Boycott The Radio Nework for supporting domestic violence

[Lias]

They've hired Tony Veitch.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/3190394/Tony-Veitch-to-return-in-2010

I'll be switching stations, how about the rest of you?

[Karl08]

ahhhhhhh.....No.

Supporting domestic violence?- does that mean all employers who allow employees with any convictions to work, support the behavior that resulted in the said conviction?

And before any one pulls the "role model" line- we choose to make someone a role model, or we can choose to simply ignore them.

For example I give you the professional rugby players with convictions for assaulting their partners- In one case- she was pregnant and dragged down their path. Or the recent case in Taranaki.

So I will assume(rightly or wrongly) you do not watch rugby as well.

Still think he's a muppet though.

[Usarka]

Damn straight. People with convictions should never be allowed to work again. Anyone that hires them are just condoning their behaviour.

Let them survive without jobs.

[James Deuce]

They still have radio? On actual airwaves?

Weird.

[Pussy]

They still have radio? On actual airwaves?

Weird.

Shit yes!
I've got a wireless in the aeroplane, plays through my helmet speakers. Even picks up FM :niceone:

[short-circuit]

ahhhhhhh.....No.

Supporting domestic violence?- does that mean all employers who allow employees with any convictions to work, support the behavior that resulted in the said conviction?

And before any one pulls the "role model" line- we choose to make someone a role model, or we can choose to simply ignore them.

For example I give you the professional rugby players with convictions for assaulting their partners- In one case- she was pregnant and dragged down their path. Or the recent case in Taranaki.

So I will assume(rightly or wrongly) you do not watch rugby as well.

Still think he's a muppet though.

You won't last long in here if you continue making these types of balanced and logical utterances.

[yungatart]

He's done the crime, done the time...why can't he have his life back?
I won't be boycotting them..how silly can you get.

[Big Dan]

Damn straight. People with convictions should never be allowed to work again. Anyone that hires them are just condoning their behaviour.

Let them survive without jobs.

Thats just farken stupid to say that. Do you want a high un-employeement rate

How many fines etc have you had? Do you have any family that have been convicted for a crime. I don't know if you have any kids at all but if one of them got convicted for a small crime like shop lifting. With what you have just posted you'll be supporting them for the rest of there life.

If you have served you time you should have the right to move on with your life and make a meaningful contribution to the world

[Headbanger]

I think he's a fucktard, And that was before he smacked his bitch up and then tried to worm his way out of it.

So no, I won't be wasting my time by listening to him "work".

[Headbanger]

Thats just farken stupid to say that.

Are you new?

Now I have to bling him for catching a fish.

[Genie]

Don't listen to it anyway, but wouldn't stop me. Give the guy a break, he's more than paid his dues for that incident. Everyone deserves a second chance in life, though if he does it again........chop his freakin arms off so he can never hit another human being. Oh and maybe his legs too so he can't kick anyone either.

[firefighter]

Did he get his bribe for silence money back?

Just wondering.......

[Slyer]

I like Tony Veitch?
He paid his missus to shut up, she accepted the money and then the silly bint told anyway!

He deserves a second chance, definitely.

[Dcati]

I say let him move on. Veitch has actually had more punishment (financially and mentally) than people who commit far serious crimes.

[rustic101]

This aside he paid the price, and she also came away smiling. I suggest you build a bridge and look for a new cause to exert your distaste. I could recommend ACC, but then again single issue nutters may be of no help.

He has done the crime and the time - move on!!:zzzz:

[firefighter]

I like Tony Veitch?
He paid his missus to shut up, she accepted the money and then the silly bint told anyway!

He deserves a second chance, definitely.

Do you know if she had to pay it back? I think she should.......

I don't condone what he did at all, however I agree, she agreed to a bribe, then went back on her word, therefore he paid for a service, and she failed to provide it.........I wonder if it comes under the CGA? LOL!

I also thought it was illegal to accept bribes of this nature? (and of course to offer them).........so what's happening there?

[Hopeful Bastard]

Damn straight. People with convictions should never be allowed to work again. Anyone that hires them are just condoning their behaviour.

Let them survive without jobs.

Sure.. So they can live off the payments from winz which comes from your tax? I'd rather let them work..


So say for instance, A boy racer gets a conviction for dangerous driving and speeding etc, You wouldnt employ him as a Hammer hand or a Kitchen Hand?

Think before you speak.. Might stop from this kinda thing happening..

[James Deuce]

Sure.. So they can live off the payments from winz which comes from your tax? I'd rather let them work..


So say for instance, A boy racer gets a conviction for dangerous driving and speeding etc, You wouldnt employ him as a Hammer hand or a Kitchen Hand?

Think before you speak.. Might stop from this kinda thing happening..

Please go and look up the word "sarcasm" before you log back into the Internet.

One more breach like this and you will be demoted from Internet User to Library Card holder.

[Genie]

Please go and look up the word "sarcasm" before you log back into the Internet.

One more breach like this and you will be demoted from Internet User to Library Card holder.

even I got the sarcasm in that comment...and I'm blonde!!!!!:beer:

[Headbanger]

Sure.. So they can live off the payments from winz which comes from your tax? I'd rather let them work..


So say for instance, A boy racer gets a conviction for dangerous driving and speeding etc, You wouldnt employ him as a Hammer hand or a Kitchen Hand?

Think before you speak.. Might stop from this kinda thing happening..


Thats 2 little fishies.

[Big Dan]

Thats 2 little fishies.

someone should get a large trout and use it on ya :girlfight:

[Hopeful Bastard]

Fuck i got done'd :buggerd:


This is what happens if you go out xmas shopping for families and then come straight home and log on! :weep::beer::beer:

[Fatjim]

What a twat.

[peasea]

I think he's a fucktard, And that was before he smacked his bitch up and then tried to worm his way out of it.

With you 100% on that one. He needs to get a taste of his own medicine and a tennis ball jammed in his gob to shut the fuckwit up. Every time I saw his gay, ugly dial on the box I reached for the remote.

Paul Henry's right up there too.........

[Genie]

With you 100% on that one. He needs to get a taste of his own medicine and a tennis ball jammed in his gob to shut the fuckwit up. Every time I saw his gay, ugly dial on the box I reached for the remote.

Paul Henry's right up there too.........

I hear ya on the remote thing....but he was very good on game of two halves with hunk one and hunk two!!! Oh i forgot, hunks 3,4,5,6,7,8,.....and the rest of all those sexy sport stars he had on there.

[peasea]

I hear ya on the remote thing....but he was very good on game of two halfs with hunk one and hunk two!!! Oh i forgot, hunks 3,4,5,6,7,8,.....and the rest of all those sexy sport stars he had on there.

Oh gawd, you thinking with the little head again?

[Genie]

sshhhhhh....i've had wine!

[Grubber]

Don't listen to it anyway, but wouldn't stop me. Give the guy a break, he's more than paid his dues for that incident. Everyone deserves a second chance in life, though if he does it again........chop his freakin arms off so he can never hit another human being. Oh and maybe his legs too so he can't kick anyone either.

I so like this....big long sentence with compassion ... then bang, off with his head.

[Goblin]

Did he get his bribe for silence money back?

Just wondering.......He should have!


I like Tony Veitch?
He paid his missus to shut up, she accepted the money and then the silly bint told anyway!

He deserves a second chance, definitely.Agreed! or was a greed? She was on 20/20 or 60mins or something a while back, whining about wanting to get on with her life, she had to move house...blah blah. Then last week was in one of those silly tabliod wimens magazines with her latest bleat. If anyone deserved a clayton weatherston... :oi-grr:

[Genie]

I so like this....big long sentence with compassion ... then bang, off with his head.

it was his arms and legs that come off...he can keep his head.
seriously though....everyone deserves the second chance...don't fuck it up or the penalty will be severe!

[Hitcher]

Tony Veitch, as well as being an abusive and unrepentant POS is also a pretty average sports jock. I don't know what his new employer is thinking. I'm certain that they could find somebody just as good to do this job. Perhaps they want to attract misogynistic women beaters as a target audience?

[wbks]

I'm sure every major radio station has at least one violent offender or women basher employed in it, are you going to boycott all of them?

[rustic101]

Tony Veitch, as well as being an abusive and unrepentant POS is also a pretty average sports jock. I don't know what his new employer is thinking. I'm certain that they could find somebody just as good to do this job. Perhaps they want to attract misogynistic women beaters as a target audience?

Go and get a soap box.

People in NZ have done far worse and wander around reoffending. This guy no matter how much of a prat he was, is entitled like all the other scum to a second chance.

You appear to be a hypocrite. I just finished reading a post you placed as a Mod stating we must uphold and respect what is before the Courts! Yet you berate this guy with no respect for other laws of NZ.

You are not able to have your cake and eat it too. As a moderator at least be consistant!!!

[chanceyy]

Agreed! or was a greed? She was on 20/20 or 60mins or something a while back, whining about wanting to get on with her life, she had to move house...blah blah. Then last week was in one of those silly tabliod wimens magazines with her latest bleat. If anyone deserved a clayton weatherston... :oi-grr:

ohh Agree with that one Kels, plenty of instances of that .. just most do not get airtime like this one .. do not condone what he did at all, but she just showed herself to be a greedy vidictive person too. needed money to pay for her huge new house aye

[Oakie]

I'm looking forward to hearing him again. The guy has been punished by the law and then punished so much more on top of that by society. The cost to him for his domestic abuse has been exponentially greater than any other abuser apart from those who actually killed.

He's admitted the crime, society has had it's pound of flesh and then some. Time to move on.

[fridayflash]

They've hired Tony Veitch.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/3190394/Tony-Veitch-to-return-in-2010

I'll be switching stations, how about the rest of you?

yet you refer to yourself as an "anti social hippie basher" ?
im not keen on veitch but he should be allowed to move on, and
that bird is fucken trouble.

anyways...come on over to radio nz, the grass is always green:cool:

[Oakie]

God. If hiring someone with a conviction means that you support their crime then my non-profit disabled support organisation supports drunken driving, burglary, getting into a vehicle (illegally), using a document to gain pecuniary advantage and arson! (the convictions I know about of our employees of the top of my head.)

[puddy]

Damn straight. People with convictions should never be allowed to work again. Anyone that hires them are just condoning their behaviour.

Let them survive without jobs.
If anybody doesn't have a job, we have to support them too! I'd rather they still had jobs.

[puddy]

ahhhhhhh.....No.

Supporting domestic violence?- does that mean all employers who allow employees with any convictions to work, support the behavior that resulted in the said conviction?

And before any one pulls the "role model" line- we choose to make someone a role model, or we can choose to simply ignore them.

For example I give you the professional rugby players with convictions for assaulting their partners- In one case- she was pregnant and dragged down their path. Or the recent case in Taranaki.

So I will assume(rightly or wrongly) you do not watch rugby as well.

Still think he's a muppet though.
+1. I have to agree.

[SS90]

Did he get his bribe for silence money back?

Just wondering.......

I was thinking that too.

I doubt it.

Didn't his (previously unknown partner) suddenly become a bloody "celebrity counselor" for women attempting to secure protection orders against their partners?

What a country!

I'll let Tony Vietch punch the fuck out of me, then give me hush money (which I keep, but still rat him out), so I can become an unskilled parasitic leach on the taxpayers pocket.

[Usarka]

I've just been busted by MAF for fishing over my quota :buggerd:

[Skyryder]

They've hired Tony Veitch.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/3190394/Tony-Veitch-to-return-in-2010

I'll be switching stations, how about the rest of you?

I'm with you on this. Might be worth blitzing the advertisers too.


Skyryder

[James Deuce]

Go and get a soap box.

People in NZ have done far worse and wander around reoffending. This guy no matter how much of a prat he was, is entitled like all the other scum to a second chance.

You appear to be a hypocrite. I just finished reading a post you placed as a Mod stating we must uphold and respect what is before the Courts! Yet you berate this guy with no respect for other laws of NZ.

You are not able to have your cake and eat it too. As a moderator at least be consistant!!!

What? Tony Veitch isn't before the courts and Hitcher just said he was average at his job.

Surely there are many more posts in this thread deserving of the hypocrite label and a "legal" response?

Furthermore, while he may well have done the time, surely that doesn't prevent people from having a negative opinion of Mr Veitch? He after all inflicted hideous injuries with long term consequences and was only "sorry" when he got busted. I'm fairly certain that I wouldn't go out of my way to make his acquaintance, either in person or via old-fashioned airwaves. NZ has a culture that is supportive of domestic violence, especially if perpetrated by a "celebrity". He doesn't deserve anyone leaping to his defence, no matter how oblique the angle of approach.

[Skyryder]

I say let him move on. Veitch has actually had more punishment (financially and mentally) than people who commit far serious crimes.

There is something realy obnoxious about a man kicking a woman. If Veitch wants to work let him get a job where he is not in my life like the radio of TV.

He's been on Deaker's show too. So he lost my support. Don't watch him anymore

Skyryder

[rustic101]

What? Tony Veitch isn't before the courts and Hitcher just said he was average at his job.

Surely there are many more posts in this thread deserving of the hypocrite label and a "legal" response?

Hitcher stated on one thread about a bike being pushed over that, that, matter was before the Courts, and as a Mod would delete the respective threads if talk/blogging what ever continued [or words to that effect]...

He/She then presents on the Veitch thread berating the guy etc.

In my view that is hypocritical, therefore it is 'my personal belief' that Hitcher is a Hipocrite!!!

Further to this as a if KB were serious about their site they would not allow Moderators to comment - It is protocol to be impartial.

[James Deuce]

Hitcher stated on one thread about a bike being pusher that, that, matter was before the Courts, and as a Mod would delete the respective threads if talk/blogging what ever continued [or words to that effect]...

He/She then presents on the Veitch thread berating the guy etc.

In my view that is hypocritical, therefore it is 'my personal belief' that Hitcher is a Hipocrite!!!

Further to this as a if KB were serious about their site they would not allow Moderators to comment - It is protocol to be impartial.
What? KB faces legal action if the identity of the bike pusher is published prior to the case, and Frosty's case against him is dead in the water if that happens.

Saying that Veitch is an odious piece of crap is in no way hypocritical and you're reaching in the extreme trying to connect the two. Neither KB nor Hitcher faces legal action for pointing out that Tony Veitch's target audience is likely to be comprised of a demographic that ranges from secretly supportive to openly celebratory of Mr Veitch's attempt to define the position of women in NZ as an easily silenced mobile punching bag, subservient to his "career". I don't remember it being illegal to object to someone of demonstrably dubious character being given a position of supposed public import. It isn;t illegal for him to try and re-establish his "career" either, but I wouldn't advertise during his segment lest me and my product be lumped in with the wife bashers.

Moderators are bikers and posters too. Are you suggesting that moderators aren't allowed to have opinions about anything at all? How is that in any way fair for a time intensive volunteer job? There's no money, no contract. I'm not following your line of reasoning at all. The post in Frosty's thread was clearly identified as "official moderator business". The post in this thread was Hitcher's opinion about Tony Veitch.

[Hitcher]

Go and get a soap box.

People in NZ have done far worse and wander around reoffending. This guy no matter how much of a prat he was, is entitled like all the other scum to a second chance.

You appear to be a hypocrite. I just finished reading a post you placed as a Mod stating we must uphold and respect what is before the Courts! Yet you berate this guy with no respect for other laws of NZ.

You are not able to have your cake and eat it too. As a moderator at least be consistant!!!

I have a soapbox. I am standing on it. You appear to be either an idiot or a troll. It's Christmas, so I'll let you choose which.

[Hitcher]

He's admitted the crime, society has had it's pound of flesh and then some. Time to move on.

Tony Veitch trades on his celebrity. I think that that currency is largely worthless, pound of flesh or otherwise. If he was an accountant, I wouldn't give a shit.

[Kickaha]

I have a soapbox. I am standing on it. You appear to be either an idiot or a troll. It's Christmas, so I'll let you choose which.

50/50 call, I'm going for idiot myself

[pc220]

Ah fuck it you either listen to him on the radio or you dont,simple. No need to get all wound up over it.

[Hitcher]

Ah fuck it you either listen to him on the radio or you dont,simple. No need to get all wound up over it.

Just like there's no need to wound up about a convicted pedophile living next to a school if your kids don't go there?

[Slicksta]

Just like there's no need to wound up about a convicted pedophile living next to a school if your kids don't go there?

Sorry hitcher fail to see how that is remotely relevant.

Are you saying that being a media broadcaster tempts you to commit acts of violence against your spouse/partner?

[James Deuce]

Sorry hitcher fail to see how that is remotely relevant.

Are you saying that being a media broadcaster tempts you to commit acts of violence against your spouse/partner?

No. It can be seen to legitimise other people who perform acts of violence against their partner. I think you've completely missed the point. Why is it OK for people to complain about a paedophile living next to a school, when domestic violence is hidden, covered up, and then excused. Why shouldn't people take a dim view of that? Why do you think domestic violence is OK but paedophilia isn't?

More importantly, it can be seen to legitimise violent men with no remorse and a good line to the media for the carefully scripted public acting out of remorse after being busted.

[Winston001]

I think he's a fucktard, And that was before he smacked his bitch up and then tried to worm his way out of it.

So no, I won't be wasting my time by listening to him "work".

Agreed. Always thought he was a smart arse and didn't rate him as a sports journalist.

I certainly won't be listening to him.

[Slicksta]

No. It can be seen to legitimise other people who perform acts of violence against their partner. I think you've completely missed the point. Why is it OK for people to complain about a paedophile living next to a school, when domestic violence is hidden, covered up, and then excused. Why shouldn't people take a dim view of that? Why do you think domestic violence is OK but paedophilia isn't?

More importantly, it can be seen to legitimise violent men with no remorse and a good line to the media for the carefully scripted public acting out of remorse after being busted.

Again i cant see your logic here hell why not make all crimes on the same level, to me a man wandering around and raping children is far worse than a man hitting a woman. Trying to put them on the same level is just wrong.

How do you know this man has no remorse? Who are you to judge that? do you know him personally? If he never hit a woman again his whole life would you still say he was unrepentant?

[pc220]

Just like there's no need to wound up about a convicted pedophile living next to a school if your kids don't go there?

Dont mean to be rude Mr Hitcher but you seem to have strayed off topic. All i was saying is that he is just going to be a small annoying voice on the wireless, you can either choose to listen to it and get all wound up or just stay tuned to The Rock. Would you prefer he milked the benifit system claiming to be too stressed to work?.

[James Deuce]

He broke her back and left her permanently disabled. I'm intrigued and really want to know why violence and particularly domestic violence is OK in NZ. I wouldn't be happy having a man capable of inflicting that level of violence on anyone living next to me.

It's pretty easy to tell a remorseful response from a craven response. You man up and turn yourself in and get help, which may include a prison sentence. Your employer removes you from your high profile job pending the court case instead of supporting your domestic violence and helping you hide it. He tried to buy her silence. Again, I'm intrigued to try and understand why it is OK beat someone so badly they have permanent issues to deal with and then try to buy their silence. That isn't remorse. That's an attempt to maintain career and social standing at any cost. The subsequent "look at me" suicide attempts were pathetic and broached the barrier between genuinely worrying bahaviour and low farce.

My argument is based in trying to understand why sections of the NZ public aren't reviled by the vicious beating this lowlife dealt out to to a woman lying on the floor. Is it because she didn't honour the agreement to not dob him in, or is it because you can identify with the desire to beat your partner to a pulp? I don't know how else to phrase the question because I personally think that Tony Veitch is representative of a bigger problem throughout NZ society and publicly rehabilitating him serves no purpose. There are many job options availble to a journalist that don't involve a public persona.

[Slicksta]

He broke her back and left her permanently disabled. I'm intrigued and really want to know why violence and particularly domestic violence is OK in NZ. I wouldn't be happy having a man capable of inflicting that level of violence on anyone living next to me.

It's pretty easy to tell a remorseful response from a craven response. You man up and turn yourself in and get help, which may include a prison sentence. Your employer removes you from your high profile job pending the court case instead of supporting your domestic violence and helping you hide it. He tried to buy her silence. Again, I'm intrigued to try and understand why it is OK beat someone so badly they have permanent issues to deal with and then try to buy their silence. That isn't remorse. That's an attempt to maintain career and social standing at any cost. The subsequent "look at me" suicide attempts were pathetic and broached the barrier between genuinely worrying bahaviour and low farce.

My argument is based in trying to understand why sections of the NZ public aren't reviled by the vicious beating this lowlife dealt out to to a woman lying on the floor. Is it because she didn't honour the agreement to not dob him in, or is it because you can identify with the desire to beat your partner to a pulp? I don't know how else to phrase the question because I personally think that Tony Veitch is representative of a bigger problem throughout NZ society and publicly rehabilitating him serves no purpose. There are many job options availble to a journalist that don't involve a public persona.

If you got that I think domestic violence is ok then you would be wrong I never said that at all

I dont see how putting him in the public eye again is going to say to NZ that domestic violence is ok.

[peasea]

He broke her back and left her permanently disabled. I'm intrigued and really want to know why violence and particularly domestic violence is OK in NZ. I wouldn't be happy having a man capable of inflicting that level of violence on anyone living next to me.

It's pretty easy to tell a remorseful response from a craven response. You man up and turn yourself in and get help, which may include a prison sentence. Your employer removes you from your high profile job pending the court case instead of supporting your domestic violence and helping you hide it. He tried to buy her silence. Again, I'm intrigued to try and understand why it is OK beat someone so badly they have permanent issues to deal with and then try to buy their silence. That isn't remorse. That's an attempt to maintain career and social standing at any cost. The subsequent "look at me" suicide attempts were pathetic and broached the barrier between genuinely worrying bahaviour and low farce.

I agree; the word 'remorse' isn't in Tony V's vocabulary, whereas 'skullduggery' and 'deceit' are. His actions after the assault speak volumes about him and I also got whiff of rodent when his employers' actions came to light. I wouldn't begrudge him getting a job in radio or television, just not at the front line. Sweeping floors perhaps? Ideally he should be forced to work for a minimum wage caring for the permanently disabled but he would probably struggle with the requirements of 'caring'. (For anyone other than himself, that is.)

He's done his dash in my books when it comes to enjoying a high-profile, high-salaried position and anyone or any company that puts him back in such a position will, in my view, be stooping to his level.

[avgas]

I support domestic violence.
Keep it off the street kids.

[Goblin]

I dont condone domestic voilence and I wont be listening to him either but I do believe that the 150k he paid her says he is/was very remorseful. She took the money then when she'd spent it all, she went to the media, not him.

Comparing him to a kiddie fiddler is like comparing apples and bananas.
Our National sport has a lot more domestic voilence than high profile television personalities but that all gets swept under the carpet and they have permament name suppression...because noone wants pointy ball sports to have a bad name. They guy has paid his dues. Let him get on with it.

[Karl08]

I am sure there are many of us, who have less than desirable pasts (including convictions for assault -domestic or otherwise). We are either defined by our past, or by what we have made from it.

I find it interesting that while there are folks on KB who deplore violence against women (as we should), KB is still littered with suggestions of violence when the issues of, say... a bike being pushed over, bikers being cut off in traffic, etc..well you get my point.

As for the "person" living next to a school... "I ask people to respect New Zealand's justice system and resist the temptation to name names or make other inflammatory comments." Got to say Hitcher- you can't have it both ways mate, if the court has made a decision- then we have got to respect that don't we?

[Goblin]

He broke her back and left her permanently disabled. Oh really? She looked to me to be in good health tending her horses...and bleating about the media attention she's brought on herself.

[Oakie]

I wouldn't be happy having a man capable of inflicting that level of violence on anyone living next to me. .

And yet, unless you live in an old folks home, I'll bet you do. Any reasonably healthy person (including a woman) is capable of that level of violence if pushed far enough. Not saying it's right but the beast lurks within us all.

[slowpoke]

Every part of my limited intellect is telling me to leave this the hell alone......but I'm bored at work so WTF.

What abusive, judgemental, twisted, egotistical, paragons of virtue we are.

Here we are kicking doors, breaking mirrors etc lashing out physically and verbally at cars and drivers for such simple acts as failing to indicate. And we're proud of it, with nary a voice of contrition or admonition.

And none of us have lost our rag over something as trivial as a recreational sport have we? Our sports heroes have never lashed out on the field have they? If they have it's because sport is more important than real, life changing situations isn't it? One of our motorcycling champions did exactly what Veitch did, only to a fellow competitor recently, and there was hardly a murmur let alone a witch hunt. Quite the opposite, people were encouraged to drop it.....and we did.

And how many chicks here have ever lost it and slapped a guy? Tipped a drink over someone in a lil' hissy fit? Best you fess up now, quit your jobs and go into hiding, 'cos that's what is expected from the "Stone him!" brigade on here. Assault is assault isn't it? (which is apparently the same as paedophilia for some....)

Hmmmph, who are we to judge someone we've never met who lashed out in a real life situation we know nothing about? Oh that's right he's on TV so we know every aspect of his character, and being well paid he must be a cunt, and being more successful than us he needs to be dragged down a peg or two, eh?

The guy doesn't have a history of violence, has admitted doing a fuggin' shitty thing, and will continue paying the price for many years to come. His training is in journalism/media so what's he supposed to do, become a plumber? Let him get on with rebuilding a shattered life, he's going to be carrying the public shame for what may well be forever.

What good lil' media lap dogs we are.....jump boy, sit boy, roll over boy......"Good boy, here's another lil' tidbit".......it's fuggin' nauseating.

[wbks]

<rambling out of context crap>I don't disagree to the fact that people should forget about Vietch, but are you really comparing tipping a drink over someone or kickin in door panels to a dude stomping on a woman so hard he fractures a bone in her back? I mean, I'm all for equality but theres something very fucked up about your perspective on the matter right now

[Winston001]

The guy doesn't have a history of violence, has admitted doing a fuggin' shitty thing, and will continue paying the price for many years to come.



Actually after this matter came to light, other violent incidents perpetrated by Tony Veitch going back a few years also became known. Because of his celebrity status and importance to his employer he was able to keep those quiet.

I do agree that public vindictiveness is distasteful - there is a place for compassion and forgiveness. However this man has never openly shown remorse or any comprehension of how vile his actions were. Instead he released carefully worded statements which in essence said he was sorry for the mess he'd got himself into. It was all about Tony.


Do you know if she had to pay it back? I think she should.......

I don't condone what he did at all, however I agree, she agreed to a bribe, then went back on her word, therefore he paid for a service, and she failed to provide it.........I wonder if it comes under the CGA? LOL!

I also thought it was illegal to accept bribes of this nature? (and of course to offer them).........so what's happening there?

I can guarantee that the financial settlement between them was carefully worded. Its unlawful to pay someone in return for not reporting a crime. But it is lawful to come to a private agreement of compensation without involving the courts.

As for breaking her word - that isn't true. A friend of hers whom she'd talked to in confidence actually broke the story. Kirsten herself refused interviews etc and maintained a dignified silence throughout the whole saga. She only told her own side after Tony had been convicted 9 months later.

[firefighter]

As for breaking her word - that isn't true. A friend of hers whom she'd talked to in confidence actually broke the story. Kirsten herself refused interviews etc and maintained a dignified silence throughout the whole saga. She only told her own side after Tony had been convicted 9 months later.

Yeah......She told her friend.....that is not keeping it all 'mum.'

She knew her friend would report it, and has now sold her story 9 months later.

Tony Veitch is due a refund.

I do however have to repeat I don't condone what he did at all (before the flames come) and am only making these statements in regards to the out of court settlement bribe money.

[avgas]

Actually after this matter came to light, other violent incidents perpetrated by Tony Veitch going back a few years also became known. Because of his celebrity status and importance to his employer he was able to keep those quiet.
I am always cautious about things like this.
Claims were made AFTER the later incident. Something tells me that the gravy train was on the boil at that point.
I think Veitch is a cock.......and probably a mongrel wife-beater to boot. But I also think he associates himself with the scum of women.
The previous probably got pissed off that the latter go paid out and they got nothing. So does that entitle them to a claim?

[Headbanger]

Yeah......She told her friend.....that is not keeping it all 'mum.'

She knew her friend would report it, and has now sold her story 9 months later.

Tony Veitch is due a refund.


I reckon shes got all the right in the world to fuck him back, Take his money and spill the beans. I'm sure he didn't ask her permission or discuss terms before he kicked her in the back while she was down.

He's a gutless little fuckin worm.

[CookMySock]

You listen to the raaaaaadio? :blink:

Like on your mantlepiece, radio?

Wasn't that invented hundreds of years ago, and obsolete 50 years ago?

Get digital, man.

Steve

[Skyryder]

I reckon shes got all the right in the world to fuck him back, Take his money and spill the beans. I'm sure he didn't ask her permission or discuss terms before he kicked her in the back while she was down.

He's a gutless little fuckin worm.


Yes a disgrace to the male sex. The only difference between Veitch and a rapist is that there was no sex involved.

The other thing I have seen no sign of remorse from Veitch. True to form once this issue got out of the courts he came out swinging. A second chance.................not a chance in my books.


Skyryder

[rustic101]

What? KB faces legal action if the identity of the bike pusher is published prior to the case, and Frosty's case against him is dead in the water if that happens.

Saying that Veitch is an odious piece of crap is in no way hypocritical and you're reaching in the extreme trying to connect the two. Neither KB nor Hitcher faces legal action for pointing out that Tony Veitch's target audience is likely to be comprised of a demographic that ranges from secretly supportive to openly celebratory of Mr Veitch's attempt to define the position of women in NZ as an easily silenced mobile punching bag, subservient to his "career". I don't remember it being illegal to object to someone of demonstrably dubious character being given a position of supposed public import. It isn;t illegal for him to try and re-establish his "career" either, but I wouldn't advertise during his segment lest me and my product be lumped in with the wife bashers.

Moderators are bikers and posters too. Are you suggesting that moderators aren't allowed to have opinions about anything at all? How is that in any way fair for a time intensive volunteer job? There's no money, no contract. I'm not following your line of reasoning at all. The post in Frosty's thread was clearly identified as "official moderator business". The post in this thread was Hitcher's opinion about Tony Veitch.

You a picture. However,,,, in fact, I'll stop there as trying to explain anything else my just confuse you more.

[rustic101]

I have a soapbox. I am standing on it. You appear to be either an idiot or a troll. It's Christmas, so I'll let you choose which.

Go and get a Fucking big dog up ya you clown!!! - See I can be sarcastic too, its easy..

What I provided to you was a statement based off fact that you appear to be a hypocrite. Rather than reply with something intellectual, you have replied with a personal attack. Which judging by a number of your historical posts seems to be the only thing you are good at!!!

Until such time as you are able to have an intellectual, adult debate and apply common sense and rules that are consistent with Law and Common sense then why don’t you just sit in the corner like the good little b’arch you appear to be (yet more sarcasm if you had not figured that last piece out).

Another – point unless you are able to be balanced and unbiased I suggest you hand in you moderator abilities,,

P.S Santa is not real stop acting like a three year old.

[Ronin]

What I provided to you was a statement based off fact that you appear to be a hypocrite.

Looked like an opinion based on a misinterpretation to me.

In the pushmeoverwithyourhandbag thread, Hitcher was, as part of the team that helps run the site, warning that as the case was before the courts caution was needed.

In this thread he was voicing a personal opinion.

You appear to be making it his problem that you don't understand the difference.


FWIW In my opinion Veitch should be left to rot in his own personal hell.

[Kickaha]

Another – point unless you are able to be balanced and unbiased I suggest you hand in you moderator abilities,,

His status as a moderator doesn't mean he isn't allowed an opinion

[slowpoke]

I don't disagree to the fact that people should forget about Vietch, but are you really comparing tipping a drink over someone or kickin in door panels to a dude stomping on a woman so hard he fractures a bone in her back? I mean, I'm all for equality but theres something very fucked up about your perspective on the matter right now

I was alluding to the way we often see violence as acceptable and they way we are allowed to be violent but others aren't. It was meant to show that even the holier than thou bone pointers on here are capable of or for that matter guilty of assault. Yep, different degrees and all that but when is violence seen as OK in anything other than a self defence situation?

My comparison wasn't about equality, it was about hopefully making some extremely judgemental vanilla people realise they may have also snapped at some point, and maybe they aren't quite as pure as they thought.

I'm comfortable with the fact I know next to nothing about the case and therefore reserve judgement, but the way others seem only too happy to form a hysterical mob to hunt him down based soleyon sensationalist media coverage doesn't sit well at all.

I in no way condone what the bloke did, but I also in no way condone burning him at the cross or persecuting him forever more.


The only difference between Veitch and a rapist is that there was no sex involved.


What the fuck? Have a think about what you've just written there pal.......if you can't see something wrong with that statement then I'm not gonna waste my finger tips spelling it out for ya....... :weird:

[SS90]

Now, please don't think wrong of me here, and I will admit that I am not 100% up with the real facts in this case (but who is), but can anyone on here honestly say that Tony Vietch was not in some way provoked by this woman?

I am not saying "she deserved it" (no one does), but I seem to remember recently an All Black having problems with his woman (who laid false claims).

I just can't shake the nagging doubt that there is more to this story than we will ever know.

Granted, they where having a row, but then he just laid into her?

Hmmmmm,

I don't know about that.

Yes, he is a cunt for what he did, but I personally have had a girlfriend "push my buttons" in the worst possible way (OK, I never hit her), but as a male, I know it is hard to keep you shit together when a woman is pushing your buttons, particularly a woman that knows your fears hopes etc.

Particularly when they feel they need to "punish" you.

[wbks]

I was alluding to the way we often see violence as acceptable and they way we are allowed to be violent but others aren't. It was meant to show that even the holier than thou bone pointers on here are capable of or for that matter guilty of assault. Yep, different degrees and all that but when is violence seen as OK in anything other than a self defence situation?

My comparison wasn't about equality, it was about hopefully making some extremely judgemental vanilla people realise they may have also snapped at some point, and maybe they aren't quite as pure as they thought.

I'm comfortable with the fact I know next to nothing about the case and therefore reserve judgement, but the way others seem only too happy to form a hysterical mob to hunt him down based soleyon sensationalist media coverage doesn't sit well at all.

I in no way condone what the bloke did, but I also in no way condone burning him at the cross or persecuting him forever more.


What the fuck? Have a think about what you've just written there pal.......if you can't see something wrong with that statement then I'm not gonna waste my finger tips spelling it out for ya....... :weird:I don't think people should persecute him based on what they hear through the media either, but I personally believe that woman beating is a step below the normal man "snapping". I guarantee you any dude would beat the crap out of another (or atleast try) if he was pushed far enough, but most DECENT people know when to get the fuck out of there when they are even thinking of KICKING their gf. Inexcusable douche bag, IMO.

[Goblin]

but most DECENT people know when to get the fuck out of there when they are even thinking of KICKING their gf. Inexcusable douche bag, IMO.Maybe he was trying to "get the fuck out" of his own home when the shrew threw herself on the floor in front of his bedroom door. Maybe she shoulda just got the fuck outa there before she'd wound him up to the point of exploding. It takes two to fight you know...its not as if he just kicked her for the hell of it.
SS90 is right that some women do provoke the hell outa their men and then cry when they get what they get the reaction they asked for. Poor victim!

[wbks]

Maybe he was trying to "get the fuck out" of his own home when the shrew threw herself on the floor in front of his bedroom door. Maybe she shoulda just got the fuck outa there before she'd wound him up to the point of exploding. It takes two to fight you know...its not as if he just kicked her for the hell of it.
SS90 is right that some women do provoke the hell outa their men and then cry when they get what they get the reaction they asked for. Poor victim!Do you call yourself a "man"? Using "She was asking for it" as an excuse shows that you are a weak person, and as far as I know people don't choose to get their back stomped on, and no he didn't just do it for the hell of it, he did it because he's a fuckin' weak minded worm, just like the people who excuse that kind of behavior by saying "she asked for it".

[Headbanger]

Maybe he was trying to "get the fuck out" of his own home when the shrew threw herself on the floor in front of his bedroom door. Maybe she shoulda just got the fuck outa there before she'd wound him up to the point of exploding. It takes two to fight you know...its not as if he just kicked her for the hell of it.
SS90 is right that some women do provoke the hell outa their men and then cry when they get what they get the reaction they asked for. Poor victim!

So, If I gave you some baseball bat treatment, then just said you were askin for it, You would be cool?

After all, In hindsight I could just give a list of things you "shouda" done to avoid my wrath, so now, You be beat like you deserve, You poor poor victim.

Seriously, Your logic sucks balls, its weak, and its pathetic.

People get provoked everyday, Its up to them as to how they deal with it, Losing your cool with someone you can easily "beat" and then going even further and kicking them in the back why on the ground, That's just scumbag bullshit.

[James Deuce]

Now, please don't think wrong of me here, and I will admit that I am not 100% up with the real facts in this case (but who is), but can anyone on here honestly say that Tony Vietch was not in some way provoked by this woman?

I am not saying "she deserved it" (no one does), but I seem to remember recently an All Black having problems with his woman (who laid false claims).

I just can't shake the nagging doubt that there is more to this story than we will ever know.

Granted, they where having a row, but then he just laid into her?

Hmmmmm,

I don't know about that.

Yes, he is a cunt for what he did, but I personally have had a girlfriend "push my buttons" in the worst possible way (OK, I never hit her), but as a male, I know it is hard to keep you shit together when a woman is pushing your buttons, particularly a woman that knows your fears hopes etc.

Particularly when they feel they need to "punish" you.

It's irrelevant. There is no defence for permanently injuring someone. What you've written is why NZ has horrific domestic violence stats.

[Headbanger]

Woohoo, Aint it awesome we can take time even on Christmas day to continue the Veitch woman bash debate.

I'm going back out to the swimming pool:apint:

[Ronin]

Now, please don't think wrong of me here, and I will admit that I am not 100% up with the real facts in this case (but who is), but can anyone on here honestly say that Tony Vietch was not in some way provoked by this woman?

I am not saying "she deserved it" (no one does), but I seem to remember recently an All Black having problems with his woman (who laid false claims).

I just can't shake the nagging doubt that there is more to this story than we will ever know.

Granted, they where having a row, but then he just laid into her?

Hmmmmm,

I don't know about that.

Yes, he is a cunt for what he did, but I personally have had a girlfriend "push my buttons" in the worst possible way (OK, I never hit her), but as a male, I know it is hard to keep you shit together when a woman is pushing your buttons, particularly a woman that knows your fears hopes etc.

Particularly when they feel they need to "punish" you.

Two words:

Walk Away

100% guaranteed to solve any situation where you feel someone is winding you up.

[MSTRS]

Do you call yourself a "man"? You are soooo gonna regret that...




Walk Away



Good advice. Not always possible to do, though.


Someone said we'll never know the full story. Very true. No-one else was there, were they?
However, something happened. It's over. He's been 'dealt with', apparently to the satisfaction of the parties involved and the law.
Move on.

[wbks]

You are soooo gonna regret that...



Good advice. Not always possible to do, though.


Someone said we'll never know the full story. Very true. No-one else was there, were they?
However, something happened. It's over. He's been 'dealt with', apparently to the satisfaction of the parties involved and the law.
Move on.
Meh, knob goblin sounds like a female anyway, and I was partly trollin

[Genie]

Maybe he was trying to "get the fuck out" of his own home when the shrew threw herself on the floor in front of his bedroom door. Maybe she shoulda just got the fuck outa there before she'd wound him up to the point of exploding. It takes two to fight you know...its not as if he just kicked her for the hell of it.
SS90 is right that some women do provoke the hell outa their men and then cry when they get what they get the reaction they asked for. Poor victim!

I'm going to get hell for saying this, oh well.
But, there are people out there, men and woman, who do like that scenerio. We all have our own "quirks". No body should ever hit another, but it happens, some like it some don't! We're all different.

I wasn't in the room when their shit went down, but, it happens, probably happening right now in behind somebody else's door.

We all have an 'explosion' point, Tony found his, hope he never goes near it again. :oi-grr:

[Winston001]

.........but can anyone on here honestly say that Tony Vietch was not in some way provoked by this woman?

I am not saying "she deserved it" (no one does), but.....

I just can't shake the nagging doubt that there is more to this story than we will ever know.

I personally have had a girlfriend "push my buttons" in the worst possible way (OK, I never hit her), but as a male, I know it is hard to keep you shit together when a woman is pushing your buttons, particularly a woman that knows your fears hopes etc.


You raise a good point which has been researched, but naturally I can't find a link. :cool:

First off I don't condone violence against anyone. I'm also lucky that I don't feel that level of anger. Nevertheless there are some fundamental differences between men's and women's abilities to express themselves.

Women are simply better with words. They have an intuition which allows them to pick out personal weaknesses and twist. Men - well, we are a bit slow on the uptake. Generally we don't deliberately use hurtful words because if we are that angry, we lash out or walk away. Plus if we are angry the brain's CPU closes down and conversation is redundant.

Today, men are socialised to walk away from domestic disputes - except for egos like Veitch. Somewhat oddly this leads to women complaining that men won't communicate - they simply leave. There is a complete disconnect of perspective here and as I understand it, family counsellors have to explain to women this is the safe way guys handle stress and rage.

Ultimately no provocation can justify Veitch's actions and the reason I continue to view him with contempt is his public pronouncements have been "poor Tony, gimme a break"........


You are soooo gonna regret that...


LOL just what I was thinking. :buggerd:

[98tls]

Now, please don't think wrong of me here, and I will admit that I am not 100% up with the real facts in this case (but who is), but can anyone on here honestly say that Tony Vietch was not in some way provoked by this woman?

I am not saying "she deserved it" (no one does), but I seem to remember recently an All Black having problems with his woman (who laid false claims).

I just can't shake the nagging doubt that there is more to this story than we will ever know.

Granted, they where having a row, but then he just laid into her?

Hmmmmm,

I don't know about that.

Yes, he is a cunt for what he did, but I personally have had a girlfriend "push my buttons" in the worst possible way (OK, I never hit her), but as a male, I know it is hard to keep you shit together when a woman is pushing your buttons, particularly a woman that knows your fears hopes etc.

Particularly when they feel they need to "punish" you. Can imagine Mr Weatherston lying back on his bunk feeling quite justified after reading that.

[Oakie]

Ok. I'm over this thread. There's no middle ground. People are polarised. No point continuing. Those who disagree with Mr Veitch's reinstatment can tune the dial away from the Radio Network as was the original question posed in this thread. Those who don't disagree with the reinstatement can tune in as they like.

Moving on....

[tigertim20]

They've hired Tony Veitch.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/3190394/Tony-Veitch-to-return-in-2010

I'll be switching stations, how about the rest of you?

fuck off, for a start, the 'facts' of the case were always questionable, and second, he has done his time, he got his sentence, move on.

[scumdog]

They've hired Tony Veitch.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/3190394/Tony-Veitch-to-return-in-2010

I'll be switching stations, how about the rest of you?

I guess you had better look up the criminal history of all high-profile NZers so's you don't inadvertently listen to/watch/talk to whatever any who have beaten-up on their doris.

(not that I approve of what Mr Veitch has been up to).

[Oakie]

I guess you had better look up the criminal history of all high-profile NZers so's you don't inadvertently listen to/watch/talk to whatever any who have beaten-up on their doris. .

For a start you can stop watching the All Blacks and probably a few Aussie League teams.
EDIT: Ooh, and 'Two and a Half Men' or anything else with Charlie Sheen in it (as of reports this afternoon)

EDIT: Shit ... and I said was moving on.

[Headbanger]

Ok. I'm over this thread. There's no middle ground. People are polarised. No point continuing. Those who disagree with Mr Veitch's reinstatment can tune the dial away from the Radio Network as was the original question posed in this thread. Those who don't disagree with the reinstatement can tune in as they like.

Moving on....

If its of any consolation I'm indifferent to his reinstatement:rockon:

[Brett]

He's done the crime, done the time...why can't he have his life back?
I won't be boycotting them..how silly can you get.

I quite agree. Some people are going to get all silly about this though.

[McJim]

Damn.

I have no idea which radio stations are Radio Network, Can West or TRB :( I'll just have to carry on as I have always done. Not giving a fuck. :2thumbsup:

[Oakie]

If its of any consolation I'm indifferent to his reinstatement:rockon:

I can live with your indifference very comfortably thank you.

[Skyryder]

Veitches position as a radio host is in effect a return to public life. His role as a radio broadcaster is in my opinion a stepping stone for his return to the televison studio. His new job is nothing more than a PR exercise to gauge public opinion and to soften the public for his return into our living rooms.

Much has been said about the choice that Veitch can be turned off if so desired. That is true but equally the same can be said: why should I and others who have found his behavour below the accepted standards of our society forgo a program be it on radio or tv that we enjoy.

Some have compared this choice to that of watching a team, whose one or more of it’s players have been convicted of assault on a female. They see no difference in this and Radio Network employing Veitch. At first it looks as if it would be difficult to argue against this comparison on the ground that if one is to employ their moral integrity in respect to violence against woman then both a team and the individual should be treated equally as one. This however is not the case. Veitch is a single employee who is the centre of the program. It is his face, voice that is projected as the product. This is not the case where the individual is part of the team. The team is the product and as such the question is. Should the whole team be boycotted due to the actions of one of it’s members? The answer to that can be said that a better comparison to Veitch is that of Charlie Sheen (someone has) or to Roman Polanski.

The second theme that comes out is that Veitch has paid his dues and should be allowed to move on. This is tantamount to suggesting that those whose oppose his appointment are unforgiving. I make no bones that I am not a forgiving man by nature. I require some show of remorse, sorrow and a genuine apology. I’ve seen neither from Veitch. In fact the very opposite. I in what most have concluded to be hollow cry of sympathy with his suicide attempts.

Forgiveness is not something that comes easily to most. Much of what we can forgive comes down to our values of not only the crime but the perpetrator as well. We may be able to forgive some swindler who has ripped off a bank but do the same to a Health Board and it’s another story. Does society forgive pedophiles? No need to answer that one. Or rapists……………most of us would not…………..what about wife beaters…………….do we really forgive these people where there is no remorse. And what about those that shoot cops……………don’t see much forgiveness there either.

And yet Veitch boots and kicks a woman to such an extent that she become injured, shows no remorse what so ever and some on here believe that he should be allowed to move on. No ones stopping him. I just don’t want him to move into my airspace be it in the car or in the lounge.

Skyryder

PS He's a woman basher. He'll do this again.....................cause he thinks they deserve it.

[scumdog]

PS He's a woman basher. He'll do this again.....................cause he thinks they deserve it.

Ain't THAT the truth.......:weep:

[Headbanger]

I boycott Charlie Sheen because his work is shit. Has he been in anything beside Platoon that was worth watching?

I commend him for a lifetime of fucking hot women though.

[Lias]

fuck off, for a start, the 'facts' of the case were always questionable, and second, he has done his time, he got his sentence, move on.

He admitted he kicked a woman on the ground hard enough to break her back. That's so far beyond cowardly, I honestly think he deserved the death penalty for it. He sure as fuck does not deserve any second chances, and I would happily beat him into the ground and see how he likes a good kicking if I was ever unfortunate enough to encounter him in person.

[Lias]

I boycott Charlie Sheen because his work is also shit. Has he been in anything beside Platoon that was worth watching?

I commend him for a lifetime of fucking hot women though.

Two and a half men can be pretty damn funny.

[Fatjim]

Go and get a Fucking big dog up ya you clown!!! - See I can be sarcastic too, its easy..

What I provided to you was a statement based off fact that you appear to be a hypocrite. Rather than reply with something intellectual, you have replied with a personal attack. Which judging by a number of your historical posts seems to be the only thing you are good at!!!

Until such time as you are able to have an intellectual, adult debate and apply common sense and rules that are consistent with Law and Common sense then why don’t you just sit in the corner like the good little b’arch you appear to be (yet more sarcasm if you had not figured that last piece out).

Another – point unless you are able to be balanced and unbiased I suggest you hand in you moderator abilities,,

P.S Santa is not real stop acting like a three year old.

Wow, another noob about to go international.


Do you call yourself a "man"? Using "She was asking for it" as an excuse shows that you are a weak person, and as far as I know people don't choose to get their back stomped on, and no he didn't just do it for the hell of it, he did it because he's a fuckin' weak minded worm, just like the people who excuse that kind of behavior by saying "she asked for it".




People get provoked everyday, Its up to them as to how they deal with it, Losing your cool with someone you can easily "beat" and then going even further and kicking them in the back why on the ground, That's just scumbag bullshit.

Pretty naive to think you can walk away from every situation. Those men who'e lived in really bad relationships might tell you otherwise.




PS He's a woman basher. He'll do this again.....................cause he thinks they deserve it.

Not sure that domestic violence is like rape. There's often two "victims" in DV, where as in rape there is only one.

But having said that, TV seems to have a track record, and there is also Small Mans Syndrome to consider.

[74 knuckle]

Theres no greater punishment than the one we put ourselves through, the measure of that punishment, is depicted by the amount of ridicule others portray to the subject. this mans own demeanor will either pull him through it or break him. do we really need to add to his agony? whatever happened to JUDGE NOT THAT YOU BE NOT JUDGED. None of us can be perfect so why do we degrade ourselves by reflecting on others transgressions. TAKE A HARD LOOK IN THE MIRROR guys I'm sure we can find plenty of our own faults.......

[Hitcher]

I'm sure we can find plenty of our own faults...

Yes. But unlike the egregious, conniving and manipulative Mr Veitch, we don't rely on our celebrity to make a living.

[wysper]

Tony Veitch, as well as being an abusive and unrepentant POS is also a pretty average sports jock. I don't know what his new employer is thinking. I'm certain that they could find somebody just as good to do this job. Perhaps they want to attract misogynistic women beaters as a target audience?

Martin Devlin. 'Nuff Said.

[Fatt Max]

I've just finished reading his book:

"Men are from Mars, Women need a kick in the back..."

IMHO, he's a dickhead generally. I met him 2 years ago at a Warriors game and found him to be a self obsessed small minded little prat. He loved ordering the bar staff around and never said please or thank you. Dont listen to the stations he will be on and dont really care. He's simply a rude little bastard.......and he got the score wrong in the Euro '96 England v Germany semi final.....

......and he drives a fucking Audi......

........and he's not fat.......

......and Mrs Max reckons he would look good with a fucking great Rottweiler fair right up his rusty sherrifs badge