Foolproof way to get off a ticket inside!

[meowmix]

Thats right, due to the complete incompetence of our Police system, there is a way to avoid any tickets you may encounter, as long as its not fast enough to warrant taking your vehicle off you etc.

Simply say your name is something that it isn't. Simple huh?

How do I know this?

Some little prick used my name last year, on TWO seperate occasions when being pulled over for a licence check. What does Sgt. Ignor Anus do? "Oh, no licence? No other I.D.? You seem legit, I'll take your word for it."

WTF is wrong with the police? My tax is going to these jackasses wages!? Now I have to go to court to prove it wasn't me. Wow.

Btw, just checking the great pool of KB legal knowledge, are written and signed statements of witness good as evidence?

Now go out there with no rego and speed as much as you want under 140! When you get pulled up, use Ethan Kennedy. Just a "random" name here, it just feels like it deserves it...

[Mikkel]

Hmmm, and what is the potential legal consequences of identity theft, misrepresentation or whatever it is called?

Gotta be a little bit more than what goes with a speeding ticket I'd bet.

[p.dath]

Thats right, due to the complete incompetence of our Police system, there is a way to avoid any tickets you may encounter, as long as its not fast enough to warrant taking your vehicle off you etc.

Simply say your name is something that it isn't. Simple huh?

How do I know this?

Some little prick used my name last year, on TWO seperate occasions when being pulled over for a licence check. What does Sgt. Ignor Anus do? "Oh, no licence? No other I.D.? You seem legit, I'll take your word for it."

WTF is wrong with the police? My tax is going to these jackasses wages!? Now I have to go to court to prove it wasn't me. Wow.

Btw, just checking the great pool of KB legal knowledge, are written and signed statements of witness good as evidence?

Now go out there with no rego and speed as much as you want under 140! When you get pulled up, use Ethan Kennedy. Just a "random" name here, it just feels like it deserves it...

Should be simple. What number plate is recorded on the tickets?

I'd request copies of the tickets so you know the date, time and location of the alleged offences.

I'd lay a complaint with the Police over the false allegations, and take that complaint with you to court (shows you are taking the issue seriously, and not just trying to get off).

I would bring witnesses to court with you. You can subpoena them if you have to. Otherwise if you have to rely on a written statement you'd be best to take it to a district court barrister (along with the witness) and have the witness swear it is true and correct, and they'll put their little stamp and squiggle on it. Most barristers do this at no charge.
Alternatively, you could probably take your witness and statement along to a Police station, and then a sworn officer should be able to stamp the statement and put their squiggle on it.

And then you need to file all of this information in an affidavit (which also has to be sworn). You can't introduce new evidence on the day in court.

[6ft5]

Thats right, due to the complete incompetence of our Police system, there is a way to avoid any tickets you may encounter, as long as its not fast enough to warrant taking your vehicle off you etc.

Simply say your name is something that it isn't. Simple huh?

How do I know this?

Some little prick used my name last year, on TWO seperate occasions when being pulled over for a licence check. What does Sgt. Ignor Anus do? "Oh, no licence? No other I.D.? You seem legit, I'll take your word for it."

WTF is wrong with the police? My tax is going to these jackasses wages!? Now I have to go to court to prove it wasn't me. Wow.

Btw, just checking the great pool of KB legal knowledge, are written and signed statements of witness good as evidence?

Now go out there with no rego and speed as much as you want under 140! When you get pulled up, use Ethan Kennedy. Just a "random" name here, it just feels like it deserves it...

I think your interpretation of general policing is appalling. What happened to you can happen to anyone that can guess a name. If you operate generally within the law the police will not touch you and if you do break the rules you will be held accountable sooner or later. And if so be a sport and stand up for yourself, you are the one that stuffed up or deliberately did 140k, so fess up and get on with life.

[steve_t]

This happened to a mate of mine. It turned out that his no good (in jail now) step brother kept telling the cops that he was my mate. My mate kept getting infringement notices in the mail and going 'WTF?!' It's a pretty shit system and needs fixing. How do they deal with all the John Smiths of the world?

[meowmix]

Should be simple. What number plate is recorded on the tickets?

I'd request copies of the tickets so you know the date, time and location of the alleged offences.

I'd lay a complaint with the Police over the false allegations, and take that complaint with you to court (shows you are taking the issue seriously, and not just trying to get off).

I would bring witnesses to court with you. You can subpoena them if you have to. Otherwise if you have to rely on a written statement you'd be best to take it to a district court barrister (along with the witness) and have the witness swear it is true and correct, and they'll put their little stamp and squiggle on it. Most barristers do this at no charge.
Alternatively, you could probably take your witness and statement along to a Police station, and then a sworn officer should be able to stamp the statement and put their squiggle on it.

And then you need to file all of this information in an affidavit (which also has to be sworn). You can't introduce new evidence on the day in court.
Thankyou for your reply, very informative. I was in Christchurch at the time, and the offending took place in Whangarei. I'm in wWhangarei now so my witnesses are still down there. They are friends and I don't really want to subpoena them the length of the county! Makes it more difficult. I will submit a formal complaint; I have tried to but they try really hard to really push you off the topic.
I have all the notice documentation. In fact the first I knew of this was when the courts had the ticket. I successfully contested it and it went back to the police, who decided to re-issue the notices in spite of the evidence that was enough for the courts! Ohwell.
What would you recommend I do to prepare for the "Preliminary Hearing"? I am under the impression it is just there for me to plead guilty or not, no evidence etc.
Thankyou again for your advice.

[EJK]

Dang. Sorry to hear. Try this next time.

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[meowmix]

I think your interpretation of general policing is appalling. What happened to you can happen to anyone that can guess a name.
Your second sentence seems to contradict your first.

If you operate generally within the law the police will not touch you and if you do break the rules you will be held accountable sooner or later.
I fully agree.

And if so be a sport and stand up for yourself, you are the one that stuffed up or deliberately did 140k, so fess up and get on with life.
Not sure whether thats a general comment or if its directed, but just to be clear, I didn't actually break any laws.

[FROSTY]

Meoww I don't understand. You were in christchurch when the offending occurred. That in itself should be fairly easy to prove/substanciate.
My thoughts being Airline tickets,ferry tickets ALSO Eftpos transactions/visa card useage. With a bank statement you will be abble to show that at This time I was in cathedral square in a pub for example.
If you have enough proof via this means that without a tardis/teleportation device you could not possibly be in whangerei at the time the offence occurred then nooone else should be involved

That would be without sworn statements from freinds. Although written statements sworn in CHCH should add to the weight of evidence.
I'd also be looking into the details of the vehicle involved. it won't help your case if its a Hyusung GT250 for example. But if its a for example 1989 mazda familia and c of o has happened VERY recently you can get the last owners name. From that you could investigate yourself into their history--Ie if they are unlicenced driver perhaps
I had a very similar situation about 15 years ago. Only in my case I was just out of hospital with a smashed shoulder when the offence occurred. It went as far as the courthouse. The cop involved came -looked me in the face and said Nope that wasn't him. case dropped.

[James Deuce]

Stick to your guns. We ended up in the High Court for a parking offence in a town where we weren't for a car we didn't own. Took years to sort out, with WCC getting fined for wasting court time repeatedly over a $20 parking ticket wrongly attributed to us. It never fails to astound me how many times I see some part of the judiciary or infringement issuing agency pursue a losing argument, simply because they suspect that fear and intimidation will be enough to get them the positive stat to support their case for next year's funding increase. Meanwhile the "innocent" party pays the price for someone else's "crime".

[meowmix]

Thanks for the support everyone. Yea I'll get a bank statement printed out for that month and get it stamped. Its an open and shut case I know, its just ludicrous and gets me really pissed. Though I can't imagine how you would've felt James!

[p.dath]

Thankyou for your reply, very informative. I was in Christchurch at the time, and the offending took place in Whangarei. I'm in wWhangarei now so my witnesses are still down there. They are friends and I don't really want to subpoena them the length of the county! Makes it more difficult. I will submit a formal complaint; I have tried to but they try really hard to really push you off the topic.
I have all the notice documentation. In fact the first I knew of this was when the courts had the ticket. I successfully contested it and it went back to the police, who decided to re-issue the notices in spite of the evidence that was enough for the courts! Ohwell.
What would you recommend I do to prepare for the "Preliminary Hearing"? I am under the impression it is just there for me to plead guilty or not, no evidence etc.
Thankyou again for your advice.

Hopefully someone more knowledgable like Jantar or Ixion will weigh in on this.

I made a mistake. You can't make a complaint of a false allegation. I think the complain against the other party will be a "false statement". But either way, make a Police complaint.

Definately plead not guilty. I would also, in your affidavit, request a "Summary Dismissal". This could end the matter very quickly in court, as you are asking the judge to consider if the case is very one sided in your favour. If so, the Judge can rapidly decide in your favour bringing the matter to a conclusion.

I wouldn't rely on just statements. The judge will consider the "weight" of the evidence.
On one side is a Police Officer saying he has given you a ticket. You should ask how the PO established your identity. Hopefully he'll fumble and say he didn't. The judge will then consider the weight of his evidence poor. You could try asking if the officer has a clear and accurate memory of issuing the ticket to you. Being several months down the track, he will almost certainly say no.
However if the PO says he does think it was you, then the Judge will look at your evidence. If the crown solicitor says "anyone could have written those statements", then the Judge could set them aside - meaning you can no longer use them as evidence. This would considerably weaken your case if you can't establish that you were somewhere else at the time. If you have sworn statements, then that means they have been verified as being made by the named person. Obviously a Judge will give more weight to a sworn statement. And a Judge will give the most weight to the evidence if it is given in person - especially if the Police Officer is there in person saying that it was you. Do you get the important about the weight of your evidence now?

Frosty's idea about bringing receipts showing transactions in a different city at the same time is a great idea. This is good circumstancial evidence. It doesn't prove that you made the transactions, but it lends weight to the case that you are making that you were not at the location that the tickets were issued in.

[p.dath]

Stick to your guns. We ended up in the High Court for a parking offence in a town where we weren't for a car we didn't own. Took years to sort out, with WCC getting fined for wasting court time repeatedly over a $20 parking ticket wrongly attributed to us. It never fails to astound me how many times I see some part of the judiciary or infringement issuing agency pursue a losing argument, simply because they suspect that fear and intimidation will be enough to get them the positive stat to support their case for next year's funding increase. Meanwhile the "innocent" party pays the price for someone else's "crime".

High court for a parket offence! Holy crap.

They picked on the wrong person taking you to court! I think I would have paid the $20. Court is a huge waste of time. :)

[Naki Rat]

This was one of the issues that the latest digital photographic ID driving licences were going to rectify. What a crock of shit we were sold with that scam !!

[vifferman]

There was a case on the IdiotBox recentlyish, where a woman kept getting tickets for driving offences and used her sister's name each time. Her sister went to the police, and convinced them she wasn't even in the same town at the time (she lived in a different city) and got the police to put a note in their records stating that she had a distinctive tattoo on her shoulder (and they took a photo of this) whereas her sister did not, and that the identity of anyone giving her name should be verified by this tattoo.
It didn't work - the tickets kept coming, and the fines kept stacking up, and the bailiffs kept calling.

You'd think verification of identity would be a primary and fundamental requirement for the police, but apparently that's no so. If you were paranoid, it'd be easy to think that this might be deliberate, to lend weight to the campaign to establish a national DNA database.

[XxKiTtiExX]

Yeah I know someone that this has happened to not only once, but twice. Who ever it was gave this guys name, physical address and even the address of where his mother worked. (It definately wasn't him, but obviously someone who knew him to be able to hand over that information).
If you were in Christchurch at the time maybe you could approach your bank for a statement from around that time? (If you used your eftpos card while you were down there).

EDIT: Just realized someone else mentioned statements also.

Goodluck :)

[Squiggles]

Have had it happen with estranged family members, bit of a bastard having to go about proving it aint you

[red mermaid]

And often the party giving the false details is very well known to the party whose details they are using.

And then police are hamstrung by only being allowed 15 minutes to satisfactorily ID a person.

And the opposite side of this thread would be getting held up by police while they photograph and fingerprint you on the side of the road, which they have legislative authority to do. I can hear the moans on KB about that one already.

[paddy]

Everyone seems to be missing the point. The POLICE case sounds very circumstantial. In New Zealand, the onus is on the prosecution (the "informant" in traffic court) to prove their case. In a non-criminal case, this does not need to be "beyond a reasonable doubt"; however, the onus is still with the Police. The officer should have recorded more than just your name when issuing the ticket. He should also have recorded details such as a license plate number and a Driver's License number. These elements in combination are generally considered sufficient to establish identity.

I am surprised that the Police are pursuing this and it makes me wonder if there is a significant element to the story that we have not been told; however, presuming that what we read is this thread is correct, then the defence is simple:

"Your Worship, the Police have failed to positively identify that I was the person who committed the alleged offence." - This is a statement of fact and should be adequate for dismissal.

Further evidence that you may enter, for example, bank statements demonstrating transactions in another city at the time, parking tickets, library book issues, speeding fines, affidavits from others who may have been with you at the time etcetera may contribute to the JP's perception of the case but in a strict legal sense they are not required as they are proof of innocence and the Police lack proof of guilt. Having said that, we live in the real world, not an academic one, so every little bit will help. As a point of note, be careful with affidavits. They carry the same weight in court as verbal evidence; however, they do not permit cross examination. This is not a problem if the prosecution accepts the affidavit as given; however, it is within their right to cross examine any witness giving evidence. This may result in your Christchurch mates being subpoenaed to Whangarei.

You should consult a lawyer, as I suspect there is probably a STACK of "common law" around this area (that is to say precedents set in court in the past that are now considered law - this is termed "case law" in the USA). You should also be aware that the informant is required to disclose to the defence any and all evidence that they intend to enter during the proceedings. You should write and request such.

Dress tidily, be on-time, and be extremely Polite to the Judges/JPs/Prosecution Counsel/Witnesses/etcetera.

That's my 2c worth. Please bear in mind I am not a lawyer (otherwise that would have been considerably more than 2c worth) so do your own due diligence.

[paddy]

. . .Took years to sort out, with WCC getting fined for wasting court time repeatedly over a $20 parking ticket wrongly attributed to us. . .

The frustrating thing with that is that "We" end up paying for it in the long run. (Not that I don't think you did the right thing - I would have done the same.)

[ynot slow]

Had a mate years ago,they were supposed to be working but decided to do a spot of trout fishing on their lunch/work time.A cop asked them for their licences which they didn't have,they gave a false name.Was going ok till the cop went into their work saw them both and asked the boss for their names,10 mins later a summons for giving false information etc,cost them about $200.

[red mermaid]

Listen to the advice below in peril, it is confused and wrong.

Identification evidence is not circumstantial. This is a criminal case, even if it is traffic, and the charge has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt as for all traffic charges.

If the police officer identifies you in court as the person he spoke to then the statement you have been advised to make will be worth a tin of shit. "Your Worship, the Police have failed to positively identify that I was the person who committed the alleged offence."

You will have to go into the witness box, be sworn in, and then give evidence and the list detailed in the previous post would be very helpful.

Unless you are experienced at court, you must engage a lawyer, and it will not be common law he will be looking for, but case law as this is also the term used in NZ.



Everyone seems to be missing the point. The POLICE case sounds very circumstantial. In New Zealand, the onus is on the prosecution (the "informant" in traffic court) to prove their case. In a non-criminal case, this does not need to be "beyond a reasonable doubt"; however, the onus is still with the Police. The officer should have recorded more than just your name when issuing the ticket. He should also have recorded details such as a license plate number and a Driver's License number. These elements in combination are generally considered sufficient to establish identity.

I am surprised that the Police are pursuing this and it makes me wonder if there is a significant element to the story that we have not been told; however, presuming that what we read is this thread is correct, then the defence is simple:

"Your Worship, the Police have failed to positively identify that I was the person who committed the alleged offence." - This is a statement of fact and should be adequate for dismissal.

Further evidence that you may enter, for example, bank statements demonstrating transactions in another city at the time, parking tickets, library book issues, speeding fines, affidavits from others who may have been with you at the time etcetera may contribute to the JP's perception of the case but in a strict legal sense they are not required as they are proof of innocence and the Police lack proof of guilt. Having said that, we live in the real world, not an academic one, so every little bit will help. As a point of note, be careful with affidavits. They carry the same weight in court as verbal evidence; however, they do not permit cross examination. This is not a problem if the prosecution accepts the affidavit as given; however, it is within their right to cross examine any witness giving evidence. This may result in your Christchurch mates being subpoenaed to Whangarei.

You should consult a lawyer, as I suspect there is probably a STACK of "common law" around this area (that is to say precedents set in court in the past that are now considered law - this is termed "case law" in the USA). You should also be aware that the informant is required to disclose to the defence any and all evidence that they intend to enter during the proceedings. You should write and request such.

Dress tidily, be on-time, and be extremely Polite to the Judges/JPs/Prosecution Counsel/Witnesses/etcetera.

That's my 2c worth. Please bear in mind I am not a lawyer (otherwise that would have been considerably more than 2c worth) so do your own due diligence.

[paddy]

Listen to the advice below in peril, it is confused and wrong.

Disagree with that.


Identification evidence is not circumstantial. This is a criminal case, even if it is traffic, and the charge has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt as for all traffic charges.

Yes, okay, it's a criminal case in as much as it is not a civil case; however, the charge hasn't been stated and we don't know if it is an indictable offence or not (under the Summary Proceedings Act - if the charge is under the Crimes Act then this is different again).

What I was trying to get across is simply that the rules of evidence are more relaxed when dealing with charges under the Summary Proceedings Act. This can swing both ways.


If the police officer identifies you in court as the person he spoke to then the statement you have been advised to make will be worth a tin of shit. "Your Worship, the Police have failed to positively identify that I was the person who committed the alleged offence."

Yes - I agree with that. That is something that I hadn't considered.


You will have to go into the witness box, be sworn in, and then give evidence and the list detailed in the previous post would be very helpful.

You are never REQUIRED to enter the witness box. But I think that when you said "you will have to", you meant this would be the only way to refute the Officer's claim if he identifies you in court. I disagree with this. All of the evidence previously supplied can be entered without entering the witness box yourself and therefore being subject to cross examination.


Unless you are experienced at court, you must engage a lawyer

Definitely agree with this.


and it will not be common law he will be looking for, but case law as this is also the term used in NZ.

You statement is probably better written as "the term case law is also used in NZ". That is to say, the term case law is also understood and commonly used; however, in the New Zealand legal system "common law" is the pedantically correct term. Having said all of that, this is just semantics and it really doesn't matter which you call it as long as you understand what it is. Don't be a pedant red mermaid, you clearly knew what I meant when you expanded and agreed with the point I was making.

Meowmix, again I am not a lawyer, and I would suggest that Red Mermaid is not a lawyer either. You now have two slightly contradictory opinions - and I suspect many more before this thread dies. The most important thing you can take from my previous advice is to "do your own due diligence". Perform your own research, engage your own legal counsel if you are in a position to do so. A worthwhile book is "Trust Me, I'm a Lawyer" by Garth Cameron. Your local library will probably have it.

P.

[HenryDorsetCase]

This happened to a mate of mine. It turned out that his no good (in jail now) step brother kept telling the cops that he was my mate. My mate kept getting infringement notices in the mail and going 'WTF?!' It's a pretty shit system and needs fixing. How do they deal with all the John Smiths of the world?

I have three words of advice for you. They are:

Get

a

lawyer.



I'm guessing you are relatively young and inexperienced, but at least (and remember my brain is turned off for the holidays) you will want to front the officer in court so he can say "Er. no that isnt the person I stopped who told me his name was Mr Whatever". You will also want AT LEAST signed affidavits (and the procedural requirements are relatively strict) from you witnesses who will say "Uh, he was here all along your honour". Best is if they attend Court with you so they can be cross examined.

Be careful of time limits in these sorts of cases. And what the other poster said about getting copy documents is good advice. I dont know any lawyers in Whangarei but ask around for a recommendation. Talk with friends and family.

Most lawyers are away till at least 11 January but some will be starting back tomorrow.

Be prepared to pay.

Do you in fact know who the person was who gave your name? Most of the time these persons are not rocket scientists, and as in the post above, will give the name (and date of birth) of someone they know.

[meowmix]

Righto, now I'm over my rant (but thankful it got some attention) I will relay all relevant information regarding this issue in chronological order.

On two dates, May the 9th and 28th of 2008, a White 1988 Toyota Trueno with the registration UB3532 and owner Ethan Kennedy was pulled over. On both occasions, the respective officers requested the driver to produce his licence, and the driver failed to do so. The driver then gave my full name, albeit with the surname incorrectly spelled. The address given was not one I have ever lived in. The Driver's licence number and Date of Birth were correct, I assume it was after radioing in and requesting the details.

In November 2009 a notice was left by the Whangarei District Court at my father's residence. I advised the court of my address, and another note was left at my address. I then went to the courts and asked what it was regarding. I was briefly questioned over the counter before requesting a means to counter the fine they were attempting to issue. I was given two forms, one per offence, and a printout of basic details regarding the offences. I filled out the forms, "Application to correct irregularities in Court proceedings" and attached a letter from my residence in Christchurch at the time stating I was in fact a resident. The Court then approved my application, and granted the Police permission to re-issue the fine or drop the case.

The Police re-issued the fines, I recieved the Reminders on the 30th of November 2009, and responded with letters requesting a hearing in regards to the matter.

I was then posted two 'packs', contining a Notice of Hearing, an explanatory letter from the Police, a copy of the respective Infringement notice issued at the time, a copy of the letter sent by the Ministry of Justice saying my application to correct irregularities was accepted, copies of the application forms, and the evidence I provided with the application.

That is it thus far.

I intend to lodge a complaint with the Police of their handling of the issue.
I intend to get a detailed Bank statement for the month of May 2008.
I hope to recieve two written and signed (by the individual and a JP or other such member) statements from two individuals.
I intend to ring the CAB and see if they know of the best way to get a suitable lawyer for this situation and location.
Please add to this list.


The driver may have been Ethan James Kennedy, or possibly Ricky Johnson. If it is Ricky, the police officer may mistake him for me, as we have very similar features, often being thought as brothers. Both are the same age as me. Both have the same eye colour.

[FROSTY]

Woa there Meeeow. You have got the COURTS in essence to retry the case. That is what you have acheived so far. This is good.
Basicly because of lack of response from you (go figure-wrong address not you in the first place) the police have had the case automaticly taken to court after you have failed to pay the fines. The courts have fined you and added court costs.
Pretty reasonable from the POV of the police --ie you diddn't respond.
Now you are back to it being the need for a retrial.

So NOW I'd suggest you have two paths to follow.
1) gather all your evidence and wait for the court date.
2)Gather your information,contact the issueing station commander and explain to him exactly what you have to us.
it might go back to 1) but more likely the tickets will be cancelled.

[Ixion]

Identification evidence is not circumstantial. This is a criminal case, even if it is traffic, and the charge has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt as for all traffic charges.

..

Traffic charge - beyond reasonable doubt ? :killingme:killingme:rofl:

Good luck with getting off this - but it may not be easy. Or cheap. As far as the courts and the police are concerned you are gulity. Because the police say you are and the police are always right. Regardless of the theory, the reality is that if charged with a traffic offence you are guilty until proven innocent.

Be prepared for the police involved to lie through their teeth. About everything . They will quite certainly get up on the stand and say "Yes, that's the fellow, not a shadow of doubt".

You will need a lawyer, and it won't be cheap. False accusation flourishes in NZ because the system is geared such that guilt or innocence is irrelevant - what counts is accusation.

How did Mr Kennedy know your birthday and DL number? This is why I pack a volcanic shitty when people other than cops demand to see my drivers licence. All they have to do is write down the number and DoB and they've got a permanent get out gaol free card.

No it's not the way it's supposed to be, and it's not the way the text bookds say. but it is the reality of policing in NZ. :oi-grr:

As for the argument that it is so hard for the cops to establish identity, what's wrong with taking a photo of the person? Or, since the vehicle in question is registered to Mr Kennedy, just having the officer in question pop along and see Mr Kennedy and see if he happens to be the driver. Easy enough, but it won't happen. You've been accused, so you are guilty. End of story.

[scissorhands]

So if I find someone who looks like me, (preferably a right bastard who deserves some grief) record his full name, address, date of birth, height, weight, place of birth, drivers license number...any more?

Then find a vehicle that is not registered to me, or cannot be linked to me, cause I never park it anywhere near my home.....has to be a bomb with no insurance....

Aaaahh bollocks.

Lying is so hard and stressful trying to be consistent, like most lying is. 3 small fines in 31 years so I'll keep being me.

Doctors Certificates or tell the missus to jump in the backseat with a pillow up her jersey pretending to give birth

I'm all for photographing the driver or even moving to the front of the police cruiser to video. That way any impairment testing anomalies can be video referable, which for NZ 500,000 cannabis smokers, irons out any unfair discrimination

[red mermaid]

You have definitely got issues.

I think you should go to court and assist meowmix, and start the defence by accusing the police officers of lying. Go on, bet you won't.


Traffic charge - beyond reasonable doubt ? :killingme:killingme:rofl:

Good luck with getting off this - but it may not be easy. Or cheap. As far as the courts and the police are concerned you are gulity. Because the police say you are and the police are always right. Regardless of the theory, the reality is that if charged with a traffic offence you are guilty until proven innocent.

Be prepared for the police involved to lie through their teeth. About everything . They will quite certainly get up on the stand and say "Yes, that's the fellow, not a shadow of doubt".

You will need a lawyer, and it won't be cheap. False accusation flourishes in NZ because the system is geared such that guilt or innocence is irrelevant - what counts is accusation.

How did Mr Kennedy know your birthday and DL number? This is why I pack a volcanic shitty when people other than cops demand to see my drivers licence. All they have to do is write down the number and DoB and they've got a permanent get out gaol free card.

No it's not the way it's supposed to be, and it's not the way the text bookds say. but it is the reality of policing in NZ. :oi-grr:

As for the argument that it is so hard for the cops to establish identity, what's wrong with taking a photo of the person? Or, since the vehicle in question is registered to Mr Kennedy, just having the officer in question pop along and see Mr Kennedy and see if he happens to be the driver. Easy enough, but it won't happen. You've been accused, so you are guilty. End of story.

[Winston001]

Sod it. Just wrote a reply and lost it. :weep: So - I cannot comprehend why you blame the police for anything. You haven't contacted them with your evidence. If we honestly expected the police to believe every "it wasn't me" nobody would ever be convicted.

The District Court staff granted the re-hearing because they almost always do. No effect on them.

Read Brian and Red Mermaids posts - sound advice. Paddy has made thoughtful posts but regrettably not accurate.

[meowmix]

Sod it. Just wrote a reply and lost it. :weep: So - I cannot comprehend why you blame the police for anything. You haven't contacted them with your evidence. If we honestly expected the police to believe every "it wasn't me" nobody would ever be convicted.

The District Court staff granted the re-hearing because they almost always do. No effect on them.

Read Brian and Red Mermaids posts - sound advice. Paddy has made thoughtful posts but regrettably not accurate.

It was the police who reissued the fine and sent me the evidence I had submitted to the courts. They are fully aware of everything.

[scumdog]

And often the party giving the false details is very well known to the party whose details they are using.

And then police are hamstrung by only being allowed 15 minutes to satisfactorily ID a person.

And the opposite side of this thread would be getting held up by police while they photograph and fingerprint you on the side of the road, which they have legislative authority to do. I can hear the moans on KB about that one already.

Yep, then there would be this thread on KB: "I was stopped by the pigs and had left my licence behind and he wouldn't believe who I was and kept me at the side of the road for over 15 minutes trying to figure out who I was, FFS, I already told him, what more did he need?":rolleyes:

[scumdog]

Sod it. Just wrote a reply and lost it. :weep: So - I cannot comprehend why you blame the police for anything. You haven't contacted them with your evidence. If we honestly expected the police to believe every "it wasn't me" nobody would ever be convicted.

The District Court staff granted the re-hearing because they almost always do. No effect on them.

Read Brian and Red Mermaids posts - sound advice. Paddy has made thoughtful posts but regrettably not accurate.

Hopefully some of his contact has been with the PIB?
And not just the issuing officer?

[pzkpfw]

How did Mr Kennedy know your birthday and DL number?

He thinks the Police got it themselves...


The Driver's licence number and Date of Birth were correct, I assume it was after radioing in and requesting the details.

[firefighter]

Hopefully you have logged your hours down that you've spent sorting this all out, including on the day of court and ask to be paid out at your full current salary rate for wasted time.

I usually defend the cops but this is ratshit. The first part is fair enough and it's understandable, but after you've already put through more than enough evidence it's really shitty that it's been re-issued where identity theft is obvious, and it's hardly a new thing.

Good luck with it all.

[scumdog]

He thinks the Police got it themselves...

He ASSUMES that.

It is likely the 'offending' party gave the correct date of birth and the cop got the licence number - although I have heard of a situation where what I have just mentioned happened - and then on future occassions the offending party memorised the licence number from the previous ticket, told that to the cop who then confirmed it by a check-up which of course would indicate all was OK.....

The O.P. could request the Police put in their computer system that since somebody else using his I.D. that production of drivers licence is a MUST if said person (using his I.D.) has been stopped by Police - of course the O.P. will be in the poo if leaves his licence at home one day..:lol:

[Ixion]

You have definitely got issues.

I think you should go to court and assist meowmix, and start the defence by accusing the police officers of lying. Go on, bet you won't.

Nope. No issues. Just half a century of seeing this sort of shit go down again and again.

Cops never lie ? Yeah, right. Just like cops never rape. or commit any of the other offences that have seen a good number of them behind bars recently (and bear in mind, those that get caught are the tip of the iceberg). remember the Police Commissioner (don't get more senior than that) who had to resign because he tried to lie his way out of a drink driving rap?

And of course I'm not going to accuse cops of lying. I'm not a fool, I'd be a marked man for the rest of my life. Look at what happened to Louise Nicols when she tried to blow the whistle on rapist cops.

90% of cops are OK, 10% are bent ratbags. But the 10% set the standards and the 90% will make sure they cover for the 10%. Corruption isn't always a matter of used fivers in a brown paper bag, and police corruption IS endemic in NZ.

[scumdog]

Nope. No issues. Just half a century of seeing this sort of shit go down again and again.

Cops never lie ? Yeah, right. Just like cops never rape. or commit any of the other offences that have seen a good number of them behind bars recently (and bear in mind, those that get caught are the tip of the iceberg). remember the Police Commissioner (don't get more senior than that) who had to resign because he tried to lie his way out of a drink driving rap?

And of course I'm not going to accuse cops of lying. I'm not a fool, I'd be a marked man for the rest of my life. Look at what happened to Louise Nicols when she tried to blow the whistle on rapist cops.

90% of cops are OK, 10% are bent ratbags. But the 10% set the standards and the 90% will make sure they cover for the 10%. Corruption isn't always a matter of used fivers in a brown paper bag, and police corruption IS endemic in NZ.

Wow, you're starting to sound like SPB!:lol:

[peasea]

Thats right, due to the complete incompetence of our Police system, there is a way to avoid any tickets you may encounter, as long as its not fast enough to warrant taking your vehicle off you etc.

Simply say your name is something that it isn't. Simple huh?

How do I know this?

Some little prick used my name last year, on TWO seperate occasions when being pulled over for a licence check. What does Sgt. Ignor Anus do? "Oh, no licence? No other I.D.? You seem legit, I'll take your word for it."

WTF is wrong with the police? My tax is going to these jackasses wages!? Now I have to go to court to prove it wasn't me. Wow.

Btw, just checking the great pool of KB legal knowledge, are written and signed statements of witness good as evidence?

Now go out there with no rego and speed as much as you want under 140! When you get pulled up, use Ethan Kennedy. Just a "random" name here, it just feels like it deserves it...

Oh, that explains all the legal crap in my letterbox, thanks heaps.
Love, E.Kennedy.

[peasea]

Nope. No issues. Just half a century of seeing this sort of shit go down again and again.

Cops never lie ? Yeah, right. Just like cops never rape. or commit any of the other offences that have seen a good number of them behind bars recently (and bear in mind, those that get caught are the tip of the iceberg). remember the Police Commissioner (don't get more senior than that) who had to resign because he tried to lie his way out of a drink driving rap?

And of course I'm not going to accuse cops of lying. I'm not a fool, I'd be a marked man for the rest of my life. Look at what happened to Louise Nicols when she tried to blow the whistle on rapist cops.

90% of cops are OK, 10% are bent ratbags. But the 10% set the standards and the 90% will make sure they cover for the 10%. Corruption isn't always a matter of used fivers in a brown paper bag, and police corruption IS endemic in NZ.
You're not wrong mate. I've seen cops lie in the box and seen bullshit written statements fererring to incidents I saw unravel and you try and tell that to a judge. Yeah, sure there are some good cops etc etc but when the shit hits the fan they circle the wagons and use OUR money to fight any and all allegations. The last time I checked I think it was about 3% of complaints against police were upheld. You can't tell me that the other 97% were all bullshit; some of them sure, but not 97%. What it boils down to is how much time and money a member of the public is willing to spend bringing a liar in blue to account.

[red mermaid]

I wonder if the motorcycle club, whose name you appear to have used in bad faith, know of your slandering the judicial system?


Nope. No issues. Just half a century of seeing this sort of shit go down again and again.

Cops never lie ? Yeah, right. Just like cops never rape. or commit any of the other offences that have seen a good number of them behind bars recently (and bear in mind, those that get caught are the tip of the iceberg). remember the Police Commissioner (don't get more senior than that) who had to resign because he tried to lie his way out of a drink driving rap?

And of course I'm not going to accuse cops of lying. I'm not a fool, I'd be a marked man for the rest of my life. Look at what happened to Louise Nicols when she tried to blow the whistle on rapist cops.

90% of cops are OK, 10% are bent ratbags. But the 10% set the standards and the 90% will make sure they cover for the 10%. Corruption isn't always a matter of used fivers in a brown paper bag, and police corruption IS endemic in NZ.

[DEATH_INC.]

Wow, you're starting to sound like SPB!:lol:

Wanna see the written statement I have by a very senior superintendant, then have a listen to the audio recording of the offence? It's kinda funny....

[Ixion]

I wonder if the motorcycle club, whose name you appear to have used in bad faith, know of your slandering the judicial system?

Sigh.

It's the police system , not the judicial system. The police system and the judicial system are two plain different things. The police system is the projection of the power of the state; the judicial system is the containment of that power within the law. Though the police certainly sometimes appear to think that they are the judicial system as well, constitution or no constitution. And a 'system' cannot be slandered . You should know that. And it's in writing so it would be libel not slander. You should know that, too. And truth is always a defense to either, as is fair comment. You should know that , too. Were you wagging the day they covered the laws on defamation at Police College ? You'll need to do better, much better.

And the Ixion MCC (to which I assume you refer) fall a mere 3000 years or so short of being able to claim propriertary right to the name ; and half a century odd short of its use in a motorcycling context.

If the celestial shade of the reverend and canonical gentleman and biker (for he was both, and a through-going Christian of the good old school to boot) in whose erudite shadow I feebly attempt to follow, cares to lodge a caveat I'll take the matter under advisement . Until then , bugger off.

You're a cop. I'll grant the grace of assuming an unbent one. But there are bent cops. Not many, but too many. One bad apple and all that. You'd do the Force more of a favour by setting to and rooting out your dodgy collegues (you could start with a certain Ginga one), rather than trying to defend the indefensible.

[red mermaid]

So what do you do for a job, and bet there is plenty of bent ones in that occupation?

[Ixion]

So what do you do for a job, and bet there is plenty of bent ones in that occupation?


I'm quite sure there are. But firstly, I (and they) have not taken an oath to undertake the office of constable "without favour or affection, malice or ill will, until I am lawfully discharged." A higher standard of fidelity is required, and expected, of those to whom are entrusted the coercive and prerogative powers of the Crown, than of the common citizen. It goes with the job, so to speak.Like Caesar's wife . (Not that she goes with the job, unless your name is Shipton)

And secondly, should I become aware of any bent ones, I and my fellows would certainly do what lay within my power to expose them , or at least draw their derelictions to the attention of the proper authorities. Not gather in a circle to conceal them .

[scumdog]

Sigh.


You'd do the Force more of a favour by setting to and rooting out your dodgy collegues (you could start with a certain Ginga one), rather than trying to defend the indefensible.

Not as easy as it may seem, after all it's not likely the alleged dodgy miscreants are going to broadcast their activities to their workmates, is it?

[FJRider]

Most post offices have a copy of the electoral roll. If you have the time ... troll through and find a name, and address ... find one with a similar sound (any excuse is better than none, and.. if it catches up with you, you can blame the cop for getting it wrong :innocent:) ...Done ...

[LBD]

I have found the easiest and legit way to get off is to hand over my 100% legit Kyrgyz international license..(In NZ)...they look long and hard at he license and at me and back at the license then comes the line...."Your not going to pay this are you?" I smile and get told to slow down ...a smile and thanks and I am on my way....

[meowmix]

^ Awesome.

Just an update between the flames, the earliest I can get Legal assistance is the 11th. As a last resort I will use the Duty Solicitor on the day, at least its something. I did assume the Cop radioed in the name and recieved further details to complete the ticket, if the person who used my name failed to spell it right, I doubt they know my licence number to the letter.

[FROSTY]

Meeeow I'd suggest you have a bit of a chat with Death inc. He has recently had reason to deal with getting the police rt converstion from records

[LBD]

And there was the one about the lady who was pulled over for speeding in Southland...Do you know why Ipulled you over mam?

Of course I do she replied ...you are single and thought I look attractive, and you want to ask me to the Southland policemans Annual Ball.....

He looked at her amazed and replied...Southland Police don't have balls.....Realized what he had said, hung his head and walked off.

[p.dath]

He looked at her amazed and replied...Southland Police don't have balls.....Realized what he had said, hung his head and walked off.

Classic! Very funny.

[LBD]

Classic! Very funny.

Might be an urban myth but I heard it on the local radio and it was put accross as a true story

[davereid]

How did Mr Kennedy know your birthday and DL number? This is why I pack a volcanic shitty when people other than cops demand to see my drivers licence. All they have to do is write down the number and DoB and they've got a permanent get out gaol free card..

Yep, your drivers licence is one bit of ID you NEVER use for anything except driving. Not only does it have all the necessary information required to manage a very good bit of identity theft, if someone has both the licence number and version number, they can manipulate your NZTA account at will, on-line or over the phone.

They could change your recorded address, buy and sell vehicles, and all sorts of fraud.

Indeed, I urge caution about even giving your date-of-birth. All to often it is demanded by all sorts of companies that you deal with. And they will accept it as evidence of identity on the phone. So it becomes a semi-public PIN number.

[steve_t]

Yep, your drivers licence is one bit of ID you NEVER use for anything except driving.

Unless you look under 25 and are buying booze. Or you're setting up a mail hold/redirect at the post office, or setting up a new account with a new bank etc ;)
But yeah, everyone needs to be a little more cautious about protecting themselves against identity theft. It's slowly filtering to NZ from overseas

[meowmix]

Righto, the final update.

I went to Court for the Preliminary hearing and saw the duty solicitor. I explained the situation and he couldn't believe it got this far. He said he would speak to the police and see if it might be dropped before the hearing.
15 minutes later he comes back and says I'm free to go. The case was dropped, but not because I'm not at fault. The officer handling the whole thing has done something to render this case useless. He gave me the impression they were under investigation themselves?

So, a victory, if a sour one.

Thankyou to everyone for the advice, I didn't even get to use my fat folder made with your help :,(

[GOONR]

Righto, the final update.

I went to Court for the Preliminary hearing and saw the duty solicitor. I explained the situation and he couldn't believe it got this far. He said he would speak to the police and see if it might be dropped before the hearing.
15 minutes later he comes back and says I'm free to go. The case was dropped, but not because I'm not at fault. The officer handling the whole thing has done something to render this case useless. He gave me the impression they were under investigation themselves?

So, a victory, if a sour one.

Thankyou to everyone for the advice, I didn't even get to use my fat folder made with your help :,(

You must be glad that is behind you now. :niceone:

How do you stop this coming up again though? I would guess that the dude using your name will just carry on until he is nabbed doing it.

[meowmix]

I hope he does! I've asked the police to put a mark on my name, so whoever uses it must provide ID. Good for me, unless I forget my licence. Then I'd be in the crapper. Hopefully they take a picture next time.

I am glad the hassle is over, but I was really looking forward to making the Police recognise their error in front of a judge.

[pzkpfw]

The officer handling the whole thing has done something to render this case useless. He gave me the impression they were under investigation themselves?

...could it have been getting the license number off the RT conversation, instead of the person stopped?


Anyway, fight the power!

[red mermaid]

Im sorry, you believed a lawyer?!

There is more crooked lawyers in jail than there will ever be cops.

If you had gone to your local station and seen the Prosecution section you would have more likely cleared it up yourself.

[meowmix]

Im sorry, you believed a lawyer?!...
If you had gone to your local station and seen the Prosecution section you would have more likely cleared it up yourself.

Yes well I didn't have much else to go on at the time. The police station was useless, I had been in there several times before. There are only voulnteers at the desk and most of the time there is noone at all.
I have just recieved a notice saying one of the cases (or perhaps both lumped into one?) had been Adjourned, yet they want me to come in for a "One hour Defended hearing" in March. Is this standard or did that Lawyer miss something (like the other offence)?

[red mermaid]

So phone, ask for prosecutions (before 9am is best), explain what your position is in regard to false info being given and ask for an appt to come in and speak to them and get it cleared it.

[geoffm]

If the police officer identifies you in court as the person he spoke to then the statement you have been advised to make will be worth a tin of shit. "Your Worship, the Police have failed to positively identify that I was the person who committed the alleged offence."

.

My experience is that cops will lie like a rug to make the case - especally with traffic wher eno evidence is required. Cop says your guilty, judge always agrees, next one.
Don't be surprised if the cop swears it is you wen you ahve never met before.

[meowmix]

Finally finished. I think. The solicitor got me off one charge apparently, forgot the other. I have recieved a letter from the officer that issued the other charge saying they have dropped the charge. I replied expressing gratitude that it had been dropped, and also my distaste at the situation. She then found me on the street (got one of those bulls#1t-end-of-month-tickets, ironic really), and sort of had a go at the proposition that the Police should make an attempt to ID the people they pull over that don't have a license. Wtf.
Ohwell, all done and dusted, and frankly I'm sick of the Police alltogether. Not one positive experience with them yet, but I'm sure someone out there might have.. Maybe.

[jahrasti]

You're not wrong mate. I've seen cops lie in the box and seen bullshit written statements fererring to incidents I saw unravel and you try and tell that to a judge. Yeah, sure there are some good cops etc etc but when the shit hits the fan they circle the wagons and use OUR money to fight any and all allegations. The last time I checked I think it was about 3% of complaints against police were upheld. You can't tell me that the other 97% were all bullshit; some of them sure, but not 97%. What it boils down to is how much time and money a member of the public is willing to spend bringing a liar in blue to account.

And what oh great one do you class as being upheld?

Is that the 3% in which the Police get fired? Is it the 3% in which the Police are found at fault? What about the complaints that are not a PCA but are a letter or dissatisfaction or similar. These could be dealt with by a performance plan or specific training for the officer concerned. After all this happens in jobs in the real world. Why would Police be different?

Does this not happen? If it doesn't how do you know. Or will it be a generic statement like "Because they all just fuck'n look after each other".

[peasea]

"Because they all just fuck'n look after each other".

You're catching on.

So tell us, Ferous Nads, what is it you do for a living? Just curious.

Signed; The Great One. (I like it.)

[peasea]

Finally finished. I think. The solicitor got me off one charge apparently, forgot the other. I have recieved a letter from the officer that issued the other charge saying they have dropped the charge. I replied expressing gratitude that it had been dropped, and also my distaste at the situation. She then found me on the street (got one of those bulls#1t-end-of-month-tickets, ironic really), and sort of had a go at the proposition that the Police should make an attempt to ID the people they pull over that don't have a license. Wtf.
Ohwell, all done and dusted, and frankly I'm sick of the Police alltogether. Not one positive experience with them yet, but I'm sure someone out there might have.. Maybe.

Well I'm glad I'm not the only one who is "sick of the police" and their bully-boy antics.

[jahrasti]

You're catching on.

So tell us, Ferous Nads, what is it you do for a living? Just curious.

Signed; The Great One. (I like it.)



So how many cops have you seen lie in the 'box'? I mean I am curious as you are so wise on the whole subject.

The hourly cost of bike shops gets me angry as they charge more than alot of car places now. However I don't know enough about the industry to know if the costs are justified, so I don't make broad unjustified statements.
What do I do for a job? I am the most overworked, underpaid drive through worker that fat boy fast food chains have ever seen.

[kwaka_crasher]

These could be dealt with by a performance plan or specific training for the officer concerned. After all this happens in jobs in the real world. Why would Police be different?

We're lead to believe they've already been rigorously selected and well trained.

Why would Police be any different? You mean aside from their statutory powers being able to fuck with your life on a whimsical accusation?

[peasea]

We're lead to believe they've already been rigorously selected and well trained.

Why would Police be any different? You mean aside from their statutory powers being able to fuck with your life on a whimsical accusation?

Kinda rings a bell here...........

[peasea]

So how many cops have you seen lie in the 'box'? I mean I am curious as you are so wise on the whole subject.

The hourly cost of bike shops gets me angry as they charge more than alot of car places now. However I don't know enough about the industry to know if the costs are justified, so I don't make broad unjustified statements.
What do I do for a job? I am the most overworked, underpaid drive through worker that fat boy fast food chains have ever seen.

Three, and I can still recall the names of two of them.

So, I can assume from your employment status that you are either quite young (and therefore impressionable) or an ageing loser. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and guess that you are young. I am not, so pay attention; some cops lie, plain and simple.

[jahrasti]

Three, and I can still recall the names of two of them.

So, I can assume from your employment status that you are either quite young (and therefore impressionable) or an ageing loser. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and guess that you are young. I am not, so pay attention; some cops lie, plain and simple.

You just said it SOME COPS LIE. Fair enough I am not going to dispute that. I am sure that it has happened, however one would think that all credibility would be lost once caught.

I have friends from the Military that have joined the Police and they are fuckin good people and straight as an arrow. It pisses me off when people throw around generalised statements. These are good people who are honest and do the thin blue line proud.

You don't like the cops big deal I really couldn't give a shit. When you write generalised crap and try to pass it off as gospel, that is what I take offence to.

I have a personal experience of a surgeon lying in a Coroners inquest HOWEVER I don't lump all surgeons into the same bullshitting pile.

Why do you assume that I am either a ageing loser or young? Are you implying that what some one does for a living directly influences what type of person they are. Is a Forensic Nurse crazy because they work with mental patients, Or is a Company Director a megolomanic because he likes to run the company.

Do you lump Firefighters all as arsonist's because there have been previous incidents of their employees actually lighting fires? I would hazzard a guess and say that it is extremely rare and they are good people.

[peasea]

You just said it SOME COPS LIE. Fair enough I am not going to dispute that. I am sure that it has happened, however one would think that all credibility would be lost once caught.

I have friends from the Military that have joined the Police and they are fuckin good people and straight as an arrow. It pisses me off when people throw around generalised statements. These are good people who are honest and do the thin blue line proud.

You don't like the cops big deal I really couldn't give a shit. When you write generalised crap and try to pass it off as gospel, that is what I take offence to.

I have a personal experience of a surgeon lying in a Coroners inquest HOWEVER I don't lump all surgeons into the same bullshitting pile.

Why do you assume that I am either a ageing loser or young? Are you implying that what some one does for a living directly influences what type of person they are. Is a Forensic Nurse crazy because they work with mental patients, Or is a Company Director a megolomanic because he likes to run the company.

Do you lump Firefighters all as arsonist's because there have been previous incidents of their employees actually lighting fires? I would hazzard a guess and say that it is extremely rare and they are good people.

You obviously DO give a shit, otherwise you'd just let it go, but no.....

Many company directors are, in fact, megalomaniacs.

Often, what one does for a living will impact on their life and therefore their persona. Try living with an actor; you never know when they are being straight up or if they're taking the piss, which highlights how good that person is at acting.

Ultimately? Who gives a fuck?

[peasea]

SOME COPS LIE. Fair enough I am not going to dispute that.

I'm glad we cleared that up.

[jahrasti]

I'm glad we cleared that up.

At no point did I say that it had never happened.

The world will go on. You will continue with the anti Police tirade every chance you get.

[peasea]

At no point did I say that it had never happened.

The world will go on. You will continue with the anti Police tirade every chance you get.

No, you're quite wrong there. I love the police, they are our friends.

[jahrasti]

No, you're quite wrong there. I love the police, they are our friends.

Wait, stop it, I know whats gong on here you are being sarcastic!

You can't trick me.

[peasea]

Wait, stop it, I know whats gong on here you are being sarcastic!

You can't trick me.

Too late, I did that ages ago.........

[jahrasti]

Too late, I did that ages ago.........

Just come out of the closet we all know you are really a cop. Infact not just a cop but a Traffic Cop!

[peasea]

Just come out of the closet we all know you are really a cop. Infact not just a cop but a Traffic Cop!

I'm a Senior Constable, how did you guess?

[Littleman]

Just come out of the closet we all know you are really a cop. Infact not just a cop but a Traffic Cop!

Whats worse, he chose to be a traffic cop post the merger.

Balls of steel.

[jahrasti]

I'm a Senior Cunt stable, how did you guess?

It's childish but I had to do it

[peasea]

It's childish but I had to do it

I thought the same.
In reality I'm just a senior, constable is more the domain of my missus.

Now, off to bed and don't forget your teddy.

[jahrasti]

I thought the same.
In reality I'm just a senior, constable is more the domain of my missus.

Now, off to bed and don't forget your teddy.

I sure am the fries aren't gunna cook themselves in the morning.

[kwaka_crasher]

I'm a Senior Constable, how did you guess?

It's the way you lie so effortlessly... :rofl:

[peasea]

It's the way you lie so effortlessly... :rofl:

It's only half a lie, you have to guess which half. This is multi-choice so have a go.....
Did I lie about
A) Being a senior or
B) Being a constable?

First person to post the correct answer gets to go for a blast with my Zimmer frame.