Accident

[george formby]

I have just been told of an accident between Opua & Paihia which happened in the last couple of hours involving a car & a bike. A number of fire appliances, police & a helicopter have been involved. No other info at the moment.
The prick who told me seemed quite gleeful that a rider had been involved. I won't go into the details of his cruel comments. I'm sure their will be pay back.
My thoughts & hopes to those who are close.

[crazyhorse]

Kharma will get him :argh:

Sure hope the rider is ok

[Katman]

I have just been told of an accident between Opua & Paihia which happened in the last couple of hours involving a car & a bike. A number of fire appliances, police & a helicopter have been involved. No other info at the moment.
The prick who told me seemed quite gleeful that a rider had been involved. I won't go into the details of his cruel comments. I'm sure their will be pay back.
My thoughts & hopes to those who are close.

Is it your intention to cause untold needless worry posting a thread like this?

Or is it just a medal you're after?

[colonel]

Kharma will get him :argh:

Sure hope the rider is ok

DITTO never good to hear

[inlinefour]

Is it your intention to cause untold needless worry posting a thread like this?

Or is it just a medal you're after?

Why would this thread cause "untold needless worry"? I think your just being a usual drama queen katman.

[Katman]

Why would this thread cause "untold needless worry"? I think your just being a usual drama queen katman.

It's happened a number of times on here in the past.

Everybody starts worrying about who they might know who might be riding in that area.

This idea of being 'The One to Break the News' is fucking pathetic.

[spacemonkey]

Or he could be posting due to being fucked off at that other persons attitude.
Get a grip you look like a drama queen. :oi-grr:

[inlinefour]

It's happened a number of times on here in the past.

Everybody starts worrying who they might know who might be riding in that area.

This idea of being 'The One to Break the News' is fucking pathetic.

Does everyone, can you speak for everyone here? I for one are saddened by the news and hope that its no one I know well. Im certainly not going to get worried, simply because it is a total waste of time. I honestly think that your moaning about this thread is what is truely F'ing pathetic. Do you have nothing better to do scatman? Ive not been here since the 3rd of September, but the first thing I see when I look in the forums, is you making an arse of yourself. Some things never change, do they.

[98tls]

Why would this thread cause "untold needless worry"? I think your just being a usual drama queen katman. Endless scenarios really,as in someone who rides that roads late blah blah.Fwiw the "biker down" threads give me the shits.If its someone close to you then theres no doubt you will find out in due courseIf it is someone close then wether you want to make it public is a personal thing surely and personally if it was me or someone close to me i wouldnt want it all over a website.All a bit ghoulish.

[Laxi]

yep I agree rider down threads dont do any good, especially when the details are non exstant like in this case

[XxKiTtiExX]

Back to the bigger picture....

I hope who ever it was is okay.

[inlinefour]

Endless scenarios really,as in someone who rides that roads late blah blah.Fwiw the "biker down" threads give me the shits.If its someone close to you then theres no doubt you will find out in due courseIf it is someone close then wether you want to make it public is a personal thing surely and personally if it was me or someone close to me i wouldnt want it all over a website.All a bit ghoulish.

I reckon its a good thing. Reminds everyone that riding can be a dangerous past time, especially with the increasing idiot factor on the NZ roads. Ive already had my accident posted, as you would know. The one thing that really helped me was everyone wishing Donna and myself the best. It really helped with my want to survive and do what was needed to get back home. The one thing that I wouldn't want to see is people bickering and arguing over the need for the thread in the first place. My thoughts are with the rider, family, significant others and friends. This would be the case if I knew the rider or not. If it was a local that I know, then I would be wanting to find out if there was anything that I could do. Besides, if anyone does not like a thread here, they are more than welcome to ignore it, ay. :zzzz:

[CookMySock]

This idea of being 'The One to Break the News' is fucking pathetic.As is your assumption that that is the truth.

Shit mate, the amount that you are unduly subscribed to what you believe, and then thoughtlessly act it out, is incredible. Not everything you believe is how it really is.

Steve

[98tls]

I reckon its a good thing. Fair call,i dont.Have to agree to disagree then eh.Anyways as you said havent seen you on here awhile,everything going well i hope.

[Edbear]

Does everyone, can you speak for everyone here? I for one are saddened by the news and hope that its no one I know well. Im certainly not going to get worried, simply because it is a total waste of time. I honestly think that your moaning about this thread is what is truely F'ing pathetic. Do you have nothing better to do scatman? Ive not been here since the 3rd of September, but the first thing I see when I look in the forums, is you making an arse of yourself. Some things never change, do they.


Fair call,i dont.Have to agree to disagree then eh.Anyways as you said havent seen you on here awhile,everything going well i hope.

Wot he said! How are you doing?

[Ronin]

Is it your intention to cause untold needless worry posting a thread like this?

Or is it just a medal you're after?

Fuck you can talk shit!

Surprised you haven't blamed someone yet.

[98tls]

Fuck you can talk shit!

Surprised you haven't blamed someone yet. ;)Ironic really considering the quote at the bottom of your post.

[Ronin]

;)Ironic really considering the quote at the bottom of your post.

LOL! Point taken.

Hoisted by my own petard.

[Jizah]

I saw it. The guy lost both his legs. One was left by his bike, another was 50 metres up the road. Most gruesome thing I have ever seen in my life.

[imdying]

Most gruesome thing I have ever seen in my life.And hopefully the most gruesome thing you'll ever have to see too :crazy: That's freaking hardcore though, would be a very sedate ride home after that I imagine.

[phill-k]

I saw it. The guy lost both his legs. One was left by his bike, another was 50 metres up the road. Most gruesome thing I have ever seen in my life.

I live up in Northland and was in Opua yesterday crossing to see a client in Russell - Also know a few riders up here, can't find any reference to this accident on line also note you are located well south, is the above straight up?

[Jizah]

I live up in Northland and was in Opua yesterday crossing to see a client in Russell - Also know a few riders up here, can't find any reference to this accident on line also note you are located well south, is the above straight up?

Yeah I wouldn't make something like that up. I am up here for holiday. Was heading back from Saltwater bar to Kawakawa at about 5pm when we saw it. The bike was in a ditch with the rider on the road pretty close it, and a car was parked on the left further up the road towards Roadrunner. The front right of the car was damaged so it looked like one of them crossed the centre line.

Someone put a blanket over the legs of the rider then proceeded to lift it off several to show all the other stopped spectators who asked about it. Not quite sure why they did that, but the images will stay with me forever.

[phill-k]

Yeah I wouldn't make something like that up. I am up here for holiday. Was heading back from Saltwater bar to Kawakawa at about 5pm when we saw it. The bike was in a ditch with the rider on the road pretty close it, and a car was parked on the left further up the road towards Roadrunner. The front right of the car was damaged so it looked like one of them crossed the centre line.

Someone put a blanket over the legs of the rider then proceeded to lift it off several to show all the other stopped spectators who asked about it. Not quite sure why they did that, but the images will stay with me forever.

Thanks for your reply - Shit

[Hiflyer]

Can't believe it only took 5 posts to turn into a shit slinging fest.

Just rellaaaaaaxx :calm:

[XxKiTtiExX]

Thats absolutely terrible....

[crazyhorse]

Not good at all. Sure would be a bit of a wake up call

[MSTRS]

Not good at all. Sure would be a bit of a wake up call

For who? The guy that lost his legs?
How many 'wake up calls' do the rest of us need?

We don't know who fucked up, but we do know that it's always the biker that gets hurt/dead...

(sorry KM - not trying to steal your thunder)

[The Stranger]

Endless scenarios really,as in someone who rides that roads late blah blah.Fwiw the "biker down" threads give me the shits.


For the sake of clarification are shooting threads ok though?
What about dead pet threads (yes there's been a few), are they acceptable?

[crazyhorse]

For who? The guy that lost his legs?
How many 'wake up calls' do the rest of us need?

We don't know who fucked up, but we do know that it's always the biker that gets hurt/dead...

(sorry KM - not trying to steal your thunder)

I would think the wake up call is for everyone of us who ride and think it won't happen to me -- which I would guess is um... well... EVERYONE! Yes MSTRS, me included

[yungatart]

I would think the wake up call is for everyone of us who ride and think it won't happen to me -- which I would guess is um... well... EVERYONE! Yes MSTRS, me included

The thing is...we should all be AWAKE every time we get on our bike...we shouldn't need someone else's misfortune to goad us in to the right headspace for riding, or to wake us up.
Complacency is your enemy!

[crazyhorse]

The thing is...we should all be AWAKE every time we get on our bike...we shouldn't need someone else's misfortune to goad us in to the right headspace for riding, or to wake us up.
Complacency is your enemy!

No we shouldn't, but unfortunately we are creatures of habit, and complacency is all to easy to happen.

That is why I have slowed down when I ride, as I have been riding for over 12 years and never had an off yet! I do not wish to have one and do not wish for anyone else to have one also. Therefore, yes, it does happen to riders, and we should keep it in our minds when we ride. :done:

[SPman]

For the sake of clarification are shooting threads ok though?
What about dead pet threads (yes there's been a few), are they acceptable?
Why not.
The more gore the better.......as long as it's not me

[avgas]

You would think that these types of things would cause the roads to block.
Were the roads blocked.
How did the legs fall off?

[yungatart]

You would think that these types of things would cause the roads to block.
Were the roads blocked.
How did the legs fall off?

Don't be such a rubber necker....FFS, a man has just lost his legs!
That is all you need to know...not every painful, raw detail. Take it from me, it would not have been pretty, nor painless.
Show some compassion...

[Grubber]

UN FUCKIN BELIEVABLE! How did his legs fall off???? Are you for Real Dude???

[inlinefour]

Wot he said! How are you doing?

Good and ready to go back to what I used to here, on a part time basis. I see that along with the old dipsticks, dribblers and those who post messages without much thought put in. There are plenty of new ones that don't know me. Like they said on the movie Jarhead, FREASH FKING MEAT!!!

Ive just read this thread and imo those who dislike this thread could be because they dont like the fact that riders in NZ are getting wasted. As long as people are saddened, despite having to biarch about a thead here. The fact is though, if your in the wrong place at the wrong time, then your riding abilities counts for nothing, nothing does. Your going to have the accident. If ppl cannot cope with that thought, then that tells me more about you, than anything else. If I could ride again, I would be the first one on a bike out of all of us. KBer would be far too policitly correct for me to ever take it seriously, if you was not able to dicuss the negatives of riding or anyone who has fallen badly. Too many warm fuzzies make me feel sick.

[Mom]

There are plenty of new ones that don't know me. Like they said on the movie Jarhead, FREASH FKING MEAT!!!

Oh oh! Best they take cover know before you hug them to bits eh? :lol:

It's been ages, welcome back.

[Edbear]

Good and ready to go back to what I used to here, on a part time basis. I see that along with the old dipsticks, dribblers and those who post messages without much thought put in. There are plenty of new ones that don't know me. Like they said on the movie Jarhead, FREASH FKING MEAT!!!

Ive just read this thread and imo those who dislike this thread could be because they dont like the fact that riders in NZ are getting wasted. As long as people are saddened, despite having to biarch about a thead here. The fact is though, if your in the wrong place at the wrong time, then your riding abilities counts for nothing, nothing does. Your going to have the accident. If ppl cannot cope with that thought, then that tells me more about you, than anything else. If I could ride again, I would be the first one on a bike out of all of us. KBer would be far too policitly correct for me to ever take it seriously, if you was not able to dicuss the negatives of riding or anyone who has fallen badly. Too many warm fuzzies make me feel sick.

Ahhh, we likes warm fuzzies... Oh, you mean...

And I guess it just wouldn't be KB without the unthinking reactionaries...


Oh oh! Best they take cover know before you hug them to bits eh? :lol:

It's been ages, welcome back.

Hey didn't I see you on the teev tonight? :cool:

[inlinefour]

Oh oh! Best they take cover know before you hug them to bits eh? :lol:

It's been ages, welcome back.

Hey I just posted you a message. No way! Its always best done if they dont know me and dont see me coming. :lol:

[scumdog]

Just leave it until it's put in the newspapers.

That way it won't be terrible news to anybody like it is when somebody posts about it on KB, will it?:whistle::wait:

And Katman won't feel obliged to rant...

[inlinefour]

Katman won't feel obliged to rant...

That would certianly be a first and Im sure that there is some other unsuspecting smuck that he can pick on... :girlfight:

[Pussy]

That would certianly be a first and Im sure that there is some other unsuspecting smuck that he can pick on... :girlfight:

Make sure you tell the "unsuspecting schmucks" how you used to have several log-ins, and you would post to yourself telling yourself how wonderful you are.....

[Katman]

That would certianly be a first and Im sure that there is some other unsuspecting smuck that he can pick on... :girlfight:

Yeah, you'll do.



The fact is though, if your in the wrong place at the wrong time, then your riding abilities counts for nothing, nothing does. Your going to have the accident.

It's probably that belief that got you into the position you now find yourself in.

[MSTRS]

It's probably that belief that got you into the position you now find yourself in.

I'm with Inline on that one. Nobody is 100% safe on a bike, 100% of the time. Not even you.

[scumdog]

I'm with Inline on that one. Nobody is 100% safe on a bike, 100% of the time. Not even you.

And that's why I never get constipated when I am riding....

[Katman]

I'm with Inline on that one. Nobody is 100% safe on a bike, 100% of the time. Not even you.

And I don't believe that accidents are pre-destined.

Nobody is 100% safe from accidents at any time. It is how the associated risks are managed that determine how safe you are.

[MSTRS]

And I don't believe that accidents are pre-destined.

They are for some...or at least there are no prizes for predicting some riders' chances.
The rest of us, however, are still not immune, no matter how good etc we might be.

EDIT: You added to your post....that's what Inline and I are getting at.

[Katman]

They are for some...or at least there are no prizes for predicting some riders' chances.


That's not the concept of pre-destined.

What you are talking about is motorcyclists riding in a manner that makes them an accident waiting to happen.

[FJRider]

What you are talking about is motorcyclists riding in a manner that makes them an accident waiting to happen.

There are some who always manage ... by good luck/good fortune ... to always seem to be in the right place at the right time.

Over time ... this is (wrongly) interpreted by (some of) the same, to be because of their skill ....

[Katman]

There are some who always manage ... by good luck/good fortune ... to always seem to be in the right place at the right time.

Over time ... this is (wrongly) interpreted by (some of) the same, to be because of their skill ....

Sshhhh, don't tell anyone but I've got a guardian angel.

:wacko:

[Ronin]

And that's why I never get constipated when I am riding....

Never take robotusin before going on a ride. DAMHIK

[MSTRS]

That's not the concept of pre-destined.

What you are talking about is motorcyclists riding in a manner that makes them an accident waiting to happen.

You brought that up. Not Inline, or me. There is a big difference in the 2 concepts...
Inline stated (and I agreed with him) that no matter how good a rider one is, whether that be skilled bike control, sensible riding behaviour, or skilled observation and avoidance of hazards immediate or potential (any or all of these)...there MAY come an event that will over-ride any of that rider's abilities and THEN disaster may well be assured. It's not pre-destined or even likely...but it is possible.

[Katman]

Inline stated (and I agreed with him) that no matter how good a rider one is, whether that be skilled bike control, sensible riding behaviour, or skilled observation and avoidance of hazards immediate or potential (any or all of these)...there MAY come an event that will over-ride any of that rider's abilities and THEN disaster may well be assured. It's not pre-destined or even likely...but it is possible.

Yeah, you keep believing that John if it makes you feel better.

Me? I'd prefer to concentrate on calling on any skill I might have to fight it out to the bitter end instead of rolling over and saying "Oh well, it was written in the stars".

[MSTRS]

*sigh* - who said one should just give up when it goes to custard?

[Katman]

*sigh* - who said one should just give up when it goes to custard?

I believe Inlinefour said "when you're in the wrong place at the wrong time there is nothing you can do about it".

I thought you were agreeing with him.

[MSTRS]

I was. In the sense that should something happen...no matter how good you are or what you do to get out of it...potentially there are times when you will be toast.

[Katman]

I was. In the sense that should something happen...no matter how good you are or what you do to get out of it...potentially there are times when you will be toast.

That's a nice easy cop-out.

[MSTRS]

Not a cop out. Just realistic.

[Katman]

Not a cop out. Just realistic.

You take the low easy road........

......and I'll take the high road.

:msn-wink:

[MSTRS]

Och, dinnae gie yersel' airs 'n' graces. Yer jobbies stink jus' the same as oors...

[scumdog]

I was. In the sense that should something happen...no matter how good you are or what you do to get out of it...potentially there are times when you will be toast.

Like when a camper van veers across the road and rolls on top of you as you ride on the other side of the road??

Has happened, how could THOSE dead guys have done anything different??:yes:

[MSTRS]

Settle down SD, that'll upset the space/time continuum....

[Katman]

Like when a camper van veers across the road and rolls on top of you as you ride on the other side of the road??

Has happened, how could THOSE dead guys have done anything different??:yes:

I knew someone would bring that incident up.

Who knows - if there had been greater spacing between the bikes it may have turned out a little differently.

I'm not a retard - I understand that there are incidents where circumstances dictate that there is very little that could change the outcome.

But for people to sit back and claim that nothing can change an outcome is 'head in the sand' at it's worst.

[Nasty]

I knew someone would bring that incident up.

Who knows - if there had been greater spacing between the bikes it may have turned out a little differently.

I'm not a retard - I understand that there are incidents where circumstances dictate that there is very little that could change the outcome.

But for people to sit back and claim that nothing can change an outcome is 'head in the sand' at it's worst.

Which is totally different to your earlier diatribes ...

There is times where very little can change the outcome ... and how people ride does dictate the outcomes, but also how others behave on the road dictates what a rider can do within their capabilities.

The way you talk sometimes, no one should ever be on the road .. perhaps that is what you are looking for ... the latest proposals should make you happy. All bikes off the road by 2050.

[Katman]

Which is totally different to your earlier diatribes ...

There is times where very little can change the outcome ... and how people ride does dictate the outcomes, but also how others behave on the road dictates what a rider can do within their capabilities.

The way you talk sometimes, no one should ever be on the road .. perhaps that is what you are looking for ... the latest proposals should make you happy. All bikes off the road by 2050.

Do you understand the differance between 'nothing' and 'very little'?

:weird:

[Nasty]

Do you understand the differance between 'nothing' and 'very little'?

:weird:

Yeah I do ... its like the difference between being an arsehole and ... hmm being an asshole.

[inlinefour]

Yeah, you'll do.



It's probably that belief that got you into the position you now find yourself in.

How on Earth do you figure that out? Oh thats right, your just a troll and don't really contribute anything worth while at all. :crybaby:

[Katman]

How on Earth do you figure that out? Oh thats right, your just a troll and don't really contribute anything worth while at all. :crybaby:

And you're just trying to justify why you're a cripple.

[Nasty]

And you're just trying to justify why you're a cripple.


You just showed yourself entirely for the total ignorant fool you are.

Say what you think by all means .. but engage your fucking brain at some point.

[FJRider]

Do you understand the differance between 'nothing' and 'very little'?



Making the right decision at the right time ... be slow down/speed up/move left/move right ...all decisions are based on your level of knowledge/experience at that time.

Listen to the voices ... those little voices you hear when ...

[MSTRS]

You just showed yourself entirely for the total ignorant fool you are.

Say what you think by all means .. but engage your fucking brain at some point.

We can but wonder what his attitude would be if he found himself in such a condition, eh?

[Katman]

We can but wonder what his attitude would be if he found himself in such a condition, eh?

I wouldn't be crying that it was someone (or something) else's fault.

[wbks]

All bikes off the road by 2050.Sorry to be off topic (as productive as it is) but can someone tell me what all this 2050 stuff is about?

[Katman]

Sorry to be off topic (as productive as it is) but can someone tell me what all this 2050 stuff is about?

It will be reality if we don't sort our shit out today.

[wbks]

It will be reality if we don't sort our shit out today.
Who is trying to take all motorcycles off the road by 2050 and can I have a link?

[MSTRS]

I wouldn't be crying that it was someone (or something) else's fault.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, where the rest of us live - we know that it takes many factors combining just so, to create the conditions for an accident and how serious the result may be.
Oh, and I see you haven't met our friend Lady Luck. She sometimes makes a guest appearance. At the oddest moments. Or not.

[MSTRS]

Who is trying to take all motorcycles off the road by 2050 and can I have a link?

Check some recent posts by Candor.

[Katman]

Oh, and I see you haven't met our friend Lady Luck. She sometimes makes a guest appearance. At the oddest moments. Or not.

She's a scabby whore.

I make my own luck.

[MSTRS]

She's a scabby whore.

I make my own luck.

Good luck (sic) with that.

[Ixion]

There are anecdotal reports (no links, nothing official) of certain elements within what used to be LTSA (and is now God knows what), who have projected accident statistics through to 2050, which appear to factor in an apparent disappearance of motorcycle accidents. The implication being either that every motorcyclist by then is a clone of Mr Katmn, and thus none will ever crash; or that motorcyclists have in some (unspecified) way been forced off the road.

While I suspect that there may be some truth in those reports (I'm sure that some people at LTSA would LIKE bikes off the road), I very much doubt that such a program would be politically feasible. And most definately not after BIKEOI! . One corollary benefit of the success of BIKEOI! is that any bureaucrats thinking of taking aim at motorcyclists will be doing some hard rethinking. Bikers have proclaimed themselves a political force.

[wbks]

There are anecdotal reports (no links, nothing official) of certain elements within what used to be LTSA (and is now God knows what), who have projected accident statistics through to 2050, which appear to factor in an apparent disappearance of motorcycle accidents. The implication being either that every motorcyclist by then is a clone of Mr Katmn, and thus none will ever crash; or that motorcyclists have in some (unspecified) way been forced off the road.

While I suspect that there may be some truth in those reports (I'm sure that some people at LTSA would LIKE bikes off the road), I very much doubt that such a program would be politically feasible. And most definately not after BIKEOI! . One corollary benefit of the success of BIKEOI! is that any bureaucrats thinking of taking aim at motorcyclists will be doing some hard rethinking. Bikers have proclaimed themselves a political force.If an increase of pricing made such a huge reaction I can imagine the reaction if they made any move to get bikes off the road...

[Katman]

The implication being either that every motorcyclist by then is a clone of Mr Katmn, and thus none will ever crash;

And I won't even charge them a copyright fee.

[Katman]

Good luck (sic) with that.

Thanks, but I don't require anyone elses's best wishes.

[scumdog]

Thanks, but I don't require anyone elses's best wishes.

Well you're getting them anyway - and be grateful for it!:devil2:

[inlinefour]

And you're just trying to justify why you're a cripple.

Im not justifying anything. Your just being a troll and simply showing that apart from stirring shit, there is F all that your useful for. Well done and merry Xmas scatman.


I wouldn't be crying that it was someone (or something) else's fault.

You try to be a keyboard warrior, but the only place your great is in your mind, which Im sure is fuelled by the green rep you recieve. If you had a bad accident, which I hope that you never do and had to go through similar to myself, first the surgery in the public hospital, then rehab at the spinal hospital and two years later finally go home and have to do most of it yourself. I have no doubt at all that your feable weak mind would easily have snapped like a dry twig. I know a guy who was injured way less than me, had an awesome wife and kids. He couldn't cope with his disability and as soon as he got the chance, shoved a barrel in his mouth and bang. Thats you scatman, you live outside reality already and if it was to ever crash down on you, you would be screwed. A med review might be a good start for you, living in reality is a healthy thing and not bad, despite what your voices might say.

[inlinefour]

Make sure you tell the "unsuspecting schmucks" how you used to have several log-ins, and you would post to yourself telling yourself how wonderful you are.....

I have no idea of what pussy is on about. I had two logins when I joined kiwibiker, many people did which was years before my accident and the two profiles was merged together by spankme. I used to wind people up and stir sh1t to the extreme. Im guessing pussy got picked on and never got over it. I was almost 2 years in hospital and was only ever inlinefour. So what ever pussy is whinging about, he is just living up to his name. Maybe he needs to have his name changed to arse, because a pussy can be such a great thing.

[Pussy]

I have no idea of what pussy is on about. I had two logins when I joined kiwibiker, many people did which was years before my accident and the two profiles was merged together by spankme. I used to wind people up and stir sh1t to the extreme. Im guessing pussy got picked on and never got over it. I was almost 2 years in hospital and was only ever inlinefour. So what ever pussy is whinging about, he is just living up to his name. Maybe he needs to have his name changed to arse, because a pussy can be such a great thing.

You don't remember your alter egoes telling yourself how wonderful you are?
You have been caught out.
It takes more than a sad case like you to get under my skin

[inlinefour]

You don't remember your alter egoes telling yourself how wonderful you are?
You have been caught out.
It takes more than a sad case like you to get under my skin

Please enlighten me, simply because I have no idea of what your on about. There was "johnny rotten" that I used to stir with and "inlinefour", both being merged well before I ever had an accident. From then I didn't have much time for this profile and KB, so produce the facts. Posting that something happened does not make it so, it just suggests that your stirring also.

[XxKiTtiExX]

The guy lost one leg not both after a failed attempt at passing a truck on a bend. Turns out he collected an oncoming car driven by a friend of a friend.
She had her young son in the car with her at the time and is still very distraught.

[newbould]

Bikers have proclaimed themselves a political force.

Oooooooo I feel a new political party coming on - like the South island party only with wheeels on


On the positive side - perhaps they just put the last few years accidents in a graph and we fell off the Y axis in 2035

[Nasty]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3195682/Tourist-angel-saved-my-life

[Highlander]

Sucks that he was in that position, but GOOD ON HER for doing what she could to help. That is awesome. :clap:

[gammaguy]

The guy lost one leg not both after a failed attempt at passing a truck on a bend. Turns out he collected an oncoming car driven by a friend of a friend.
She had her young son in the car with her at the time and is still very distraught.

if that is the case,then i have no sympathy for the rider.I see so much of that stupid shit by bikers and i am not surprised that the numbers run out of lucky ones from time to time.

im off to Akaroa this afternoon and im taking the car.

Why?because its safer,and i dont have to expose myself and my passenger to stupid idiots ,(at least i have airbags and a steel cage on my side)and also because i dont enjoy riding as an exercise in urban warfare,as so many riders these days seem to do.

by all means ride fast,but do it safely.that includes not overtaking unless you have full visibility thru out the whole manoeuver.

keep racing moves for the racetrack.

[wbks]

if that is the case,then i have no sympathy for the rider.
Thatll keep him awake at night... Apart from the obvious

[gammaguy]

Thatll keep him awake at night... Apart from the obvious

good.the pain might remind him to ride safely in future,and preserve the other leg.

[wbks]

good.the pain might remind him to ride safely in future,and preserve the other leg.I'm sure, I was just semi trolling at the fact your opinion is so important

[dipshit]

I'm sure, I was just semi trolling at the fact your opinion is so important


Well there is no sympathy from me either. By and large you make your own luck in life.

There are too many motorcyclists that ride around like idiots.

[wbks]

Well there is no sympathy from me either. By and large you make your own luck in life.

There are too many motorcyclists that ride around like idiots.I know and I don't disagree with either of you, it just seemed humorous that he said it like "oh shit, did he just deny that guy sympathy? Yea, maybe we should put Marcel on suicide watch from now on"...

[dipshit]

Sucks that he was in that position

He should have thought of that then before he did something stupid. :weird:




but GOOD ON HER for doing what she could to help. That is awesome.

It doesn't read well that this was the 2nd time in 6 months she had practised her first-aid on a motorcyclist at the side of the road.

[onearmedbandit]

Nothing particular about motorcycles in regards to that. In every area of life there are idiots.

[dipshit]

I know and I don't disagree with either of you, it just seemed humorous that he said it like "oh shit, did he just deny that guy sympathy?


Or maybe if we stop automatically giving sympathy just because he/she is a "fellow motorcyclist"... more riders may take more responsibility for their own safety rather than riding around thinking their shit doesn't stink.

Motorcyclists are just as stupid as every other road user out there. We aren't special.

[Virago]

Nothing particular about motorcycles in regards to that. In every area of life there are idiots.

Even internet forums...?:confused:

[Highlander]

He should have thought of that then before he did something stupid. :weird:

Quite right, though doing stupid things isn't the sole domain of motorcyclists and somehow I don't think the result for him would have been a whole lot better had he done the same stupid thing in a car, and probably a whole lot worse for the other vehicles involved. I have in the last 24 hrs seen a couple of instances of cars passing cars that made me shudder at the stupidity.




It doesn't read well that this was the 2nd time in 6 months she has had practice her first-aid on a motorcyclist at the side of the road. Did you note that her father has been in a comma for quite some time as a result of a motorcycle acident?

[onearmedbandit]

Even internet forums...?:confused:

Well now that you mention it...

[wbks]

Or maybe if we stop automatically giving sympathy just because he/she is a "fellow motorcyclist"... more riders may take more responsibility for their own safety rather than riding around thinking their shit doesn't stink.

Motorcyclists are just as stupid as every other road user out there. We aren't special.Thanks for the lecture, but what does that have to do with what I was saying?

[onearmedbandit]

Or maybe if we stop automatically giving sympathy just because he/she is a "fellow motorcyclist"... more riders may take more responsibility for their own safety rather than riding around thinking their shit doesn't stink.



Do you really believe that? Seriously? That if we didn't offer sympathy idiots would stop acting like, say, idiots?

If we really want to curtail the number of accidents then I suggest we immediately make helmets, gloves, leathers etc illegal. Riders won't feel invincible wearing only a cotton shirt and jeans so will slow down. Those that won't will be killed off, lowering the costs to acc and making the roads safer for all other users, and mothers will not let their children ride a bike at all. Problem solved.

[Ronin]

Even internet forums...?:confused:

There is a certain users sig that needs changing:

Posting on the Internet is not inherently dangerous. It is however, EXTREMELY unforgiving of inattention, ignorance, incompetence, and stupidity!

[dipshit]

and somehow I don't think the result for him would have been a whole lot better had he done the same stupid thing in a car

I bet if he had done this in a car... and in particular a lowered piece of shit boyracer's car (and the outcome for everybody was the same)... that most here reading the article would have thought... 'good, deserves the wanker right'.

I don't view other motorcyclists as anything different or special just because they are riding a bike. When people in here are critical of the poor standards and attitudes of drivers on NZ roads... then that also equally includes motorcyclists.

[dipshit]

Do you really believe that? Seriously? That if we didn't offer sympathy idiots would stop acting like, say, idiots?

Yes, just like how giving less sympathy to drunk drivers getting caught and having accidents is making the behaviour less socially acceptable than what it was a generation before.

[onearmedbandit]

Yes, less socially acceptable. But guess what? Drink drivers are still drink driving. So therefore it doesn't work. Idiots will still act like idiots despite what the general public tut tut about.

[dipshit]

Yes, less socially acceptable. But guess what? Drink drivers are still drink driving. So therefore it doesn't work. Idiots will still act like idiots despite what the general public tut tut about.

You better go in here and tell T.G.W she is wasting her time then...
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=114815

However others may be encouraged that fewer and fewer people may be getting behind the wheel drunk, rather than every man and his dog doing it and thinking it a was normal "kiwi" thing to do.

[onearmedbandit]

That's strange. My grandfather enjoyed a good drink but never drove after drinking, and far as I recall he was a good kiwi bloke.

Don't twist my words. Of course we should campaigne for anti-drink driving, dangerous driving etc. But don't expect it to have a 100% success rate.

[dipshit]

But don't expect it to have a 100% success rate.

Of course not. What a bloody stupid thing to say.

[Katman]

I'd be happy to just see an improvement and a widespread desire to continue seeking improvement.

[wbks]

I'd be happy to just see an improvement and a widespread desire to continue seeking improvement.
This is an honest question: What are you always trying to improve on when you "cry" as everyone puts it?

[gammaguy]

I'm sure, I was just semi trolling at the fact your opinion is so important

forums are based on opinions.

even yours could sometimes be important.

then again...........

[scumdog]

Yes, less socially acceptable. But guess what? Drink drivers are still drink driving. So therefore it doesn't work. Idiots will still act like idiots despite what the general public tut tut about.

No1 son has just got back from China.

He told me the following

If you get done for drink-driving over there? - straight to jail for 15 days, no trial.

And you can tell your family via a letter.

He said that had really changed the drink driving atitude since his last visit.

He noticed more cars - less drink-driving.

[onearmedbandit]

Of course not. What a bloody stupid thing to say.

Of course it was a stupid thing to say. I just wanted to see if you could identify a ridiculous statement. Because sometimes after reading some of your posts I was starting to believe you couldn't