First racebike: 2-stroke 150ss, or 4 stroke 250?

[huff3r]

Hi, i'm keen to get out there and start racing. I have currently got a bmw race car, but the costs of racing a car are waaaay too high for a uni student so i am planning to sell this and take up bike racing.

I was thinking of starting out in something along the lines of streetstock, or minilights with the VMCC series. Just interested in some opinions as to what would be the best option both for a beginner, and to move on with. (If possible i'd rather have a bike which can do several classes).

So I've basically got a list including:
Kawasaki KR150 - Not much information on the net about these, anyone know the stats? (power, weight, dimensions etc)
RG150 - Not many local, and seem to cost $3-500 more than a KR
GSXR250 - More expensive again, but possibly more reliable?
CBR250 - A few cheap, fixable ones around so not too pricy
ZXR250 - Same story as CBR

I would also be using this bike on the road until i get my full licence (when i can be bothered going for it). Most likely wont race it until i've stopped using it on the road.

Another important thing for me is comfort, as i am 6'3" and 70kg, so quite tall and skinny.... i definitely do not want a tiny little bike.

Cheers in advance for your input :D :done:

[woodyracer]

ok the kr150 {the spoked wheel one] is ok, you can still do well on them but personaly i think they are ugly....so i wouldnt buy one. The RG's are great from what i hear, ive got the KRR150 which is a new version of the kr150 but it has mag wheels, more modern styling but they are very rare.

The kr has about 28hp at the rear wheel [from what ive heard again}

But if i was you, id get a hyosung 250 for the new minilight class, as the hyosung has a big feel,nice motor,good handling. Ive ridden the hyosung NZ factory 250 bike and its bloody great, the engine has lots of power, it goes around corners nice and most of all its brakes do what they are suppose to do. And you can run with the 150ss with them.

Those 250 4 cyclinders are alright but the racing for them is limited as they are too slow for F3 and they cant run with 250 twins,ss150......

-Max

[avgas]

RG150 or KRR150

Anything else is a pile of shit
Avoid air cooled, or 4-strokes less than 99cc per cylinder.

Plus I would own a smoker now - they will be extinct soon. And we will all have horrible diesels.

[huff3r]

ok the kr150 {the spoked wheel one] is ok, you can still do well on them but personaly i think they are ugly....so i wouldnt buy one. The RG's are great from what i hear, ive got the KRR150 which is a new version of the kr150 but it has mag wheels, more modern styling but they are very rare.

The kr has about 28hp at the rear wheel [from what ive heard again}

But if i was you, id get a hyosung 250 for the new minilight class, as the hyosung has a big feel,nice motor,good handling. Ive ridden the hyosung NZ factory 250 bike and its bloody great, the engine has lots of power, it goes around corners nice and most of all its brakes do what they are suppose to do. And you can run with the 150ss with them.

Those 250 4 cyclinders are alright but the racing for them is limited as they are too slow for F3 and they cant run with 250 twins,ss150......

-Max

Hmm... ok, the Hyosung is a little out of my budget :lol:
If i could sell the race-car quickly i'd be all for it, but not much chance of that...

[huff3r]

RG150 or KRR150

Anything else is a pile of shit
Avoid air cooled, or 4-strokes less than 99cc per cylinder.

Plus I would own a smoker now - they will be extinct soon. And we will all have horrible diesels.

Cheers, again i think the KRR would also be outta my budget, havent actually seen many around for sale!
So is the standard wire wheel KR150 comparable to an RG? Or a bit behind? I realise there will always be people with slower bikes etc etc, but i dont want a massive disadvantage if i can avoid it :D

[puddytat]

250 twin I reckon, but I would say that wouldnt I :rolleyes:
Fits right in a nationally recognised class .....

[huff3r]

250 twin I reckon, but I would say that wouldnt I :rolleyes:
Fits right in a nationally recognised class .....

So i should be hunting down a spada? Or a gpx? The GPX might be do-able, every other twin costs too much...

I'm very tempted based on price alone to get the KR, but perhaps i should keep slaving away and saving my pennys...

[RDjase]

If possible i'd rather have a bike which can do several classes).



I have got a 89 RGV250 VJ21 that you can race in Post Classic and F3 (have all the road gear for it)

I'm going to rebuild my pre 82 and dont need 2 race bikes

[xr-rider]

get an rg150. they are cheap and reliable. i reckon they are faster than the kr. also a rebuild will be cheaper than a 250

[Billy]

So i should be hunting down a spada? Or a gpx? The GPX might be do-able, every other twin costs too much...

I'm very tempted based on price alone to get the KR, but perhaps i should keep slaving away and saving my pennys...

Be aware that not all 250 4 stroke twins are eligible for this class.Check with MNZ for the list of homologated models before you rush out and purchase anything

[puddytat]

So i should be hunting down a spada? Or a gpx? The GPX might be do-able, every other twin costs too much...

I'm very tempted based on price alone to get the KR, but perhaps i should keep slaving away and saving my pennys...

Its a tough life man....

And its 50/50 on either SS150 or 250 Prolight twin I reckon as pretty similar in performance I think.....

As Billy points out , check what models are eligible for 250 twins,Spada's aint.

[huff3r]

Its a tough life man....

And its 50/50 on either SS150 or 250 Prolight twin I reckon as pretty similar in performance I think.....

As Billy points out , check what models are eligible for 250 twins,Spada's aint.

Ok, sounds like time to do some investigating... any idea where i'd find that info on elgible models? I've just downloaded the "rule change" introducing the 250cc 4-stroke twins class, but it simply says "Twin cylinder four strokes up to 250cc standard engines". Helpful huh?

[quallman1234]

Just get an RG150 and be done with it. Parts are plently available if you know the right people.

There's still a reasonable crowd of RG150's racing. About 20 active in the north island. I recommend doing a bottom end and top end rebuild (add 500 if you do it yourself) to be safe and know what condition the engine is in.
I disagree with the 4 stroke IL4 250's being more reliable, in my experience they have been worse because there's 4 things to go wrong and have usually been thrashed by newbs and not looked after properly. A good one for the right price, is far and few between.

I started when i was 17, with the VMCC scholarship. Too bad your a little bit too old for the scholarship, still nevertheless contact people like Billy and AJ (I can pm you there number if you would like), and have a chat with them. I'm sure they won't mind, you might be able to get subsided costs like entry fee's and so forth. There's is always mini-lites and streetstock 250. I would avoid mini-lites as this doesn't seem to be taking off.

Welcome to the racing world as a student. It sucks.
Too old for mummy and daddy to be paying, and too young to be making good enough money.

[huff3r]

Welcome to the racing world as a student. It sucks.
Too old for mummy and daddy to be paying, and too young to be making good enough money.


Thanks for all the great tips :D

Unfortunately i've always been too old for mummy and daddy to be paying, they'd much rather i enjoy a "cheap" sport like football...

Fortunately i can afford it, especially if i get a decent price for my car. bonus of doing stuff yourself, my car is now worth considerably more than i've paid for it :D

It's got to be better than sitting round home playing WSBK 08 on the playstation right? :bleh:

[quallman1234]

Wellington also has a great bucket racing scene. It really is a great place to get started, as well. Although a competitive bucket these days will see you at about the same price as an RG150.

www.bucketracing.co.nz

There's one at kaitoke, this sunday come along and say hey (I might be on a drz400). I won't be racing (My bucket is forever being developed into something i can use).

-Kyle.

[huff3r]

Wellington also has a great bucket racing scene. It really is a great place to get started, as well. Although a competitive bucket these days will see you at about the same price as an RG150.

www.bucketracing.co.nz

There's one at kaitoke, this sunday come along and say hey (I might be on a drz400). I won't be racing (My bucket is forever being developed into something i can use).

-Kyle.

Cheers, i was also thinking of getting a cheap bucket for a play, and 'cos the 2-day easter meet sounds fun :D

Unfortunately im working Sunday, else i'd definitely be there!

[steveyb]

You might also add into the mix Moto Academy NZ.
We are looking to have Streetstock or Prolight bikes for 2010 and fees can be made in installments throughout the year.
A fair option if you don't know what you are doing.
Also, you need to factor in buying your gear and your running costs throughout the year. The purchase price of the bike is only the beginning. Motorsport is not cheap, bikes included.
You need to do yourself a favour and buy good gear, not cheap rubbish, as you could get hurt.
We supply gear.
And if you are a student, you need time to study. Working in the garage fixing bikes/cars is a very poor way to try and get a degree. Believe me, I have 4, degrees that is.

www.motoacademy.co.nz

Cheers

Steve

[huff3r]

You might also add into the mix Moto Academy NZ.
We are looking to have Streetstock or Prolight bikes for 2010 and fees can be made in installments throughout the year.
A fair option if you don't know what you are doing.
Also, you need to factor in buying your gear and your running costs throughout the year. The purchase price of the bike is only the beginning. Motorsport is not cheap, bikes included.
You need to do yourself a favour and buy good gear, not cheap rubbish, as you could get hurt.
We supply gear.
And if you are a student, you need time to study. Working in the garage fixing bikes/cars is a very poor way to try and get a degree. Believe me, I have 4, degrees that is.

www.motoacademy.co.nz

Cheers

Steve

Yep, but working in a garage fixing my bike beats working 3 times as long at a job trying to earn enough to pay someone to do it! And i do realise it isnt cheap, but it certainly is a lot cheaper than cars! I will be getting reasonable quality gear that fits well, i see no reason to go for $2000 racesuits and the like, as many have proven the cheaper options are fine.

I dont think im ready to commit to something like the Moto Academy just yet though, as if i am arranging things by myself it makes it a lot easier to cut costs where i can (although not on the important stuff!), and if i do run out of money i can just take a break for a bit. I'm not entirely sure how your program works, but if it requires a full year commitment to enter all the required races etc then it might be a little much for me just yet... (maybe 2011 once i've saved up a bit more :D)

[woodyracer]

KRR150's are hard to find, i got mine from down south so im thinking there's a few down there. But trying to buy them is another story. The only thing thats realy compeditive to a krr150 is an RG150, they both are realy the only bikes you what to use in ss150 apart from the ITALIAN JOBS {cagiva mito, aprillia rs125}.......but they cost from $7k to $11k.....:(

You can pick-up a decent hyosung 250 for $4000.....then just get some tires {$500} and go racing :2thumbsup.......that a good path because the class for them seems to be taking off

here'e one, http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-258212106.htm

-Max

[quallman1234]

Since your not really ready to commit, just having a dabble. Head towards a road legal RG150.
I know heaps of people say it doesn't work having a road/race bike. But if done properly it can work. Its a bit pain in the arse changing between the two, but if you make some quick release brackets for the indicators for the rear and have a spare set of fairings, it would work nicely.
That way you can ride it as a road bike if you get bored (Not likely).
And another plus, they are way quicker than the GN250 and lighter too.

[woodyracer]

Since your not really ready to commit, just having a dabble. Head towards a road legal RG150.
I know heaps of people say it doesn't work having a road/race bike. But if done properly it can work. Its a bit pain in the arse changing between the two, but if you make some quick release brackets for the indicators for the rear and have a spare set of fairings, it would work nicely.
That way you can ride it as a road bike if you get bored (Not likely).
And another plus, they are way quicker than the GN250 and lighter too.

thats a good idea with the quick release stuff, i should of done that with my cbr125...., although if you ride a rg150 on the road your going to wear the engine out more, so you'll have to rebuild it more often.

[huff3r]

Since your not really ready to commit, just having a dabble. Head towards a road legal RG150.
I know heaps of people say it doesn't work having a road/race bike. But if done properly it can work. Its a bit pain in the arse changing between the two, but if you make some quick release brackets for the indicators for the rear and have a spare set of fairings, it would work nicely.
That way you can ride it as a road bike if you get bored (Not likely).
And another plus, they are way quicker than the GN250 and lighter too.

Cheers, sounds like a decent idea... i will have to keep my eye out for one going cheap. Not too fussed about changing between road and race, as i'd be upgrading to a bigger bike within a few months (basically whenever i sell my car) anyway so i could then dedicate the RG or whatever i get to the track :D

[woodyracer]

try this bike http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-257382326.htm

the newest RG ive ever seen, as they stoped makign them in 2000.....

[huff3r]

try this bike http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-257382326.htm

the newest RG ive ever seen, as they stoped makign them in 2000.....

Yep, ive had my eye on that... might have to wait a month or two for the funds though, still need another $1k or so :lol:

[gav]

The other option is an FXR150 and use that for bucket racing.

[huff3r]

Ok, so i'm still looking at the kr150 as a possibility, does anyone (anyone at all?) have any information on them?

Eg. Any difference between 1998 and 2001 models? does it mean anything special if it has mags instead of wire wheels? are mags any better than wire wheels, or not noticable difference, and why?

I figure if i'm only giving it a go for now there's nothing wrong with a slightly less competitive, extremely less expensive bike and i can always upgrade later...

[Billy]

Im no expert on them,But the earlier ones with the wire wheels are faster in a straight line than the RGs but they lack ground clearance.Racey Rider on here has been racing one for a while PM him for more info.If you do end up with one,I have a brand new pair of Bridgestone BT39SSs you could have for $250.00

[woodyracer]

kr150's are all wire spoked wheels, only the krr150 has mags. Im not too sure why mags are better but i know for sure they are.

For example at the first round of the PMCC summer series a kr150 {wire wheels} bet all the rg's and a $9000 aprillia.......so realy kr150's are still very compeditive, as the engine goes hard,

Also the victoria motorcycle club uses a kr150 for its scholarship thing.
Dont hesitate to buy one,

[koba]

kr150's are all wire spoked wheels, only the krr150 has mags.

Talking shit again...

http://images04.olx.com.ar/ui/3/84/77/48227777_1.jpg

[koba]

Ok, so i'm still looking at the kr150 as a possibility, does anyone (anyone at all?) have any information on them?

Eg. Any difference between 1998 and 2001 models? does it mean anything special if it has mags instead of wire wheels? are mags any better than wire wheels, or not noticable difference, and why?

I figure if i'm only giving it a go for now there's nothing wrong with a slightly less competitive, extremely less expensive bike and i can always upgrade later...

I may have an RG150 coming up for sale soon.
I can help with advice and all sorts of shit too.

PM sent.

EDIT: To answer the original question: Unless you already have a good running 250 I'd say go for the 'smoker.

[koba]

Yep, ive had my eye on that... might have to wait a month or two for the funds though, still need another $1k or so :lol:

That is on the pricey side.

[huff3r]

kr150's are all wire spoked wheels, only the krr150 has mags. Im not too sure why mags are better but i know for sure they are.

For example at the first round of the PMCC summer series a kr150 {wire wheels} bet all the rg's and a $9000 aprillia.......so realy kr150's are still very compeditive, as the engine goes hard,

Also the victoria motorcycle club uses a kr150 for its scholarship thing.
Dont hesitate to buy one,

I've already figured it out cheers, the "F" model came with mags, different expansion chamber and some other goodies... sounds like my sorta deal but time will tell... clutch is slipping in the car so that gets the $$$ first :weep:

[woodyracer]

yer the F Model coes with a streering damper,arrow mufflers, mag wheels, there one for sale on the vic club website.

[oyster]

Worldwide, there are apparently 15 models of KR 150! But in nZ I'm only aware of 3. The 98's are the wire wheel ones. In good nick and well jetted there are nearly as quick as a similarly good RG. The handling is VERY primitive and the 18 inch rear is a pain in the butt. However a good bike to start with if you're just 13 and only 35kg. We had a tiny little girl start and with a modified (we took most of the foam out) seat the KR was the only bike she could possibly fit. Then ther's the 2001 model. Still an 18" rear, but mag wheels and the later generation motor. These are called "race replica" " cyclone" models I think. There are a few about and they are a rocket. One of these won the Sports Fotoz Cup this year and no RG could get near it in a straight line. Dodgy handling tho. then the KRR. They still make these and the handling is brilliant but power is about equivalent or a bit less than the RG
The Aprilia has fantastic handling but is slow,(it makes sense being down 25 cc's to the 150's.) A good CBR 150 in bucket trim is quicker. Big chubby tyres look good but slow it down too. And DON'T blow one up, the parts prices are horrendous. And in road spec they do not like going straight to the track. The engine WILL blow up. They need heaps more oil and main bearings changed to C4 clearance. (So it's technically illegal then of course)

[huff3r]

Worldwide, there are apparently 15 models of KR 150! But in nZ I'm only aware of 3. The 98's are the wire wheel ones. In good nick and well jetted there are nearly as quick as a similarly good RG. The handling is VERY primitive and the 18 inch rear is a pain in the butt. However a good bike to start with if you're just 13 and only 35kg. We had a tiny little girl start and with a modified (we took most of the foam out) seat the KR was the only bike she could possibly fit. Then ther's the 2001 model. Still an 18" rear, but mag wheels and the later generation motor. These are called "race replica" " cyclone" models I think. There are a few about and they are a rocket. One of these won the Sports Fotoz Cup this year and no RG could get near it in a straight line. Dodgy handling tho. then the KRR. They still make these and the handling is brilliant but power is about equivalent or a bit less than the RG
The Aprilia has fantastic handling but is slow,(it makes sense being down 25 cc's to the 150's.) A good CBR 150 in bucket trim is quicker. Big chubby tyres look good but slow it down too. And DON'T blow one up, the parts prices are horrendous. And in road spec they do not like going straight to the track. The engine WILL blow up. They need heaps more oil and main bearings changed to C4 clearance. (So it's technically illegal then of course)

Ok, thanks for that information... umm yeah, unfortunately im not 13 and only 35kg, more like double that weight and 19yrs old... oh and 6'3"....

But i'll have a looksee and like with any bike, see if any of those on my watchlist fit me well enough and then go from there :D

[woodyracer]

13 and 35kg!!, i hope nobody has that weight advantage on me!

[xr-rider]

13 and 35kg!!, i hope nobody has that weight advantage on me!
one guy in particular at taupo will

[woodyracer]

one guy in particular at taupo will

who's that??

[Str8 Jacket]

who's that??

Daniel Mettam. He's the man! ;) I will be stoked if I can keep up with him round Taupo but sadly the best I can hope for is for his bike not to be working on the day....

[quallman1234]

What did you buy Max? Are you racing your "Streetstocker" or whatever it may be at taupo?

Daniel is about that size, he's not a bad little rider. No fear.

[woodyracer]

What did you buy Max? Are you racing your "Streetstocker" or whatever it may be at taupo?

Daniel is about that size, he's not a bad little rider. No fear.

i know daniel we had a good race at mt wellignton, hes a good rider.

Im racing my KRR150 at taupo, looking forward to it!

[avgas]

So is the standard wire wheel KR150 comparable to an RG? Or a bit behind? I realise there will always be people with slower bikes etc etc, but i dont want a massive disadvantage if i can avoid it :D
KR150 is nasty. You will have to be super competitive.
WAAAAAYYYY back in 98 when both models 'started' the lineup, not a single KR150 got in the top 10 on the track. Some guys modded to keep up with the RG's.
The RG is almost a stock race motor and needs very minor tweeks to deliver real world performance. However this said they are like mobile hand grenades and you never know when they will die. The KR was always more reliable.

[Str8 Jacket]

The KR was always more reliable.

Yep, I had the KR150F (cyclone race replica model) when I bought it it had 25,000k's on the clock (4 years old) and it had only had the rings changed during that time. I put another 50,000 k's on it and only had to change the spark plug a few times before I sold it still working sweet as.

I have lost count of the amount of times my RG has required a rebuild... :yawn:

[Billy]

Well I dont know what you people are doing that would make your RGs so unreliable,I raced mine for 18 months without doing more than gearing ,tyre changing and a general checkover between meetings.Maintenance is king with a racebike.Identify the problem areas and check them regularly,Dont wait for something too go wrong and then blame the bike

[Str8 Jacket]

Hey my RG did the whole winter series this year without so much as even a spark plug change... doh!

[xr-rider]

Daniel Mettam. He's the man! ;) I will be stoked if I can keep up with him round Taupo but sadly the best I can hope for is for his bike not to be working on the day....

you may have a chance. he wasnt that fast on saturday

[avgas]

Well I dont know what you people are doing that would make your RGs so unreliable
38 rwhp.....:eek5:
Bayride (used to be suzuki) ended up basing their RG racebike on it.

Admittedly I should have had the oil pump looked at. And I did ring the living shit out of it for about 20,000k's - so I can't complain really. Problem was after the work was done the powervalves seemed to only do any decent power after 10,500rpm.........so pretty much all my gear changes were between 10-13,000.......

Mabey Kwaka owners were just nicer to their bikes than I.....

[woodyracer]

you may have a chance. he wasnt that fast on saturday

he's pretty quick for a 13 year old thats for sure!

Im not realy aiming to keep up with him im aiming to beat him :sweatdrop
He's deffinitly a good person to race with as me and him have similar lines.

It will be my first time on a ss150 bike so hopefully ill get the hang of it quick as i did with the hyoslut ;)

[Billy]

38 rwhp.....:eek5:
Bayride (used to be suzuki) ended up basing their RG racebike on it.

Admittedly I should have had the oil pump looked at. And I did ring the living shit out of it for about 20,000k's - so I can't complain really. Problem was after the work was done the powervalves seemed to only do any decent power after 10,500rpm.........so pretty much all my gear changes were between 10-13,000.......

Mabey Kwaka owners were just nicer to their bikes than I.....

Yip,Well that explains it.That engine has obviously had the old 2mm off the top of the cylinder with a 1.3mm spacer under the cylinder to raise the port timing and increase top end power and close the squish up to .8mm.Unfortunately all that does is turn a reliable commuter engine into an unreliable, illegal racebike that is actually harder too ride and slower around a racetrack because it lacks midrange

[quallman1234]

It will be my first time on a ss150 bike so hopefully ill get the hang of it quick as i did with the hyoslut ;)

Stop talking crap, start proving it on the track. If you don't watch it, helen might give you a smashin.

KRR is a very nice bike, good choice. At the speeds of the north island streetstock club scene, either a KR or an RG can win. Its up to the prep (to make sure it goes ring-a-ding-ding) and the guy or girl on top.

[woodyracer]

Stop talking crap, start proving it on the track. If you don't watch it, helen might give you a smashin.

KRR is a very nice bike, good choice. At the speeds of the north island streetstock club scene, either a KR or an RG can win. Its up to the prep (to make sure it goes ring-a-ding-ding) and the guy or girl on top.

im not talking crap, im not like chaos, i always go racing and practicing ect.....

Ive just got to put a front bt39 on the bike and im off racing!!
The bike is well prepared and it sounds good.

What do you think of the aprillia's and cagiva's?

[xr-rider]

he's pretty quick for a 13 year old thats for sure!

Im not realy aiming to keep up with him im aiming to beat him :sweatdrop
He's deffinitly a good person to race with as me and him have similar lines.

It will be my first time on a ss150 bike so hopefully ill get the hang of it quick as i did with the hyoslut ;)

yer he is fast. what i was meaning was that his lap times on his rg were about 3-5 seconds slower than during the winter series on the KR

[woodyracer]

yer he is fast. what i was meaning was that his lap times on his rg were about 3-5 seconds slower than during the winter series on the KR

not suprising becuase kawasaki's are just simply better :whistle:


oh and honda's.....:cool:

[Str8 Jacket]

yer he is fast. what i was meaning was that his lap times on his rg were about 3-5 seconds slower than during the winter series on the KR

What you also have to remember is that the KR is alot smaller than an RG so he may have just been getting used to it....The RG is quite a 'whale' compared too other 150's. For example, my FXR is tiny compared to my RG.

[Racey Rider]

Daniel is about that size, he's not a bad little rider. No fear.

Yer we're working on that. If we ever get close enough to him again!

[Pumba]

Yer we're working on that. If we ever get close enough to him again!

The way he got bumped off the track at Auckland buckets last weekend I am thinking there must be quite a few of you:cool:

Poor guy was looking a bit unsteady on his feet after that one

[Racey Rider]

Im no expert on them,But the earlier ones with the wire wheels are faster in a straight line than the RGs
If I jet my Standard KR150a in the ball park for the days conditions, I can keep up with the fast guys on Standard RG's


KR150 is nasty. You will have to be super competitive.
WAAAAAYYYY back in 98 when both models 'started' the lineup, not a single KR150 got in the top 10 on the track. Some guys modded to keep up with the RG's.


38 rwhp.....:eek5:
Bayride (used to be suzuki) ended up basing their RG racebike on it.

Admittedly I should have had the oil pump looked at. And I did ring the living shit out of it for about 20,000k's - so I can't complain really. Problem was after the work was done the powervalves seemed to only do any decent power after 10,500rpm.........so pretty much all my gear changes were between 10-13,000.......


Yip,Well that explains it.That engine has obviously had the old 2mm off the top of the cylinder with a 1.3mm spacer under the cylinder to raise the port timing and increase top end power and close the squish up to .8mm.Unfortunately all that does is turn a reliable commuter engine into an unreliable, illegal racebike that is actually harder too ride and slower around a racetrack because it lacks midrange


and yet we still clap them when they walk up to accept the 1st place trophy.

Is it bad form to put in an official protest, in Streetstock class? I have felt it is.
Isn't it supposed to be a class where we're all friendly and work together?

I would like to see something done in the machinery checks side of things in SS at Vic club.
The club volunteers have enough to do already running the day. So would it be out of order for me (a racer in that class) to offer to team up with another person to get some checks in place? Cause at the moment despite what is said on the entry form, anything goes it seems, as No checks are made.
I know KR150's. AJ knows RG's. We could always check with others should we need to.
We'll make a list 'for discussion' of things that get done, right or wrong... (No Modifications seems to mean different things to different people) then hopefully everyone will know how there bike will be legal before the start of round One.
Racey

[huff3r]

If I jet my Standard KR150a in the ball park for the days conditions, I can keep up with the fast guys on Standard RG's








and yet we still clap them when they walk up to accept the 1st place trophy.

Is it bad form to put in an official protest, in Streetstock class? I have felt it is.
Isn't it supposed to be a class where we're all friendly and work together?

I would like to see something done in the machinery checks side of things in SS at Vic club.
The club volunteers have enough to do already running the day. So would it be out of order for me (a racer in that class) to offer to team up with another person to get some checks in place? Cause at the moment despite what is said on the entry form, anything goes it seems, as No checks are made.
I know KR150's. AJ knows RG's. We could always check with others should we need to.
We'll make a list 'for discussion' of things that get done, right or wrong... (No Modifications seems to mean different things to different people) then hopefully everyone will know how there bike will be legal before the start of round One.
Racey

Sounds like an awesome idea, i'd hate to be entering a series where i was disadvantaged by someone else's "interpretation" of the rules. The BMW Race Series my race-car is built for is having similar issues with people blatantly ignoring the "no modifications" rule...

[Billy]

If I jet my Standard KR150a in the ball park for the days conditions, I can keep up with the fast guys on Standard RG's








and yet we still clap them when they walk up to accept the 1st place trophy.

Is it bad form to put in an official protest, in Streetstock class? I have felt it is.
Isn't it supposed to be a class where we're all friendly and work together?

I would like to see something done in the machinery checks side of things in SS at Vic club.
The club volunteers have enough to do already running the day. So would it be out of order for me (a racer in that class) to offer to team up with another person to get some checks in place? Cause at the moment despite what is said on the entry form, anything goes it seems, as No checks are made.
I know KR150's. AJ knows RG's. We could always check with others should we need to.
We'll make a list 'for discussion' of things that get done, right or wrong... (No Modifications seems to mean different things to different people) then hopefully everyone will know how there bike will be legal before the start of round One.
Racey

Absolutely,Its about time somebody did.In fact Ive already made an offer too the both the Vic club and Pacific club regarding streetstock and part of the proposal was technical checks of random bikes throughout the series.I can tell you for a fact there are atleast 3 bikes in the middle of the pack last year that were NOT standard and if you were too talk to Peter Jones,Im sure hed tell you of atleast 2 bikes that finished in the top 3 in previous years Actrix series that he ended up owning that had been modified as I mentioned in my previous post.

On the subject re protest:If you think somebodys cheating,Then by all means do something about it.Be very careful about how you go about it though as Ive seen it backfire on a number of occassions.I would suggest you read the rulebook and follow it too the letter,Its not just as simple as pointing the finger at a particular machine,You have too be far more precise than that