux of matters. they havents DONE a great job they are i hope DOING a great job.

Ix has maintained all along that this will be a long deal - and has predicted these current developments.

We haven't had a meeting to respond officially yet.

[mikeey01]

Hey fellas don't get me wrong I think Les has done a dam fine job up to this point, he along with a hell of a lot of others have too.

We move forward at a constant pace, ramping things up if and when required, I didn't see stalling or acceptance anywhere in the charter.

This is many things, money is not the issue now...
I question being targeted if a bike is over 601cc, I question the no fault, no blame,

[MSTRS]

I think really that if we were to be totally honest...when we first saw the proposed increase, we all cringed at how much it was going to cost...so really it was the money that started all of it. Think the rest of the principle followed a bit later.

No shit, Sherlock.
There's a few here that were aware of what was happening with National and ACC all along. I'm ashamed to say I was not one of them.
All the proposed figure/s did was get the attention of the rest of us. Nick the Prick should have quietly OK'd $50pa and for the most part we'd never have noticed. And his slimy agenda of dismantling ACC as we know it, would have quietly rolled on unremarked by all NZ.
Instead, he did get our attention. Using public sympathies to a certain extent, we've managed to educate a fair number of people as to the real issue. Our task (challenge?) is to continue that good work. Those that would support us are not fooled by the Prick's so-called backdown, so we've not really lost anything. In fact, by suggesting that car rises are because of the lower mc levy, the Prick has just given us more ammunition.

[Skyryder]

As predicted by some of us on here.

From

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3149840/ACC-levies-may-need-to-rise-again


ACC Minister Nick Smith announced yesterday increases in the workers' levy under which the average wage earner will pay an extra $148.50 a year from April, and he warned that further big rises could not be ruled out.

Car owners have been stung by a $30 rise in the ACC component of annual registration fees, but motorbike owners have been given a reprieve after the Government balked at proposed massive increases for them.

Reprieve?? Smith is still going to come back at us. As most of the population drive cars he will get them on his side by blaming us for some of their increased costs

It comes at a cost for car drivers, who are paying about $5 more a year than they would have otherwise to subsidize the lower rate for motorbikes.


Thirty dollars will be set aside from each motorbike levy for a $3 million annual fund for public education and safety campaigns and to address motorcycle black spots on roads.



It’s some improvement but still a sop for Smiths real intentions and when you consider that this government has cut back road safety funding


http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/critics-angry-over-road-safety-funding-cut-2557684

Smith has put some of this cost onto us by way of a levy increase.

But this is of some concern.

Peter McIntosh, president of the 4000-member Ulysses Club for motorcyclists, said the lower levy rises represented a victory.
"They're much better than we expected."

I think this guys idea of victory is different from mine, given the fact that Smith still has not ruled out further increases some time in the future when he believes that the conditions are more suitable for public acceptance.

Smith would have been well aware of the public sympathy that we got for our rallies. He has now began another stage of creating hostility between the biker community and other road users by blaming us for the some of the costs for the cage levies.

Victory??? My arse.




Skyryder

[avgas]

And how does that differ from the so called 77$ cross subsidy claim, Av?
It doesnt, they already have been told that right from day one, and they aint as tupid as YOU make them out to be

Today I have had no less than 12 NON motorcyclists contact me to say 'its still bullshit, we still support you and the BIKEOI, whens the next one'

The public are more onside with US than smith, I even had a coffee with a super govt agent type yesterday, and even the public service is 90% behind US, and against the ACC hikes

My next event im arranging is going to be 20,000 plus chanting BULLSHIT....round 1 may have been fought, and we may have had some territory gains, the war has NOT ended and the next round is going to be the huge one
Good to hear :2thumbsup

I am hoping the public will still support us. But I can understand why they would not, and at the end of the day you have to live with these people.

[Mr Merde]

I have been pretty much very quiet during this whole subject of ACC.

I havent joined in any protest rides because my bike is currently without WOF and Rego and I wouldnt compromise any activity by joining in whilst this is so.

This is not to say that I havent followed all the threads with great interest.

From the beginning I believed that the outcome we have just been presented with is what was going to happen. I am thoroghly against it but it was a forgone conclusion.

What has disappointed me is that everyone has realised this from the beginning but pretty much everyone has played the appeasement game.

Look to history.

Your efforts so far ar akin to Neville Chamberlain in 1939 returning from Berlin with a document, waving it in the air and claiming" peace in our time"

Look where that led to.

I am disappointed that the more active protests were not strongly supported as they should have been.

"PEACE IN OUR TIME"

You should all get the T shirts made now. You have earned it.


MERDE

[avgas]

That's sad to hear.
I wonder how many of the chest-beaters on here couldn't be arsed paying $20?
No offence - but for me its not about $20. I'm sure bronz is a great organisation - but governance and motorcycling should not be in the same sentence in my mind.
I ride a bike for fun. I read reports for Governance.
I only hang out here cos I have to do something at work :laugh:

[avgas]

I have been pretty much very quiet during this whole subject of ACC.

I havent joined in any protest rides because my bike is currently without WOF and Rego and I wouldnt compromise any activity by joining in whilst this is so.

This is not to say that I havent followed all the threads with great interest.

From the beginning I believed that the outcome we have just been presented with is what was going to happen. I am thoroghly against it but it was a forgone conclusion.

What has disappointed me is that everyone has realised this from the beginning but pretty much everyone has played the appeasement game.

Look to history.

Your efforts so far ar akin to Neville Chamberlain in 1939 returning from Berlin with a document, waving it in the air and claiming" peace in our time"

Look where that led to.

I am disappointed that the more active protests were not strongly supported as they should have been.

"PEACE IN OUR TIME"

You should all get the T shirts made now. You have earned it.


MERDE

And this is why I like having you on here.
I missed the good ol' days when you and Ixion would banter over kick-starts

[Mr Merde]

And this is why I like having you on here.
I missed the good ol' days when you and Ixion would banter over kick-starts

I must be getting old as I too miss "the good old days".

There comes a time when you dont have the energy to partake of all the fights. I am heavily involved in another sport and fighting for its survival so cannot devote a lot of time to others.

The mind is strong but the flesh is getting weaker.

[Drogen Omen]

Who the fuck made these guys boss of NZ bikers "Les Mason" and the "dude from Ulysses"...???

wonder if they would like to pay for my rego...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10614765&ref=rss


Steep rises in levies mean a person on the average wage with one car will pay $1300 to ACC each year - $180 more than they do now.

The increases, approved by the Government yesterday

So from April i will be paying...

bike 1200cc - $430
bike 350cc - $340
bike 250cc - $340
family 4x4 registration - $198.46
Diesel levy - $150
Wages - $990.00
TOTAL - $2448.46

hey BRONZ and Ulysses i'll email you my bank account since you guys just said that the new ACC Levys were ok...

you guys can pay my ACC levy's...

[Katman]

No offence - but for me its not about $20. I'm sure bronz is a great organisation - but governance and motorcycling should not be in the same sentence in my mind.


BRONZ isn't a motorcycle club. They don't do 'club rides'.

The reality is though that there come times when motorcyclists and motorcycling need an organisation to stand up on behalf of the whole motorcycling community.

Ulysses doesn't cut it - neither does HOG. Even MNZ have been strangely conspicuous by their silence.

[Swoop]

The Ulysses guy......anyone else notice the smile?


To say that I am disappointed in Peter Mac would be an understatement.
It would be nice if he would shut up. His comments are being repeated in the media and it sounds like we have rolled over and accepted the "lower" figure, when really we are accepting a new system that penalises owners for what we ride, rather than the no fault-no blame accident compensation scheme.

Peter Mac, STFU!

[Pussy]

Peter Mac, STFU!

You're asking a bit much there, Swoop... he likes the sound of his own voice too much!... :D

[riffer]

Don't think Ulysses members are too happy about this either. Sounds like we're getting a pretty hard time on Ulysses forums too:


Disgraceful <hr style="color: rgb(209, 209, 225); background-color: rgb(209, 209, 225);" size="1"> <!-- / icon and title --> <!-- message --> I don't think i've seem such capitulation by a group of people since the All Blacks rolled over to the French in the Rugby World Cup. What a bunch of softcocks. I'm sorry Ken, but scanning Kiwibiker (if they are an example)shows a number of people have hoisted the white flag. I, however, will continue the fight. I thought bikers were tough but obviously not. They should HTFU and show some spine

See thread here:

http://www.ulysses.org.nz/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=4108#post4108

[avgas]

BRONZ isn't a motorcycle club. They don't do 'club rides'.

The reality is though that there come times when motorcyclists and motorcycling need an organisation to stand up on behalf of the whole motorcycling community.

Ulysses doesn't cut it - neither does HOG. Even MNZ have been strangely conspicuous by their silence.
Reread my post main man - club was never in the mention.
Do we really need an organisation to stand up on our behalf. As far as I can see the 2 reasons there has been any change at all have been down to the individuals involved. Having an organisational body behind it added no value.
Which is why I am quite happy to pat Ix on the back - its a good effort for him to do this for us. Its a shame he didn't have the BRONZ committee to stand behind him in those tough interviews though.... seeing as that is what boards are suppose to do.
Which is exactly why I don't like combining Governance and Motorcycling.

[Squiggles]

Its a shame he didn't have the BRONZ committee to stand behind him in those tough interviews though.... seeing as that is what boards are suppose to do.

Fuck me... suppose you're one of the few hundred members? Meetings are Wednesday PM @ Danish House

[Voltaire]

Look to history.

Your efforts so far ar akin to Neville Chamberlain in 1939 returning from Berlin with a document, waving it in the air and claiming" peace in our time"

Look where that led to.


"PEACE IN OUR TIME"

You should all get the T shirts made now. You have earned it.


MERDE

Berlin 1939...?
Try Munich 1938.
But as George Patton more o less said:
" a good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow"
A much better t shirt.

[scracha]

Even MNZ have been strangely conspicuous by their silence.

What, you weren't seriously expecting the salaried employees at MNZ to organise something useful?

Time BRONZ wrote a letter to Ulisys saying "thanks but no thanks".

[Katman]

Do we really need an organisation to stand up on our behalf. As far as I can see the 2 reasons there has been any change at all have been down to the individuals involved. Having an organisational body behind it added no value.


If that organisational body had a membership numbering in the tens of thousands it could offer plenty of value.

[Mr Merde]

Berlin 1939...?
Try Munich 1938.
But as George Patton more o less said:
" a good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow"
A much better t shirt.

OK my date and place were wrong. I'm sorry. Memory plays tricks on you once past a certain age. <_<:laugh:

[Swoop]

You're asking a bit much there, Swoop... he likes the sound of his own voice too much!... :D
He does NOT represent all bikers. He does not represent any particular sector of bikers. He does NOT represent my opinion.

The fight continues!!
Fuck ACC.

[James Deuce]

If that organisational body had a membership numbering in the tens of thousands it could offer plenty of value.
Another good point.

[Hanne]

Its a shame he didn't have the BRONZ committee to stand behind him in those tough interviews though.... seeing as that is what boards are suppose to do.



Fuck me... suppose you're one of the few hundred members? Meetings are Wednesday PM @ Danish House

I second what Squiggles said.

Some of us have actually stepped up to the plate and put in innumerable man hours IRL to organise protests, disseminate information and mobilise the troops instead of bitching on the net about what is visible from the surface. Things don't just magically happen overnight!

[ManDownUnder]

It's a war not a battle. It's long haul, it's going to take a while.

If it was a quick issue then it'd be resolved one way or the other by now and if that was the case then conciliatory words would be an acceptance. ... but read back - just in this very thread. It's obviously not. Some ground was made some ground was lost the battle is over and we didn't get beaten up as much as we could've.

So we learn our lessons, regroup, and pick the stage for the next assault.

I personally think BRONZ is doing a good job, the predictions about actions and reactions were pretty much on track and right now we're in as good a shape as we could realistically hope.

I think the Ulysses President's comments were over the top - the guy doesn't speak for me... but conversely I don't speak for him and he seems like the kind of guy I'd still sit with over a beer.

Fuck's sake - the fights not over. Nicks Myth could have done anything he likes this early in the political term. He didn't need to cut that ACC rate at all except for a want to minimise the damage to National votes at the next election. So he gave a little to get a lot. aybe we should learn something from him. We don't have to agree with him, or like him, or support him... but at least be clever enough to see when we've been presented by the very tactics we could employ ourselves.

Give a little... back down a little, but keep an eye on the future... keep working toward what we ultimately want.

He is banking on the NZ public/backlash dissolving away with time, time being the big healer and all that. So it's up to us to make sure it doesn't. I do believe that's what Ixion's been saying from day one. It's what a lot of the Ulysses members are also saying.

Is it really that hard to see? We might have to suck it up for a while till National's teneder bits are showing (around election build up time I reckon)... and THEN kick 'em in the 'nads.

[Squiggles]

till National's teneder bits are showing (around election build up time I reckon)... and THEN kick 'em in the 'nads.

You make it sound so appealing :laugh:

[ManDownUnder]

You make it sound so appealing :laugh:

I think it is... meat balls to rissole conversions... commmm-MENCE!

(where's the little "boot in the balls" smiley?)

[Brian d marge]

That long haul has been going since the eighties ..... and will continue long after I am dead and buried I am afraid

In the mean time , ya got to get the oldies to realize that national is such a nice man after all and get rid of the baskets

AND THE LAWS THE HAVE PUT IN PLACE

Stephen

[kave]

If that organisational body had a membership numbering in the tens of thousands it could offer plenty of value.

Perhaps BRONZ would be good value for money if they had thousands of members, but they don't. The fact is that while individuals from BRONZ have been highly effective, the organisation itself has been less than useful. You would think a Bikers rights organisation in the midst of the greatest threat to motorcyclist rights this decade would be able to organise an effective membership drive but it appears that BRONZ couldn't organise a root in a brothel.

Do we really need BRONZ though? There is currently a forum where large numbers of bikers can organise, and it is free. The place I refer to has been the driving force behind almost all of the ACC levy hike protests. The place I am obviously referring to is Kiwibiker. BRONZ has lost all relevance, it is a small splinter-group of people and should shut down in the interests of unity.

Perhaps if BRONZ was truly a national organisation as opposed to loosely affiliated regional groups it would have managed to retain some relevance, unfortunately it is not. As has been proved by the whole ACC Levy dispute, BRONZ is unable to respond in a timely fashion to critical events. In a fast moving modern society the ability to respond to rapidly changing events is crucial. I am sure that in their time they were highly effective, but their time is past.

[riffer]

Perhaps if BRONZ was truly a national organisation as opposed to loosely affiliated regional groups it would have managed to retain some relevance, unfortunately it is not.

And you're suggesting KB as a credible alternative? What have you been smoking? :laugh:

[Squiggles]

Perhaps BRONZ....

Back it up or its nothing but a bitch :laugh: Meeting's are wednesday, i'll assume you joined up back when this started to support them

[Pussy]

He does NOT represent all bikers. He does not represent any particular sector of bikers. He does NOT represent my opinion.

The fight continues!!
Fuck ACC.

The arselicker doesn't speak for me, either!!

[Beeza]

Levy the rider or, better still, the petrol. If I have 5 bikes, I'm not at a fivefold risk of hurting myself. At any given moment, 4 of my 5 bikes are obviously sitting idly in my shed. And if I cover only 1000 sunny Sunday kilometres a year on all five -- as a fairweather rider -- I shouldn't pay for covering the same insurance risk as a rider who rides 15000 hectic kms in grotty weather in city traffic. Then, if I race on a racetrack, I pay zero ACC levy? And farmbikes, dirtbikes and quads pay absolutely nothing to ACC, just like pedal cyclists? So where's the fairness? ALL these inequities are still there in the system while Dr Smith still drones on and on about the "very high risks" of motorcycling putting an "unfair drain" on ACC resources, and trotting out the same bogus numbers.

[Squiggles]

I found it interesting that they kept the fuel levy constant... wonder why

[Katman]

Do we really need BRONZ though? There is currently a forum where large numbers of bikers can organise, and it is free. The place I refer to has been the driving force behind almost all of the ACC levy hike protests. The place I am obviously referring to is Kiwibiker. BRONZ has lost all relevance, it is a small splinter-group of people and should shut down in the interests of unity.


I'm sure the politicians would love nothing more than to go head to head with Kiwibiker.

Fuck me, talk about sending pre-schoolers to do a grown-ups job!

[kave]

I'm sure the politicians would love nothing more than to go head to head with Kiwibiker.

Fuck me, talk about sending pre-schoolers to do a grown-ups job!

What do you think Ixion, Stoney or any of the others are. Thats right, they are Kiwibikers. I wouldn't refer to them as pre-schoolers. To be honest BRONZ with its pitiful 100 members obviously lacks any mandate to speak on behalf of bikers. The only real weight behind anything they say, is that they have the support of kiwibiker. This is already the reality, lets admit it and then use it.

[Pussy]

What do you think Ixion, Stoney or any of the others are. Thats right, they are Kiwibikers. I wouldn't refer to them as pre-schoolers. To be honest BRONZ with its pitiful 100 members obviously lacks any mandate to speak on behalf of bikers. The only real weight behind anything they say, is that they have the support of kiwibiker. This is already the reality, lets admit it and then use it.

What about everyone shelling out $20.00 and becoming members of BRONZ?

[James Deuce]

Another good point.

[cowpatz]

Why not a combination of licence holder levy and a fuel levy? I have more than 1 car and a bike but just the one licence.

[Gixxer 4 ever]

And farmbikes, dirtbikes and quads pay absolutely nothing to ACC,.

You think? You obviously don't own a farm. Cost shit loads.

I have read this and a few other threads on here and it is amazing how divided and nasty this has become. Get back to the basics.

ACC no fault no blame even spread.

No fully funded forward crap.

ACC is not broke.

This is like herding cats. You lot are eating each other up and I am really inclined to not read any more. Such venom for each other.

Well done for the ones that have worked to get this far to date.

[Maha]

I'm sure the politicians would love nothing more than to go head to head with Kiwibiker.

Fuck me, talk about sending pre-schoolers to do a grown-ups job!

You have to admit though Steve, there some very intelligent and clued-up people on here. Those that do have the ability to take on anything thrown at them and not shiver ane quake as the brick wall gets closer. Over the last few months, my eyes have been widened by the new people I have met, and just how commited and knowledgeable they are about the issue they're attending to.

[Katman]

You have to admit though Steve, there some very intelligent and clued-up people on here.

It's just a pity they're so outnumbered.

[sidecar bob]

The arselicker doesn't speak for me, either!!

Dude, what your posts lack in size, they make up for in quality. Keep it coming, youre saving me a heap of typing.

[oldrider]

That long haul has been going since the eighties ..... and will continue long after I am dead and buried I am afraid

In the mean time , ya got to get the oldies to realize that national is such a nice man after all and get rid of the baskets

AND THE LAWS THE HAVE PUT IN PLACE

Stephen

Just because the National government are arseholes doesn't mean that Liabour and their supporting (sycophant) parties are not!

They are the c*nts that got us where we are!

If we don't remain "apolitical", we will just divide ourselves up! :shifty:

[Pussy]

Just because the National government are arseholes doesn't mean that Liabour and their supporting (sycophant) parties are not!

They are the c*nts that got us where we are!

If we don't remain "apolitical", we will just divide ourselves up! :shifty:

Spot on, John! :niceone:

[StoneY]

Just because the National government are arseholes doesn't mean that Labour and their supporting (sycophant) parties are not!

They are the c*nts that got us where we are!



What the fuck are you smokin, ACC worked fine until the NATS broke the model in '93 with the first attempt to tear it apart for JK's rich cronies

If it needs anything, it needs the fucking roll over and milk the easy payout doctors, and the patients they support cut the fuck out and the long term bludgers shot on sight

It aint even a what party issue, its a fucked up mess, with the round table wankers private pet politicians selling OUR kids futures

[klingon]

OK so I've obviously missed something. I've just looked through this whole thread looking for a link to what Les actually said. I didn't see any links, just people moaning about what he allegedly said. Has anyone got any actual links?

By the way, I am an active member of the BRONZ Auckland committee. I have been a paid-up member for about a year and a half, and active on and off during that time. To all those people who have the gall to criticise us for not being there when you need us, where were YOU when WE needed you?

If some of you grizzlers had stumped up your $20 and actually got involved in organising stuff, BRONZ would be in a much stronger position today.

So when you get on your high horse and complain about what BRONZ is or isn't doing, consider that for the last several years BRONZ has consisted of a handful of talented, dedicated, hard-working people who have worked tirelessly behind the scenes while you have been out riding or sitting at home on your couch.

And to all those who have joined BRONZ recently, and especially those wonderful people who have not just joined but thrown themselves in boots and all, you have my heart-felt thanks. We truly appreciate what you are doing on behalf of NZ motorcyclists.

[Brian d marge]

Just because the National government are arseholes doesn't mean that Liabour and their supporting (sycophant) parties are not!

They are the c*nts that got us where we are!

If we don't remain "apolitical", we will just divide ourselves up! :shifty:

I agree with the Apolitical .......

But labor is nationals alter ego

ever wondered why they are pretty similar in major issues ?

As I have said MANY times before , it is outside forces that pressure NZ to follow a certain procedure ( the gateway to this is \are the business round table )

The IMF have openly stated that NZ must make changes to its medical and one other area of which I cant remember off top of head.

and wasn't there a labor minister promoted to the head of the IMF? the one before Clark?

So back to the task

Smithy has said that they are waiting for the Stock-take report to see if the work account can be opened up to competition

and it will be in structure similar to Australian insurance companies ( He refers to Acc as a fully funded insurance scheme, I cant watch much more I cant believe the lies he is saying ... ( they are true IF you use a fully funded model)

but he does remark about the accountancy changes , this is a hint at what is driving these changes and backs up what I have said before.

The student loans were a brilliant bit of accounting , show up on the books as an Asset ( that brilliant that is )

This is all to attract investment dollar into NZ

Now those investment dollar , have inherient drawbacks as the profits are repatriated and the LOCAL economey suffers in the LONG term ( not the short term ) imho

Sorry but out of all of the well paid intelligentsia in the round house

it wouldn't matter who you put in place , a one leg gay Panda for all I care ...
I am interested in the Maori party gaining some influence , because they might be divided between historical loyalty ( or traditions ) and may have NZ at heart more

or......

labor as they tend to have a socialist agenda , best of a rotten lot ( they actually did quite well over the last term but ,,went nuts as all parties do in the last , and slapper Bradford was a bad move , not for what she said her intentions were good , just went against middle NZ , or was portrayed to )

Vote National for all I care , I used my vote and am doing very nicely thanks , health care is good , transport is good , motorcycles are cheap , education,,,, well cant have everything

NZ will be a beautiful place when you remove big business and return it to the people. Vote Joe plumber ! walmart has no ones interest at heart but its own ...

Stephen

[twotyred]

OK so I've obviously missed something. I've just looked through this whole thread looking for a link to what Les actually said. I didn't see any links, just people moaning about what he allegedly said. Has anyone got any actual links?


I have posted a link to les's RNZ interview yesterday here:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=114747

[Pussy]

OK so I've obviously missed something. I've just looked through this whole thread looking for a link to what Les actually said. I didn't see any links, just people moaning about what he allegedly said. Has anyone got any actual links?

By the way, I am an active member of the BRONZ Auckland committee. I have been a paid-up member for about a year and a half, and active on and off during that time. To all those people who have the gall to criticise us for not being there when you need us, where were YOU when WE needed you?

If some of you grizzlers had stumped up your $20 and actually got involved in organising stuff, BRONZ would be in a much stronger position today.

So when you get on your high horse and complain about what BRONZ is or isn't doing, consider that for the last several years BRONZ has consisted of a handful of talented, dedicated, hard-working people who have worked tirelessly behind the scenes while you have been out riding or sitting at home on your couch.

And to all those who have joined BRONZ recently, and especially those wonderful people who have not just joined but thrown themselves in boots and all, you have my heart-felt thanks. We truly appreciate what you are doing on behalf of NZ motorcyclists.

There are also a lot of us who REALLY appreciate the fine job you have been doing, too!
I'm one of them!

[avgas]

If that organisational body had a membership numbering in the tens of thousands it could offer plenty of value.
Then get one who has Kiwi's who hate ACC. Bronz wont achieve this

[Katman]

Then get one who has Kiwi's who hate ACC. Bronz wont achieve this

Why do we need to hate ACC? Aren't they the suckers who fix us up even when we've acted like fuckwits?

I still say that civil disobedience (i.e. not paying your rego) is the only way to force the government to sit down and talk sense with us.

[avgas]

I second what Squiggles said.

Some of us have actually stepped up to the plate and put in innumerable man hours IRL to organise protests, disseminate information and mobilize the troops instead of bitching on the net about what is visible from the surface. Things don't just magically happen overnight!
Very true - that was an oversight on my part and I am sorry.
But you have to admit as it stands right now it looks almost like Ix vs Nix.
The only time that 1 on 1 has gotten anywhere is Jerry Springer.

Some things do happen overnight, this is why we are in this predicament.

Please don't feel that I am bashing anything to do with the individual's work - far from it, I am congratulating you guys for it. But I think its unfair to say "Bronz won the battle".....when the same individuals (like yourself) are still trying to fight the war.

I would much rather support you guys that the PC Dance I see on the TV. Its like the unions all over again - Jump? How high sir?

[avgas]

Why do we need to hate ACC? Aren't they the suckers who fix us up even when we've acted like fuckwits?

I still say that civil disobedience (i.e. not paying your rego) is the only way to force the government to sit down and talk sense with us.
Me too - but why stop on bike rego? We need car owners too?
Hate is easier that "We dislike what you are currently doing".............if you don't like the term hate - try disgust.

A common enemy needs to be found for all - someone people can point at and go:
"YOU!"<_<

How on earth are we going to attack a bill where every decrease we get goes onto earners and drivers? ACC are trying to pit the rest of NZ against motorcyclist claiming:

"Your going to pay more because they complain too much"

That is spiteful, we need to show NZ that regardless of what happens ACC are going to try and rip us all off.

Who's Next?

[BMWST?]

That's sad to hear.

I wonder how many of the chest-beaters on here couldn't be arsed paying $20?

i did..did you?

[Katman]

Me too - but why stop on bike rego? We need car owners too?


As I've said in another thread, when car drivers start seeing us refusing to pay our rego, then the court system clogging up, and then seeing us seeming to go unpunished due to that clogged system then they will start saying "fuck that, if they're not paying, then neither am I".

[Mrs Busa Pete]

As do most of us (I wish I could say all). And that has been the message from the start (well, almost the start).

And that is unchanged.

Would those complaining about being sold out, I wonder, have happily accepted a nil increase and gone home and ignored the rest of what is happening with ACC ?

Well bloody said Les and to true

[Katman]

i did..did you?

Yeah right - I'd come on here poking shit at those who expect everything from BRONZ, but aren't prepared to offer up $20, while not paying it myself.

Grow a fucking brain.

[BMWST?]

Then get one who has Kiwi's who hate ACC. Bronz wont achieve this

you do realise that ix is the Bronz man too dont you?

[duckonin]

What about everyone shelling out $20.00 and becoming members of BRONZ?

Pussy you shall have to shout out your message, go again reboot it...

[oldrider]

What the fuck are you smokin, ACC worked fine until the NATS broke the model in '93 with the first attempt to tear it apart for JK's rich cronies

If it needs anything, it needs the fucking roll over and milk the easy payout doctors, and the patients they support cut the fuck out and the long term bludgers shot on sight

It aint even a what party issue, its a fucked up mess, with the round table wankers private pet politicians selling OUR kids futures

What the fuck am I smokin? I wont respond to that, it's unnecessary and distracting!

No, ACC wasn't working properly!

The public were generally pissed off with the way that ACC was being misused and abused!

There seemed to be no accountability for what increasing numbers of taxpayers saw as horrendously stupid payouts to the undeserving.

At the same time apparently deserving cases were being pushed aside and claimants received nothing!

That's what gave "politicians" the confidence to start "their" political tinkering and interference with it!

The political tinkering has been continuous ever since!

Socialists want the ACC welfare system to continue and Capitalists want to dump it and revert to private individual accident insurance in it's place!

Personally I don't mind which but this indecisive shambles in-between is very very damaging to the general public at large and it is very divisive by nature.

Historically motorcyclists by their nature have demonstrated division in so many ways, without even considering the current ACC debacle!

It appears (as has been said elsewhere) to be akin to herding cats, for anyone to attempt to bring them affectively together on a common cause, with common objectives and win the day!

Will the current "Government-ACC-AA" attack on motorcyclist's be the catalyst to unify us?

If it is, our leaders will need to be able to spell the details and direction out very clearly for all to understand and follow them unfaltering for a very long time!

No one said it would be easy but it could be worth it!

[Winston001]

This is a simple and heartfelt Thankyou to Les, Stoney, Mom and the others who stepped up and fronted the ACC issue. Taking a public stance requires courage and strength which you showed in abundance.

[mikeey01]

This is a simple and heartfelt Thankyou to Les, Stoney, Mom and the others who stepped up and fronted the ACC issue. Taking a public stance requires courage and strength which you showed in abundance.

Winston you are so right.

[Genestho]

Frankly I'm pretty annoyed with the selfishness displayed in this thread, you guys will have no idea of the distinct advantages of communication with ACC and Govt. It doesn't mean rolling over at all.

There will be not one iota of understanding the work that has been done since mid october, (and even prior) on behalf of Motorcyclists.

You could've supported Bronz with numbers, you could've made submissions - only 2000 odd submissions made, some on this site should read more and post less.

Well done Les et al.:2thumbsup

[ynot slow]

Dpex... go fuck yourself

Les (Ixion)... much appreciation for your fine efforts!

Well bloody said,I thought Les never replied bikers were happy,but the idiot from Ulysses said that he was happy and all bikers were happy with the outcome,amazing how they(ulysses)jump on the band wagon.

[StoneY]

Well bloody said,I thought Les never replied bikers were happy,but the idiot from Ulysses said that he was happy and all bikers were happy with the outcome,amazing how they(ulysses)jump on the band wagon.

I agree with most of that statement, except it was the ONE man from Ulysses that was happy....one man with a fondness for camera's and mirrors :lol:

Read a few more threads, you'll see that Ulysses members who post here on KB aint too happy with what was said 'publicly' on 'their behalf'

I have been accused of being 'divisive and abusive' by this very media entity too LMFAO
All good, ducks, backs and water

Les is a bloody legend!

[Murray]

I struggle to see that Les (Ixion) has rolled over when he has a calendar entry up for a protest ride on next Saturday (19th). More like everyone else has rolled over with only 12 people registered to attend.

This event is a great opportunity to show that we are not happy

get in behind it !!!!!!

[taff1954]

This is a simple and heartfelt Thankyou to Les, Stoney, Mom and the others who stepped up and fronted the ACC issue. Taking a public stance requires courage and strength which you showed in abundance.

+1 on that. The other thing some people seem to be ignoring is the phenomenal amount of work that goes on, unseen, in the background - often after such an announcement as was made on the 10th. As Les has said so many times, this is a long, long campaign. There's still two years to go.

[Genestho]

Well the other thing is most is done quite rightly - behind closed doors, it's all very well staging protests but they are a media campaign creating awareness, when the media get bored with news angles, the real work that continues on, is research, backing your debate, reviews, consultations and communication.

Processes, the simple fact is these do take time!!

[MSTRS]

How on earth are we going to attack a bill where every decrease we get goes onto earners and drivers?


Rubbish. It may have been said, but the reality is that the earner levy increase was trimmed back, so was the car levy, and the fuel levy was not adjusted at all.
The reality is that we've known all along that the car levy was proposed to be +$150, but we've also known all along that it would be set at +$30. That info came from the AA themselves.
It is up to us to shout that from the rooftops if any Joe Public believes he's paying more because we're paying 'less'.

[Kennif]

Well bloody said,I thought Les never replied bikers were happy,but the idiot from Ulysses said that he was happy and all bikers were happy with the outcome,amazing how they(ulysses)jump on the band wagon.

Have a look at what Peter actually said. I am not happy with it and nor a number of Ulyssians that I have spoken with. But your comment above is unfair. He said he was "Surprised, pleased I suppose." That's bad enough IMO but you take it a step further I think. If you can refer me to a clip where Peter said that bikers were "...happy with the outcome" , please let me know.

Here's the clip....
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/bikers-force-backdown-acc-levies-3250326/video.xhtml

[Pussy]

Frankly I'm pretty annoyed with the selfishness displayed in this thread, you guys will have no idea of the distinct advantages of communication with ACC and Govt. It doesn't mean rolling over at all.

There will be not one iota of understanding the work that has been done since mid october, (and even prior) on behalf of Motorcyclists.

You could've supported Bronz with numbers, you could've made submissions - only 2000 odd submissions made, some on this site should read more and post less.

Well done Les et al.:2thumbsup

I'm VERY surprised that more haven't dug in to their pockets and spent a measly 20 bucks to join BRONZ.
Sadly, I'm not THAT surprised that there are many who can't see past the end of their nose.
I am EXTREMELY grateful for the tireless work that has been done on my behalf.

[Pussy]

In fact, I would still strongly suggest that if there are those that haven't joined BRONZ yet, to do so

[Bodir]

Always remember though: A sentence by itself can portray anything. Cutting their opinion has always been the media way.

[Pussy]

Always remember though: A sentence by itself can portray anything. Cutting their opinion has always been the media way.

Fair enough.... but some damage has been done, and ill feeling created.
BRONZ represents ALL motorcyclists, not just over-40s.
Spend $20.00... it's an investment

[Grubber]

No shit, Sherlock.
There's a few here that were aware of what was happening with National and ACC all along. I'm ashamed to say I was not one of them.
All the proposed figure/s did was get the attention of the rest of us. Nick the Prick should have quietly OK'd $50pa and for the most part we'd never have noticed. And his slimy agenda of dismantling ACC as we know it, would have quietly rolled on unremarked by all NZ.
Instead, he did get our attention. Using public sympathies to a certain extent, we've managed to educate a fair number of people as to the real issue. Our task (challenge?) is to continue that good work. Those that would support us are not fooled by the Prick's so-called backdown, so we've not really lost anything. In fact, by suggesting that car rises are because of the lower mc levy, the Prick has just given us more ammunition.
Ill take the no shit Sherlock as a small piece of sarcasm.
I agree with pretty much...no no, actually all of what you say. The final outcome after everyones hard work and time is exactly as it has happened. We all saw it coming to be fair. When all the stat's came out after the initial price increase was waved under our noses, it became apparent they were twisting the system to achieve the result they now have. Lets keep at them.

[outlawtorn]

The whole response to Nix Myth from Les Mason and the dude from Ulysses wants to make me puke.

We all knew the game-plan was for ACC to come out proclaiming a huge increase then have Aunty Nikki make us all feel good with a 'significant' reduction.

And what happened? Les Mason and the dude from Ulysses got in the media asserting it was a good outcome and just goes to show how our voices were heard.

Jesus! But what planet are you guys on? We got shafted, as did all other registered road users and employees.

Did any beneficiary get a direct increase? Any superannuant? Any tourist? Did any other road-user, or off-road user get clouted?

The answer is a resounding NO!

Did Tricky Nikki come out and confirm that ACC is now an insurance company? NO!

Did he confirm that in line with all insurance companies, non-claimants would get a no-claims bonus? NO

We got shafted and our so-called representatives just rolled over and took it up the arse.

Les, I didn't ride all the way to Welly, and/or spend the time and money I have spent on fighting the increases just to have the likes of you roll over like a satisfied doormat.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

hey dpex, you truly are a dipshit mate, how much of your personal time have you sacrificed for this cause? Fuck all compared to what Les is doing and continues to do for the bikers in this country. Get of your lazy arse and help, put in the hard yards then maybe, just maybe you might have some grounds for a statement like this.

[FIDH]

Fuck me.. You are a stuck up cunt aint ya? Next time, How about you go and take the role of Media Communications.. See how you do it?

All i can say is Well done Les and Anyone else that was in the Media spotlight. You done me, And most likely everyone else, Proud! I congratulate you for all the hard work you guys done. Well done! :first::first:

O.P.. go find something else to complain about. No. We are not happy about the rises.. Just be thankful that your 1000cc beast or w/e it is you are running around on isnt gonna cost ya $900 a year

I haven't even read the whole thread ... but man, this is a post that needed responding to.

Whilst no increase is the ultimate goal, any reduction in the initial figures being bandied about is welcome. I for one am happy that I won't be paying shitloads extra to register my bike next time the rego runs out.

I will still protest in favour of no increase at all, and continue to point out the inequity of hitting big bikes, or ANY registered bike, with a levy increase. Especially whilst offroaders hit trees and cyclists run red lights and pay not a fucking bean. Damn right it ain't fair.

But you felt the need to bring out the c word. Why? Reflection?

[flyingcrocodile46]

But you felt the need to bring out the c word. Why?

Cause 'Meat flower' doesn't have the same impact. :rolleyes:

[StoneY]

But you felt the need to bring out the c word. Why? Reflection?

Coz he's young bro, and feels its more impact with obsenities

HB is an impressionable young bloke, we will make a biker of him yet
He made a good point too....

Ultimately, the thing I forgot to bite on, is how far did DPEX 'ride all the way to Wellington' from?

I wonder...did Les ride further????
I know he walked further...all the way from the Stadium right up to Nix wee office on floor 5 of the Big House!

[Hopeful Bastard]

But you felt the need to bring out the c word. Why? Reflection?

hahaha. No.. He just pushed my buttons on a bad day. Anyone that didnt contribute to talking with media like Les or Peter, and then goes and writes that they are pissed off with those two, Doesnt deserve to be alive on the same planet as them.

I am pissed at Government, yet very happy with Les's and Peter's Contribution they made for us. Again, Job well done Les and Peter :first:

[Laxi]

les rocks! that statement by peter left a bad taste in my mouth though

[StoneY]

Again, Job well done Les and Peter :first:

Dont you go praising Peter too highly mate, because I tell you right now he had NOTHING to do with OUR campaign, hes on his own personal crusade

On the 30th october he told me on the phone we were 'poles apart' in our views and goals, that any large group ride was a pending disaster (there WAS truth to that to be fair)

On the 31st he publicly stated 'do not place all your faith in the BIKEOI' and that we needed to work 'with the Ministar and ACC' to achieve any result

The kudos due to Ulysses for BIKEOI effort is all Howard Mansell, John (Koroj) and Ken (Kennif?) those 3 organised the ride marshalling teams, the Ulysses Disciples and all the good vibes between both camps came largely from these 3 gentelmens VERY hard work

A lot of people have bagged Ulysses over Peter's statements, UNFAIRLY I will say

[Hopeful Bastard]

Well then, Job well Done Les and Stoner.. I mean StoneY !! :blank:

:first::clap:

[dpex]

Yeah well, you lot can keep blowing smoke up Les's arse for as long as you like, but the facts remain.

1. Les arranged a couple of groupies....none of which altered the outcome of Smith's original plan.....And I was there for both of them.

2. Les got himself on TV. Smith did what he had already decided to do.

3. We didn't get a zero rise.

Now I'd like to ask you all a question, prefaced by the following....

Bikers are generally seen by the wider public as patched, hairy, dirty, speedsters, reckless, mostly DIC, careless, space invaders (lane splitters) and generally as folk to be ignored before being flogged.

Is it not the case that we really ought to be presenting the 'best face' to our audience...ergo the public, in order to gain their support?

And so here's the question.....

Does Les, with his mouth filled with clearly rotting teeth.....which I notice the TV cameras seem to be linked.....present the image we wish to portray?

Resounding NO.

Would not a clean-cut, sort've Sean Penn type, not be a slightly better image?

As sad as I am to say it, mainly because I actually don't like being personally offensive to other than the Katmans of the world....And there's only two of them...Katman and my mother...

But Les, I'm sorry, but I find your mouth full of rotting teeth offensive. And at the end of the day, I probably represent a largish proportion of folk who would find similarly.

You are not the person I wish to have representing me on national television.

And given you have rolled over ahead of Nix Myth's 'very conciliatory' reduction in proposed levies, I don't want you representing me as a pissed off biker.

I'm going to put me efforts behind the Wellington guy who shares my belief that all targeted ACC levies are a sham.

[Voltaire]

DPEX
I'm going to put me efforts behind the Wellington guy

.....lucky Wellington guy...:buggerd:

[Squiggles]

Lets get the whale rider girl on, pretty face, pretty clueless :lol:

[Ronin]

But Les, I'm sorry, but I find your mouth full of rotting teeth offensive. And at the end of the day, I probably represent a largish proportion of folk who would find similarly.
.

Thats ok, there are a large amount of people who find your opinions offensive. Evens out in the end.

[Pussy]

As sad as I am to say it, mainly because I actually don't like being personally offensive to other than the Katmans of the world....And there's only two of them...Katman and my mother...



Katman is a good bastard.
Any truth in the story going round that when you were born, the doctor slapped your Mother??

[flyingcrocodile46]

2. Les got himself on TV.


Oh dear! Someone is miffed that the TV crews found Les more appealing than himself. Awwwwwww Such a shame. It's hard to believe that all your chest puffing still couldn't hide your big gut eh!

[outlawtorn]

Yeah well, you lot can keep blowing smoke up Les's arse for as long as you like, but the facts remain.

1. Les arranged a couple of groupies....none of which altered the outcome of Smith's original plan.....And I was there for both of them.

2. Les got himself on TV. Smith did what he had already decided to do.

3. We didn't get a zero rise.

Now I'd like to ask you all a question, prefaced by the following....

Bikers are generally seen by the wider public as patched, hairy, dirty, speedsters, reckless, mostly DIC, careless, space invaders (lane splitters) and generally as folk to be ignored before being flogged.

Is it not the case that we really ought to be presenting the 'best face' to our audience...ergo the public, in order to gain their support?

And so here's the question.....

Does Les, with his mouth filled with clearly rotting teeth.....which I notice the TV cameras seem to be linked.....present the image we wish to portray?

Resounding NO.

Would not a clean-cut, sort've Sean Penn type, not be a slightly better image?

As sad as I am to say it, mainly because I actually don't like being personally offensive to other than the Katmans of the world....And there's only two of them...Katman and my mother...

But Les, I'm sorry, but I find your mouth full of rotting teeth offensive. And at the end of the day, I probably represent a largish proportion of folk who would find similarly.

You are not the person I wish to have representing me on national television.

And given you have rolled over ahead of Nix Myth's 'very conciliatory' reduction in proposed levies, I don't want you representing me as a pissed off biker.

I'm going to put me efforts behind the Wellington guy who shares my belief that all targeted ACC levies are a sham.

Well if you don't want Les to represent you then feel free to start your own "Gay Bike Riders Club of New Zealand"....prick.

Oh and BTW the guy from Wellington feels exactly the same as Les does and shares exactly the same sentiments as Les, so please pull your head out of your arse before making comments like that, remember the guy from Wellington is a BRONZ member too, and Les has spoken to him more times than you've swung your leg over your very gay looking bike. Shitstain!

[NONONO]

dpex, That's the most despicable, shit faced post I've read.
Agree or not, who cares, but no need for that shit.

[wbks]

Lets get the whale rider girl on, pretty face, pretty clueless :lol:True that!



Bikers are generally seen by the wider public as patched, hairy, dirty, speedsters, reckless, mostly DIC, careless, space invaders (lane splitters) and generally as folk to be ignored before being flogged.

Is it not the case that we really ought to be presenting the 'best face' to our audience...ergo the public, in order to gain their support?

And so here's the question.....

Does Les, with his mouth filled with clearly rotting teeth.....which I notice the TV cameras seem to be linked.....present the image we wish to portray?

Resounding NO. I should hope you're a male model before you go saying things like that. You sound pretty butt hurt that virtually everyone on this forum disagrees with you pretty strongly, but don't stoop to personal attacks... Unless you're going back on changing the "hairy, dirty... and folk to be ignored", 'cause that'd be pretty hypocritical



hahaha. No.. He just pushed my buttons on a bad day. Anyone that didnt contribute to talking with media like Les or Peter, and then goes and writes that they are pissed off with those two, Doesnt deserve to be alive on the same planet as them.

You're pretty fucking uppity for someone that was crying about their parents rules on KB not too long ago. Is that your contribution that earns you the right to be alive on the same planet as Les and Peter?

[Genestho]

Is it not the case that we really ought to be presenting the 'best face' to our audience...ergo the public, in order to gain their support?



So, is this thread/post indicative of your best face?

[Hanne]

So, is this thread/post indicative of your best face?

+1 :P

This thread gave me an idea to replace 'dancing with the stars', it's called 'Parliament's Next Top Model'. Think my vote is with... Rodney Hide?

[wingrider]

Yeah well, you lot can keep blowing smoke up Les's arse for as long as you like, but the facts remain.

1. Les arranged a couple of groupies....none of which altered the outcome of Smith's original plan.....And I was there for both of them.

2. Les got himself on TV. Smith did what he had already decided to do.

3. We didn't get a zero rise.

Now I'd like to ask you all a question, prefaced by the following....

Bikers are generally seen by the wider public as patched, hairy, dirty, speedsters, reckless, mostly DIC, careless, space invaders (lane splitters) and generally as folk to be ignored before being flogged.

Is it not the case that we really ought to be presenting the 'best face' to our audience...ergo the public, in order to gain their support?

And so here's the question.....

Does Les, with his mouth filled with clearly rotting teeth.....which I notice the TV cameras seem to be linked.....present the image we wish to portray?

Resounding NO.

Would not a clean-cut, sort've Sean Penn type, not be a slightly better image?

As sad as I am to say it, mainly because I actually don't like being personally offensive to other than the Katmans of the world....And there's only two of them...Katman and my mother...

But Les, I'm sorry, but I find your mouth full of rotting teeth offensive. And at the end of the day, I probably represent a largish proportion of folk who would find similarly.

You are not the person I wish to have representing me on national television.

And given you have rolled over ahead of Nix Myth's 'very conciliatory' reduction in proposed levies, I don't want you representing me as a pissed off biker.

I'm going to put me efforts behind the Wellington guy who shares my belief that all targeted ACC levies are a sham.

AND I FIND YOUR COMMENTS RE LES OFFENSIVE!

If Les and Nick Smith were both in front of the camera and were asked to respond to the same given question, then I will take as truthful the answer given by the person who looks straight at the camera, who can give clear and decisive fact that he has thoroughly researched and has the evidence to back up his statements, rotten teeth, bucked teeth, no teeth even, unshaven and maybe even slightly dishevelled, rather than the guy who can never look you straight in the eye, smiles like he's trying to part with a silent fart, has the face of a drowned rat stuffed through a dunny brush, has done no research, has no factual evidence to back up his statements,lies through whatever false teeth he may have in his mouth and thinks he's gods gift to humanity.

A good bowl of alphabet soup and I could shit a better speech than anything I have heard from that shithead.

The cut of the cloth and a makeover still can not alter the body language of a genuine and honest person.

When you can stand in front of your peers and prove that you have put in the same or better amount of your own time and effort to match what Les has done not only for us bikers but for many others as well, then perhaps you will get the credit due to you.

You dont want les to be representitive of you?

Then get off your arse and put in the same effort and speak for yourself.

I believe you'll be a lone voice in the wilderness.

With an attitude like you display I dont want you representing me either.

[FastBikeGear]

dpex your post on Les is just simply offensive and ridiculous.

You need to sort out the image you portray with comments like that.

[StoneY]

Im not sure if deepthroat means me or Peter Mac?

I have my share of rotten teeth too, so fuckin what

And if its PM he wants representing him, just join Ulysses

DPEX, I suggest you quit now, no one cares for your prejudice
Les has done an outstanding job, who gives a shit if he has a pretty smile or not

No one rolled over, no one has quit the battle, only person I saw 'smiling' on TV was Peter Mac, as he agreed we had won...won what? Sure it LESS than originally toted but we always knew that was the tactic
PM does not speak for me, BRONZ does, that means Les
Im brand new to BRONZ...who the hell you think I am gonna follow in my lead? Les, Lars and Finn of course

Battle continues.

[Murray]

DPEX, I assume this means you didnt vote for Helen Clarke??

Are you living in a soap opera where everyone has to be good looking. I personally like the normal guy with the good, honest, reliable, salt of the earth and Mr truth look rather than the good looking guy with a sly, smirking, condescending and conniving look!

Your a dick

[Hopeful Bastard]

You're pretty fucking uppity for someone that was crying about their parents rules on KB not too long ago. Is that your contribution that earns you the right to be alive on the same planet as Les and Peter?

hahahah. My mother did not Stand up infront of Media when we started to get shafted. The 2 - Have no linkage. If they do correspond somehow, Pm me.

But anyone that argues for me and others in Media deserves RESPECT. That stuff that Dpex doesnt understand, Nor will get from me in this thread.

[wbks]

hahahah. My mother did not Stand up infront of Media when we started to get shafted. The 2 - Have no linkage. If they do correspond somehow, Pm me.

But anyone that argues for me and others in Media deserves RESPECT. That stuff that Dpex doesnt understand, Nor will get from me in this thread.He deserves more respect on the matter than some fatty (by the sounds of it) who offensively criticized Les teeth in a very personal way, in the same post he cried about putting your best foot (or face) forward. I agree. I was just semi-trolling at how funny it is you were talking like some kind of hopped up WoW nerd about who "deserves to live on the same earth" as Les and Peter, not too long after a thread about your parants rules on riding...

[StoneY]

wkbs, I think youve mistaken HB for dpex, HB has been pro Les/BRONZ all along, somehow both you and HB have crossed a circuit here

His (HB's) overzealous coments are always in Les camp.
WoW nerd, mums rules aside, he came on BIKEOI (that was HIS contribution) and has been onside all along, even rushing through his license tests to come on the ride
Fact is he passed his L test a day or so ahead of the ride, he would HAVE to have been the NEWEST biker at the protest! That alone desrves a little kudos

What gets me is dpex's bravado comment of 'I didnt ride all the way to Wellington to roll over'

Well guess what, Les rode all the way from Aucks, many rode further

When the argument and the thread turned against him (dpex that is) he got personal and brought the mans personal appearance into it, another mistake because despite any issues precieved by dpex with Mr Mason's image, a gentle, kind, working class grandfather type who's lifestyle was under attack was PERFECT, dentistry aside.
Anyone who thinks a 'spokeperson' should be spit/polish groomed and oh so nice looking, this is little old NZ not fucking Holywood

Les represents me, and I for one am happy with that fact
Lets quit feeding dpex' ego with side infighting, united we stand...with dpex at the lead we would fail, epically

[short-circuit]

This thread's as gay as fuck

[Mom]

But Les, I'm sorry, but I find your mouth full of rotting teeth offensive. And at the end of the day, I probably represent a largish proportion of folk who would find similarly.

What an utterly disgusting thing to say. I have made a mental note to myself to take a good, long look at you next time I see you and find some flaw in your appearance and make sure that I point it out. I may even take pics of it so I can show others.

What a shocker.

Just for the record, you do not represent me either.

[Pussy]

What an utterly disgusting thing to say. I have made a mental note to myself to take a good, long look at you next time I see you and find some flaw in your appearance and make sure that I point it out. I may even take pics of it so I can show others.

What a shocker.

Just for the record, you do not represent me either.

Big fat guts, and face like the south end of a north bound horse.... you can't miss him, Mom! :niceone:

[PrincessBandit]

I have not been in this thread for sometime and am appalled by the personal attack on someone who has worked so hard on motorcyclists' behalf.

Yet further proof that having dpox on my ignore list is a good choice as I now only having to see his dreadful vomiting when people quote his posts.

[wbks]

wkbs, I think youve mistaken HB for dpex, HB has been pro Les/BRONZ all along, somehow both you and HB have crossed a circuit here

His (HB's) overzealous coments are always in Les camp.
WoW nerd, mums rules aside, he came on BIKEOI (that was HIS contribution) and has been onside all along, even rushing through his license tests to come on the ride
Fact is he passed his L test a day or so ahead of the ride, he would HAVE to have been the NEWEST biker at the protest! That alone desrves a little kudos

What gets me is dpex's bravado comment of 'I didnt ride all the way to Wellington to roll over'

Well guess what, Les rode all the way from Aucks, many rode further

When the argument and the thread turned against him (dpex that is) he got personal and brought the mans personal appearance into it, another mistake because despite any issues precieved by dpex with Mr Mason's image, a gentle, kind, working class grandfather type who's lifestyle was under attack was PERFECT, dentistry aside.
Anyone who thinks a 'spokeperson' should be spit/polish groomed and oh so nice looking, this is little old NZ not fucking Holywood

Les represents me, and I for one am happy with that fact
Lets quit feeding dpex' ego with side infighting, united we stand...with dpex at the lead we would fail, epicallyI didn't cross circuits, I just made fun of them both.

[PrincessBandit]

I find it ironic that the incredibly rude personal comments about Les were made by someone bearing an astonishing resemblance to a Monica Lewinsky dress accessory.

[Morcs]

Woohoo I got to wave my red rep stick at Dpex!

Les is a legend - regardless of the outcome for getting up there and doing it.

[MSTRS]

I doubt there is anyone (else) as sensible, knowledgeable, unflappable and able to 'think on his feet' like Les.
Did I say that already somewhere in this thread? If I didn't, I'm only to happy to say it now.

[Ronin]

I find it ironic that the incredibly rude personal comments about Les were made by someone bearing an astonishing resemblance to a Monica Lewinsky dress accessory.

That is the funniest thing you have ever posted ;)




True too

[Mom]

That is the funniest thing you have ever posted ;)
True too

I think she should wash her mouth out with soap :killingme

[Pussy]

I think she should wash her mouth out with soap :killingme

That is PB's BEST ever, Mom.... even better than Katman's "suck my cock"!

[Skyryder]

I find it ironic that the incredibly rude personal comments about Les were made by someone bearing an astonishing resemblance to a Monica Lewinsky dress accessory.


I heard that she had a clothing label............THE STAINLESS LOOK.


Skyryder

[Skyryder]

I think she should wash her mouth out with soap :killingme


Yea she love this.

I ticked R the box but it did not work. Mind you it's only a stick of soap.

Skyryder

[Mom]

That is PB's BEST ever, Mom.... even better than Katman's "suck my cock"!

Honestly, that rates right up there! Funniest thing I have read in ever!

PB for site rudie in the best possible taste :pinch:

[dpex]

DPEX, I assume this means you didnt vote for Helen Clarke??

Are you living in a soap opera where everyone has to be good looking. I personally like the normal guy with the good, honest, reliable, salt of the earth and Mr truth look rather than the good looking guy with a sly, smirking, condescending and conniving look!

Your a dick

You actually raise a good point. It is the very reason those to whom the general public are daily glued, on the box, in the newspapers, etc, Is the fact that they look the part.

If you truly believe society has somehow gravitated back to the 40's when decency transcended image, then I suggest you wake up and smell the roses.

In 2009, the public responds to the smiling Adonis with the straightened pearly-whites....and it is the public to whom we plight our vex.

I believe Les to be a really nice, try-hard, sort've guy; in an unnecessarily disheveled way. But that does not lessen the fact that his image is less than is expected from the media-drenched public.

But hey! If you think Les is your best shot, then you back him to the hilt. Put your money where your mouths are.

Me? I'm going to back the guy in Welly who refuses to lay down and, moreover, presents a wonderfully clean-cut image for the public.

[Max Headroom]

Yeah well, you lot can keep blowing smoke up Les's arse for as long as you like, but the facts remain.

1. Les arranged a couple of groupies....none of which altered the outcome of Smith's original plan.....And I was there for both of them.

2. Les got himself on TV. Smith did what he had already decided to do.

3. We didn't get a zero rise.

Now I'd like to ask you all a question, prefaced by the following....

Bikers are generally seen by the wider public as patched, hairy, dirty, speedsters, reckless, mostly DIC, careless, space invaders (lane splitters) and generally as folk to be ignored before being flogged.

Is it not the case that we really ought to be presenting the 'best face' to our audience...ergo the public, in order to gain their support?

And so here's the question.....

Does Les, with his mouth filled with clearly rotting teeth.....which I notice the TV cameras seem to be linked.....present the image we wish to portray?

Resounding NO.

Would not a clean-cut, sort've Sean Penn type, not be a slightly better image?

As sad as I am to say it, mainly because I actually don't like being personally offensive to other than the Katmans of the world....And there's only two of them...Katman and my mother...

But Les, I'm sorry, but I find your mouth full of rotting teeth offensive. And at the end of the day, I probably represent a largish proportion of folk who would find similarly.

You are not the person I wish to have representing me on national television.

And given you have rolled over ahead of Nix Myth's 'very conciliatory' reduction in proposed levies, I don't want you representing me as a pissed off biker.

I'm going to put me efforts behind the Wellington guy who shares my belief that all targeted ACC levies are a sham.

All I can see in the above quote is "blah blah blah . . I'm jealous of Les . . . blah blah blah . . . I should be in charge . . . blah blah blah . . . why won't the media talk to ME . . . blah blah blah . . . "

dpex, you're not remotely sorry for what you've posted otherwise you'd have done it in a PM. If you actually have anything constructive to offer, it is so deeply hidden in the vitriol that for all practical purposes it's invisible.

[kiwi123]

You actually raise a good point. It is the very reason those to whom the general public are daily glued, on the box, in the newspapers, etc, Is the fact that they look the part.

If you truly believe society has somehow gravitated back to the 40's when decency transcended image, then I suggest you wake up and smell the roses.

In 2009, the public responds to the smiling Adonis with the straightened pearly-whites....and it is the public to whom we plight our vex.

I believe Les to be a really nice, try-hard, sort've guy; in an unnecessarily disheveled way. But that does not lessen the fact that his image is less than is expected from the media-drenched public.

But hey! If you think Les is your best shot, then you back him to the hilt. Put your money where your mouths are.

Me? I'm going to back the guy in Welly who refuses to lay down and, moreover, presents a wonderfully clean-cut image for the public.

The majority of people here are not under 20 and glued to the "E" channel watching some poster perfect twit, not only do most of us look for substance in peoples comments, we also recognise when someone has their head wedged up their arse. If you are so great why were you not in front of the camera instead of Les...... oh that's right, it would have meant coming out from behind your keyboard and actually taking some persnal responsibility for your actions.

Before you rattle on about someone elses success (or your interpretation of their lack of it) try and do better for a start to give yourself some crediability...... or just shut the.... (do you need me to spell the rest of this sentence out with a crayon??)

Well done les, I don't like paying more for the reg increases, but appreciate the efforts you and others have made on our behalf. Thanks!!!!

[Mom]

In 2009, the public responds to the smiling Adonis with the straightened pearly-whites....and it is the public to whom we plight our vex.

Me? I'm going to back the guy in Welly who refuses to lay down and, moreover, presents a wonderfully clean-cut image for the public.

In 2009 most of us are sick of plastic people. Sick to death of fake tits and artificially straightened/whitened smiles. Botox and bullshit be damned. We are not that shallow. Give us a real person that is standing up for something they actually believe in and for the greater good, not the party line they are delivering to advance themselves further up their carefully considered agenda.

You are going to back to the Welly guy? Which one is this? If you mean Stoney then he has been supported into his position by Les and BRONZ Auckland et al? He has the drive and determination to stand up in a fully supported way. Albeit he has a different approach and look, but they both share the same message.

[Ronin]

You actually raise a good point. It is the very reason those to whom the general public are daily glued, on the box, in the newspapers, etc, Is the fact that they look the part.

If you truly believe society has somehow gravitated back to the 40's when decency transcended image, then I suggest you wake up and smell the roses.

In 2009, the public responds to the smiling Adonis with the straightened pearly-whites....and it is the public to whom we plight our vex.

I believe Les to be a really nice, try-hard, sort've guy; in an unnecessarily disheveled way. But that does not lessen the fact that his image is less than is expected from the media-drenched public.

But hey! If you think Les is your best shot, then you back him to the hilt. Put your money where your mouths are.

Me? I'm going to back the guy in Welly who refuses to lay down and, moreover, presents a wonderfully clean-cut image for the public.

Not so, some of the most popular, powerful people in the world are are ugly as your opinions, which I suppose must give you some hope.

Your major problem here, if I may, is that you assume that everybody views the world through the same coloured glasses as yourself. You may be astounded to learn that this is not the case. Now as difficult as I know as it is for you old chap, you need to understand that in order to play with the grown ups, you really do need to accept that just because the words go through your head, does not mean you should type them.

Srysly

kthxby

PS

Your a cock

[Ronin]

In 2009 most of us are sick of plastic people. Sick to death of fake tits and artificially straightened/whitened smiles. Botox and bullshit be damned. We are not that shallow.

Hot Damn! There's hope for me yet ;)

[98tls]

In 2009 most of us are sick of plastic people. Sick to death of fake tits and artificially straightened/whitened smiles. Botox and bullshit be damned. We are not that shallow. Give us a real person that is standing up for something they actually believe in and for the greater good, not the party line they are delivering to advance themselves further up their carefully considered agenda.

You are going to back to the Welly guy? Which one is this? If you mean Stoney then he has been supported into his position by Les and BRONZ Auckland et al? He has the drive and determination to stand up in a fully supported way. Albeit he has a different approach and look they both share the same message. :sweatdropErr Mom,"fake tits",personally i am not sick of them........yet:Oops:

[Mom]

:sweatdropErr Mom,"fake tits",personally i am not sick of them........yet:Oops:

I did say most of us. I will give you the odd fake boob ;)

[candor]

OMG - unreal, get thee to California son of Schwarzenegger. I think DPex may have been hypnotised by that god awful acne cream infomercial thy run late t night with the repeat really annoying phrase - put your best face forward, you can' be happy unless you put your best face forward. It makes me want to kill that Lindsay Lohan freak. Dpex's type is the chick putting the best face forward - hook up? Ask Ridgey for the no. Kiwis still haven't descended to vacuous yet, there are imperfect people on the telly still thk god. Oh... I get it. I have an uncle who became like this after moving to Aucks... he lyks to boast about taking all the weather girlys out.

[mynameis]

rather than the guy who can never look you straight in the eye, smiles like he's trying to part with a silent fart, has the face of a drowned rat stuffed through a dunny brush, has done no research, has no factual evidence to back up his statements,lies through whatever false teeth he may have in his mouth and thinks he's gods gift to humanity.

A good bowl of alphabet soup and I could shit a better speech than anything I have heard from that shithead.



I find your comments about Dr Nick Smith offensive. I am deeply offended what now?

[StoneY]

You are going to back to the Welly guy? Which one is this? If you mean Stoney then he has been supported into his position by Les and BRONZ Auckland et al? He has the drive and determination to stand up in a fully supported way. Albeit he has a different approach and look, but they both share the same message.

Nah not me Mom I have 4 rotten teeth too, I dont meet DPEX's press image requirements

he OBVIOUSLY means that silver haired media brushed type, the one who smiled broadly and claimed the victory our BIKEOI (which occurred at the time he was in Hong Kong strangely enough) wrought.

The guy he backs, DID roll over, also misrepresented his members, and claims we have won the battle......
Epic fail by DPEX and his media wizz

Me and Les and the rest of BRONZ largely realize, the battle has only just begun, for fucks sake I for one am only on my second clip of .303 Lee Enfield standard 33 grain load full metal jacket ammunition.......

and my trench is getting deeper

[StoneY]

I find your comments about Dr Nick Smith offensive. I am deeply offended what now?

And how do you know WingR was referring to NS and not either John Judge or Nick Mclea?

HUH? come on ANSWER!!! :lol:

[mynameis]

AND I FIND YOUR COMMENTS RE LES OFFENSIVE!

If Les and Nick Smith were both in front of the camera and were asked to respond to the same given question, then I will take as truthful the answer given by the person who looks straight at the camera, who can give clear and decisive fact that he has thoroughly researched and has the evidence to back up his statements, rotten teeth, bucked teeth, no teeth even, unshaven and maybe even slightly dishevelled, rather than the guy who can never look you straight in the eye, smiles like he's trying to part with a silent fart, has the face of a drowned rat stuffed through a dunny brush, has done no research, has no factual evidence to back up his statements,lies through whatever false teeth he may have in his mouth and thinks he's gods gift to humanity.

A good bowl of alphabet soup and I could shit a better speech than anything I have heard from that shithead.

The cut of the cloth and a makeover still can not alter the body language of a genuine and honest person.

When you can stand in front of your peers and prove that you have put in the same or better amount of your own time and effort to match what Les has done not only for us bikers but for many others as well, then perhaps you will get the credit due to you.

You dont want les to be representitive of you?

Then get off your arse and put in the same effort and speak for yourself.

I believe you'll be a lone voice in the wilderness.

With an attitude like you display I dont want you representing me either.


And how do you know WingR was referring to NS and not either John Judge or Nick Mclea?

HUH? come on ANSWER!!! :lol:

Because I have two eyes and a brain and I can read and understand what about you ? :D

[StoneY]

Because I have two eyes and a brain and I can read and understand what about you ? :D

Ah I figured your reference was purely 'artistically' grounded :lol:

I spoke with NS in person on 31st at Parliament, again on the 17th

As a side, and to lighten mood, he really liked the Shithead
He was leading Trademe bids at the 31st, lol wanted it on his patio

Now, smarter people who really know their psychobabblebullshit can make the call...did he want it to destroy it, vanity, or to keep it out of Phil Goff's office?


:lol:
Kudos for the reply man

[outlawtorn]

You actually raise a good point. It is the very reason those to whom the general public are daily glued, on the box, in the newspapers, etc, Is the fact that they look the part.

If you truly believe society has somehow gravitated back to the 40's when decency transcended image, then I suggest you wake up and smell the roses.

In 2009, the public responds to the smiling Adonis with the straightened pearly-whites....and it is the public to whom we plight our vex.

I believe Les to be a really nice, try-hard, sort've guy; in an unnecessarily disheveled way. But that does not lessen the fact that his image is less than is expected from the media-drenched public.

But hey! If you think Les is your best shot, then you back him to the hilt. Put your money where your mouths are.

Me? I'm going to back the guy in Welly who refuses to lay down and, moreover, presents a wonderfully clean-cut image for the public.

Hey shitstain, please come along to the next BRONZ meeting, you are obviously so fucking brilliant, clever and good looking....shit we should vote you as leader and lord of every-fucking-thing related to bikers in New Zealand...no, wait, the WORLD! That's it, you are so good and fantastic and lovely with your firm jutting chin, soft wavey hair and sparkling blue eyes, you should rule the entire world of motorcycles and speak on our behalf...because we, the one eyed, drippy fucking morons who cannot a sentence together need divine leadership such as yours!

[FIDH]

Everyone likes to keep their shit together, and politicians are no exception.

[Katman]

Hey shitstain, please come along to the next BRONZ meeting, you are obviously so fucking brilliant, clever and good looking....shit we should vote you as leader and lord of every-fucking-thing related to bikers in New Zealand...no, wait, the WORLD! That's it, you are so good and fantastic and lovely with your firm jutting chin, soft wavey hair and sparkling blue eyes, you should rule the entire world of motorcycles and speak on our behalf...because we, the one eyed, drippy fucking morons who cannot a sentence together need divine leadership such as yours!

I'll take that as sarcasm then.

[sinfull]

Hey shitstain, please come along to the next BRONZ meeting, you are obviously so fucking brilliant, clever and good looking....shit we should vote you as leader and lord of every-fucking-thing related to bikers in New Zealand...no, wait, the WORLD! That's it, you are so good and fantastic and lovely with your firm jutting chin, soft wavey hair and sparkling blue eyes, you should rule the entire world of motorcycles and speak on our behalf...because we, the one eyed, drippy fucking morons who cannot a sentence together need divine leadership such as yours!


I'll take that as sarcasm then.
I'd take that as saying we will leave the letter writing up to David (Dpex) Or the reader would want to have sex with him !!

[drummer]

All i can say is Well done Les and Anyone else that was in the Media spotlight. You done me, And most likely everyone else, Proud! I congratulate you for all the hard work you guys done. Well done! :first::first:Absolutely

Congrats... there is more to do but so far....good work.. lets not muck it up

Peter

[wingrider]

I find your comments about Dr Nick Smith offensive. I am deeply offended what now?

Oh Gosh. I am so sorry you feel that way.
I have had to take shares in Hylin towels to wipe the tears away.

Your remark has really torn at my wooden heart.

Out of curiosity, are you the NS lookalike or the wannabee?

Oh dear, it looks like I need to find words to place an apology.

Maybe I'll get round to it when I can find a dictionary.

[Pixie]

OMG - unreal, get thee to California son of Schwarzenegger. I think DPex may have been hypnotised by that god awful acne cream infomercial thy run late t night with the repeat really annoying phrase - put your best face forward, you can' be happy unless you put your best face forward. It makes me want to kill that Lindsay Lohan freak. Dpex's type is the chick putting the best face forward - hook up? Ask Ridgey for the no. Kiwis still haven't descended to vacuous yet, there are imperfect people on the telly still thk god. Oh... I get it. I have an uncle who became like this after moving to Aucks... he lyks to boast about taking all the weather girlys out.

Jim Hickey and the TV 3 dude with the speech impediment too?

[Pixie]

Ah I figured your reference was purely 'artistically' grounded :lol:

I spoke with NS in person on 31st at Parliament, again on the 17th

As a side, and to lighten mood, he really liked the Shithead
He was leading Trademe bids at the 31st, lol wanted it on his patio

Now, smarter people who really know their psychobabblebullshit can make the call...did he want it to destroy it, vanity, or to keep it out of Phil Goff's office?


:lol:
Kudos for the reply man
Politicians are well know for their vanity.They were always the first in line to purchase Peter Bromhead's political cartoons,no matter how disparaging the content was.

[mynameis]

Oh Gosh. I am so sorry you feel that way.
I have had to take shares in Hylin towels to wipe the tears away.

Your remark has really torn at my wooden heart.

Out of curiosity, are you the NS lookalike or the wannabee?

Oh dear, it looks like I need to find words to place an apology.

Maybe I'll get round to it when I can find a dictionary.

I am way better looking than him.

[kwaka_crasher]

Would not a clean-cut, sort've Sean Penn type, not be a slightly better image?

Yeah, Sean Penn is a real idol. An angry little wanker who beats up women.

Hmmmm, actually that is probably the very reason you feel this kinship with his sort - he's representative of YOU, not us.

Fuck off.

[klingon]

I have just spent the evening sitting opposite Ixion, gazing into his eyes.

He has lovely eyes.

:love: *swoon*

[wingrider]

I have just spent the evening sitting opposite Ixion, gazing into his eyes.

He has lovely eyes.

:love: *swoon*

AHHHHH.... But who blinked first??