View Full Version : New F4 & F5 GP Champs congrats
F5 Dave
29th December 2009, 08:16
Well it appears I'm first back at a PC So I'll announce congrats to the two new GP champs.
F4 Andrew A from Wgtn. On a dirty diesel FXR. I don't know any other placings as it was only by text. Must have ridden a stella race, bet he is well happy with that result.
F5 Nathanial (sp?) D.
Someone will fill in the placings & goss underneath (or ignore this & post them in an entirely different thread).
Taz
29th December 2009, 08:18
But they are not real race classes though :p
F5 Dave
29th December 2009, 08:25
Yeah hilarious. Still live at home do you?
ajturbo
29th December 2009, 08:38
avolon came 2nd on a borrowed bike... man she looked good going past me... and she only did it once!!!!!!
was a great day racing.. i learn't that you need fuel to make it around the track... AND that my bike has a reserve leaver!!!!... wooo hooo!!!
it was great to see the "top" guys in action.....
and thanks for the laughs guys and girls... and to my pitbitch.... you now have a job next time you come racing with me....yeah, checking i have fuel..... looks like i suck at that also... lol
Bert
29th December 2009, 08:59
Another well run event, a big thank you to the organisers.
It is fantastic to see the share number of riders from around the country and well prepared & presented bikes that attended the event. It was a great demonstration of the F4 and F5 classes; with great battles throughout the field. From the comments that heard around the track the crowd showed great interest in what was shown (which can only be good for the future of the classes).
Congratulations to the new National Champions; wear the number one plates with pride.
:first:
But they are not real race classes though :p
who's this git????:mad: go away and study up of NZ National classes.
F5 Dave
29th December 2009, 08:59
So she would have been 2nd in the F5 as well?
Rick 52
29th December 2009, 09:04
F4 Andrew A from Wgtn. On a dirty diesel FXR. I don't know any other placings as it was only by text. Must have ridden a stella race, bet he is well happy with that result.
F5 Nathanial (sp?) D.
Yes a great win from Andrew he was flying and a Great ride from Nathanial it was a shame your bike bogged and you didn't get to challenge how was the lap times to yours in the race ? next year
F5 Dave
29th December 2009, 09:12
I didn't look at the times, just what his dad had told me, but it had me going slower than the year before by ~ 7 seconds a lap & that is night & day & it didn't feel like it. As I said the timing there is more guess work that anything else, they come up with some wacky results. The only time I rode with Nat was on the warm up lap, I did a lazy roll out of a corner so I could pull in behind when he was on full song on the back straight. His bike was hauling pretty well, but I caught up & dragged him after the connecting chicane & he was pretty tentative down the hill onto the straight. But the red flag was now out as we entered the straight for the start so you can hardly judge a race speed by the warm up can you?
Quasi
29th December 2009, 09:30
and thanks for the laughs guys and girls... and to my pitbitch.... you now have a job next time you come racing with me....yeah, checking i have fuel..... looks like i suck at that also... lol
AJ's Pitbitch extrordinaire here. Bugger that - next time he can pit for me and i will get out there on the bucket:lol:
Was fun meeting some of the guys and gals who make up wellington buckets. What a great group of people. Some pix below.
1 and 2 - what an awesome line up in the bucket pit - how many bikes....!
Quasi
29th December 2009, 09:35
and some more
2nd pic - you can see where the son got his racing style, speed and technique from......:rofl:
woodyracer
29th December 2009, 10:31
I didn't look at the times, just what his dad had told me, but it had me going slower than the year before by ~ 7 seconds a lap & that is night & day & it didn't feel like it. As I said the timing there is more guess work that anything else, they come up with some wacky results. The only time I rode with Nat was on the warm up lap, I did a lazy roll out of a corner so I could pull in behind when he was on full song on the back straight. His bike was hauling pretty well, but I caught up & dragged him after the connecting chicane & he was pretty tentative down the hill onto the straight. But the red flag was now out as we entered the straight for the start so you can hardly judge a race speed by the warm up can you?
your so right!! the timing is way slow......there is various good examples of how the timing is slow.
Buckets4Me
29th December 2009, 11:17
what a day :2thumbsup
and to be in frount of F5Dave for most of a race :2thumbsup (sorry about the bad start)
I must say that was the best year yet (and only going to get better)
4 pit garages (5-6-7-8) full of buckets + 1 rs125 :2thumbsup
and I went better than I have ever gone before (best place of 13th)
see you all next year (I think they had better run 2 classes for the F4's)
there where way more bikes than any other class out there :banana:
saxet
29th December 2009, 11:17
Big ups to Andrew A. Glad that me taking him out in his first ever bucket practice didn't scare him off. GOOOO WELLY.
Buckets4Me
29th December 2009, 11:25
your so right!! the timing is way slow......there is various good examples of how the timing is slow.
or fast :2thumbsup I lost 8-10 seconds a lap this year over last :2thumbsup
koba
29th December 2009, 11:53
Good shit guys and girls!
That was a hoot!
jasonu
29th December 2009, 12:16
[QUOTE=F5 Dave;1129589974]Well it appears I'm first back at a PC So I'll announce congrats to the two new GP champs.
When you say 'first to a PC' don't you really mean 'first back to work and using the work PC on work time to post personal stuff on KB...'
Keep it up mate, better luck next year. Me and Picker have been discussing likely mods, rebuilt shock, new front end, try to move the motor etc.
Does anyone have a pic of the winning F4 bike?
richban
29th December 2009, 14:58
Well done to everyone. Its was my first time on the Taupo track and I loved it.
I have just finished cleaning all the volcanic kitty litter out of my engine. Looks like when I went down the throttle got stuck open and engine processed some rock. Never mind. The bike is not to bad broken faring, throttle and right foot peg.
That was the fastest crash I have had. Still not quite sure how it happened. Looks like a flat front tyre. Helmet is toast gloves saved my hands big style.
That was such a great even I am ready to buy my ticket for next year.
If anyone has any pics of me crash would love to see them.
Oh and sorry for interrupting a fantastic race.
Cheers Rich.
Trudes
29th December 2009, 15:18
Rich, you and Andrew had just passed me when you came off, I didn't see you go down but I did see you slide in a shower of dust and come to a stop face down in the dust, you weren't moving when I went past, but looked to be up the next time I came round. Hopefully there's some vid out there for you.
It was great fun to race with you all! I felt comfortable out there, even during some sandwich moments, there were no points where I felt like anyone was cutting it too close, no need to really is there, the track really is wide enough for all of us!! Some wicked good riding going on and I enjoyed following some of you around corners to learn some of your lines. Hope everyone who had wee mishaps are all coming right, and hope to see you all back, same bat time, same bat channel (if not before!):niceone:
jasonu
29th December 2009, 15:35
According to another post with a pic of the 'results' Darryll Cotton on a MB125 won. I'M SOOO CONFUSED!!!
Trudes
29th December 2009, 15:45
I think Darryl won the points races and Andrew won the GP.
Damien_Toman
29th December 2009, 16:50
According to another post with a pic of the 'results' Darryll Cotton on a MB125 won. I'M SOOO CONFUSED!!!
That was Race 14 not the bucket GP.
Mudflaps
29th December 2009, 22:03
Great work Andrew!!! Good to see the Welly region represents!!
Love hearing all the stories, and how most people are still stoked with the weekend even though they crashed or dnf'd.
I've toldthe missus we're going next year!!:mad::2thumbsup
Bring on 2010 bucketeering!!!
koba
29th December 2009, 22:21
Great work Andrew!!! Good to see the Welly region represents!!
Love hearing all the stories, and how most people are still stoked with the weekend even though they crashed or dnf'd.
I've toldthe missus we're going next year!!:mad::2thumbsup
Bring on 2010 bucketeering!!!
Aye!
I asked nicely if I could use the Missuses commuter this year and it happened so you may get away with it!
50bucketracer
29th December 2009, 23:44
Yep Andrew Adlam won the 5 lap F4 GP & Darryl Cotton won both all-in bucket races later in the day. Full results should be posted on http://www.marktime.co.nz/results/091228-SRA.HTML
But it was certainly a day of "what might have been". Nigel Duff won the 1st 4 lap heat of the F4 GP before the red flag, & then seized on the 1st lap of the 2nd heat (the one that mattered). And I have to say that my son Nathanael qualified on pole 2.7 sec faster than any other rider, but then unfortunately broke the ring & gouged the bore on the 1st lap of the GP. He carried on for a few laps with no compression & no power, dropping back through the field. Then he had to go out on the 50 for the 2 races later in the day, managing to lap faster than most of the F4 bikes. I hope he has better luck next year. It would have been nice to see the 1st ever double bucket GP winner (dreams are free)...
50bucketracer
30th December 2009, 00:31
I didn't look at the times, just what his dad had told me, but it had me going slower than the year before by ~ 7 seconds a lap & that is night & day & it didn't feel like it. As I said the timing there is more guess work that anything else, they come up with some wacky results. The only time I rode with Nat was on the warm up lap, I did a lazy roll out of a corner so I could pull in behind when he was on full song on the back straight. His bike was hauling pretty well, but I caught up & dragged him after the connecting chicane & he was pretty tentative down the hill onto the straight. But the red flag was now out as we entered the straight for the start so you can hardly judge a race speed by the warm up can you?
Actually in my view the timing (by MarkTime) was pretty accurate this year. I have looked into the perception of inaccuracy from last year & found just one major problem in the 2nd bucket qualifying session:
http://homepages.slingshot.co.nz/~marktime/rfiles/081228/PRAC09B.HTM
where the timing gear was started late, meaning that a number of bikes recorded a super fast 1st lap. If you scroll down to the individual lap times for each rider & discount the 1st lap then the rest of the lap timing looks fine. No such problems this year as far as I can see.
This year in F5 every lap of Nathanael's was in 1m30 something, whereas F5 Dave's laps were in the 1m36-37 range. Dave's last year's lap times were in the 1m33-35 range. So Dave you were 2-3 sec slower this year than last. Not sure where your 7 sec came from. I did say you were lapping 6 sec slower than Nathanael though... You're getting old like me :) You lost 51 sec to Nathanael on the 1st lap & finished the race 83 sec behind...
Anyway better luck next year, though hopefully I will be back on the bike with my vertebrae healed to uphold the Diprose name!
ajturbo
30th December 2009, 04:33
dave's reason for being slower this year is ... he is getting old....:buggerd::rofl:
or is it the fact that he broke himself earlier this year and is still on the mend?
ajturbo
30th December 2009, 04:35
Well done to everyone. Its was my first time on the Taupo track and I loved it.
I have just finished cleaning all the volcanic kitty litter out of my engine. Looks like when I went down the throttle got stuck open and engine processed some rock. Never mind. The bike is not to bad broken faring, throttle and right foot peg.
That was the fastest crash I have had. Still not quite sure how it happened. Looks like a flat front tyre. Helmet is toast gloves saved my hands big style.
That was such a great even I am ready to buy my ticket for next year.
If anyone has any pics of me crash would love to see them.
Oh and sorry for interrupting a fantastic race.
Cheers Rich.
GLAD to see your ok matey!!
you were really flying when you went past me.. then a cloud of dust in the distance and i knew the practice would be canned, so just came in anyway, you did not look good....
but then again.. no photo, so it never happened
jasonu
30th December 2009, 06:29
It would have been nice to see the 1st ever double bucket GP winner (dreams are free)...[/QUOTE]
I think Steve D. came the closest to that result at Ohakea (1st 50cc & 2nd 100cc? on Rams old nail) about 100 years ago when you had to do more than 5 laps to be a national Champ.
Henk
30th December 2009, 08:27
Stunning weekend. Had great time wobbling around in the mid pack and meeting a few of you from the rest of the country.
Congratulations to all the guys that went well, the fast guys are, um fast. Not sure I'll ever get to that level but had a great time anyway.
Definitely a starter for next year, great fun and a really well run event.
richban
30th December 2009, 08:43
GLAD to see your ok matey!!
you were really flying when you went past me.. then a cloud of dust in the distance and i knew the practice would be canned, so just came in anyway, you did not look good....
but then again.. no photo, so it never happened
Cheers AJ
Yep neck is a little stiff but other than that I'm fine. It was an expensive crash. I had a new front tyre on the list but ran out of money and didn't get one. After a close look at that old thing I should not have been out there. I am just glad I didn't take anyone with me. After 6 months of tuning, the engine was on song and didn't miss a beat. I pulled the head off to see how much sand she swallowed and its all mint. Also really happy with my makeshift airbox now its time to make a real one. There is more power to be made for number 45 also have some plans for the front end watch this space.
saxet
30th December 2009, 09:16
Cheers AJ
There is more power to be made for number 45 also have some plans for the front end watch this space.
OH Bugger!!!
richban
30th December 2009, 09:40
OH Bugger!!!
Hey got your tie downs Tex thanks for that. PM me your number and I will organize getting them back to you.
Trudes
30th December 2009, 11:52
I'm after some new forks and probably triple clamps for Rangi, so if these "new front end plans" of yours Rich involve getting rid of yours I call "BAGS"!!!
ajturbo
30th December 2009, 12:23
It would have been nice to see the 1st ever double bucket GP winner (dreams are free)...
I think Steve D. came the closest to that result at Ohakea (1st 50cc & 2nd 100cc? on Rams old nail) about 100 years ago when you had to do more than 5 laps to be a national Champ.[/QUOTE]
it would have been nice to have 55 laps....
or 1hr plus 5 laps....
but there is a wisper... just a wisper that there may just be something in the very... early (VERY EARLY) planing stage of something happening at manfeild......
at the moment my lips are well and truly sealed...
but IF.... IF there was something at manfeild (using the shorter club curcit in reverse?) that was going to last, oh, lets say 2hrs, who would be keen???
is that too short/long a time/track/direction?
i know i would have to re-fuel..lol
just a thought at this stage.....
=cJ=
30th December 2009, 13:15
Oh hell yes :)
jasonu
30th December 2009, 14:10
but IF.... IF there was something at manfeild (using the shorter club curcit in reverse?) that was going to last, oh, lets say 2hrs, who would be keen???
is that too short/long a time/track/direction?
i know i would have to re-fuel..lol
just a thought at this stage.....[/QUOTE]
It needs to be more than a kart track and should have a straight long enough to tap out any bucket in top gear, some heavy rear wheel in the air brakeing and a (at least) 4th gear flatout knee-down sweeper. I think 2 hours is way too long, that is an endurance race. The old GP's at Ohakea were about 40 laps totaling about 50 minutes, a long sprint race that (usually) required fast, well sorted, good handeling bike with a fit rider. The Taupo venue would be perfect if the race was atleast 30 laps, 40-50 minutes.
Just my thoughts...
ajturbo
30th December 2009, 14:38
lol.. i wish i could do 30 laps of taupo in 50min...lol
Rick 52
30th December 2009, 14:40
It needs to be more than a kart track and should have a straight long enough to tap out any bucket in top gear, some heavy rear wheel in the air brakeing and a (at least) 4th gear flatout knee-down sweeper. I think 2 hours is way too long, that is an endurance race. The old GP's at Ohakea were about 40 laps totaling about 50 minutes, a long sprint race that (usually) required fast, well sorted, good handeling bike with a fit rider. The Taupo venue would be perfect if the race was atleast 30 laps, 40-50 minutes.
Just my thoughts...[/QUOTE]
Manfeild ,Taupo ,Hampton Downs, 1hour Bucket Tri series ???????
jasonu
30th December 2009, 14:46
Now you're cooking with gas. One of them would be the GP.
Someone told me the hamilton kart track is a good one too.
Yow Ling
30th December 2009, 14:55
It needs to be more than a kart track and should have a straight long enough to tap out any bucket in top gear, some heavy rear wheel in the air brakeing and a (at least) 4th gear flatout knee-down sweeper. I think 2 hours is way too long, that is an endurance race. The old GP's at Ohakea were about 40 laps totaling about 50 minutes, a long sprint race that (usually) required fast, well sorted, good handeling bike with a fit rider. The Taupo venue would be perfect if the race was atleast 30 laps, 40-50 minutes.
Just my thoughts...
Ruapuna's Tri Oval or B track seem to fit the bill then
Schrgd
30th December 2009, 15:08
Manfeild ,Taupo ,Hampton Downs, 1hour Bucket Tri series ???????
Oh Hell Yeah!!!!!
but IF.... IF there was something at manfeild (using the shorter club curcit in reverse?) that was going to last, oh, lets say 2hrs, who would be keen???
Oh Hell Hell Yeah!!!!
Bert
30th December 2009, 15:51
Manfeild for a GP would be great or any bucket racing again for that matter, so keen as.
What about the back section, like old times (suzuki series 90's); 40-50min around there would be a challange.
I'd happily lend a hand if you need any help.
B
bucketracer
30th December 2009, 16:05
.
Last year the 3 hour was on a third day this year the program was compressed to two days. Time and crashes cut the GP's short this year.
And then there were those who held things up by not going to their allocated grid positions. Grids were clearly marked, there can't be any excuses for not knowing your position and any confusion on the start line.
And then there are the smart arses, in the GP line up John Stear had sneaked forward several rows to pinch Avalons grid position but her quick reactions at the start had her going past the sneak thief as the flag dropped.
John there is a reasion that your grid position was allocated towards the back of the field.
.
ajturbo
30th December 2009, 17:39
ok, the reason the back section is not used at the same time as the other racing is the fact we would need to double up on everything (clerk or course, MNZ rep, ambo) PLUS the cost of the hire, will put it out of the reach for us, to use JUST the back part???
cost, etc plu man power.. as all those who want it there also want to race...
but if we can arrange it the same time on the same track as the other bigger "faster" bikes... albeit a shorter track (club )... like we did during the lunch break this year..... (same one the moto boys used...)
what i want is for everyone to post or/and PM me, so i can take this to one of our club meetings and present a case......
so who is interested, we would use the same flagies and officals so no extra cost...(would need a MNZ licence/day licence)
Trudes
30th December 2009, 17:41
So what would the cost for the day be AJ? Not including day licence.
ajturbo
30th December 2009, 18:12
costs...???
i would expect it to be the same as the SS class.....
err, other words, i am not sure....
but EXCLUDING licence aprox $70-$100..
PLUS transponder....($35ish/day)
details will have to be worked out...
but i think what we had in Taupo would a great start......
all4A50s
30th December 2009, 19:39
I'm keen. Just let me know where, when, how much, etc. Would it be possible to organise us Wgtn bucketeers to share costs of getting there, pit hire, getting back, refreshments, getting T-shirts, armaments, etc?
And congrats to everyone for such great fun racing.
On a sad note my boots are worn out. Must stop riding duck feet
Mrs Busa Pete
30th December 2009, 19:58
When pumba (Carl Smith) crashed he did more than sprain his arm like he was told he smashed it after sleeping on it in at his parents place he decide it wasn't getting any beter so of to the A&E in hamilton for an x ray.
He is now in waikato hospital ward 6/room 3 awaiting surgery tomorrow to plate the bone.
So if there is anyone in hamilton that can give him a vist that would be good.
Trudes
30th December 2009, 20:10
Oh crap!! Poor Pumba!! Heal up mate!!:hug:
Yow Ling
30th December 2009, 20:14
Tramadol is good for sore arms !!
Get well soon
Dutchee
30th December 2009, 20:19
Bugger for Carl. He was asked a couple of times if he was sure he hadn't broken it as the amount of pain he was in when he moved it, didn't quite seem "sprained".
Did see him later on without the sling, so thought maybe it wasn't as bad as some of us thought it might be.
Any idea as to how Andi is?
#4 garage wasn't a good one for injuries/crashes :(
Rick 52
30th December 2009, 21:10
When pumba (Carl Smith) crashed he did more than sprain his arm like he was told he smashed it after sleeping on it in at his parents place he decide it wasn't getting any beter so of to the A&E in hamilton for an x ray.
He is now in waikato hospital ward 6/room 3 awaiting surgery tomorrow to plate the bone.
So if there is anyone in hamilton that can give him a vist that would be good.
Shit poor bugger I hope he will be ok keep us up to speed
Bert
30th December 2009, 21:23
ok, the reason the back section is not used at the same time as the other racing is the fact we would need to double up on everything (clerk or course, MNZ rep, ambo) PLUS the cost of the hire, will put it out of the reach for us, to use JUST the back part???
cost, etc plu man power.. as all those who want it there also want to race...
but if we can arrange it the same time on the same track as the other bigger "faster" bikes... albeit a shorter track (club )... like we did during the lunch break this year..... (same one the moto boys used...)
what i want is for everyone to post or/and PM me, so i can take this to one of our club meetings and present a case......
so who is interested, we would use the same flagies and officals so no extra cost...(would need a MNZ licence/day licence)
Sorry, good points AJ; actually I didn't think that far through.
club track sounds like a good idea then (PM on the way).
Buckets4Me
30th December 2009, 21:49
Oh crap!! Poor Pumba!! Heal up mate!!:hug:
second that mate
I didn't need that position that badly :2thumbsup
andrew a
31st December 2009, 09:11
Hi all we are still on holiday in Taupo but mannaged to got on a friends pc. I'm feeling stocked about my result. I had hoped for a top 5 result when I left Wellington. Did the Sunday practice and reassed and thought a top 10 would be more achevable. There were some fast bikes out there. I was very upset to see Richard go down.
I'm the first to admit I wasnt the fastest there but I was first across the line. I had to sit out the next race because I was so stuned about the win I didnt put fuel in my bike [dou].
I would like to thank Fi5hy for all his help and suppot and getting me into the sport. Richard [45] for all your help to and all the other Wellington riders.
I hope this dosnt start the debate about 4stroke vs 2stroke. The 2strokes were faster but didnt stay up or togethet. I think Richards motor could have won even against the 2strokes. There is some weight diff. Me and my bike is about 192kg. The nice man from ChCh is about 150. I will need to put my bike on a diet!
Thanks to the organisers also. As I said stunned and very happy.
richban
31st December 2009, 09:22
When pumba (Carl Smith) crashed he did more than sprain his arm like he was told he smashed it after sleeping on it in at his parents place he decide it wasn't getting any beter so of to the A&E in hamilton for an x ray.
He is now in waikato hospital ward 6/room 3 awaiting surgery tomorrow to plate the bone.
So if there is anyone in hamilton that can give him a vist that would be good.
That sux a lot. Send my regards if you are speaking to him soon. Get well soon Carl.
Qkkid
31st December 2009, 09:44
When pumba (Carl Smith) crashed he did more than sprain his arm like he was told he smashed it after sleeping on it in at his parents place he decide it wasn't getting any beter so of to the A&E in hamilton for an x ray.
He is now in waikato hospital ward 6/room 3 awaiting surgery tomorrow to plate the bone.
So if there is anyone in hamilton that can give him a vist that would be good.
:confused: Shit hope Carl is alright
SixPackBack
31st December 2009, 10:06
:confused: Shit hope Carl is alright
A lack of pain relief and the inability to masturbate with both hands seem to be his major concerns at te mo'
Chambers
31st December 2009, 12:01
Awhh Crap Carl at lest my black bum isn't broken. Hard to sit, hope the op goes OK and we see you back soon
Mrs Busa Pete
31st December 2009, 13:10
Shit poor bugger I hope he will be ok keep us up to speed
Still waiting for surgery hopefully today. So told him we would have a couple of drinks for him tonight.
Damien_Toman
31st December 2009, 14:23
[QUOTE=Rick 52;
Manfeild ,Taupo ,Hampton Downs, 1hour Bucket Tri series ???????[/QUOTE]
Great idea Rick! How about a 2-race approach on the day, with 30 minutes each race, like they do in Motocross GPs? You have individual race winners and an overall GP winner each day from the aggregated results. The winner of the Tri-Series is the NZ Bucket Champion? My objective would be to qualify and not come last! :)
Damien
Mrs Busa Pete
31st December 2009, 18:29
Awhh Crap Carl at lest my black bum isn't broken in. Hard to sit, hope the op goes OK and we see you back soon
I guess we could always arrange that if you like. This is a big site
Damien_Toman
31st December 2009, 22:09
When pumba (Carl Smith) crashed he did more than sprain his arm like he was told he smashed it after sleeping on it in at his parents place he decide it wasn't getting any beter so of to the A&E in hamilton for an x ray.
He is now in waikato hospital ward 6/room 3 awaiting surgery tomorrow to plate the bone.
So if there is anyone in hamilton that can give him a vist that would be good.
I asked Carl a couple times about his arm. He was in good spirits, blamed himself, not the tricky drizzly conditions that made me slow to a crawl, and was smiling as always! He's a tough bugger.
Get well soon mate. Will see you in Feb 2010 at Mt Wellington if not before.
Damien
all4A50s
1st January 2010, 07:17
I asked Carl a couple times about his arm. He was in good spirits, blamed himself, not the tricky drizzly conditions that made me slow to a crawl, and was smiling as always! He's a tough bugger.
I hope you recover quick and well Carl.
How is Andrea who was on the other CBR? Last I heard she was in hospital.
Much thanks to Kyle, Malcolm, Steven from the racing academy and the other supporters for the help with tyres and track knowledge. It was great to see everyone helping everyone as required. My wife, despite herself had a good time (not falling off help though). Amy reckons it was cool and Veetia thinks it was the coolest trip ever. Talking to a few people has given me the impression they were impressed with positive and friendly attitude, well presented bikes, clean racing and the amount of bikes out there on the track to the point they made sure to watch the bucket races. The only complaint I got was they had trouble keeping track of what individual bikes were doing due to the intensity of the racing.
The racing was fantastic. I am more than happy how well my new bucket went although my starts left alot to be desired. Watch out Damien, Stephen and Malcolm as I'm looking forward to handing your arses back to you on a platter.
I hope to see big teams from the South Island, Hawkes Bay and Auckland at the Easter event.
Mrs Busa Pete
1st January 2010, 08:41
Spoke to Carl last night he was still nil by mouth all day but no op. Hopefully to day. I did have a couple of new years drinks for him though and then a few for myself.:2thumbsup
Rick 52
1st January 2010, 09:26
Great idea Rick! How about a 2-race approach on the day, with 30 minutes each race, like they do in Motocross GPs? You have individual race winners and an overall GP winner each day from the aggregated results. The winner of the Tri-Series is the NZ Bucket Champion? My objective would be to qualify and not come last! :)
Damien
That sound great all good ideas .Chris from TRRS said he had spoken to other tracks about more meetings and I think he would invite the buckets along as we have good numbers and not too much trouble.
I also had a drink for Pumba last night hope the op goes well mate !
Rcktfsh
1st January 2010, 11:57
But they are not real race classes though :p
Real race classes but not real GP titles, as per mnz website GP & TT titles are awarded only to the following classes.
ROAD RACING / ENDURANCE
The Championship classes will be:
125cc up to 125cc 2 stroke & up to 125cc 4 stroke
250GP 126cc – 250cc 2 Cylinder 2 stroke
This class is for machines that are ineligible for F111. It is to be run simultaneously with F111,
however it is a completely separate championship class. (The future of this class is entirely
dependent upon the level of support this season).
FORMULA 3 As per Appendix B
SIDECARS 240 - 1300cc 2 stroke & 240 - 1300cc 4 stroke
SPORTS PRODUCTION As per Appendix A
PRODUCTION SUPERBIKE As per Appendix A
650cc Pro Twin 20 years & over 20 years – the 20 yr old rider will remain in the 20yr age group
until the end of the National Championship for that year.
TOURIST TROPHY & GRAND PRIX TITLES
All as above and
Period ’72 Lightweight: Junior (241cc to 500cc);
Senior (501cc to 1300cc).
Period ’82 Lightweight; Junior 241cc to 600cc);
Senior (601cc to 1300cc
GP & TT titles have a long history, sadly recently they have lost some lustre just becoming another race in the championship, personally i'd like to see them carry double points so as to differentiate them from normal title races.
TZ350
1st January 2010, 12:17
Spoke to Carl last night he was still nil by mouth all day but no op.
Is there a number we could use to send Carl a Txt Msg or two?
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Pumba
1st January 2010, 13:00
I have made a run for it today and have broken out the door, well at least for the afternoon anyway. Surgry was cancelled again today so I have escaped to the pearants place cause I needed sime decent food and I was going stir crazy stearing at those walls.
Arm is still well and truly rooted (ironicly called a smith fracture) and it surposably aint a fix that any old surgen seems to be able to do (well that is the BS I keep getting feed anyway).
Anyway I guess they will starve me again tomorrow and see if I can get into surgry and get this dam thing fixed.
Apart from that I was starting to enjoy the Taupo circuit. The bike seemed to be down on horsepower compared to other FXRs so might have to look into that (looks like I will have a bit of time on my hands). Hey ther is alway next time
Kickaha
1st January 2010, 13:06
Real race classes but not real GP titles, as per mnz website GP & TT titles are awarded only to the following classes.
That list isn't correct though as the 50cc GP was resurrected and run in 2007 at the BOB, if TRRS applied to run the F4/F5 GP and MNZ granted it then it is a "real GP" title
Rcktfsh
1st January 2010, 13:16
That list isn't correct though as the 50cc GP was resurrected and run in 2007 at the BOB, if TRRS applied to run the F4/F5 GP and MNZ granted it then it is a "real GP" title
Did they apply to the commissioner as per the following rule?
22-8-12 Tourist Trophy and Grand Prix classes will be those as detailed Appendix D together with
any additional classes which may from time to time be deemed appropriate by the
Commissioner.
Kickaha
1st January 2010, 13:19
Did they apply to the commissioner as per the following rule?
22-8-12 Tourist Trophy and Grand Prix classes will be those as detailed Appendix D together with
any additional classes which may from time to time be deemed appropriate by the
Commissioner.
Not sure for the TRRS, Scrivy or Racer40 will know
edit: I have sent Scurvy a pm and asked him
Buckets4Me
1st January 2010, 15:52
I have made a run for it today and have broken out the door, well at least for the afternoon anyway. Surgry was cancelled again today so I have escaped to the pearants place cause I needed sime decent food and I was going stir crazy stearing at those walls.
Arm is still well and truly rooted (ironicly called a smith fracture) and it surposably aint a fix that any old surgen seems to be able to do (well that is the BS I keep getting feed anyway).
Anyway I guess they will starve me again tomorrow and see if I can get into surgry and get this dam thing fixed.
Apart from that I was starting to enjoy the Taupo circuit. The bike seemed to be down on horsepower compared to other FXRs so might have to look into that (looks like I will have a bit of time on my hands). Hey ther is alway next time
:Oi: get back to your bed :Pokey:
at least with all the starving your bike should go better now
I couldn't pass you up the hill like I could other fxr's so I think that you arn't going to bad (there where some fast ridden fxr's infrount of you there)
well get better soon and see you in feb for the restart of MtWellington (bet you arn't racing thow:weep:)
svr
1st January 2010, 19:22
I'm the first to admit I wasnt the fastest there but I was first across the line
You looked the fastest to me mate!
Congrads - you'll have to have a go on my sv some time.
Cookie.
Damien_Toman
2nd January 2010, 20:33
I have made a run for it today and have broken out the door....Apart from that I was starting to enjoy the Taupo circuit. ....
Hope they get your arm fixed soon so you can get back on the bike.
That was my first visit to the Taupo circuit and I was very impressed. It was great to ride. We need bucket classes on all the big tracks. They are safer and there is more room for the fast riders to get past (people like me) without getting too close. We can also fill the grids - other classes can't.
Damien
scrivy
3rd January 2010, 09:33
Not sure for the TRRS, Scrivy or Racer40 will know
edit: I have sent Scurvy a pm and asked him
Yes we certainly did!! The results are official!!
Rcktfsh
3rd January 2010, 11:50
Well best I apologise for casting aspersions and congrats to the winners.
F5 Dave
3rd January 2010, 16:45
Sorry to hear about the arm Pumba, heal quick dude.
Those repair patches were confusing me a little. First year I did TRRS there were no patches & the track was much better to be honest. Last year they were bloody slippery & I crashed on turn 1 through loss of traction. This year they didn't seem anywhere near as bad but I still couldn't convince myself to use them totally. It just wasn't worth the risk to me. No 1 priority was to come out with all bits still working.
Who was pushing the front on the patches? Any dramas?
Rick 52
3rd January 2010, 16:58
The patches and white lines last year were bloody slippy as you say not bad this year Tim Me and Dean had a walk the night before the GP around the track and the patches were more grippy than the track its self (doing the jandle shuffle test) and it gave me confidence to use then harder and I had no problems crossing them after that .
Skunk
3rd January 2010, 17:34
I just found some of them bumpy... good grip though.
quallman1234
3rd January 2010, 19:07
The timing for the long circuit seemed accurate enough, i think its more that fact the timing was too inaccurate (read fast) last year.
Congrats to Andrew!
Bikemad
3rd January 2010, 19:20
gidday all can someone point me in the right direction to find the rules regarding buckets?
cheers
Skunk
3rd January 2010, 19:23
http://www.mnz.co.nz/competitionrules.aspx chapter 24 is buckets, but you should also know chapters 1-10 which are the general can and can'ts of motorcycle racing.
Bikemad
3rd January 2010, 19:26
cheers skunk..........will take that onboard
Bikemad
3rd January 2010, 19:30
made it a fav.........will read later.done a few track days etc but think buckets would be a good place to start racing and learn a few of the skills required cheers
TZ350
3rd January 2010, 20:03
.
I just found some of them bumpy... good grip though.
Yes real bumpy, the team ESE bikes still running their original GP frames didn't cope with the bumps, Chambers crashed in practice and then later Avalon droped the bike in the same corner while running over the rough patching.
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koba
6th January 2010, 16:49
Yeah, I also go "Bumpy but plenty of grip". It caused a few problems with the FXRs current lack of ground clearance but nothing major.
WAAAAY better than the old patching.
andrew a
8th January 2010, 12:56
Hi all dose anyone have any video footage of the F4 [buckets]
Thanks
racer40
10th January 2010, 14:13
just got back from holiday & read through the thread. thanks for all the good comments on the event. just a couple of points, the F5GP was only 5 laps due to only 11 entries & with 250 other bikes we would have been lynched if it had been longer. the F4GP was 10laps, longer than any other race that day. we are restricted on the hours of use at the track otherwise we would run all night. we reckon its great to have buckets at such a big event racing with the other classes, & only do it for you the riders, if you have any ideas on things contact me or andy. we do have some plans up our sleeve for this year we are working on. also would buckets pay an extra $50 or so to run transponders, or leave it as is?? thanks again Chris. PS hope the injured riders are getting better.
Trudes
10th January 2010, 14:21
Personally I'd rather save my money, not have transponders and keep it as is (I don't need to pay $50 to have some piece if equipment tell me I'm slow!;))
Buckets4Me
10th January 2010, 14:31
Personally I'd rather save my money, not have transponders and keep it as is (I don't need to pay $50 to have some piece if equipment tell me I'm slow!;))
was thinking the same thing :P
leave it up to your Chris
the only compliaints where from people that didn't turn up to contest the GP :)
Skunk
10th January 2010, 15:07
Would buckets pay an extra $50 or so to run transponders, or leave it as is?Thanks for a great event Chris.
I'd hope for a three day event next year - I think the BADD Endurance race is taking off. The Bucket GP could be held prior to it to give the endurance riders prep time. I also think it worked better with the endurance race AFTER the final Tri Series round, well it would for us so we could have found the problem with the "450" before the endurance race :) This is not a complaint! I'm happy with whatever you organise...
As to the transponders - maybe just source them from other race entrants for the GP alone. Reduced rate for both the 'lender' and the 'lendee'?
Pumba
10th January 2010, 19:53
I will back up every ones thoughts and agree about what a great event (even if I didnt get past the first race and now have a few months healing infront of me).
One thing I did find confusing was that nobody seemed to know what was just practise and what was qualifing, because I believe it was different the year before.
As for the transponders I am a little undecided, yes I really think that is the way to go for accurate timekeeping and quick turn aroound for such a large meeting (not sure if ther were any timing stuff ups or not) however I am torn because of the additional cost associated with this.
Buckets4Me
10th January 2010, 20:51
One thing I did find confusing was that nobody seemed to know what was just practise and what was qualifing, because I believe it was different the year before.
thats what the rider breifing was about :)
koba
11th January 2010, 05:50
I say leave it.
In 2008 they came up with some "Interesting" qualifiying time but this year seemed better, maybe not 100% BUT the important thing is not laptimes, It's who comes where in the race which sorted.
Buckets don't run with transponders at our normal events anyway...
ajturbo
11th January 2010, 08:07
personally i do NOT want to have the transponders on buckets.....
it is not a class that needs to have to be so precise, the top 5 racers in each class (F4/F5) know who they are, the rest of us are there for fun... those top 5 will bitch if someone is in "their" spot on the grid for a race (ie: self policing) and the rest of us, as long as no-one jumps the start (toooo much) i am sure we all wont care where we are..
i was very impressed with the starting grids this year, the fast guys at the front where they should be and the rest of us had fun making up the numbers...
so NO for transponders...
Skunk
11th January 2010, 08:16
personally i do NOT want to have the transponders on buckets....But there is always the interest in lap times and fast results at the end of the race... tempered by the cost of course. Maybe an iPhone GPS laptimer would be the go? just need to walk the start-finish to set it up.
richban
11th January 2010, 13:03
Fantastic event. I like the idea but would say no need. Everything seemed to work fine. Another day would be worth 50 bucks at least.
F5 Dave
11th January 2010, 13:42
Well ideally the endurance on the 3rd day so the rest of the classes aren't sitting around like ghost riders. Year before was great in my opinion. But overall thanks for organising & inviting us all.
quallman1234
11th January 2010, 14:07
Could make a simple program, where you type (Or click) the numbers of a bucket as it comes by, and also have a global timer from when the race starts. That would give us all the information we need. Including postions, laptimes (probabaly accurate enough to .5 of a second). Then make it spit too a spreadsheet.
Henk
11th January 2010, 15:53
I had a great time and as a mid pack wobbler see no need for transponders.
koba
13th January 2010, 06:37
Could make a simple program, where you type (Or click) the numbers of a bucket as it comes by, and also have a global timer from when the race starts. That would give us all the information we need. Including postions, laptimes (probabaly accurate enough to .5 of a second). Then make it spit too a spreadsheet.
I believe they have a system somthing like that, but possibly even with an induction loop or somthing under the track - so no different to transponders except the numbers have to be matched to the times as the bikes pass the finish line.
I may be wrong on this.
I really think it is OK and I'm happy with it.
Str8 Jacket
13th January 2010, 06:39
Bleh, a transponder in unnecessary extra weight....
Suzi Q
14th January 2010, 20:23
just got back from holiday & read through the thread. thanks for all the good comments on the event. just a couple of points, the F5GP was only 5 laps due to only 11 entries & with 250 other bikes we would have been lynched if it had been longer. the F4GP was 10laps, longer than any other race that day. we are restricted on the hours of use at the track otherwise we would run all night. we reckon its great to have buckets at such a big event racing with the other classes, & only do it for you the riders, if you have any ideas on things contact me or andy. we do have some plans up our sleeve for this year we are working on. also would buckets pay an extra $50 or so to run transponders, or leave it as is?? thanks again Chris. PS hope the injured riders are getting better.
$50 for a transponder? why so much? We only pay and extra $10 at ruapuna!!!!
Fpr BOB this year we hired transponders from timaru - used by the dirt racers - it certainly did not cost us $50 per bike. I think it was $20. They laid a wire across B track and it worked brilliantly. Everyone know how many laps they had done and their fastest lap and when that lap was. This info was given to everyone within 15 mins of the race ending.
Suzi Q
14th January 2010, 20:30
I have lots of photos from TRRS, here is the link http://picasaweb.google.com/suziq344
I'm sorry but I don't know who rides what and what numbers you ahve soI ahve not been able to tag you, only Darryl and Neil from Chch and AJ.
If anyone wants copies, pm me and we can sort it out for you for a nominal fee!!!!
bucketracer
15th January 2010, 03:19
I have lots of photos from TRRS, here is the link http://picasaweb.google.com/suziq344
I'm sorry but I don't know who rides what and what numbers you ahve soI ahve not been able to tag you, only Darryl and Neil from Chch and AJ.
If anyone wants copies, pm me and we can sort it out for you for a nominal fee!!!!
Great Photos.........
Kickaha
15th January 2010, 06:02
$50 for a transponder? why so much? We only pay and extra $10 at ruapuna!!!!
MCC own the transponders and do a cheap hire rate, at MNZ nationals the transponder hire is $70 for the weekend
racer40
15th January 2010, 12:09
Iam not sure the exact cost yet if we were to run transponders, but the $50 was a ball park figure, anyway by the sounds of it most are happy the way it is. The problem we do have is more in the modern solo classes where it is so hard to see the race numbers, so will probably run transponders in those classes, but then we need another team to do the other classes lapscoring........ we will sort somthing out
Bert
17th January 2010, 17:55
I'm all for making this as cheap as possible but.... at the end of the day, if we have to pay for transponders to reduce the over-heads to TRRS organisers etc; then thats the way it will have to be. start saving for it a bit earlier.
we wouldn't want to lose this opportunity by just being difficult, would we?
ajturbo
18th January 2010, 11:20
think your missing the point a little "bert".....
he is asking IF we want them.... if enough say no... how will that add to their costs?
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