John vs dog

[N4CR]

John has just informed me by text that he crashed into a dog and to post it on Kiwibiker.

100kmh and a dog runs out in front.. 'they' (not sure who) are now tracking down the dog's owner (apparently a hunter) so they can pay for new fairings and other damaged parts etc.. not sure what process this will go though.

Apart from this I don't know much more except that John wanted all the Whangarae people to know!

He is fine apart from 2 popped knees (sadly this has happened before on bikes :no: ).

Hopefully he will be on tonight to post the whole story.

GET HER AND YOURSELF FIXED UP SOON JOHN :niceone:

-Tristan

[Fart]

I knew someone that crashed after sliding over a pile of dog shit doing over 160km/h.

[StoneChucker]

Firstly, glad you're ok John (apart from your gammy knees). Hope you fix them, and your bike soon as.

:mad: NOW :mad:
Fucken in-bred, uncivilised, 3rd-world SCUM that think it's all good to let their dogs run around free. I would SERIOUSLY rather hit the owner than his dog (IF I had to hit one, and if it wasn't my fault). These sorts of people don't deserve the gratification animals give to us.

I can only hope it was instant for the poor pooch. And to the hunter:

Don't worry about it mate, no hassles. Just go pick up another dog tomorrow, fuck there's heaps of them around, you can let the next one run free too...

:puke: :puke: :puke:

[crashe]

Yikes..... I do hope that John is gonna be ok....

Not sure what you mean by "popped Knees" thou.

Ummm did the dog survive..... ?
And I hope that they do find the dog's owner and make them pay for all costs.
As its not the dogs fault that the dog was loose, that falls on the dog's owner.

[justsomeguy]

Oh Noooooooooo:no: Johnno............. shit mate.......:no:

Hope you heal up soon:niceone:

And tristank can you elaborate on "popped knees"...............

Damn WTF is this KB Bin month or what????:mad:

Thats KB No. 5 that's been down.....

Jeeze John hope to hear from you ASAP..

What's the bike like?????

And did the poor pooch survive???

FUCKING OWNER...... feel free to give us a yell if the guy gets difficult......:mad:

[N4CR]

Popped knees I'm fairly certain is the same problem where the kneecaps pop off and you get fluid buildup when they pop back in.... thats what happened last time anyway from memory.

The dog still LIVED O_o!

Fairing damage was all that John mentioned, so it may have just been a big long slide and hopefully not too much rolly poly from the bike (in terms of frame etc).

He should be on soon so he can tell the story I'm sure ;)

edit: and yeah I have had 3 very near misses (for every day riding to uni this week) and from the looks of things (and the other crash threads)... not everyone is having a lucky week.

[ajturbo]

:mad: NOW :mad:
Fucken in-bred, uncivilised, 3rd-world SCUM that think it's all good to let their dogs run around free. I would SERIOUSLY rather hit the owner than his dog (IF I had to hit one, and if it wasn't my fault). These sorts of people don't deserve the gratification animals give to us.
ummmmm... all my dogs run free......:Punk:
BUT they tend to stay behind the electric fence... talking about the fence.....the TV earial is mounted on the ground, this blew over the other day, so i went to pick it up and reset it... got a boot just at touched it... this dumb bugger thought it was staict electricty.... ummm no it it was touching the FENCE oww, oww WTF..???? :laugh: :killingme

[jazbug5]

Bugger.

I really hope John/the dog/his bike are ok.
Thing is, -yes the owner is at fault: but isn't it common for country/farm dogs to run about without a leash? Assuming there aren't sheep about, that is...
It's horrible and sad and all, but how many times have there been posts on here about near misses with deer/turkeys/pukeko(sp?)?
So what is different about nearly missing or hurting a dog? Is it because it's a pet?

Just a thought.

(Don't hurt me, please. I have lovely soulful brown eyes and everything.)

[Antallica]

He'll be sweet, should have some photo's a bit later.

[Ghost Lemur]

Bugger.

I really hope John/the dog/his bike are ok.
Thing is, -yes the owner is at fault: but isn't it common for country/farm dogs to run about without a leash? Assuming there aren't sheep about, that is...
It's horrible and sad and all, but how many times have there been posts on here about near misses with deer/turkeys/pukeko(sp?)?
So what is different about nearly missing or hurting a dog? Is it because it's a pet?

Just a thought.

(Don't hurt me, please. I have lovely soulful brown eyes and everything.)


I'll stand up for you Jaz and agree.

To be a proponent of the "Motu theory". John's in ability to stop or avoid the obstacle is not the owners fault. Put it this way, would he be going after DOC for his repair bill if it was a bird or a possum?
Sometimes there's nothing one can have done to avoid an accident and that's why they're called that. But more often than not there is something to be learnt from it and some responsiblity to be born.

Still sucks to hear you had an off John, more concerned about this talk of knees than I am about the plastics. Sounds like it something that's happened before. Hope it's not leading up to serious problems later on.

[John]

Thanks guys and thanks dufig (trissy) for that :D

Yea just a quick post, I'm ok needed to get an ambulance really but I will get sorted tommorrow, I couldnt walk until I poped my knee caps back in but thats ok.

Sad thing is about the dog, it was in good spirts but I got real upset because I dont like the idea of hurting a dog, I have a funny feeling it will be put down :'(

My bike, let me think I am in tears :lol:

Lifes a bitch, the irony being I was testing my new XEnoN light bulbs, werent strong enough I guess, I will compose a big post after this for those interested..

[John]

I'll stand up for you Jaz and agree.

To be a proponent of the "Motu theory". John's in ability to stop or avoid the obstacle is not the owners fault. Put it this way, would he be going after DOC for his repair bill if it was a bird or a possum?
Sometimes there's nothing one can have done to avoid an accident and that's why they're called that. But more often than not there is something to be learnt from it and some responsiblity to be born.

Still sucks to hear you had an off John, more concerned about this talk of knees than I am about the plastics. Sounds like it something that's happened before. Hope it's not leading up to serious problems later on.
Think you will find there are laws to do with dog control. I>E MUST BE IN A FENCED AREA.

I wouldnt have cared if it was another wild animal(i would have just stopped and put it to rest then made a grave for it), But I'd like to punish the bastards that let a dog go running down a main road IN a town.

At the moment my mood has gotten much worse, If you badmouth me - avoid me for life. just a warning.

[Matt Bleck]

I hit a dog once, the bloody owner blamed me for speeding, and as he was quite a bit bigger than me and I had only a learners at the time, I nodded politely and left.. killed the dog though.

[jazbug5]

Think you will find there are laws to do with dog control. I>E MUST BE IN A FENCED AREA.

I wouldnt have cared if it was another wild animal(i would have just stopped and put it to rest then made a grave for it), But I'd like to punish the bastards that let a dog go running down a main road IN a town.

At the moment my mood has gotten much worse, If you badmouth me - avoid me for life. just a warning.

Mate, sorry- I think we had thought this was on a country road, and not in a town. In that case, the f*cker deserves to be nailed out in the middle of said main road. For a long time. Loose dogs in urban areas are a pet hate for me and, I suspect, a lot of us here- seen too many teeny kiddies toddling up to loose pitbulls... not to mention the danger to the dogs themselves.

Really sorry about your off and for the dog, poor thing.

*edit: er, danger to dogs from traffic, not toddlers. Usually, anyway.

[justsomeguy]

Glad you're OK John,

popped knee caps sound PAAAAAAIIINNNNFULLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!

Yes do give us the long version complete with pics, etc........

shit mate shit!!!! I just went to the plastic welder...... 1400 to repair the bike.......

and I'll need another 200 minimum to get another helmet...... FFFFFFEEEKKKKKKKK :angry2:
So that's around 1600...... no idea where it's gonna come from......then I got to spend to patch up my jacket and pants......

[gav]

ya might get $1800 for the mr2??

[justsomeguy]

ya might get $1800 for the mr2??

Really...... spent bout 9.5K to get it last May and another 500 for a few bits and bobs??

Why you making an offer??

[onearmedbandit]

100kmh and a dog runs out in front


I wouldnt have cared if it was another wild animal(i would have just stopped and put it to rest then made a grave for it), But I'd like to punish the bastards that let a dog go running down a main road IN a town

John, first up I'm sorry to hear of your crash. I've been down before (obviously) and it sucks. Hope you mend soon and get back riding. Hopefully you'll learn something from it.

Am I the only one to notice the above highlighted issue with this. 100km/h on a main road in town. If this true you are lucky you only hit a dog and not something more solid, or worse another person. That is why, if the posts by you and tristank are accurate, I hope you learn something from it.

[John]

Well, after fitting new xenon bulbs I thought I might go test them - going for a slow pootle heading out of town about 15k (magatapere for those who know) got to the BP and turned around, bike started spluttering at 100k as per normal (dirty tank me thinks) so riding home under heading into town just as I come to the outskirts where a 70kmph sign is I started slowing down then, I swear for the love of jesus christ himself a dog appeared - the poor bugger was sniffing the ground running towards me.

Next thing I remeber was seeing a close up of the road (look at helmet pic) then when I regained concousness, I could see the dog laying on the road wagging its tail, I felt like a kunt seeing that. and then I hear "get a hammer" I was abit upset to hear this as I thought somthing might be seriously wrong. I tried to get up with no success the jeans held together (no tears) but had both pop'd out :( AGAIN, got them back in an colapsed on the side of the road a very very awsome biker family (ZXR750 :yes:) helped me out and called the vet and helped the dog out.

After about 10mins I managed to regain myself and get helmet off pain everywhere I looked at my bike, and cant repeat what I said I was seriously upset at that point, but more concerned about the dog - with the help of the family they got my bike in the light of there car, and checked that the front wheel wasnt going to fall off etc.

Alot of waiting and me just thinking why the fuck is this always happening to me.

vet came and took the doggie away, It looked alot better than I thought although some blood on its face and a broken leg, I dont know about the spine though :no:

They offered me help to get home, and leave my bike there but I was determined to get home on the poor bugger and go cry to myself.

On the way home a dirty faggot reverses into my lane, I pretty much hadto lock the front well to stop in time, I was yelling and telling him what he should do with his pajaro, I just about turnt around and gave him a closeup of kevlar.

But thats my story, I dont know what to do - I dont want to ask them for money, but I'm paying the bike off and its my only transport.

Enjoy the pictures :yes:

Oh the bike flipped over and I was sliding down the road about 10/20metres, most of that on my face, but my leathers and helmet stood up to it, go leather :yes:

Also have a slight concusion as I'm puke puke and feel like utter arse :/

[John]

John, first up I'm sorry to hear of your crash. I've been down before (obviously) and it sucks. Hope you mend soon and get back riding. Hopefully you'll learn something from it.

Am I the only one to notice the above highlighted issue with this. 100km/h on a main road in town. If this true you are lucky you only hit a dog and not something more solid, or worse another person. That is why, if the posts by you and tristank are accurate, I hope you learn something from it.
Nah it was a 70k zone, I was slowing down, hit it at about 72kmph - its on the outskirts of town.

[John]

Btw, no lectures - some of you have insulted me enough on other threads so please dont do anything silly.

Its depressing enough to be called a lier.

[justsomeguy]

great things those helmets.............:2thumbsup

[John]

Just a damage report;

Swingarm is abit rooted, dented and dinged, was tracking all over the place on the way home (at the rear) so maybe bearings gone, or out of alignment from bent swingarm.

Fairing - as you see.

Engine has abit of damage, looks ok no leaking.

Forks look abit bent but its hard to tell with all the plastics on..

I will keep you posted.

[John]

great things those helmets.............:2thumbsup
Makes you wonder why people wear open face :(?

[justsomeguy]

Its depressing enough to be called a lier.

:mad: Oye!! It's spelt "l-i-a-r"

:killingme

Take it easy.... don't let the peeps piss you off...... you've had enough for the day!!

[justsomeguy]

Makes you wonder why people wear open face :(?

Cos they wanna look cool.........

Those sleeveless, open face Harley riders crack me up everytime..............

[John]

:mad: Oye!! It's spelt "l-i-a-r"

:killingme

Take it easy.... don't let the peeps piss you off...... you've had enough for the day!!
Oh thats out of context... I meant it as in - I erm.. um... lier in the bushes LMAO...

[spudchucka]

A Harley rider down my way hit a dog recently. Didn't fall off the bike but the poor old mutt was munted. The rider stopped to check on the dog and promptly got bitten on the face and had to get stiched up in Hospital. The dog had one of its back legs half off and it was about to be Glocked when the poor sod gasped his last breath.

[Bleck K6]

the jeans held together :/
Sorry to hear about your accident,Would have been good if you could have come on the ride this sunday.
We're you just wearing denim jeans?

[Sniper]

Sorry, to hear that John, hope all does well and things get better

[FEINT]

sorry to hear about that John. Hope all is well and you can be riding again soon.

[James Deuce]

Ditto what everyone else said.

Working dogs have to be restrained when they aren't doing their job, and well enough trained to not just go flitting after the latest distraction. I don't know where some of you guys get the idea that farm dogs are left to wander around from. A working dog that did that on all the farms I know would have a .22 round through the skull by now.

[Rainbow Wizard]

Damn WTF is this KB Bin month or what????:mad:

Thats KB No. 5 that's been down.....
I have deliberately kept my high speed gymastic display of last weekend quiet until last night. Anybody who attended Taranaki Rural Riders bash would have been aware but it seems (like their women) they like to keep things close to their chests.

Both man and machine a testament to brilliant engineering, and an appreciative audience of two (not only because they didn't have to scrape me off the road or prise me from the horns of a bullbar).

I have put le Voxan's rego on hold for four months while I build a set of custom mufflers that follow the curve of that beautiful rear end. Will also incorporate some discreet hard pannier clip points so that I no longer need to perch a pack on the back like a pillion. Keep that weight low boys, and always ride with a little in reserve so you can better handle the unanticipated.

[John]

Just got back from hospitial - just after I posted this thread I passed out and wasnt to well, just major concussion - looks like I'm at home for a few weeks :(

Sad thing was that when I just got back from the hospitial I found that the fuel tap in my bike had broken and it had filled my crank case with fuel so its well and truely foobared.

The dog is still alive which is awsome (well I think so!) have not found owner yet the vet is going to call when they find them for me so I'm sweet.

Thanks for all your help and support mucho thanks!

p.s I was wearing leather top (soft/hard padding one) and gloves and jeans and work boots, I came off real well considering that, and the fact that the poor bike rolled and could have landed on me.

Oh well keep safe out there, you just never know when "the wandering dog will make sport in your wheel spokes, remeber to tootle vigourously" :lol:

edit: 1000 posts :Punk:

[Ixion]

Not much of a consolation prize I guess, but you do now have a nice twinkly little starry thing to celebate your 1000th posting. :niceone:

[c4.]

Hey John, Bummer run of luck(lack of). :argh:
Have you got enough coins to buy a Lotto ticket tonight?
You must be due some good return soon. :niceone:
Stay positive, you didn't leave the scene in a bag, you will ride again. :ride:
I hope you manage to get some regress out of the dogs owner, though in my experience, :tugger: who don't care enough to follow simple decencies like controlling their animals, won't give a sh*t about paying for their damages either.
All the best mate.

[cammo]

Glad you're OK John,

popped knee caps sound PAAAAAAIIINNNNFULLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!

Yes do give us the long version complete with pics, etc........

shit mate shit!!!! I just went to the plastic welder...... 1400 to repair the bike.......

and I'll need another 200 minimum to get another helmet...... FFFFFFEEEKKKKKKKK :angry2:
So that's around 1600...... no idea where it's gonna come from......then I got to spend to patch up my jacket and pants......
my entire bike only cost me $1700........

[cammo]

Just got back from hospitial - just after I posted this thread I passed out and wasnt to well, just major concussion - looks like I'm at home for a few weeks :(

Sad thing was that when I just got back from the hospitial I found that the fuel tap in my bike had broken and it had filled my crank case with fuel so its well and truely foobared.

The dog is still alive which is awsome (well I think so!) have not found owner yet the vet is going to call when they find them for me so I'm sweet.

Thanks for all your help and support mucho thanks!

p.s I was wearing leather top (soft/hard padding one) and gloves and jeans and work boots, I came off real well considering that, and the fact that the poor bike rolled and could have landed on me.

Oh well keep safe out there, you just never know when "the wandering dog will make sport in your wheel spokes, remeber to tootle vigourously" :lol:

edit: 1000 posts :Punk:

if its screwed, will insurance cover it? if so then you can look forward to a new bike?

[StoneChucker]

I was working myself up (while reading the two pages of replies since I last posted on the thread) to go completely berko in my reply. I won't since no on gives a shit do they?... So, my opinion.

In town, in the country, on an island in the ocean and in fucking space: All dogs are required to be kept behind a fence, or otherwise kept safe and secure (from themselves and others). Because they are a pet? Yes because they are fucking pets. I can't think of anything that describes it better than that. They are OUR pets, they look to US for safety and sustainance. Besides, if you're a sadist and don't give a fuck, it's the law. They don't look to us to be shot in the head with a .22 on a farm, just because they act like dogs act.

Let me fucken tell you, don't anyone shoot a dog while I'm with you (barring a humane killing like Spud was talking about), I honestly don't think I could control myself :mad:

No one cares about birds, possums or whatever else you can hit out there because they aren't domestic pets, and noone has chosen to keep them as such. There is a big difference.

This MAY sound irrelevant to some, but why don't you let your toddlers run around the streets? I don't see that big of a difference.

[justsomeguy]

my entire bike only cost me $1700........

I'm seriously thinking of doing it up for another 600 and then selling it.... the next buyer can paint it......

Or just let it sit until I get around to it and get another bike......... man that CBR is a beaut.....

If only somebody would buy my bloody car!!!!!

[Ixion]

Farm dog ain't a pet though. Still, don't think I could bring myself to shoot a bad one myself. But famers can't afford the luxury of dogs that don't pull their weight. Guess I woudn't make a very good farmer.

[justsomeguy]

This MAY sound irrelevant to some, but why don't you let your toddlers run around the streets? I don't see that big of a difference.

I agree with you 100% SC.....some people are absolute feckers....... John make sure you get the owner of the dog to pay up.......

Can the legal beagles here please shed some light on Johns options???

[jazbug5]

Gah. *note to self: never post on KB when on the sauce*

Didn't mean to rile people up here. I think what I was getting at was, in part, the fact that I'd feel stink about killing any animal- even if it was unavoidable and there was nothing I could do about it. I sometimes find our attitudes to different species of animals hypocritical. Some we eat (well, I don't), some we keep in the house... that sort of thing. It wasn't a well thought out argument (I blame the sauce) but that's what I meant by it.
A good point, I suppose, Stoney- when we domesticate and choose to keep certain species our responsibilities towards them must therefore change.

As for the farm dog thing? Well, maybe I got that wrong. My dad grew up on a farm, and always used to say that was (in his view) the only 'fair' setting to keep them, because they could run around and get dirty and be properly 'doggy' and then come home for a feed and a fuss. My uncle's dogs ran about on his farm- but they were highly intelligent and very well trained, and would never have gone off the property. If there had been a sheep farm nearby, it might have been different. Back then, I suppose, there weren't half as many cars going past, either, so if a young dog got out and onto the road, well, its chances were better. It certainly wouldn't have done it again, though!

If I'm ever lucky enough to be able to have a dog in the future, I'd like to think it could have at least a little freedom. It would be a pity if they all ended up stuck in tiny gardens or worse, kept inside and not allowed to run about and get dirty, wouldn't it?

[StoneChucker]

Farm dog ain't a pet though.
Hehehehehhe.... Oh, wait, you were joking weren't you??? :puke:
Shit, you're like the South African farmer who has just been convicted of feeding one of his workers to a lion, as a "repremand"... After all, he was just working on the farm... :msn-wink:

Jas, hope you didn't read that as going off at you :no: Just my feeling is all :yes:
But, if you do get a dog there are lots of ways to let it have freedom. You can live in a house with ample garden space, and take it for regular walks. Or you can marry a rich scottish farmer and put a fence on the perimeter of the farm and let it run it's course. Either way, I hope you aren't thinking of letting it run wild.

Now don't get me wrong, I understand where you're coming from on the attitudes to different species of animals and on the freedom of pets issues. The freedom thing I agree with, but in todays society the safety of the animal and others must prevail. After all, our dogs have heaps of freedom and we don't have a huge house. They run around the garden hunting small, defenseless animals all day, and they have regular walks.

But I feel cows (for example) aren't quite in the same category. While they are animals (and therefore deserve equally humane treatment), they have become a major/integral part of our society. Yes I eat meat, and I like to think the cows/animal it came from was allowed to roam paddocks while grazing and is killed quickly and humanely. Most are in my opinion. Chickens are another story, but I hardly ever eat eggs anyway.

Dogs? Noone eats dogs, or cats or other domestic animal whose sole purpose is as a companion in life. (Oh, 9th world, uncivilised barbaric countries like China don't count)

[Ghost Lemur]

Dogs? Noone eats dogs, or cats or other domestic animal whose sole purpose is as a companion in life. (Oh, 9th world, uncivilised barbaric countries like China don't count)

Uncivilised? Barbaric? 1/9th?? :killingme

That's seriously the worst attempt at justification I've ever heard.

You know in India, they feel the same way about people who eat cows.

/stir and simmer on low for 45 minutes. :D

[StoneChucker]

That's seriously the worst attempt at justification I've ever heard.
Well, I'm not very smart so that doesn't surprise me.

I don't care what they don't eat in India. They are by far not the majority.

[justsomeguy]

Uncivilised? Barbaric? 1/9th?? :killingme

That's seriously the worst attempt at justification I've ever heard.

You know in India, they feel the same way about people who eat cows.

/stir and simmer on low for 45 minutes. :D

One of the Indian God's called Krishna came from a dairy farming community and the cow was his symbolic animal....... so people out of respect to him also respect cows as a holy animal..... they do not worship cows, but as a form of penance/sacrifice refrain from using them as a source of food and only use them to obtain milk.

That's the official line.

And in the hindu religion. You are allowed to kill any animal you like as long as it is for the purpose of food. Killing for pleasure, trophies is considered a serious sin.

[justsomeguy]

Well, I'm not very smart so that doesn't surprise me.



:wait:



I don't care what they don't eat in India. They are by far not the majority.

Nope I'm sure you bubba's are the majority in Wellington.

[Patch]

Me personally I can't stand these f**kers who let their mutts run free. We've got a couple of free range foxies that roam our street, they run up and down my fenceline annoying my two which gets on my wick. :angry2:

I remember when working on the farm (when I was a youngun) no dog ran free. It was either working or detained in an appropiate manner. Reason being if a dog was seen running across someone's land :ar15: bye bye dog.
Hard I know, but that is life.

As for dear ole John, may he rest and heal in time, change those bulbs, and inform insurance company of dog details - let them chase owner. Thats why we have insurance - peace of mind.

Rest up John :sleep: you'll need it.

I know it sucks but at the end of the day you'll ride again. Just be glad it wasn't some wanker leaving Sanson pub in his derg'd, unwof'd Valient Charger at midnight with no headlights, cause he's got eyes like a possum.

[Sutage]

After seeing those two helmet pictures, I hope anyone whos wearing a half-face helmet seriously considers a full face helmet. Also not lecturing, but if you had been wearing knee protection, do you think your knees would of get as fucked? Gear is so important !!

[James Deuce]

. They don't look to us to be shot in the head with a .22 on a farm, just because they act like dogs act.

Let me fucken tell you, don't anyone shoot a dog while I'm with you (barring a humane killing like Spud was talking about), I honestly don't think I could control myself :mad:



Ahhh bullshit. A working dog is not a pet. If it is let or left loose it will in all probability end up squashed under a milk tanker or a tractor. Worse case scenario they become stock worriers, in which case the owner faces a fine.

The only farmer I know who doesn't restrain his working dogs wastes a lot of money replacing them every 3 or 4 years, because my mother-in-law keeps running them over. Not deliberately mind. They dash out at her car from cover at the side of the road.

Her Staffie cross PET on the other hand is a pampered house living animal, that gets treated as you would expect a well-loved house pet to be treated. A working dog gets the maintenance and training it needs to perform its job. As soon as it is a liability it is replaced.

[John]

Yup, some very good points made here.

I worked on a farm most of our life, and no the dog isnt a pet, it is in aspects but becuase they dont get much human contact they cant really be called a pet, but farm dogs are our responsibility its very important that you take care of your animals on a farm - the reason that farm dogs dont get much human contact is because then it becomes worthless as a farm animal (as it gets to playfull and inefficent) that is why they are normaly caged up some where.

As for dogs in a residential zone, I'm still against it - YOU NEED A LARGE GARDEN for the dog to be secured and safe in! this is the owners responsibilty and upon registration of the dog they are bound by law to do so.

As for my pitty story, well I'm pretty screwed I cant move very well at all and have being stuck at home after I got back from hospitial this morning after the frantic ambulance run (that was so cool :D). As I said before my crank has filled with petrol so my engine is most probably rooted, I hadto act as fast as I could when I got back and managed (after 3 hours mind you) to take the tank off, normally a task that takes 2minutes, by the time I had done that it was to late the engine has filled up with fuel so bye bye :(

I called the vet, they have not found the owner but it seems asthough the dog is alive :) I also called the police so they have it on record if I have to take it to court I'm going to make sure the owner if we find him/she/it will never be allowed a dog again, I have to get down to the cop shop on monday to fill in the report :( that will be an interesting task.

I will also call the insurance company on monday and tell them, but the sadest thing is the fact that the bike is still being payed for I have payed about 2k of the worth of the bike, so I'm relativly screwed if its a writeoff thats why I need to chase it up.

As for the topic, its actually really interesting - some good points being made, other than one person who is making himself look like a dork in my eyes, trying to stir the mix up (not you jaz ;) think his name starts with ghost.... :(

sutage: yes I would have being fine in full gear, most people would have being fine in levis, but I screwed my knees up in hockey and rugby then all the crashes I've had :yes:

Rubber side down!

Actually when you think about it, that was a mean stoppie - wish someone recorded it :niceone: :bs:

[SPORK]

Well, I hate to think that this could of all been avoided if you hadn't disrespected wheel spokes :whistle:

[Gazzar]

Hi John sorry to hear about the crash but glad your OK. I hope you can fix up the bike and get back on it soon.

[SuperDave]

Sorry to hear about this man, bad fucken luck but good to hear that you arn't too seriously hurt nor the dog. Hope you get well and the bike back on the road soon.

I almost hit a dog today myself, locked the rear, managed to stop about 2 metres short of it, so glad I saw it in time. It shouldn't have been in the road, I noticed its leash, the owner must have been the careless lady walking a few metres up the road :mad: Thing is, I was not speeding and was going the posted speed limit.

[John]

Sorry to hear about this man, bad fucken luck but good to hear that you arn't too seriously hurt nor the dog. Hope you get well and the bike back on the road soon.

I almost hit a dog today myself, locked the rear, managed to stop about 2 metres short of it, so glad I saw it in time. It shouldn't have been in the road, I noticed its leash, the owner must have been the careless lady walking a few metres up the road :mad: Thing is, I was not speeding and was going the posted speed limit.

Bloody oth! what the hell is going on all these crashes and close misses are getting abit more common, must be winter blues comming on? :cold:

[Ghost Lemur]

As for the topic, its actually really interesting - some good points being made, other than one person who is making himself look like a dork in my eyes, trying to stir the mix up (not you jaz ;) think his name starts with ghost.... :(


Alright I'll bite.

I stand by everything I've said. It may be going against the grain of this thread, but so be it. But I will expand so as to remove any confusion.

I'm glad to hear the dog has survived. Have you or the vet reported the accident to the SPCA? As far as I know they have the ability to prosecute a neglectful owner. And an owner who lets their dog run free and therefore get hit would certainly fall under neglectful in my book.

Hope you're taking care of those knees. Have you thought of getting specialised protection for them to minimise the risk to them? Sounds like they could give you a shit load of trouble later in life if much more damage is done to them.

As for the two topics that I talked on. I still haven't heard you say what you could have done to avoid the accident. It's not about fault, I wasn't there I have no idea how it went down. What it is about is becoming a better rider. Whether it be oil or gravel on a corner or wild life, there are always ways to have avoided or minimised it. One of the things I've always liked about this forum we have is the ability to learn from others mistakes. When TS went down the road on the RGV due to a seized motor, it was said that the action to take in that situation was to clutch in and coast to the side of the road. Now personally that's not something I would have known (without first hand experience first) had it not been for what happened to TS and his willingness to share it with us.

Willingness of bikers to acknowledge they don't know it all, and that there is always more to know and new skills to gain, things to improve on, is a good thing.

On the topic of meat, I was illustrating that it is a cultural issue not a right and wrong thing. I do have little time for people who aren't willing to acknowledge what is on the end of their fork and where it came from. Taking a creatures life is taking a creatures life. I eat meat, and have no problem with acknowledging that an animal was slaughted for it. Even done it myself a couple of times. And yes in the right circumstances (ie starving with very little options) I'd eat a dog, wouldn't feel good about it but for survival I'd do it. The reason I'd feel bad though is due to the culture and enviroment I grew up in. Doesn't mean that another culture is wrong. Just different. Isn't that the great thing about this world. Diversity. For the record I had a dog as a kid and loved it to bits til we had to move. Don't have any animals anymore, got kids instead.

What's the deal with your insurance? Why would you not be able to get another? Surely you it should only work out to be the excess by which your out? It might be worth talking to the loan company and seeing if they're willing to roll the loan over on to another bike. Ie the insurance pay out gets you an new bike (probably with the money still going through the loan company) and then you reget your loan and get another bike.

Obviously you have more mechanic knowledge than me (not hard), but why can't the engine just be stripped down and cleaned? Wouldn't that get all the fuel out?

[Kickaha]

As for my pitty story, well I'm pretty screwed I cant move very well at all and have being stuck at home after I got back from hospitial this morning after the frantic ambulance run (that was so cool :D). As I said before my crank has filled with petrol so my engine is most probably rooted, I hadto act as fast as I could when I got back and managed (after 3 hours mind you) to take the tank off, normally a task that takes 2minutes, by the time I had done that it was to late the engine has filled up with fuel so bye bye :(
:

unless you've tried running it with the engine full of fuel i don't think there's any reason it should be rooted,drain it all out fresh oil and it should be ok,had it happen to my Ducati once and there was no ill effect

[Ghost Lemur]

Bloody oth! what the hell is going on all these crashes and close misses are getting abit more common, must be winter blues comming on? :cold:

Has anyone looked into the statistics for the year so far? Wouldn't like to see them myself, too many down.

Would be interesting to know whether it's actually more happening or just that there's more of us here.

Seems to be a shocker of a month that's for sure.

[SPORK]

Maybe, here might be a good idea for a feature, KB could have a "Bin Log" where you can update where, when and how you've binned! That way we could see where not to go, or who to feel sorry for?

[Mr Skid]

Has anyone looked into the statistics for the year so far? Wouldn't like to see them myself, too many down.

Would be interesting to know whether it's actually more happening or just that there's more of us here.

Seems to be a shocker of a month that's for sure.Every now and then there is a spate of crashes on KB.

People pontificate about the causes, discuss ritual sacrifice to appease the biker gods, then go about their lives after the threads grow cold..

[John]

Just for ghost, Well I'm not quiet sure about how anyone could have avoided it, it came from the side of the road and sprinted out - the only way I could have avoided it was if I wasnt out that night, but then the dog would have being hit by a car, and obviously killed - So I think the dog got abit lucky in the situation.

As for the engine, well thats the sad thing - I never realised that the fuel switch was affected and It was sitting for about an hour before I decided to ride it home, hopefully not a huge amount got in by that time - but I was feeling abit of a engine resistance, and temperture getting rather high - but I think because it was only a short trip the engine might be ok, I empty most of the fuel out and will send it to the mechs for a quote, just incase I need to do an insurance claim, they will definatley write it off and I'm not keen on them doing that I'd preferr to keep it because I will lose alot of money in the incident, I will be happy if I get enough money to repair the swingarm and get the engine sorted and just enough to streetfighter it, will be cheaper for all involved.

But yes I always have the options of getting a new bike and getting a extension on the loan, But I would like to avoid doing so as its only a 250 :)

Anyways this threads dieing so I will leave it at that, keep safe.

[StoneChucker]

Ahhh bullshit. A working dog is not a pet. If it is let or left loose it will in all probability end up squashed under a milk tanker or a tractor. Worse case scenario they become stock worriers, in which case the owner faces a fine.

The only farmer I know who doesn't restrain his working dogs wastes a lot of money replacing them every 3 or 4 years, because my mother-in-law keeps running them over. Not deliberately mind. They dash out at her car from cover at the side of the road.

Her Staffie cross PET on the other hand is a pampered house living animal, that gets treated as you would expect a well-loved house pet to be treated. A working dog gets the maintenance and training it needs to perform its job. As soon as it is a liability it is replaced.

Well, we obviously both feel strongly so lets just "agree to disagree" (even though I know you're wrong :laugh: )

Any dog still grows attached to it's owner, regardless of use. It's a betrayal of its trust/loyalty to shoot it or have it put down (I guess the first option is cheaper ey?). I think I've discussed all I can on this, besides, thinking about shooting something that has unconditional loyalty is making me sick.

[James Deuce]

Well, we obviously both feel strongly so lets just "agree to disagree" (even though I know you're wrong :laugh: )

Any dog still grows attached to it's owner, regardless of use. It's a betrayal of its trust/loyalty to shoot it or have it put down (I guess the first option is cheaper ey?). I think I've discussed all I can on this, besides, thinking about shooting something that has unconditional loyalty is making me sick.

You REALLY have the wrong idea about working dogs. They are not pets.

[StoneChucker]

You REALLY have the wrong idea about working dogs. They are not pets.
Ok, thanks for testiculating your point Jim :msn-wink:

:drinknsin

[James Deuce]

Ok, thanks for testiculating your point Jim :msn-wink:

:drinknsin

So you've worked on a farm then? You managed finances on one? You'd put fuel in a tractor that was unrepairable?

I don't think that dogs should be allowed as pets AT ALL. They serve absolutely NO purpose, especially in a city environment. Working dogs I get. Pet dogs I don't. Every time a toddler gets their face ripped off by a dog, and some dog loving nancy tries to blame the kid for teasing it I want to start pushing for legal methods to permanently ban dogs as pets.

[750Y]

far out! glad You're ok John. what a shit of a thing to happen huh.

[StoneChucker]

So you've worked on a farm then? You managed finances on one? You'd put fuel in a tractor that was unrepairable?

I don't think that dogs should be allowed as pets AT ALL. They serve absolutely NO purpose, especially in a city environment. Working dogs I get. Pet dogs I don't. Every time a toddler gets their face ripped off by a dog, and some dog loving nancy tries to blame the kid for teasing it I want to start pushing for legal methods to permanently ban dogs as pets.

Whew. Jim, firstly I just want to make sure you know I'm just having a friendly discussion here. Really. And, the testiculating post was a complete PT. :drinknsin

But, are you serious on that last post? FYI, the cases in the media of the toddlers getting bitten by dogs also say that the kids were unsupervised at the time AND/OR teasing the dog/poking it with a stick. What the hell do you expect... Parental supervision :whistle:

Look, you seem REALLY opinionated on this topic, and so am I. I don't want to get too heated here, you're a nice guy and I don't want disagree too strongly/much.

[Sutage]

I agree if with StoneChucker, if something was poking me in the face or being a general ass to me i wouldnt be impressed either, obviously as a human i have the mind to not lash out, but can you expect a dog to say 'hm ok hes just a young kid', course they dont think that

and ya, most cases were dogs bite are because of that, very few dogs will just bite a person

oh another thing to remember is when a kid looks a dog in the face its eye to eye, and when someone looks you in the eye its generally done as a threat or to stand your ground, dogs prob think the same!

[jazbug5]

Plus, a child is physically lower down, and therefore psychologically the dog is more primed to attack it. So, it's never a good idea to allow the two to run around each other, quite apart from toddlers' natural inclination to stick their wee fingers where they shouldn't.
I had facial scars for several years growing up because I escaped from our house when I was about 18 months old and followed a cat too closely (and apparently tried to grab its tail); no-one blamed the cat, not even me after it had been explained to me.

[Biff]

Glad to hear you're pretty much ok John.

[StoneChucker]

Thanks Sutage and Jazbug for those replies. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks the way I do. To me it seemed obvious, but I was starting to wonder...

Jaz, I didn't take you for the sort to be chasing.. um, nevermind :laugh:

[Shawn]

Think you will find there are laws to do with dog control. I>E MUST BE IN A FENCED AREA.

I wouldnt have cared if it was another wild animal(i would have just stopped and put it to rest then made a grave for it), But I'd like to punish the bastards that let a dog go running down a main road IN a town.

At the moment my mood has gotten much worse, If you badmouth me - avoid me for life. just a warning.


Hey john you take care and fix your baby up…
And sometimes some ppl have weird opinion (that’s why we are all different), just ignore them…
P.S That helmet is the best I reckon…I got one…the most comfiest and safest helmet I have even had which is under $1500.00

Good luck dude
Shawn

[Suney]

Glad you're okay John! Hope all works well and hopefully you won't be put into furthur debt and finding the owner of the dog.
Anyways whats the deal with those xenon lights? They look kinda blue (cool) in the last pic

[James Deuce]

So it's OK to make excuses for an animal that has been retained as a pet well after it's useful ness to a hunter gather society has been outgrown? There are limited useful applications for dogs in modern society.

As for the parental supervision cracks from the people with no children - meh.

It is physically impossible to watch everything that a child is doing every second of the day.

Anybody who sticks up for what is basically a wolf that has been fecked with genetically by the lovely "owners", and "breeders" for 10,000 years, over a defenseless child is just not thinking things through properly.

I'm no longer opinionated. I am dead set against dogs as pets from this point on. The attitude that it is OK for dogs to attack children is sickening, and before you answer to say that that isn't what you meant, that is the subtext of every post supporting the poor widdle doggies.

The fact that an unrestrained dog, used for hunting, hurt John and trashed his bike seems to be OK too.

Weird.

[chickenfunkstar]

Glad you're not too badly hurt.
Hope you recover quickly.

Hope you can get the owners of the dog to pay up.
There's not really any excuse for letting your dog run free.

[inlinefour]

If the person allows the dog to run free. Some people can be banned from owning pets you know...

[John]

Sorry to dig it up again, but I just had my heart ripped out and chucked against the wall.

I called the vet this morning to find the dog was taken home, and they cant give me the dogs rego now.

Called protecta, I will offically say these dicks are fucken tossers - I spent about 20mins on a 09 number listening to her explain that 'I dont know what to do', and that the accident will be considered my fault and it will cost 2000$ exess, which gives me 4k and still 7k of debt still go figure.

Then I called shaws, to come get the poor beaten and battered bike, oh wait the best part of my day is on the way.
Hydraulic locked - oh yes people! I dont have a bike :D (sarcasm)

I am calling the spca, I am making sure these FUCKERS (the vet told them to call me, like they fucken will after I saved the dogs life and all) never fucken own a fucken dog again.

P.s anyone got a zxr400 engine (electrics/carbs)? This looks like my only option to fix up the bike.

Cheers.

P.s yea the xexon bulbs are mint, so much better than stock! I found them on trademe, I dont know if there are any left, might pay to do a search!

[chickenfunkstar]

That sucks mate,

Is there any way the SPCA will give you the dog owner's info?
(Presumably the vet will give the dog's rego the the SPCA)

[jazbug5]

Could this now be a police matter?

This person has presumably broken the law: the police should have access to the information the vet has. You could have been seriously hurt: you certainly should not be considered at fault by the insurance company or anyone else. I can't believe that the owner can not be pulled up on this. Insurance companies can be *utter* scum.

[inlinefour]

As the owner of the dog that caused the damage to the bike, its my understanding that they are liable for the damage to the motorcycle. I'd definitely get hold of the Police and if you have not allready filed a report, then do so quick. If I'm correct, this should be a cause of your insurance company dealing directly with the animal owner. Your fault, yea right. Some people should not be allowed in customer service as whoever said that clearly has no friggin idea. :no:

[John]

Sorry again for the dig up; But at the moment, after all the crap thats happened this week (not just in my life) I have gotten some awsome news!

I managed to get to the police station (sucks having to walk so far!) and had a shitload of trouble trying to explain what happened with my retard disease I think he thought I was batty! but he was very helpfull and understanding big ups to the cops, they are tracing down the owner now for me.

Then I had a wander to shaws, and they invited me in for a good yarn about bikes n stuff, and helping me out with liability and such, then got home about 40mins later.

Then awsome mechanic - Mark, at shaws motorcycles (these dudes are bloody awsome and I owe them so much its not funny they are legends)
Gave me a call and said he had the bike running after 20mins of work, and also informed me that he modified the cam chain tensioner so it makes no noise, I'm utterly stocked about it!

He also has moved the plastics on to the repairer and they are being fixed, he also encouraged me to get a repaint! kawa Racing colors on the way baby!

He sent my nicely debaffled muffler (that they loved) to get a new *skin* mmm chrome... lol.

and is straightening the swingarm for me, and then checking all the bearings for me!

Thanks alot shaws, and all the support you guys have given me, its being a very very bad month for motorcyclests and I'm one of the lucky ones.

cheers.

[Mr Skid]

I managed to get to the police station (sucks having to walk so far!) and had a shitload of trouble trying to explain what happened with my retard disease I think he thought I was batty!
Try walking into an A+E and trying to tell them you think you've got concussion -

A+E Receptionist: "Hi there"
Mr Skid: "Hello... um.. ... ..."
A+E Receptionist: [confused look]
Mr Skid: [blank stare] ".... ... I've... um.. "

Thankfully I had someone with me who could form sentences to explain it on my behalf

Anyway, glad to see things are looking up for you John. Try not to get think too hard at the moment!

[John]

Try walking into an A+E and trying to tell them you think you've got concussion -

A+E Receptionist: "Hi there"
Mr Skid: "Hello... um.. ... ..."
A+E Receptionist: [confused look]
Mr Skid: [blank stare] ".... ... I've... um.. "

Thankfully I had someone with me who could form sentences to explain it on my behalf

Anyway, glad to see things are looking up for you John. Try not to get think too hard at the moment!
Amen, You had it worse than me I think - I just say random things most of the time like I was trying to say dog, and said wall, and some other things after that - luckly I managed out dog.

Try not to get think too hard at the moment!
shit that stopped me in my tracks fro of moment! :lol:

[jazbug5]

Fantastic news, John!
Great to hear you sounding all perky- if just a little confused...

[Mr Skid]

Amen, You had it worse than me I think - I just say random things most of the time like I was trying to say dog, and said wall, and some other things after that - luckly I managed out dog.

Try not to get think too hard at the moment!
shit that stopped me in my tracks fro of moment! :lol:
I can imagine how that might have caused difficulty at the cop shop:

John: "I was riding my bike and a wall jumped out in front of me"
Officer: [raised eyebrow]
John: [Retarded look]

[justsomeguy]

Glad you went to the cops...... those bastard insurance companies will always fuck around and try to see if they can get away without paying, no matter if they were at fault.....

hey they need the money to pay for all those skyscrapers they own.......

[N4CR]

I can imagine how that might have caused difficulty at the cop shop:

John: "I was riding my bike and a wall jumped out in front of me"
Officer: [raised eyebrow]
John: [Retarded look]


BAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! :killingme

And I can see that look John does when that sorta thing happens!


jeeesus... im hysterical now LOL

[John]

Lets all hassel the retard, it was pretty funny because he was the typical 6'5" and black as opposed to me 5'7" and white as a monkey in the crack jar, and I was making no sense and he thought I was joking most of the time.

edit: sorry said wrong thing

[N4CR]

Sounds like you need a bashing John. Dirty mind. :laugh:

Ohhh gowd I'm a little to tired now!

[NotaGoth]

poor dog.......







i mean...

Good to hear your ok!

:)

[John]

Hey I'm more glad than everyone that the dog is fine - infact I'm stoked I want to go pet the dog, shit I wish my mum didnt buy me that 18 pack of beer when she picked me up from hospitial manic depression brings out the drinking man

[N4CR]

And along that last post (kittie's) lines... reading the first post it seemed like I was more concerned about the bike :msn-wink: than john (putting bike first in the post) hehehe... Anyway.. hope she/you get better asap. Keep a progress log or something!

[John]

You love men.

[N4CR]

Incorrect you pothole master you!

Go stick some fluffy kittens in your baffles :devil2:

[John]

Incorrect you pothole master you!

Go stick some fluffy kittens in your baffles :devil2:
Yea I dont have any baffles I like them under the seat they keep my festive man toys warm

[NotaGoth]

Hey I'm more glad than everyone that the dog is fine - infact I'm stoked I want to go pet the dog, shit I wish my mum didnt buy me that 18 pack of beer when she picked me up from hospitial manic depression brings out the drinking man

Dog should have been taken off owner.

Just shows you got a real big heart to care that much about the dog :P

[danb]

Sorry to hear about the spill!
I am currently studying at Manukau Tech ((Otara)(Slumvill) at the moment and the amount of stray dogs you see around there is ridicules - One day someone had to get out of there car to get the dog off the road that as causing a huge hold up in peak hour traffic :mad: - In saying this in your situation - at least the dog was in the country where they belong :yes: .
I think it wrong and unfair to have a dog in the city especially if there is stuff all lawn and careless owners etc. Walking in shit on the footpath, dogs barking at night is just fu*ken wonderful. :no: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[John]

Dog should have been taken off owner.

Just shows you got a real big heart to care that much about the dog :P

I called the spca but they didnt care :mad: :no:

As for the heart thing, oh its such a pitty no other woman would realise that, just so *looooneely* :msn-wink:

[John]

Sorry to hear about the spill!
I am currently studying at Manukau Tech ((Otara)(Slumvill) at the moment and the amount of stray dogs you see around there is ridicules - One day someone had to get out of there car to get the dog off the road that as causing a huge hold up in peak hour traffic :mad: - In saying this in your situation - at least the dog was in the country where they belong :yes: .
I think it wrong and unfair to have a dog in the city especially if there is stuff all lawn and careless owners etc. Walking in shit on the footpath, dogs barking at night is just fu*ken wonderful. :no: :mad: :mad: :mad:
All dogs shouldnt be on the road full stop, but we cant do much about it just be extra carefull when riding at night I guess, nothing worse than being alone with a dead bike and no one to help you 200km from home, after hitting a dog, thats something that would wreak your day.

[NotaGoth]

I called the spca but they didnt care :mad: :no:

As for the heart thing, oh its such a pitty no other woman would realise that, just so *looooneely* :msn-wink:

*woulda taken the dog and given it to someone else*

its wrong but hey, rather see it go to a good owner rather than back to some knob who obviously couldn't care less bout the damn thing.

i work at heaven :msn-wink: jk lol

[John]

*woulda taken the dog and given it to someone else*

its wrong but hey, rather see it go to a good owner rather than back to some knob who obviously couldn't care less bout the damn thing.

i work at heaven :msn-wink: jk lol
But I'm to young to go to town alone :lol:

no seriously.....

But maybe I better go check to make sure that you REALLY dont work at heaven :lol:

About the dog, well I was pretty much in shock when I saw it lying on the road wagging its tail I thought thats a very happy dog, or a spawn of satan sending a signal to his spawns of satanist evil.

I really thought the dog was a gonner thats why I got it to the vet else If I knew it was ok I would have kept it for myself I would have loved a doggy :D

[NotaGoth]

situation - at least the dog was in the country where they belong :yes: .
I think it wrong and unfair to have a dog in the city especially if there is stuff all lawn and careless owners etc. Walking in shit on the footpath, dogs barking at night is just fu*ken wonderful. :no: :mad: :mad: :mad:


So long as you have a backyard, thats fully fenced. People let their dogs off forgetting their yard isn't closed in. Poor things go wandering all over the place.

As for John, just sad to hear summin like that happened cause of someones sheer stupidity.

Erm. Not John. The dog owner!

[NotaGoth]

it must of been trying to slap you in the face and say "take me home" lol

[John]

it must of been trying to slap you in the face and say "take me home" lol

well I was about 20metres down the road on my face, maybe it was dreaming about a female dog?? :devil2:

Shit I better just go away :no:

[Ixion]

Aw, how nice. A fine young man and a sweet young lady. :love: And from the same part of the country , too. :whistle: :whistle: "Matchmaker , Matchmaker, make me a match ... :whistle: :whistle: " . I like it

Don't mind me. I have this idea about extracting all the Michael I can, then filling up the gaps with oil, since I believe we're running out.

[John]

Don't mind me. I have this idea about extracting all the Michael I can, then filling up the gaps with oil, since I believe we're running out.

That is the funniest thing I have heard for the last 2 weeks you desirve a big pint of speights! :drinknsin