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Tank
23rd December 2009, 08:41
A father seen hitting his eight-year-old-daughter in "a rain of blows" told a witness it was because "white people" had taught her to swear.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3188301/Father-rained-blows-on-daughter-for-swearing

whats the matter - cant he even teach his own kid?

wbks
23rd December 2009, 08:47
"I'll teach you better than these horrible white people sins as I beat the absolute shit out of you like a savage!"

Dave Lobster
23rd December 2009, 08:49
Par for the course..

Now is the time of year.. just watch how many arrests there are for wife beating and breach of protection orders.

martybabe
23rd December 2009, 09:03
Is this for real folks ?( I don't just mean this case in particular ) It's a genuine question from an ignoramus abroad.

The UK,the land of my birth,is rife with violence. Only yesterday my daughter told me of an incident she witnessed where an old gent got out of his car to have a rant at some kids for throwing snowballs at his car and got mercilessly beaten by half a dozen of the scrotes, stabbings are endemic and crime is through the roof but I don't ever remember cases of child beating and wife beating being reported to this degree.

Every time I watch the news or pick up a paper in NZ it's full of some despicable family abuse.I'm sure it goes on every where, I'm not totally naive but there's barely a day goes by where I don't read of some poor kid being thrashed to within an inch of their lives. If it is as bad as the press make out it's a bloody shameful state of affairs eh.

Dave Lobster
23rd December 2009, 09:08
Is this for real folks ?( I don't just mean this case in particular ) It's a genuine question from an ignoramus abroad.

The UK,the land of my birth,is rife with violence. Only yesterday my daughter told me of an incident she witnessed where an old gent got out of his car to have a rant at some kids for throwing snowballs at his car and got mercilessly beaten by half a dozen of the scrotes, stabbings are endemic and crime is through the roof but I don't ever remember cases of child beating and wife beating being reported to this degree.

Every time I watch the news or pick up a paper in NZ it's full of some despicable family abuse.I'm sure it goes on every where, I'm not totally naive but there's barley a day goes by where I don't read of some poor kid being thrashed to within an inch of their lives. If it is as bad as the press make out it's a bloody shameful state of affairs eh.


"I'll teach you better than these horrible white people sins as I beat the absolute shit out of you like a savage!"


It's the 'warrior' gene.

MSTRS
23rd December 2009, 09:11
It's the 'warrior' gene.

Bullshit. Warriors have (had?) respect for themselves and for others.
These arseholes have no respect for anything, at all.

Dave Lobster
23rd December 2009, 09:14
Bullshit. Warriors have (had?) respect for themselves and for others.
These arseholes have no respect for anything, at all.

But it must be true. I've seen it on the news.

mynameis
23rd December 2009, 09:14
Thank God for Sue Bradford mongrels like this can be dealt with eh.

scissorhands
23rd December 2009, 09:15
I read somewhere that the UK, USA, Canada, OZ and NZ have horrible social statistics on health, both physical and mental. All the English speaking nations....

Why why why?

R6_kid
23rd December 2009, 09:15
It's ok if you only do it once - with a jandal.

Dave Lobster
23rd December 2009, 09:17
I read somewhere that the UK, USA, Canada, OZ and NZ have horrible social statistics on health, both physical and mental. All the English speaking nations....

Why why why?

Because the english speaking nations don't read the stats from countries that don't speak english.

wbks
23rd December 2009, 09:19
I read somewhere that the UK, USA, Canada, OZ and NZ have horrible social statistics on health, both physical and mental. All the English speaking nations....

Why why why?
Because every non English speaking country is so well off... Africa and Eastern Europe? I guess it's the filthy brits fault...

avgas
23rd December 2009, 09:21
Black, White or Orange.........doesn't matter.

Here is hoping the father gets a bullet for Christmas. Kids don't deserve this - especially during this time of year.

I hope the daughter grows up to hate the father - and uses that hate to drive her to improve her own life.

Scum like that should sink to the bottom rather than float to the top.

AllanB
23rd December 2009, 09:23
Silly chap - he got it all wrong.

We slap our white adult women around the butt with a jandal as foreplay.

His reply speaks volumes - if he had genuinely lost it and it was way out of character he have been appalled at his own behavior.

Pedrostt500
23rd December 2009, 09:24
The Human Race is a violent race, we have put more research and energy & money, into finding new ways of killing & maiming each other down through the ages than we have spent on anything else, and this is because we have fear as a base reaction to the world in wich we live.

Miscreant
23rd December 2009, 09:32
I read somewhere that the UK, USA, Canada, OZ and NZ have horrible social statistics on health, both physical and mental. All the English speaking nations....

Why why why?

Perhaps because they actually have systems in place to record and report these matters.

scissorhands
23rd December 2009, 09:48
True re statistics, reporting of and language.

But look into the peaceful well adjusted eyes of your average chinese kid compared to the average Kiwi one.....

One gets veg soups, mum and dad no booze or coffee, the other has chips and coke and watches violent media and games

I challenge that our successive governments have let down those at the bottom of the food chain, by keeping them dumbed down with violence on TV, and promotion of unhealthy lifestyles...

Mikkel
23rd December 2009, 09:55
Aww come on... Children need a good beating as part of their upbringing.

It's a big shame he can't use the defense of "reasonable force" this time.

[/sarcasm]

If standards are good, double standards must be twice as good.

wbks
23rd December 2009, 10:03
True re statistics, reporting of and language.

But look into the peaceful well adjusted eyes of your average chinese kid compared to the average Kiwi one.....

One gets veg soups, mum and dad no booze or coffee, the other has chips and coke and watches violent media and games

I challenge that our successive governments have let down those at the bottom of the food chain, by keeping them dumbed down with violence on TV, and promotion of unhealthy lifestyles...If you're going to run on stereotypes, the average kiwi kid doesn't have to worry about being shot dead by his own soldiers for protesting, either... Or be killed in a riot of race, or starve to death, or die of disease because of poor healthcare...

rainman
23rd December 2009, 10:09
One gets veg soups, mum and dad no booze or coffee, the other has chips and coke and watches violent media and games

You're on to something there with the diet issue at least. Sugar is a bad bad thing in the quantities we consume it.

Bloody hard to give up though.

Drunken Monkey
23rd December 2009, 10:23
...But look into the peaceful well adjusted eyes of your average chinese kid compared to the average Kiwi one.....
...
One gets veg soups, mum and dad no booze or coffee, the other has chips and coke and watches violent media and games...

Yet your "average chinese kid" will grow up in a society where extortion is so rife, it's just an accepted part of life. If you think gangs are a 'problem' in NZ culture, the Asian underworld will shock you. Don't even get me started on "no booze" - honestly, WTF, the 'chinese' are all teetotallers?? Got any more mythical stereotypes there? Why don't you just add they can't drive for shit?

Pixie
23rd December 2009, 10:31
If you're going to run on stereotypes, the average kiwi kid doesn't have to worry about being shot dead by his own soldiers for protesting, either... Or be killed in a riot of race, or starve to death, or die of disease because of poor healthcare...

In my day we'd be killed in a riot of race or shot dead by our own soldiers before breakfast.Then we'd happily go of to die of disease.Luxury!
Tell the young people today and they won't believe you.

MSTRS
23rd December 2009, 10:33
In my day we'd be killed in a riot of race or shot dead by our own soldiers before breakfast.Then we'd happily go of to die of disease.Luxury!
Tell the young people today and they won't believe you.

Breakfast? We used to dream of breakfast...

avgas
23rd December 2009, 10:40
Aww come on... Children need a good beating as part of their upbringing.

It's a big shame he can't use the defense of "reasonable force" this time.

[/sarcasm]

If standards are good, double standards must be twice as good.
Its a bit like that saying "Lethal Learning"

"Johnny was the chemists son, but Johnny is no more. What Johnny thought was H2O was H2SO4....."

avgas
23rd December 2009, 10:43
If you're going to run on stereotypes, the average kiwi kid doesn't have to worry about being shot dead by his own soldiers for protesting, either... Or be killed in a riot of race, or starve to death, or die of disease because of poor healthcare...
Have you been overseas. I used to think this also. I had my eyes opened by both travel and my wife.

wbks
23rd December 2009, 10:57
Have you been overseas. I used to think this also. I had my eyes opened by both travel and my wife.Yes I have. Never to China though, but I don't need to go there to tell you that the average NZ kid isn't going to get shot to death by NZ soldiers in the middle of his street, or killed in a riot, or die because of a shitty healthcare system, like isn't exactly unheard of in China, so romanticizing China by talking about how "simple" they are is kind of over simplistic. From what I have heard from mates that have been to China, the booze is so cheap there, and the people who sell it so corrupt, the youths aren't exactly "pure" in many places

Mikkel
23rd December 2009, 10:59
Its a bit like that saying "Lethal Learning"

"Johnny was the chemists son, but Johnny is no more. What Johnny thought was H2O was H2SO4....."

Well, at least he won't do that again. :yes:

scissorhands
23rd December 2009, 11:01
Yet your "average chinese kid" will grow up in a society where extortion is so rife, it's just an accepted part of life. If you think gangs are a 'problem' in NZ culture, the Asian underworld will shock you. Don't even get me started on "no booze" - honestly, WTF, the 'chinese' are all teetotallers?? Got any more mythical stereotypes there? Why don't you just add they can't drive for shit?

How about 'NZ is a great placed to bring up kids'...our youth serious road accident is by far the WORST... also teenage suicide, cancers, heart disease and bullying and common crime are very well represented here.

I still maintain that good parenting in NZ has been hijacked by the Tory fuckers dumb down

wbks
23rd December 2009, 11:04
How about 'NZ is a great placed to bring up kids'...our youth serious road accident is by far the WORST... also teenage suicide, cancers, heart disease and bullying and common crime are very well represented here.Yea, you're right. NZ is a shithole to raise kids, thats we most of us have so many fond childhood memories here...

Genie
23rd December 2009, 11:09
It is a terrible tradegy that happens every day and has done for thousands of years. children have always been abused and now we can be thankful that society is not accepting this behaviour anymore. What is truely sad is the worst abusers will now become even more secretive. Last year a child in my daughters class was beaten to death because he left a sweatshirt at school, he took 4 days to die and his parents did not get help for him. They were too frightened as they would be prosecuted for hitting their son, so they let him die.

And here's some fella bashing his beautiful innocent eight year old daughter for swearing. FFS, bet he swears himself. This type of behaviour gets me riled!!!!

sidecar bob
23rd December 2009, 11:27
It's ok if you only do it once - with a jandal.

Its spelt Chandil you egg.

Thaeos
23rd December 2009, 11:58
Well everything is the white man's fault. Haven't you learnt that by now?

scissorhands
23rd December 2009, 12:05
If a company fails, is it the workers or management?

Who is guilty, the dog that bites or its owner for poor stewardship?

Why oh why does a dog guard and defend a master who treats the animal like shit? Misguided loyalty.

Whitey screws blackie cause he has a smarter white mans brain in a white mans world. Blackie takes out his rage either on himself by becoming a write off, and/or on the closest and defenseless at hand....

wbks
23rd December 2009, 12:07
Sorry if people get sick of constantly being told they are responsible for every problem in the world because they're white

Ronin
23rd December 2009, 12:09
Sorry if people get sick of constantly being told they are responsible for every problem in the world because they're white

Nah it is all my fault. But then, I'm a cnut.

DarkLord
23rd December 2009, 12:28
I love it...

"white people like you teach her to swear".

So, of course, it's not his fault.

Some people deserve a bullet.

Swoop
23rd December 2009, 13:27
It's the 'warrior' gene.
Yeah. Really glad "that" is promoted in NZ...

Breakfast? We used to dream of breakfast...
You lucky, lucky bastard!

Mikkel
23rd December 2009, 13:32
You lucky, lucky bastard!

...and when we got home our father would beat us to death and dance upon our graves...

But when you tell the young kids today, they won't believe you!

wbks
23rd December 2009, 14:46
Yeah. Really glad "that" is promoted in NZ...

It's not. Most Maori figureheads think the suggestion of it is ridiculous and there is no way I can think of how it's been promoted, only used as an excuse by try hard POS' with ego issues that beat their family or go looking for fights as Tank said

MSTRS
23rd December 2009, 15:53
...and when we got home our father would beat us to death and dance upon our graves...



At least yours didn't sing Halleluyah...

Elysium
23rd December 2009, 16:06
Is this for real folks ?( I don't just mean this case in particular ) It's a genuine question from an ignoramus abroad.

The UK,the land of my birth,is rife with violence. Only yesterday my daughter told me of an incident she witnessed where an old gent got out of his car to have a rant at some kids for throwing snowballs at his car and got mercilessly beaten by half a dozen of the scrotes, stabbings are endemic and crime is through the roof but I don't ever remember cases of child beating and wife beating being reported to this degree.

Every time I watch the news or pick up a paper in NZ it's full of some despicable family abuse.I'm sure it goes on every where, I'm not totally naive but there's barley a day goes by where I don't read of some poor kid being thrashed to within an inch of their lives. If it is as bad as the press make out it's a bloody shameful state of affairs eh.

That's why a lot of the old poms like to migrate here, we're more British then England is today.

peasea
23rd December 2009, 17:07
I love it...

"white people like you teach her to swear".

So, of course, it's not his fault.

Passing the buck, it's the kiwi way.

(Bet he learnt THAT from a honkey too.)

Genie
23rd December 2009, 17:13
Passing the buck, it's the kiwi way.

(Bet he learnt THAT from a honkey too.)

don't you just love the pass the buck scenerio...FFS...people need to stand up and say...I'm not perfect. This father ...well....it's a sad day when a father bashes his eight year old daughter for swearing. Geez, make her eat soap!!!

DarkLord
23rd December 2009, 17:20
Passing the buck, it's the kiwi way.

(Bet he learnt THAT from a honkey too.)

The kiwi way?

Do you reckon it would be any different anywhere else in the world?

Not having a go, just asking an honest question.

peasea
23rd December 2009, 17:20
don't you just love the pass the buck scenerio...FFS...people need to stand up and say...I'm not perfect. This father ...well....it's a sad day when a father bashes his eight year old daughter for swearing. Geez, make her eat soap!!!

If she'd had any kind of upbringing she'd probably not be swearing at that age anyway and even if she did blurt something out whatever happened to "that's not very ladylike" etc etc? Bashing an 8y/o is unacceptable, period.

I recall the first (slightly) vulgar word my eldest daughter used and she had used the word 'dumb-arse' in perfect context. I actually cracked up. While I don't/didn't swear profusely in front of my kids (or anybody's kids for that matter) they picked a bit up in the workshop and also in the company of drag racers, hot rodders and bikers. I never really worried too much about it coz 'people in glass houses' etc.

peasea
23rd December 2009, 17:23
The kiwi way?

Do you reckon it would be any different anywhere else in the world?

Not having a go, just asking an honest question.

Don't know about the rest of the world, just using a local saying. In the States they might say "It's the American way" and so on.

Mikkel
23rd December 2009, 17:46
At least yours didn't sing Halleluyah...

Lenny, Jeff or John's version?

XRVrider
23rd December 2009, 17:55
The Dad will make up with daughter by giving her a beer, and introducing her to uncle bullie. It happens.

Genie
23rd December 2009, 18:06
The Dad will make up with daughter by giving her a beer, and introducing her to uncle bullie. It happens.

OMG...shut the f up....one should never joke about that kind of shit. It does happen and it's tragic. 'tis bad enough he gives her the bash please dont' add to the problem. (and yeah before anyone says I have issues - I do!)

XRVrider
23rd December 2009, 18:12
It does happen and it's tragic.

Its no joke, it does, all this kind of shit is fing bad... but still goes on.

popelli
23rd December 2009, 19:33
Is this for real folks ?( I don't just mean this case in particular ) It's a genuine question from an ignoramus abroad.

The UK,the land of my birth,is rife with violence. Only yesterday my daughter told me of an incident she witnessed where an old gent got out of his car to have a rant at some kids for throwing snowballs at his car and got mercilessly beaten by half a dozen of the scrotes, stabbings are endemic and crime is through the roof but I don't ever remember cases of child beating and wife beating being reported to this degree.

Every time I watch the news or pick up a paper in NZ it's full of some despicable family abuse.I'm sure it goes on every where, I'm not totally naive but there's barely a day goes by where I don't read of some poor kid being thrashed to within an inch of their lives. If it is as bad as the press make out it's a bloody shameful state of affairs eh.

really, I left nz because I was sick of all the racist crap that is perpretated by the govt

and pubs in the uk have a lot less grief and violence than NZ

wbks
23rd December 2009, 19:36
really, I left nz because I was sick of all the racist crap that is perpretated by the govt

and pubs in the uk have a lot less grief and violence than NZAnd the country is sad to have lost such a loyal patriot

SS90
23rd December 2009, 20:00
How about 'NZ is a great placed to bring up kids'...our youth serious road accident is by far the WORST... also teenage suicide, cancers, heart disease and bullying and common crime are very well represented here.

I still maintain that good parenting in NZ has been hijacked by the Tory fuckers dumb down

Hmmm, this brings up a relevant point.

The key word you are missing is "reported"

As well as , what constitues domestic violence.

New Zealand has an inordenant number of reports of domestic violence, as well as an unusually large amount of convictions.

Simply raising your voice to your female partner is, by the family court, considered "domestic violence", no matter what caused you to raise your voice.

I don't know of any other country in the world that is the same.

So, given that such an action is "domestic violence", if it reported (by law the police are bound to act on it....charges usually (but not always) follow.

Now, there are several organisations that receive funding (from the taxpayer) to battle REAL domestic violence.

However, in order to get this funding, they need to have statistics to show the government that they are needed.

Basically, the more "reported" domestic violence there is, the more funding they get.

I am pretty confident that we all know some poor guy who had his life damaged by a jilted vindictive woman who used the NZ family court system to punish said guy.

For no reason other than she could.

I agree that NZ has high reporting of domestic violence, but I believe that this is only because of what is considered domestic violence in NZ is not considered domestic violence in most other countries.

The statistical data we are presented with does not break down to actual acts of domestic violence (type), just simply labels it all the same.

I detest men (or women) who physically or mentally abuse their partner, but let's not forget, there is a big difference between "reported acts" and "proven acts"

davebullet
23rd December 2009, 20:19
What does 1 year of supervision actually do? Does it teach Dad how to productively deal with the behaviour? Or is it just there to make sure when it happens next time, she'll be taken away from him. The next time might be too late.

Chrislost
29th December 2009, 17:43
I read somewhere that the UK, USA, Canada, OZ and NZ have horrible social statistics on health, both physical and mental. All the English speaking nations....

Why why why?

Too busy fucking 3 girls at once, while drinking a litre of vodka to comment

Dave Lobster
29th December 2009, 19:08
Too busy fucking 3 girls at once, while drinking a litre of vodka to comment

Eek.. are they THAT fugly??:whistle:

98tls
29th December 2009, 19:19
What does 1 year of supervision actually do? Does it teach Dad how to productively deal with the behaviour? Or is it just there to make sure when it happens next time, she'll be taken away from him. The next time might be too late. Nothing other than fill in at least one hour in the week of an otherwise unemployable waste of space probably from the same island the waste of space that did the bashing is from(lovely this cultural sensitivity isnt it).Once all the reli talks over(aprprox six months) the meetings will have gone out to once a month as waste of space is towing the line,read as nobodys seen him bashing the daughter.Fucking sad but thats the reality.

Skyryder
29th December 2009, 23:30
Too busy fucking 3 girls at once, while drinking a litre of vodka to comment

So ya gota 'prong' shaped like a fork. Must be a bitch if wanna wank.
Decisons, decisions.:dodge:


Skyryder

avgas
31st December 2009, 15:12
One thing I did notice here, he says white people got her to swear.

Yet he picks a fight with her.....





.......pussy

Skyryder
1st January 2010, 18:45
Wonder 'wot' he'd think if he saw 'whitey' beating his daughter for getting a suntan to look brown.


Skyryder