Carrying ID

[MadDuck]

I couldnt find the old thread and I know this has been done before.

Maybe its too soon to be posting this kinda thing after such a tragic loss on KB. BUT maybe its kinda time we looked out for each other in a different way. We so enjoy being part of the KB family and have all made some great friends on here through rides and rallys. I was saddened at the loss of Flyin but also it threw me that someone had to log onto the site to find out how to contact his family and girlfriend.

Next time you are on a KB ride take time out to talk to the person next to you. OK you arent going to find out everything about that person but it may help if the worse comes to the worse. I was on a ride where a KBer went down and no one even knew his real name when the cops arrived.

After our last rally I was kinda surprised that no one knew my real name after all the rides I have been on (bar a couple) I carry and ID in my wallet that has my real name and who to contact in case of emergency.

Just IMHO
Cherie (aka MD)

[N4CR]

Getting to know who you are riding with helps heaps! I think the ID thing is a good idea.. mabey even some sort of registration for each ride with name/address would be good too.

Great idea :niceone:

[SuperDave]

In the case of a ride, should we not all have ID on us in the form our drivers license?

[Ixion]

In the case of a ride, should we not all have ID on us in the form our drivers license?

They don't have contact details for next of kin though

[FROSTY]

I'm lucky there Im called frosty everywhere in life.
I'm really keen on the idea of a contact phone number list held by a few (very) senior KBers and the senior members contact details being available to one and all
Ive got the beginings of that list already with the trackday indemnity forms from 60 or so members.

[MadDuck]

I think you missed my point SuperDave.

[Ms Piggy]

I have my wallet in my jacket and after that last discussion thread I made some of my contacts on my mobile priority by giving them a #1 or a #2, so hopefully if someone was clever they would know to ring those people.

I also carry the business cards of my aunty, my best friend and my boyfriend (and on their cards I have who they are in relation to me) in my wallet - obviously not everyone has business cards, so maybe people should write it on paper. Or could we add our next of kin to our notes on KB's?[edit: just did it]

[StoneChucker]

I have my wallet in my jacket and after that last discussion thread I made some of my contacts on my mobile priority by giving them a #1 or a #2, so hopefully if someone was clever they would know to ring those people.

I also carry the business cards of my aunty, my best friend and my boyfriend (and on their cards I have who they are in relation to me) in my wallet - obviously not everyone has business cards, so maybe people should write it on paper. Or could we add our next of kin to our notes on KB's?
Exactly what I was thinking (about contacts being on the cell phone).

But it's a better idea to carry it on paper too, and in the user notes... I'll go do that right now I think.

[LED]

It may sound pretty naff but I try to tell someone where I am going, when I will be back and then give them a call, specially for those living alone etc, food for thought...

[scumdog]

Good point MadDuck, even if the boys in blue checked my rego/licence etc they'd have no idea who to contact to uplift my corpse....unless Chrissy-Bimbo was alive enough to tell them.

[MadDuck]

Thanks Scumdog. I guess I am coming from the point of view that my next of kin (aka my father) is the LAST person I would want contacted because i have had nuffin to do with him in 20 years.

LMAO he dont even know where I live :ride:

[Skyryder]

The Police can contact the next of kin through drivers licence. They can get the details that you and I can not. Just not too sure if carrying ID is neccessary. The intention may be well meaning but if someone acts outside the official channels in the event of a fatility and contacts someone unofficially more harm than good can eventuate.

We've all had a bit of a shock today but let's try and keep a perspective on this

Skyryder

[scumdog]

The Police can contact the next of kin through drivers licence. They can get the details that you and I can not. Just not too sure if carrying ID is neccessary. The intention may be well meaning but if someone acts outside the official channels in the event of a fatility and contacts someone unofficially more harm than good can eventuate.

We've all had a bit of a shock today but let's try and keep a perspective on this

Skyryder

Thanks for the vote of confidence Skyryder but at times it takes a LOOONG time to track down N.O.K. - and by then the 'grapevine' system often means the wrong info has got there ahead of us.
i.e. Somebody is drivimg home over an unknown route to where a tragedy has occured, how do you get hold of them BEFORE they get there and stumble across the unpleasant scene??

Oh yeah, sorry, we are just there to impede the high velocity movement of certain members of this site!

O.K. I've a black belt in cynicism.

And drink too much 'Gentleman Jack" bourbon!!

[Ixion]

Thanks for the vote of confidence Skyryder but at times it takes a LOOONG time to track down N.O.K. - and by then the 'grapevine' system often means the wrong info has got there ahead of us.
i.e. Somebody is drivimg home over an unknown route to where a tragedy has occured, how do you get hold of them BEFORE they get there and stumble across the unpleasant scene??

Oh yeah, sorry, we are just there to impede the high velocity movement of certain members of this site!

O.K. I've a black belt in cynicism.

And drink too much 'Gentleman Jack" bourbon!!

Other thing is that "official" next of kin might not be the ones you want contacted (would be for me, but it's not always the case).And official info probably won't include cell phone numbers, which today is probably the most important contact info in such cases - as per Mr Scumdogs example

I carry a card in my wallet with contact details, medical info (like no allergies etc ). Can't see it does any harm.

[Skunk]

I guess I am coming from the point of view that my next of kin (aka my father) is the LAST person I would want contacted because i have had nuffin to do with him in 20 years.

The Police can contact the next of kin through drivers licence. They can get the details that you and I can not. Just not too sure if carrying ID is neccessary. The intention may be well meaning but if someone acts outside the official channels in the event of a fatility and contacts someone unofficially more harm than good can eventuate.

We've all had a bit of a shock today but let's try and keep a perspective on this

I carry a card in my wallet with contact details, medical info (like no allergies etc ). Can't see it does any harm.
I guess that carrying a next of kin contact card would/should only be used if you are injured to the point of unconscious. I would never call someone to say that someone is dead/dying. But the card could help those that need to do that job.

As Skyryder says: Sit back and have a think.
Ixion: I like that idea.

[John]

[QUOTE=IxionI carry a card in my wallet with contact details, medical info (like no allergies etc ). Can't see it does any harm.
I guess that carrying a next of kin contact card would/should only be used if you are injured to the point of unconscious. I would never call someone to say that someone is dead/dying. But the card could help those that need to do that job.

As Skyryder says: Sit back and have a think.
Ixion: I like that idea.[/QUOTE]
Yup I noticed my mum did that for her car - I need to do it for my bike also considering my luck I dont see myself surviving long so best that my family (the couple that actually would care) know about it.

Its a very very very good idea, and also like the idea of registrations at rides would be very good for many reasons, we should explore these options, it really opens your eyes when things like this happens.

[scumdog]

We all need to ride like the law requires us to live to the age of 100!!

[MikeL]

There are a couple of different issues here.

The first KB rides were relatively unorganized, just a group of individuals who happened to be riding together but often didn't know each others' names. Over time this has evolved to the point where the rides are planned more carefully, with a leader who takes some sort of responsibility for the group. However, I think that without making things over-formalized, it would be good to go one small step further to ensure that in the event of something untoward happening, there are at least things that can be done.
I would suggest that we follow the Ulysses procedure, slightly modified:

(1) everyone who turns up to a ride fills in a few bits of information on a form that the rider in charge carries:
Bike make/model and rego
KB name +real first name
cellphone number
contact name and number (not necessarily next of kin, but someone to call if
need be)

(2) Each rider makes sure he has the cellphone number of the rider in charge written down or programmed in.

These couple of suggestions would solve a lot of problems.

In the case of serious accident I don't think the rider in charge or others should contact next of kin even if they are known, unless the rider specifically requests it.

[bugjuice]

my contributions..
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=8208

[XTC]

My partner got a call years ago saying I had died on a club ride.... The call was from another on the ride who took it upon themselves to ring the next of kin.. It was a case of mistaken identity and was just lucky for her that I was standing next to her when she answered the phone having just got home. Imagine if I had not yet made it home? I think in the case of a fatality it's best to leave that job to the police???
Good idea to carry numbers just in case tho whether in a group or alone.

[Lou Girardin]

I couldnt find the old thread and I know this has been done before.

Maybe its too soon to be posting this kinda thing after such a tragic loss on KB. BUT maybe its kinda time we looked out for each other in a different way. We so enjoy being part of the KB family and have all made some great friends on here through rides and rallys. I was saddened at the loss of Flyin but also it threw me that someone had to log onto the site to find out how to contact his family and girlfriend.

Next time you are on a KB ride take time out to talk to the person next to you. OK you arent going to find out everything about that person but it may help if the worse comes to the worse. I was on a ride where a KBer went down and no one even knew his real name when the cops arrived.

After our last rally I was kinda surprised that no one knew my real name after all the rides I have been on (bar a couple) I carry and ID in my wallet that has my real name and who to contact in case of emergency.

Just IMHO
Cherie (aka MD)

Drivers licence perhaps?

[Lou Girardin]

Good point MadDuck, even if the boys in blue checked my rego/licence etc they'd have no idea who to contact to uplift my corpse....unless Chrissy-Bimbo was alive enough to tell them.

What? Don't you carry your copper ID? Then you can impede people off-duty too. :brick: :Police:

I think notifications etc should be done by the cops if they attend. When a good friend of mine died, he was quite coherent and didn't appear to be in imminent risk of death. But he died 20 - 30 minutes later. If someone had rung his wife to say that he'd crashed but was OK it would have made it all the more tragic.

[sAsLEX]

I think in the case of a fatality it's best to leave that job to the police???
Good idea to carry numbers just in case tho whether in a group or alone.

this is true, but if people on the ride have the info to be able to give to the police it would make the whole thing a little quicker. rather than them having to go into their system to get the information.

[ManDownUnder]

Hey - as a thought (and it was a LOOONNGG TIME COMING)..

What about a KB number plate surround?

Can you get them for the various plate shapes that bikes have? I realise you'd only be able to see them from behind as well... but I think they're more obvious than other suggestions I'm aware of...

And as for meeting people on the KB events? Bloody right. I'm guilty of not doing it enough...

MDU