Revenue collecting.

[rastuscat]

Right, lets see what DB thinks of this.

You get stopped by a cop, he gives you a ticket for, say, $80. Miserable revenue-collecting toe rag.

You then go and pay it. Imagine that, fool. Well, anyway, this is only a fairy tale.

The $80 goes to the consolidated fund. It does not go to the polis. Fact.

The ticket costs the polis $27 to write and process. That accounts for all the money it takes to print the ticket books, pay the wages of the cop writing it, process the written ticket and forward the paperwork on to the courts system. Yes, $27 per ticket. That's $540 per book, there's 20 in each book. Fact.

So it costs the polis $27 to write and process your ticket, and the $80 doesn't go to the polis.

Now, how does that make the polis revenue collectors? From my calculations, it seems they would be better off stopping writing tickets.

Maybe there's another reason, like wanting people to comply with the law. Now, there's a foreign concept. How would DB cope with that idea? That they actually aren't revenue collectors, they are actually spending money to write tickets?

Tee hee

[Littleman]

I want digits lopped off as punnishment.
They will back peddle horribly on the revenue gathering argument.

[98tls]

Imagine what an election costs then,fuck it i will "vote no more",Better bang for your buck getting a speeding ticket.

[AllanB]

Working on your theory of a ticket being worth only $27, and working on the theory that was all that was charged if caught speeding, what would be the deterrent to reduce speeding?

Hell if $27 was all it would cost me if I was caught fatting along at 160 on a Sunday morning ..................

Having said that, it would be a lot better if the money earned from road related ticketing was put back into the roads or road related training/education.

[CookMySock]

I got done some months ago, for doing 105k while towing a trailer. It was a fair cop - I wasn't watching.. I had been driving for 7 hours, I was tired, all straight road.. long line of traffic following me.. so I paid it. It pissed me off, just like it would the next person. I got flashed, my detector went off, I saw him, I drove plain smack dab into his radar trap, his car door opens.. you know the story. Bugger.

That is not the problem.

The problem, is cops trumping up bullshit against ordinary citizens.

Can I make that any clearer?

Steve

[FJRider]

So it costs the polis $27 to write and process your ticket, and the $80 doesn't go to the polis.

Now, how does that make the polis revenue collectors? From my calculations, it seems they would be better off stopping writing tickets.

Maybe there's another reason, like wanting people to comply with the law. Now, there's a foreign concept. How would DB cope with that idea? That they actually aren't revenue collectors, they are actually spending money to write tickets?



Perhaps ... The Goverment, as the Employers of the Police, pay the Police, to write out tickets. If it costs $27 to write a ticket ... and get $80 from that ticket (is that GST inclusive .. ???) ...a nice little earner ... :beer:

[Pixie]

Here's how the ersatz quota system works:
Land Transport and ACC contract the NZ police to perform traffic safety enforcement duties.
They want evidence that their money is well spent.
The police provide that evidence in the form of the number of road safety "contacts" made (fines).
If Land Transport and ACC are happy with the result,they will fund the police to the same extent next year or maybe to an even greater extent.
Meaning money for more HP cops,more fancy cars like the supercharged Holden the cop in Mangawhai has and more toys of any description.
If the number of "contacts" (fines) drops,the police might get less money.
The problem is,Joe Public is driving slower,drinking less and wearing his seat belt (the only 3 things that cause death on the road.)This means that the police have less cause to issue tickets.
That is why the cops are always pushing for lower speed limits,lower alcohol limits etc. to compensate for the potential loss of revenue (toys) that increasing lawfulness on the road brings.

Simple eh?
Oh yeah, the road toll goes up in spite of this,may come down a little when the price of fuel increases,but that's by the by.

[firefighter]

Who the fucks the Polis?

[Ronin]

Who the fucks the Polis?


A polis (πόλις, pronunciation [pól.is], ['pɒl.ɪs] in English) -- plural: poleis (πόλεις, pronunciation [pól.eːs], ['pɒl.eɪz] in English) -- is a city, a city-state and also citizenship and body of citizens. When used to describe Classical Athens and its contemporaries, polis is often translated as "city-state."

Although I'm thinking thats not what the op means.

[Brian d marge]

Your catching on about that consolidated fund ,,, SOE anyone... great bit of book keeping that one

Stephen

[FJRider]

Your catching on about that consolidated fund ,,, SOE anyone... great bit of book keeping that one

Stephen

Perhaps an increase on the Fine amounts ... and they wont need to put the ACC levys up ... :chase: :dodge:

[Thaeos]

Perhaps an increase on the Fine amounts ... and they wont need to put the ACC levys up ... :chase: :dodge:

Eh, I don't know shit about how it really works, but speeding tickets and the like should never be viewed as a revenue source, ever. If that's how it is seen by the government and policy makers, well then shit, the dicks, they don't actually care about public safety do they.

[Miscreant]

Here's how the ersatz quota system works:
Land Transport and ACC contract the NZ police to perform traffic safety enforcement duties.
Not to mention your local council.
Don't ya just love it when people use your money to pay the cops to take your money and/or license.

[LBD]

That burdan on the govt coffers is recognised here in Kyrgyzstan especiall by speeding drivers and the police.

So what happens when you are stopped? You get out of the car, the officer salutes you, you shake hands...you ask ...Skulka? (How much) He says 300 som...($6) you hand over 1 or 2 hundred and smile and walk off....or you can wait for a reciept in which case the fine increases from 300som to 1000 som and you will be waiting for an hour or two....

[Brian d marge]

That burdan on the govt coffers is recognised here in Kyrgyzstan especiall by speeding drivers and the police.

So what happens when you are stopped? You get out of the car, the officer salutes you, you shake hands...you ask ...Skulka? (How much) He says 300 som...($6) you hand over 1 or 2 hundred and smile and walk off....or you can wait for a reciept in which case the fine increases from 300som to 1000 som and you will be waiting for an hour or two....

there ya go ,,good honest dishonesty ,,, works a treat , everyone know where everyone stands

worked in Greece Japan some parts of england and a small Balkan state

now if I could only convince Joe plumber I could walk on water I would be home and hosed at the next election !

Stephen

[MSTRS]

........
Now, how does that make the polis revenue collectors?
...........

Oh yes they are. The polis are paid by the government to collect from motorists. No different to the wallahs at Inland Revenue.

[scumdog]

Who the fucks the Polis?

Go to Glasgow - they'll tell you who the Polis are....;)

[MSTRS]

Aye Jummy..they wull...

[oldrider]

Perhaps ... The Goverment, as the Employers of the Police, pay the Police, to write out tickets. If it costs $27 to write a ticket ... and get $80 from that ticket (is that GST inclusive .. ???) ...a nice little earner ... :beer:

The government employ the Police! Who employs the government? Us....the people!

The Police are working for Us the people, they are doing "our" bidding!

What they do to us, is because of us, we make the rules through the politicians that we employ!

It's quite clear to me who the fuckwits are in this case! Merry Christmas fellow fuckwits! :Pokey:

[red mermaid]

You are so succint and accurate, oldrider.

[dipshit]

The government employ the Police! Who employs the government? Us....the people!

The Police are working for Us the people, they are doing "our" bidding!


Then they are making sure you are getting value for your money.

[rastuscat]

Okay, so it's a roundabout argument.

The cops collect revenue for the government. The government spends money on us, so that means the polis collect money for us.

Does that make us revenue collectors, through the votes we make once every election?

Hey, here's a gimme............

If you really think ticketing is all about revenue collecting, fix the bastards (yes, me) by not allowing me to write you a ticket............don't break the law. That way, I'll be unable to write tickets.

It's a no brainer really. Check it out.............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-IsZpwZgUE

[oldrider]

It's a no brainer really. Check it out.............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-IsZpwZgUE

Restore driver responsibility and consequence by clearing out outdated ridiculous meaningless road laws!

Fewer but more meaningful laws! Harsher penalties! More support for the police by the judiciary and law society! (The general public will soon follow)

Introduce a balance of reduced speed areas with increased speed areas!

Improve the standard of our roads, especially in so called "Blackspot" areas "quickly"! (rather than just talking about it for 100years)

Drivers who have self respect, respect for the law and respect for our country, will be better drivers, because they all want to be safe!

Stop treating everyone not like children but like responsible adults!

New Zealand roads are safe despite the law enforcement, not because of it!

With the correct inducements we can and should be able to do better!

We are all responsible mature citizens, kick the arse of those who are not (for a change) and kick them fucking hard! :yes:

[red mermaid]

My vote is on oldrider to become a Judge, it would make my job so much easier.

[Jantar]

...If you really think ticketing is all about revenue collecting, fix the bastards (yes, me) by not allowing me to write you a ticket............don't break the law. That way, I'll be unable to write tickets.

It's a no brainer really. .................

For most cops that idea is great and really works. Unfortunately there are some who just must meet their quota so they will give tickets even to people who are obeying the road rules. There are too many documented cases of this happening to deny it, and we now have dedicated cop(s) facing perjury charges because they have been caught out.

Most cops are good bastards doing a tough job. Like in all walks of life there are a few who aren't. These are the revenue collectors.

[FJRider]

Restore driver responsibility and consequence by clearing out outdated ridiculous meaningless road laws!:

Drunk in charge of a horse is still in the books ... ;)


Fewer but more meaningful laws! Harsher penalties! More support for the police by the judiciary and law society! (The general public will soon follow)

But the Lawyers are paid to allow "the (ALLEDGED) accused" to get them off, or reduce the penaltys ... all in accordance with the law. :crazy:



Introduce a balance of reduced speed areas with increased speed areas!

People do not obey current speed limits now ... :pinch:


Improve the standard of our roads, especially in so called "Blackspot" areas "quickly"! (rather than just talking about it for 100years)

Blackspots are where more people fuck-up on the road more often than other places ... usually those who can not, or will not, drive to the conditions... :angry:


Drivers who have self respect, respect for the law and respect for our country, will be better drivers, because they all want to be safe!

Nahhhhh ... they're in too big a dam hurry ... How many "enforcers" here on site have heard from a crash "victim" ... I cant believe this happened to me, I'm a good driver ... :gob:


Stop treating everyone not like children but like responsible adults!

Perhaps when the adults stop acting like spoilt children ... :crybaby:


New Zealand roads are safe despite the law enforcement, not because of it!

Except for the blackspots ... ??? :innocent:


With the correct inducements we can and should be able to do better!

Bigger fines ... ???? :eek5:


We are all responsible mature citizens, kick the arse of those who are not (for a change) and kick them fucking hard! :yes:

You're forgetting .... this is KB ... ;)

[325rocket]

Who the fucks the Polis?

if only it was the 'poli's' we could pay them in KFC.

[Tank]

That is not the problem.

The problem, is cops trumping up bullshit against ordinary citizens.

Can I make that any clearer?



Yep - you could explain why so many of New Zealand's ordinary citizens never, ever have any issues at all - yet people like you seem to cop it all the time.

Perhaps its not them?

[Littleman]

In DB's world, the dots just don't get joined. Period.

[red mermaid]

In DB's world, the dots just don't get joined. Period.

Perhaps that explains a lot about him...when his eyes are open he has dots dancing in front of them?