Fail: Sea Shepherd

[kwaka_crasher]

...we need to send the navy out and fucking sink those whalers.

...send in the frigates and sink the jap whalers, with all hands on boards, and no warning shots fired.

...I have major issues with the japanese fleets coming down to OUR part of the world to steal natural resources. If they want to go whaling, let them do it in their waters, not ours.


We agree again.

Actually, this post seems to send the message that you'd be quite happy with illegal actions against the Japanese who are acting within the law...

[Maki]

People hunt pigs, deer and a variety of other animals and no one bats an eyelid. Why is a whale holier than a deer? It seems as though the minke whale population in the southern ocean is more than 300.000 animals (600.000+ according to the Japanese). Kiilling 1000 is not going to endanger the species.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minke_whale
I reckon these so called environmentalists could make better use of their time by concentrating on activities that actually do damage the environment such as pollution, destruction of wildlife habitats and unsustainable fishing. By doing what they are doing it seems as though all they are interested in is generating publicity and income by targetting a high profile activity regardless of the fact that this activity has no significant environmental impact.
In other words they are a bunch of tossers who should find better things to do...

[Skyryder]

Actually, this post seems to send the message that you'd be quite happy with illegal actions against the Japanese who are acting within the law...




Yet somehow you think the Sea Cocksmokers should be allowed to do what they like, which is outside the law, in order to interfere with the lawful whale harvesting activities of the Japanese? Double standards, anyone?

If I was the Japanese Captain, I'd not only have run the fuckers down on purpose if I could get close enough but I'd have taken a piss over the side onto them just for the dragging of lines intended to foul the propellors of my vessel. Fuck the sea terrorists.


No where in my posts have I supported the deliberate fouling of another vessel on the high seas.

I got no problem with sinking boats who deliberatly ram smaller vessels on the high seas. Not much difference here than what Crusher Collins has done with the boi racers. There was a time when raming and sinking an unarmed vessel was considered an act of war and a war crime.

Skyryder

[scissorhands]

Damage a tree in Japan and your for the hugh jump. Nearly every sizable tree is recorded and numbered.

[Mikkel]

the minke whale population in the southern ocean is more than 300.000 animals (600.000+ according to the Japanese)

And considering that they are the only ones with extensive whale research going on, surely the Japanese would be able to make the better estimate. :whistle:


I reckon these so called environmentalists could make better use of their time by concentrating on activities that actually do damage the environment such as pollution, destruction of wildlife habitats and unsustainable fishing. By doing what they are doing it seems as though all they are interested in is generating publicity and income by targetting a high profile activity regardless of the fact that this activity has no significant environmental impact.
In other words they are a bunch of tossers who should find better things to do...

I agree completely. Hooning around in big fucking boats for no good reason isn't exactly doing the planet a favour now is it?

[LBD]

I finally get to see the Vid. The one at the start of this thread has been removed for one reason or another but still on you tube. I do the footage from the Bob Barker that appears to be a turn to stbd and may be....It could be down to two things, neither I would call deliberate intent to ram by the Jap skipper...
1) Footage from the Bob Barker is questionable moving back and forth accross the bow to give the illusion....The protestors are on a campaign after all and would not let the truth stand in the way of a good set up in their favor.

2) While some say the Jap skipper turned to stbd in an apparent attempt to ram the Gill....I would suggest there is enough eratic manouvering by the Gil, that the jap skipper considering a collision was on the cards, took the text book turn to stbd to avoid.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ9HlEFOk94

What is very obvious from this footage, looking at the increasing prop wash from the Andy Gil seconds before collision, is the Andy Gil deliberatly accelerating under the bow of the Jap ship..... IMO, suicide in the name of publicity.

[jonbuoy]

Or they flapped and went ahead instead of astern I have no idea on the engine control layout although I doubt that size boat would have separate throttle and gear levers?

[Ronin]

What is very obvious from this footage, looking at the increasing prop wash from the Andy Gil seconds before collision, is the Andy Gil deliberatly accelerating under the bow of the Jap ship..... IMO, suicide in the name of publicity.

If you watch the footage from onboard the Jap boat, there is a moment where the stern of the Ady Gil is clear of the water. You can see the rudder hard to starboard.

NOTE: they are both still in the wrong.

[Ronin]

Or they flapped and went ahead instead of astern I have no idea on the engine control layout although I doubt that size boat would have separate throttle and gear levers?

Props designed for high speed/efficiancy are very poor at reverse. His best best at avoidence would have been to do what he did.

[kwaka_crasher]

No where in my posts have I supported the deliberate fouling of another vessel on the high seas.Yet you refuse to condemn that action. You know that Sea Shepard idiots have no right to be there doing it whereas the Japanese have every right to be there catching whales.

[LBD]

Props designed for high speed/efficiancy are very poor at reverse. His best best at avoidence would have been to do what he did.

Definatly agree with prop design statement.....Best avoidence is not to have been in such a position in the first place.

[Ronin]

Definatly agree with prop design statement.....Best avoidence is not to have been in such a position in the first place.

Ok... 2nd lol :laugh:

[jonbuoy]

Props designed for high speed/efficiancy are very poor at reverse. His best best at avoidence would have been to do what he did.

I've no idea on the prop design of earth race but looking at the video I'm not so sure ahead was the right move- even if he didn't make much progress it would have slowed the impact and definitely not added to it., they never stood a chance of making it around the bow. But then we can't see it from their angle. Either way they had plenty of time before impact to get out of the way.

[awayatc]

If you don't like the slimy little c**ts,
don't buy their products.....

Harley Davidson
Aprilia
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[Skyryder]

Yet you refuse to condemn that action. You know that Sea Shepard idiots have no right to be there doing it whereas the Japanese have every right to be there catching whales.


As you equally do in your refusal to condemn the deliberate ramming of another vessel.

As for your statement that Japan has every right to be in the Antarctica catching whales. Not according to the IWC.


Japan supposedly accepts the commercial ban, but kills even more minke whales than Norway for "scientific" purposes. It just so happens that whale meat also ends up for sale in the market! Japan continues to kill whales even in the Southern Ocean whale sanctuary around Antarctica, in defiance of the IWC.
From

http://www.animalliberation.org.au/whalehist.php

Do some research before you harpoon ya self in the foot.


Skyryder

[puddytat]

Seems pretty obvious to me that the apparant forward motion of the Ady Gill would be caused by the Nips hitting the port side outrigger bit first, something you dont see from the Jap boat as it is obscured by the side & the bow...
Hitting that first & cutting it off in the process ,would cause the Ady Gill to surge forward.....dont think you need a lot of theory to understand that.

SAVE WHALES...EAT MORE JAPS!!

[kwaka_crasher]

As you equally do in your refusal to condemn the deliberate ramming of another vessel.

I reckon my position on that matter was made pretty clear, wouldn't you agree?


If I was the Japanese Captain, I'd not only have run the fuckers down on purpose if I could get close enough but I'd have taken a piss over the side onto them just for the dragging of lines intended to foul the propellors of my vessel. Fuck the sea terrorists.

Not really a lot of room for misinterpretation of my position there... so speak up... what's yours?


As for your statement that Japan has every right to be in the Antarctica catching whales. Not according to the IWC.

Japan supposedly accepts the commercial ban, but kills even more minke whales than Norway for "scientific" purposes. It just so happens that whale meat also ends up for sale in the market! Japan continues to kill whales even in the Southern Ocean whale sanctuary around Antarctica, in defiance of the IWC.
From

http://www.animalliberation.org.au/whalehist.php

Do some research before you harpoon ya self in the foot.

Newsflash, moron: animalliberation.org.au IS NOT the IWC's website.

But this (http://www.iwcoffice.org/conservation/permits.htm) is.


A major area of discussion in recent years has been the issuing of permits by member states for the killing of whales for scientific purposes. The use of such permits is not new. The right to issue them is enshrined in Article VIII of the 1946 Convention. Whilst member nations must submit proposals for review, in accordance with the Convention, it is the member nation that ultimately decides whether or not to issue a permit, and this right overrides any other Commission regulations including the moratorium and sanctuaries. Article VIII also requires that the animals be utilised once the scientific data have been collected.

What was it you were saying about not researching and harpooning yourself in the foot? :rofl: :killingme :lol:

Y'all come back now, y'hear!

[LBD]

cause the Ady Gill to surge forward.....dont think you need a lot of theory to understand that.

SAVE WHALES...EAT MORE JAPS!!

And you do not neet a lot of practical marine experience to know the difference between a wake and a prop wash...the water boil from the rear of the Any Gill is unmistakably prop wash.

Last Jap I tried left a bitter after taste....

[Skyryder]

Newsflash, moron: animalliberation.org.au IS NOT the IWC's website.

But this (http://www.iwcoffice.org/conservation/permits.htm) is.



What was it you were saying about not researching and harpooning yourself in the foot? :rofl: :killingme :lol:

Y'all come back now, y'hear!

The IWC has allowed the member state Government to make this decision. The moratium of the IWC still stands. My statement that Japan is operating illegalyy is still valid.

The measure passed by 25 votes to seven, with five abstentions.[14] Seems pretty clear to me. :2guns::2guns:

Further to this

Commission Review

In the discussion of these permits in the Commission, an additional factor raised is that the catches take place within the Southern Ocean Sanctuary declared by the IWC in 1994 (to which Japan lodged an objection with respect to minke whales). If a Sanctuary is in place, it can be argued that information on improving management of whaling in that region is unnecessary. On many occasions, the Commission has (by majority vote) passed a Resolution urging Japan not to issue a permit for these catches.

At best youcould argue that japan is operating under Japanese Law as it is the Japanese who allow the whaling and have the final l say but to suggest that they are operating with IWC approval on the basis that the IWC allows member nations the decision to whale or not defies all the resolutions legely passed by the IWC.

As for your statement that Japan has every right to be in the Antarctica catching whales. Not according to the IWC. This still stands


Skyryder

[kwaka_crasher]

The IWC has allowed the member state Government to make this decision.

Allowed? The member state has the right in law. So, NOT ILLEGAL.


The moratium of the IWC still stands. My statement that Japan is operating illegalyy is still valid.

The moratorium is still valid as far as the IWC powers go, but that is irrelevant. Your assertion that Japan is operating illegally has never been valid except in your non-functioning mind. Once again, for the stupid:


the member nation that ultimately decides whether or not to issue a permit, and this right overrides any other Commission regulations including the moratorium and sanctuaries



The measure passed by 25 votes to seven, with five abstentions.[14] Seems pretty clear to me. :2guns::2guns:

A swing and a miss. Again. And put those guns down or you'll shoot yourself in the foot again.


Further to this

Commission Review

In the discussion of these permits in the Commission, an additional factor raised is that the catches take place within the Southern Ocean Sanctuary declared by the IWC in 1994 (to which Japan lodged an objection with respect to minke whales). If a Sanctuary is in place, it can be argued that information on improving management of whaling in that region is unnecessary. On many occasions, the Commission has (by majority vote) passed a Resolution urging Japan not to issue a permit for these catches.


See that 'urging' bit? That means the IWC cannot tell them to stop because the Japanese are operating wholly within the law so the operation is NOT ILLEGAL.

Is it sinking in yet?

[Skyryder]

Allowed? The member state has the right in law. So, NOT ILLEGAL.



The moritorium is still valid as far as the IWC powers go, but that is irrelevant. Your assertion that Japan is operating illegally has never been valid except in your non-functioning mind. Once again, for the stupid:





A swing and a miss. Again. And put those guns down or you'll shoot yourself in the foot again.



See that 'urging' bit? That means the IWC cannot tell them to stop because the Japanese are operating wholly within the law so the operation is NOT ILLEGAL.

Is it sinking in yet?

Nope.

You seem to be unable to determine the difference in what the the IWC lawfully allows and what it does not. The IWC allows whaling for scientific purposes and not for commercial whaling and it allows member nations to make decisions based on this.

Given the numbers of whale killed and that the meat finds it way onto the Japanese food markets only a fool would consider that Japan is whaling legally.

Skyryder

[kwaka_crasher]

Nope.

Sorry, but yip, not nope.


You seem to be unable to determine the difference in what the the IWC lawfully allows and what it does not. The IWC allows whaling for scientific purposes and not for commercial whaling and it allows member nations to make decisions based on this.

Nope. IWC doesn't ALLOW shit. They have no say in the matter. It's entirely down to the wishes of the member nation.


Given the numbers of whale killed and that the meat finds it way onto the Japanese food markets only a fool would consider that Japan is whaling legally.

Nope. It's REQUIRED that the animal be utilised. See here. (http://www.iwcoffice.org/conservation/permits.htm) Again.


Article VIII also requires that the animals be utilised once the scientific data have been collected.

As anyone with more than half a functioning brain can see, your bullshit and lies are thoroughly disproven. So stop wasting everyone's time and just accept you're completely wrong. Only then can you grow and mature. :bleh:

[Skyryder]

Sorry, but yip, not nope.



Nope. IWC doesn't ALLOW shit. They have no say in the matter. It's entirely down to the wishes of the member nation.



Nope. It's REQUIRED that the animal be utilised. See here. (http://www.iwcoffice.org/conservation/permits.htm) Again.



As anyone with more than half a functioning brain can see, your bullshit and lies are thoroughly disproven. So stop wasting everyone's time and just accept you're completely wrong. Only then can you grow and mature. :bleh:




The bottom line on this is that there is no need for Japan to be engaged in scientific studies as this is now being carried out by the IWC.

SOUTHERN OCEAN WHALE AND ECOSYSTEM RESEARCH PROGRAMME (SOWER)
In the mid-1970s, the IWC Scientific Committee established a major research programme known as the ‘International Decades of Cetacean Research’. One of the most important features of that programme was a series of international cruises (independent from whaling operations) in the Antarctic with the aim of obtaining abundance estimates for Southern Hemisphere minke whales. The ‘easiest’ place to do that is in the austral summer when the animals are feeding near to the ice. The first cruise took place in 1978/79 using two vessels (and crews) generously provided by the Government of Japan and with an international group of scientists. The design of the research programme is the responsibility of the IWC Scientific Committee. This approach has been continued in all cruises up to the present. Between 1980/81 and 1986/87, the USSR also provided one vessel. The IDCR programme ceased in 1996/97 and was replaced by the major new Southern Ocean Whale and Ecosystem Research (SOWER) programme.
Largely in response to worries about the low abundance of blue whales in the Southern Hemisphere, particularly in view of their protection since the mid-1960s, a research programme for large baleen whales was developed by the Scientific Committee. The work on blue whales, in particular has been incorporated into the traditional Antarctic sightings cruises. The programme also includes the collection of biopsy samples of skin from living whales and acoustic recording of blue whale sounds to determine stock and species identity and to improve abundance estimation techniques for rare populations. As techniques develop, increased emphasis will be given to integrated environmental research linking cetacean abundance and distributions with ecological factors.
The cruises have been successfully conducted for over 23 years with a total searching distance up to 2000/01 of 70,340 n.miles during 2,448 ship-days in the Antarctic. The collaborative nature of the programme is highlighted by the participation of 69 international researchers from 14 nations in the programme.
The cruises have provided a wealth of information on the distribution and abundance of cetaceans in the waters south of 60°S. An overview of the cruises can be found in the following published papers:
Branch, T.A. and Butterworth, D.S. 2001. Estimates of abundance south of 60ºS for cetacean species sighted frequently on the 1978/79 to 1997/98 IWC/IDCR-SOWER sighting surveys. J. Cetacean Res. Manage. 3(3):251-70.
Branch, T.A. and Butterworth, D.S. 2001. Southern Hemisphere minke whales: standardised abundance estimates from the 1978/79 to 1997/98 IDCR-SOWER surveys. J. Cetacean Res. Manage. 3(2):143-74.
Kasamatsu, F., Hembree, D., Joyce, G., Tsunoda, L., Rowlett, R. and Nakano, T. 1988. Distribution of cetacean sightings in the Antarctic: results obtained from the IWC/IDCR minke whale assessment cruises, 1978/79 to 1983/84. Rep. int. Whal. Commn. 38:449-87.
Matsuoka, K., Ensor, P., Hakamada, T., Shimada, H., Nishiwaki, S., Kasamatsu, F. and Kato, H. 2003. Overview of minke whale sightings surveys conducted on IWC/IDCR and SOWER Antarctic cruises from 1978/79 to 2000/01. J. Cetacean Res. Manage. 5(2):173-201.________________________________________ ________________________________________


It seems to me that after 23 years of research and that the IWC still has a moratorium on whaling and the majority of the member countries still adhere to this them in respect of the IWC the whaling by Japan is illegal. We can argue to the cows come home on this and come to no solution one way or the other. I belive that I am right on the basis of the information that I have supplied you believe you are right on what you have supplied from the IWC site.

Personally I have little interest in whaling be it illegal or not. My initial concern on this thread was in the deliberate ramming of another boat. You see this as acceptable on the basis that you do not agree with the motives of Sea Shepherd.

And now you ‘plead’ that I should admit that I am wrong and grow up.

Ya right about one thing, I ‘am’ wasting my time on this. No more.

Skyryder

[avgas]

Who are the board members of the IWC?
Where do their allegiance lie?
What laws exist where they do whaling?
I find all this very interesting from an international perspective - as according to the Japanese they are allowed the whales in what I would call international neutral waters. But on the same side of the coin I am surprised that SS haven't just sunk a Japanese ship - and find our which law will be applied.

[avgas]

The cruises have provided a wealth of information on the distribution and abundance of cetaceans in the waters south of 60°S. An overview of the cruises can be found in the following published papers:
Branch, T.A. and Butterworth, D.S. 2001. Estimates of abundance south of 60ºS for cetacean species sighted frequently on the 1978/79 to 1997/98 IWC/IDCR-SOWER sighting surveys. J. Cetacean Res. Manage. 3(3):251-70.
Branch, T.A. and Butterworth, D.S. 2001. Southern Hemisphere minke whales: standardised abundance estimates from the 1978/79 to 1997/98 IDCR-SOWER surveys. J. Cetacean Res. Manage. 3(2):143-74.
Kasamatsu, F., Hembree, D., Joyce, G., Tsunoda, L., Rowlett, R. and Nakano, T. 1988. Distribution of cetacean sightings in the Antarctic: results obtained from the IWC/IDCR minke whale assessment cruises, 1978/79 to 1983/84. Rep. int. Whal. Commn. 38:449-87.
Matsuoka, K., Ensor, P., Hakamada, T., Shimada, H., Nishiwaki, S., Kasamatsu, F. and Kato, H. 2003. Overview of minke whale sightings surveys conducted on IWC/IDCR and SOWER Antarctic cruises from 1978/79 to 2000/01. J. Cetacean Res. Manage. 5(2):173-201.
Does anyone else find this a little sick........its investigation for a business proposal - there is NO SCIENCE in regards to these numbers. They haven't tested food supply, water tempertures or anything. They have gone to place where something is and counted it. A 2 year old could do that......not a PHD grad. Research here is nothing but AUDITING.
I propose that we do a few bus tours, where we count and measure japanese graves. Then in 6 months we will come back a dig it up for a swimming pool.

[kwaka_crasher]

The bottom line on this is that there is no need for Japan to be engaged in scientific studies as this is now being carried out by the IWC.

No. The bottom line is it's none of your fucking business what they do within the law and the Japanese are, according to the IWC, operating entirely within the law.

It's one thing to say you don't agree with whaling and you have that right and the right to protest but to lie by saying it's illegal when you know otherwise and to try justify the Sea Fuckwit boats physically interfering with the entirely lawful activity of the Japanese is a completely different thing. They have no right whatsoever to do that. Those activities are unlawful.


It seems to me that after 23 years of research and that the IWC still has a moratorium on whaling and the majority of the member countries still adhere to this them in respect of the IWC the whaling by Japan is illegal. We can argue to the cows come home on this and come to no solution one way or the other.


Wait, I'm getting something... and this just in!
IWC SAYS JAPAN IS NOT WHALING ILLEGALLY!
:lol:
Who is looking for a 'solution'? I'm just presenting FACTS.


I belive that I am right on the basis of the information that I have supplied you believe you are right on what you have supplied from the IWC site.

I don't just believe, I know I'm right and I've proven it. You trotted out the ICW as the definitive authority (despite the fact you never actually quoted anything from there) and then I proved your claims blatantly incorrect and entirely without foundation with information on the IWC website. You have no 'information' to the contrary - you just have some bullshit conjecture posted on some hippie website. So you are in fact just regurgitating shit you've previously swallowed.


Personally I have little interest in whaling be it illegal or not. My initial concern on this thread was in the deliberate ramming of another boat. You see this as acceptable on the basis that you do not agree with the motives of Sea Shepherd.

Fuck them and their 'motives'. Damn right it's acceptable to mow their arses down - they're unlawfully attempting to interfere in the lawful activites of the Japanese. If they just go and protest that's fine. But intentionally get in the way of the lawful activities of the Japanese and they can be sent to Davy Jones' locker for all I care. You might wrongly think they'd then be martyrs but in reality they'd just be some dead idiots.


And now you ‘plead’ that I should admit that I am wrong and grow up.

I pled nothing. It's up to you whether you wish to continue to look foolish by continuing to deny you've got it all completely wrong because you're ignorant of the facts. Clearly that is your choice. Just as it is my choice to laugh at and continue to correct you.

[Skyryder]

No. The bottom line is it's none of your fucking business what they do within the law and the Japanese are, according to the IWC, operating entirely within the law.

It's one thing to say you don't agree with whaling and you have that right and the right to protest but to lie by saying it's illegal when you know otherwise and to try justify the Sea Fuckwit boats physically interfering with the entirely lawful activity of the Japanese is a completely different thing. They have no right whatsoever to do that. Those activities are unlawful.




Wait, I'm getting something... and this just in!
IWC SAYS JAPAN IS NOT WHALING ILLEGALLY!
:lol:
Who is looking for a 'solution'? I'm just presenting FACTS.



I don't just believe, I know I'm right and I've proven it. You trotted out the ICW as the definitive authority (despite the fact you never actually quoted anything from there) and then I proved your claims blatantly incorrect and entirely without foundation with information on the IWC website. You have no 'information' to the contrary - you just have some bullshit conjecture posted on some hippie website. So you are in fact just regurgitating shit you've previously swallowed.



Fuck them and their 'motives'. Damn right it's acceptable to mow their arses down - they're unlawfully attempting to interfere in the lawful activites of the Japanese. If they just go and protest that's fine. But intentionally get in the way of the lawful activities of the Japanese and they can be sent to Davy Jones' locker for all I care. You might wrongly think they'd then be martyrs but in reality they'd just be some dead idiots.



I pled nothing. It's up to you whether you wish to continue to look foolish by continuing to deny you've got it all completely wrong because you're ignorant of the facts. Clearly that is your choice. Just as it is my choice to laugh at and continue to correct you.:yawn::yawn::yawn:

[kwaka_crasher]

:yawn::yawn::yawn:

It was already obvious facts bore you as you deal only in conjecture.

[pzkpfw]

:yawn::yawn::yawn:

This is the classic internet forum "yellow flag".

It's like a white flag, meaning "I surrender..." but adds a little bit of "...but I'll pretend I don't care".

[Skyryder]

This is the classic internet forum "yellow flag".

It's like a white flag, meaning "I surrender..." but adds a little bit of "...but I'll pretend I don't care".

Yes but it also means that the debate is going around in circles and I 'am' getting bored. (PLeading for me to give in is much the same as it suggests that the other opponent has run out of ideas to promote their arguement) Besides there comes a time when someone needs to call it quits. Fanatics do not seem to understand this. But believe what you will. Your choice. I'll 'not' pretend I just don't care............I don't care.

Skyryder

[JimO]

i dont care either

[LBD]

So by way of a semi closing comment..... http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/album.php?albumid=2499&attachmentid=179036

[kwaka_crasher]

Yes but it also means that the debate is going around in circles and I 'am' getting bored. (PLeading for me to give in is much the same as it suggests that the other opponent has run out of ideas to promote their arguement) Besides there comes a time when someone needs to call it quits. Fanatics do not seem to understand this. But believe what you will. Your choice. I'll 'not' pretend I just don't care............I don't care.

There is no debate. You've been proven well and truely wrong. Just because you refuse to see the evidence and accept the fact doesn't change the reality.

Nobody is pleading with you - it's all in your head - just like the 'illegal Japanese whaling'. Who needs ideas to promote their argument when there are FACTS that settle the disagreement irrefutably? They're staring you in the face. Open your eyes, fool! :laugh:

Fanatics lack logic and sound, critical reasoning in the face of overwhelming evidence contrary to their view, so if there's a fanatic in this thread, it's you! :lol:

I find it hilarious that you cared right up until it was pointed out that your ridiculous anti-whaling zealot position of 'the Japanese are whaling illegally' was a complete falsehood. :killingme

[awayatc]

which brainwashing powder you use?
seems to work quite well in whitewashing........

[kwaka_crasher]

which brainwashing powder you use?
seems to work quite well in whitewashing........

Whitewash: anything, as deceptive words or actions, used to cover up or gloss over faults, errors, or wrongdoings, or absolve a wrongdoer from blame.

That obviously far more closely reseembles the tactics of the Sea Shithead camp who have posted nothing but lies and then suddenly lose interest when confronted with verifiable facts. Clearly they're letting their xenophobia get the better of them.

[avgas]

Sorry kwaka_crasher........but I still don't see how what japan is doing is not wrong.
lets say i changed the scenario.
Say I set up a committee, and we called ourselves "International Kiwi-meat Committee". Would what I say be found to be legitimate in an international law?
As far as I can see SS and IWC both do not have a leg to stand on. And both are lying about it.
Show me something that has a true international basis for Japans supposed whalling operation.
As far as I can see the IWC only really looks after whalling..........which means the board fails rule no.1 : Is there Conflict?
If something like this can be created this unbalanced from nothing.........what is stopping it happening to everything?

[imdying]

The plastic boat could have avoided the incident, so it's their fault, end of story.

Surely they have maritime laws regarding how close you're allowed to sail to another vessel without permission in any case?

[kwaka_crasher]

Sorry kwaka_crasher........but I still don't see how what japan is doing is not wrong.

I don't believe I've said anywhere that is isn't wrong, although that is my personal belief. I have absolutely no problem with sustainable whaling - let's get that straight.

What I have said is what the Japanese are doing is lawful. And to go about doing unlawful things as Sea Shithead have done in an attempt to stop the Japanese doing something that is entirely lawful is both unlawful AND wrong. How would you like it if in order to stop you motorcycling, motorcycle protesters threw Z-nails on the road as they saw you coming and you were at a distance where you simply couldn't avoid them?

They're welcome to go and protest. I even believe exercising that is as much an obligation as a right. However, I certainly don't agree with their tactics and outright lies. I would not begrudge even that fuckwit professional protestor Minto the unalienble right of peaceful protest even as much as I think he should be shot with a ball of his own shit.


lets say i changed the scenario.
Say I set up a committee, and we called ourselves "International Kiwi-meat Committee". Would what I say be found to be legitimate in an international law?

Your scenario is not appropriate because Kiwi are actually endangered (presuming you mean the bird...) and oceans are international - Kiwis are found only here, in our soverign territory. Incidently, I would have no objection to Kiwi being farmed and sold for meat - that will guarantee their survival as opposed to this piecemeal conservation bullshit. But that's an argument for another time...


As far as I can see SS and IWC both do not have a leg to stand on. And both are lying about it.

In what way are the IWC lieing about anything? Membership is entirely voluntary - Japan could just tell them to get fucked and withdraw. Obviously, Japan is looking after it's own interests, but who doesn't? The fact they're willing to be bound by the IWC says a lot. SS are clearly lieing by saying the whaling is illegal. They know it isn't but they know their emotive rantings will be unquestionably accepted by their target audience who will deny it's a lie even in the face of clear evidence, as we've seen here.


Show me something that has a true international basis for Japans supposed whalling operation.

I'm not sure what you mean here.


As far as I can see the IWC only really looks after whalling..........which means the board fails rule no.1 : Is there Conflict?

Of course it looks after whaling, but not solely the interests of the whaling nations.


If something like this can be created this unbalanced from nothing.........what is stopping it happening to everything?

What imbalance?

[Hinny]

The plastic boat could have avoided the incident, so it's their fault, end of story.

No wonder eye witness evidence is given so little weight in law.
How you could come to that conclusion defies imagination.

[Hinny]

What I have said is what the Japanese are doing is lawful.

Still don't believe you.

[kwaka_crasher]

Still don't believe you.

Then you either haven't read the links I provided to the IWC webstie or you're just plain stupid and pig-headed like that other clown who pretended he didn't care once he was shown to be talking shit...

[Hinny]

I read the links.
The idea that you can make something 'legal' by giving yourself permission is errant nonsense.
Surely you can see that.

It is noteworthy, to me at least, that those that espouse right wing claptrap almost all resort to name calling.
'Sea Shitheads' is one of yours.I find that really interesting. No doubt there are many and varied explanations as to why that should be so.
I remenber heariing something about it along the lines of making it easier to demonise the target and thereby give some sort of validity to your view of that target.
In this case 'Shitheads' sounds bad ... so they must be bad.
All rather purile in my opinion.

[kwaka_crasher]

I read the links.
The idea that you can make something 'legal' by giving yourself permission is errant nonsense.
Surely you can see that.

Clearly you didn't read them well. The Japanese government has issued permits, as they are lawfully entitled to do. They're not breaking any laws. No laws broken = not illegal.


It is noteworthy, to me at least, that those that espouse right wing claptrap almost all resort to name calling.
'Sea Shitheads' is one of yours.I find that really interesting. No doubt there are many and varied explanations as to why that should be so.
I remenber heariing something about it along the lines of making it easier to demonise the target and thereby give some sort of validity to your view of that target.
In this case 'Shitheads' sounds bad ... so they must be bad.
All rather purile in my opinion.

What's worse... a little name calling or the blatant xenophobia displayed by some of the pro-Sea Shithead posters in this thread? Go back, have a look. I note your silence on that is deafening - a bit of cherry-picking going on here...

Personally, I find arguing a point of view that has been thoroughly refuted such as the foolish claim that the Japanese activity is 'illegal' when it clearly isn't, to be far more purile and very childish.

[terbang]

Yeah but we all know the japs don't give a fuck about the rules. And don't even need to play by them.
I sprung a jap vessel slaughtering whales not far off Sydney. In Aussie water... To all those sunning themselves on Coogee beach life was perfect, but just over the horizon... Took all the images, footage ETC which got Aussie AQIS and the greenies all jumping with rage, yet nothing happened. Too many good deals on Jap machinery I guess.

[JimO]

Yeah but we all know the japs don't give a fuck about the rules.

that makes both sides then

[Hinny]

Clearly you didn't read them well. The Japanese government has issued permits, as they are lawfully entitled to do. They're not breaking any laws. No laws broken = not illegal.

Personally, I find arguing a point of view that has been thoroughly refuted such as the foolish claim that the Japanese activity is 'illegal' when it clearly isn't, to be far more purile and very childish.

You don't seem to get that your arguement is equivalent to arguing that David Bain is innocent. Because of the outcome of one court case, acquitted, therefor he must be innocent.

[Pascal]

You don't seem to get that your arguement is equivalent to arguing that David Bain is innocent. Because of the outcome of one court case, acquitted, therefor he must be innocent.

Would it be fair to turn around and say your arguments are equivalent to vigilante justice?

[imdying]

How you could come to that conclusionAhhh, that would be because they were two boats in a million square miles of Southern Ocean, and the plastic boat still managed to get struck by the larger vessel.

The only way that they could have come into contact like that is if they were sailing to close to one another. There was absolutely no reason for them to be so close to the larger vessel that it could have hit them. Therefore, given they could have easily avoided the entire incident, and that it seems unlikely that the larger boat was chasing the smaller boat around a million square miles of ocean, it's their fault.

Tell us, people playing chicken with cars and then getting hit, I suppose you think that's the drivers fault too hmmm?

[pzkpfw]

Still don't believe you.

Turn it around - can you show it to be illegal?

[kwaka_crasher]

Yeah but we all know the japs don't give a fuck about the rules. And don't even need to play by them.

And yet here they are playing by the rules...


You don't seem to get that your arguement is equivalent to arguing that David Bain is innocent. Because of the outcome of one court case, acquitted, therefor he must be innocent.

What a pathetic attempt at an analogy.


Turn it around - can you show it to be illegal?

Of course he can't. The anti-whaling position is entirely emotional and in some cases just thinly disguised xenophobia. They just know, like Goebbels, that repeat the lie (of illegality in this instance) often enogh and the minions will eventually believe it.

[Skyryder]

Bit lengthy all this but have italicized the bits that matter.



JARPA
The research program took place near Antarctica from 1988 to 2005. Its stated objectives were to determine mortality rates, whale stock numbers and structure, the role of whales in the Antarctic ecosystem and how environmental changes affect whales. The whaling operation alternated between several pre-established areas intending to take 400 or more minke whales per season.
In 1997 the IWC scientific committee officially reviewed the JARPA program. The committee expected reasonable precision and usefulness of the data collected but disagreed on whether lethal methods were necessary. It was also noted that the results could potentially allow for an increase in the number of minke whales annually taken.[
In the final 2007 review the committee agreed with the initial 1997 mid assessment. It recognized that progress had been made in identifying stock structure and at least two stocks were found in the research area. Agreed estimates of abundance could not be developed and preliminary estimates may only reflect major changes in abundance over a long time line. Problems were identified with age and mortality rate data. Krill-related work was welcomed but relatively little progress was made toward understanding the role of whales in the Antarctic ecosystem. Data on pollution was also welcomed but disagreement continued over the analysis of the results. Levels of toxic pollutants were lower in Antarctic whales than those sampled in the Northern hemisphere.
The commission made note of the fact that the catches took place in the IWC established Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary and that improving management of whaling in a sanctuary is unnecessary. The 2007-1 resolution on JARPA is one of several calling on Japan by majority vote to suspend its lethal research.
JARPA II
Like its predecessor, the research whaling program takes place near Antarctica. Starting in 2005 and continuing to the present day, objectives include monitoring the Antarctic ecosystem, modeling competition between whale species, recording changes in stock structure and improving future management of Antarctic whales. The program calls for 850 or more Antarctic minke whales, 50 fin whales and 50 humpback whales per season

Disagreement over the value of the research, the use of lethal methods and the sample sizes continued in both the scientific committee and the commission. In 2005 and 2007 the commission passed resolutions by majority urging Japan to stop all lethal research in JARPA II
JARPN
From 1994 to 1999 Japan carried out its research program JARPN in the western North Pacific. Its stated goals were to improve knowledge of stock identity, improve Implementation Simulation Trials for North Pacific Common Minke whales and act as a feasibility study for a program on feeding ecology. The program called for 100 minke whales annually. The results were reviewed by committee in February, 2000. The committee agreed that the information was useful for management but no consensus was reached on whether lethal methods of research were necessary.
As with JARPA, the IWC issued resolutions calling for Japan to cease issuing permits for the take of Minke whales citing concerns over the need for lethal methods such as the 1999-3 Resolution on whaling under Special Permit.
JARPN II
JARPN II began with a feasibility study from 2000 to 2001 to continue taking whales in the western North Pacific Ocean including 100 common minke whales, 50 Bryde's whales and 10 sperm whales. The objectives of the program included study of feeding ecology (such as prey consumption), stock structure and the environmental impacts of cetaceans. In 2002 after the completion of the initial study Japan proposed and began a long-term program to study how feeding ecology relates to sustainable use in the Pacific and within Japan's Exclusive Economic Zone. In 2008 the program included a proposal for an annual take of 340 minke whales, 50 Bryde's whales, 100 sei and 10 sperm whales.
Disagreement over the objectives, methodology, effect on stocks and overall success of the program continued in the scientific committee review of the feasibility study and full program. The full program introduced a change from previous use of the ICRW Article VIII research provision by not specifying an end date. The objectives were deemed unnecessary for stock management by some members and would not contribute significantly to previously identified research needs. The sample size and methods proposed were unlikely to satisfy program objectives and the ecosystem modeling was considered to be poorly developed.
Some contended the program placed undue emphasis on assumed negative effects of cetacean predation on fishery resources while failing to address the effects of fisheries on cetaceans. However, others believed determining the effects of cetaceans on fish stocks and more information on minke stock structure to be critically important. Some stated the feasibility study would provide valuable information on methodology and other aspects of the program would improve over time and contribute to fundamental questions. The committee identified that the pollution objective did not contribute to the goals of the IWC Pollution 2000+ project but remained relevant to the IWC for long term study.
Disagreement over the value of data obtained through lethal methods continued as well. Some argued that a wide range of questions could be answered through non-lethal means such as "for pollutant monitoring (biopsy sampling for fatty acid and stable isotope analysis), for stock structure (photo identification, biopsy sampling and faecal sampling), and for feeding ecology (faecal sampling)." Others argued that prey data was required for modeling purposes that could not be acquired through non-lethal means. However, feeding ecology was not necessarily relevant to stock management according to some who argued biopsy sampling would allow for a greater amount of statistical data.
Argument continued over the potential negative effects of catches, such as stock depletion of O-stock and J-stock whales, when the only data on many of the populations came from selective extrapolations of JSV (survey) data. Proponents contended that the JSV data was reliable and the research area extended from coastal areas to offshore areas thus limiting pressure on coastal stocks.
In 2000, 2001 and 2003 more resolutions were passed by the IWC urging Japan to cease issuing special permits for whaling and limit research to non-lethal methods. The most recent Scientific Committee review was conducted in January, 2009.


Seems pretty clear to me that the IWC Commission considers Japanese whaling illegal. And it was my contention all along in this thread that this was the case in respect of the IWC.


Skyryder

[kwaka_crasher]

Seems pretty clear to me that the IWC Commission considers Japanese whaling illegal. And it was my contention all along in this thread that this was the case in respect of the IWC.

It seems pretty clear to me that it says nothing of the sort. Urging someone to stop an activity, calling it unneccessary and making resolutions that are not binding does not make that activity illegal.

BTW where's the link to this on the IWC website or verification that it's entirely their unmodified work, since you claim it's their opinion?

[Skyryder]

It seems pretty clear to me that it says nothing of the sort. Urging someone to stop an activity, calling it unneccessary and making resolutions that are not binding does not make that activity illegal.

BTW where's the link to this on the IWC website or verification that ot's entirely their unmodified work, since you claim it's their opinion?

The IWC has no provision to enforce breaches of it’s resolutions. The lack of a judicial process does not in any way legitimize breaches of any resolution. It simply means there is no mechanism for disputes.


The IWC moratorium is still in place and has not been lifted. Resolutions have been passed by the majority in support of the moratorium in which Japan has refused to accept. No one but the Japanese and their supporters believe that Japan is harvesting whales for scientific purposes. In fact the very opposite is held in that Japan is operting a commercial harvest under the guise of Science Research. The IWC themselves have disputed the Japanese Science. They are in (Japan) fact cheating. And cheating in everyone’s language is against the rules and unlawful within the confines of the organization, corporate body or whatever.

That resolutions can not be forcibly upheld is not the issue. What is at issue and that which is unlawful is that Japan is in breach of the resolutions passed by the IWC in which it hold membership.

Which if you remember is the gist of my post in respect of the IWC and the whaling by Japan.


Skyryder

[Skyryder]

It seems pretty clear to me that it says nothing of the sort. Urging someone to stop an activity, calling it unneccessary and making resolutions that are not binding does not make that activity illegal.

BTW where's the link to this on the IWC website or verification that ot's entirely their unmodified work, since you claim it's their opinion?

The IWC has no provision to enforce breaches of it’s resolutions. The lack of a judicial process does not in any way legitimize breaches of any resolution. It simply means there is no mechanism for disputes.


The IWC moratorium is still in place and has not been lifted. Resolutions have been passed by the majority in support of the moratorium in which Japan has refused to accept. No one but the Japanese and their supporters believe that Japan is harvesting whales for scientific purposes. In fact the very opposite is held in that Japan is operting a commercial harvest under the guise of Science Research. The IWC themselves have disputed the Japanese Science. They are in fact cheating. And cheating in everyone’s language is against the rules and unlawful within the confines of the organization, corporate body or whatever.

That resolutions can not be forcibly upheld is not the issue. What is at issue and that which is unlawful is that Japan is in breach of the resolutions passed by the IWC in which it hold membership.

Which if you remember is the gist of my post in respect of the IWC and the whaling by Japan.


Skyryder

[kwaka_crasher]

The IWC moratorium is still in place and has not been lifted. Resolutions have been passed by the majority in support of the moratorium in which Japan has refused to accept. No one but the Japanese and their supporters believe that Japan is harvesting whales for scientific purposes. In fact the very opposite is held in that Japan is operting a commercial harvest under the guise of Science Research. The IWC themselves have disputed the Japanese Science. They are in (Japan) fact cheating. And cheating in everyone’s language is against the rules and unlawful within the confines of the organization, corporate body or whatever.

That resolutions can not be forcibly upheld is not the issue. What is at issue and that which is unlawful is that Japan is in breach of the resolutions passed by the IWC in which it hold membership.

Which if you remember is the gist of my post in respect of the IWC and the whaling by Japan.

None of which matters because the resolutions are not law so ignoring them is not unlawful.

[Mikkel]

Considering that 12 days have flown past by now, I would have thought that our naval architect would have had ample time to formulate a reasoned reply to this (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/116454-Fail-Sea-Shepherd?p=1129605999#post1129605999) post. It's a rare thing on here when adios really does mean adios. Anyway, Dave, I'd really like to know whether it's option A or option B which reflects reality most precisely!

[avgas]

What I have said is what the Japanese are doing is lawful. And to go about doing unlawful things as Sea Shithead have done in an attempt to stop the Japanese doing something that is entirely lawful is both unlawful AND wrong. How would you like it if in order to stop you motorcycling, motorcycle protesters threw Z-nails on the road as they saw you coming and you were at a distance where you simply couldn't avoid them?

Your scenario is not appropriate because Kiwi are actually endangered (presuming you mean the bird...) and oceans are international - Kiwis are found only here, in our soverign territory. Incidently, I would have no objection to Kiwi being farmed and sold for meat - that will guarantee their survival as opposed to this piecemeal conservation bullshit. But that's an argument for another time...

In what way are the IWC lieing about anything? Membership is entirely voluntary - Japan could just tell them to get fucked and withdraw. Obviously, Japan is looking after it's own interests, but who doesn't? The fact they're willing to be bound by the IWC says a lot.

I'm not sure what you mean here.

Of course it looks after whaling, but not solely the interests of the whaling nations.

What imbalance?
Sorry about the lack of multi-quote here......but if you re-read some of your response hopefully you may see some of my points immediately in regards to your own comments.
Just to clear something up I am not for SS in this situation, fuckers sank a might fine boat and I am not happy about it.

How are what the Japanese doing lawful. You mention sovereignty - but who's is it? The IWC represents whallers and while scandanavian and japanese have whaled for a long period - they did so on a low volume and in their own waters. The rest of the world does not consume whale meat, so who does the IWC really represent? and how can they pass judgement on international waters?
I too do not mind commercial whalling.........but I also believe in boundaries. As far as I am concerned - the US cant steal oil from middle east, the russian cant steal seals from Alaska, China cant steal land from Nepal...........and Japan can only whale in its OWN waters.

The IWC is a crock of shit - it does not represent and international opinion. It has vested interest in Whalers opinions. Clearly there are 2 sides to this issue, so I ask if there are 2 sides to an issue on an international level, in international waters.........should the answer simply be a "reserved" yes in the eyes of the IWC? If the IWC was voluntary - where are the non-whaling nations?
If it doesn't just look after whaling........where does it also have vested interest? ALL of the published papers are to do with where whales are, how many there are, and how many can be killed..........how does this help ANYTHING but whaling?

The IWC has lied about its research, upon review by other non IWC scientists it was found that the information was insufficent for lethal means. Yet the papers were still published. If this was any other sector of science - lets just say they would not be in the industry anymore.

In every other association in the world, certain international strings can not be pulled unless a balance is brought foward. They can not act unless arguments on both sides are evaluated fairly.
The IWC does not follow this ruling. This is international poaching at its best. Except they have blinded you by the simple thought of a japanese scientist rather than an american hunter.
Compare the IWC to APEC, IEEE, IEC, IOC, OECD....... and tell me its just as balanced in board room as these organizations.

[SMOKEU]

Those anti whaling terrorists are just wannabe Al Queda tossers.

[avgas]

Those anti whaling terrorists are just wannabe Al Queda tossers.

hahahaha
What the fuck?!?
You come up with some classic shit bro

[SMOKEU]

hahahaha
What the fuck?!?
You come up with some classic shit bro

I do my best.

[Jonno.]

http://www.xepisodes.com/episodes/1311/Whale-Whores.html

[Pixie]

It seems pretty clear to me that it says nothing of the sort. Urging someone to stop an activity, calling it unneccessary and making resolutions that are not binding does not make that activity illegal.

BTW where's the link to this on the IWC website or verification that ot's entirely their unmodified work, since you claim it's their opinion?

News Flash: the PAHC has just made many of the posts in this thread illegal.Please remove them.

Pixies Anti-HippyCommission

[avgas]

News Flash: the PAHC has just made many of the posts in this thread illegal.Please remove them.

Pixies Anti-HippyCommission

Yeah I hear they are PAHCing so you dont want to mess with them

[golfmade]

http://www.xepisodes.com/episodes/1311/Whale-Whores.html

Thanks for the link, great episode.

[McJim]

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/6804902/ady-gil-skipper-boards-whaling-ship/
Pete Bethune is going to end up in a Japanese Jail Muwahahahahaha! Sea shepherd - pompous arseholes. Their actions are not in my name - let them know they're not in yours either. Without public support these terrorists will run out of money.

[CookMySock]

Fark thats a good stunt though.

Steve

[kwaka_crasher]

Looks like Buffoon might just get a free ride to Japan and a stay at the pleasure of Emperor Akihito.

I hope Buffoon brings his wife a souvenir when he gets back... in 2035! :killingme

[Brian d marge]

Japanese prisons are not the nicest of places , try the army on steriods , room bed , blanket , bowl of rice , one toe out of line ,,oh dear

No sky TV and no visitors

Stephen

mind you the drunk tanks are ok

[kwaka_crasher]

Japanese prisons are not the nicest of places , try the army on steriods , room bed , blanket , bowl of rice , one toe out of line ,,oh dear

No sky TV and no visitors

Stephen

mind you the drunk tanks are ok

I was reading this (http://www.phaseloop.com/foreignprisoners/exp-japan01.html) a few months back. He'll be looking even more gaunt than usual when released...

[LBD]

Japanese prisons are not the nicest of places , try the army on steriods , room bed , blanket , bowl of rice , one toe out of line ,,oh dear

No sky TV and no visitors

Stephen

mind you the drunk tanks are ok

sound like to sort of place you get sent as punishment, could do with some of those in NZ

[kwaka_crasher]

sound like to sort of place you get sent as punishment, could do with some of those in NZ

Don't be silly. Then our criminals won't want to go back! :whistle:

[mstriumph]

.............

Much of New Zealand's history is based on whaling - why have we now become so socially conditioned against it? The are mammals - yet so are pigs, sheep and cattle. They are near the top of their food chain in the ocean yet so are sharks, squid and tuna. I cannot see the harm with quota based, controlled harvesting..........................

I could use the same argument for using people as a food source?

- ie mammals yada yada food chain yada yada ............... and this would also have a strong precedent in New Zealand's history :yes:

(and my own - i'm of celtic descent, among others)

mmmmmm anyone fancy japanese sushi made with REAL japanese? :shifty:

[puddytat]

Jezz you fellas are dicks....what if some Nip rammed youre car? Then you rock up to give them the bill & hey presto youre off to Nipville? You make me even more disheartened bout the state of the New Zealnnd psyche.
Grow some pride & say fuck ya you arrogant shits.Stand up for the little fellas who are trying to stop an arrogant nation that has been for far to long dictating to countries like ours.
Nah, youll sell ya souls & youre country for a few lousy $$$ or yen.

[Pixie]

Jezz you fellas are dicks....what if some Nip rammed youre car? Then you rock up to give them the bill & hey presto youre off to Nipville? You make me even more disheartened bout the state of the New Zealnnd psyche.
Grow some pride & say fuck ya you arrogant shits.Stand up for the little fellas who are trying to stop an arrogant nation that has been for far to long dictating to countries like ours.
Nah, youll sell ya souls & youre country for a few lousy $$$ or yen.

Yeah stand up for the little guys.
even if they are fuckwits,criminals and wrong

[kwaka_crasher]

Grow some pride & say fuck ya you arrogant shits.

I've been doing that the whole time. Fuck Sea Shithead and all the twits that support them in their illegal activities. Their arrogance is astounding.

[puddytat]

:laugh::lol::p:nya::motu:

[kwaka_crasher]

:laugh::lol::p:nya::motu:

Compelling counter-argument.

[caseye]

Best I've seen in a long time here on KB.
The sea shepherd and it's crew were in the wrong the firs time and this time.
I hope he gets feed( whale meat would be fiting) and is returned to us unharmed except for an insatiable craving for seafood@#$%!

[McJim]

Jezz you fellas are dicks....what if some Nip rammed youre car? Then you rock up to give them the bill & hey presto youre off to Nipville? You make me even more disheartened bout the state of the New Zealnnd psyche.
Grow some pride & say fuck ya you arrogant shits.Stand up for the little fellas who are trying to stop an arrogant nation that has been for far to long dictating to countries like ours.
Nah, youll sell ya souls & youre country for a few lousy $$$ or yen.

Sea Shithead rammed the nips - you can see the huge wake as Pete "Break and enter" Bethune guns his not inconsiderably powerful engines to ENSURE he puts his 5 crew members at risk of death. Then he breaks and enters private property. Do you really think the Scottish government would support me if I broke into his missus' house? Nah, neither do I. Hope he learns his lesson over the naxt 3 year in a Japanese jail taking bubba sushi up the proverbial. No more than he deserves for trying to kill his own crew.

The man is a twat.

On the other hand - Sea shithead have rammed, sunk and damaged vessels. I've yet to hear of him manning up to take the jail time and paying for the destruction of boats. What goes around comes around and if they can't take their own medicine without bleating like twelve year old girls then they should butt out.

Domestic demand had actually dropped for whalemeat before Sea Shithead got back in the fray - I suspect they are really in the employ of the Japanese whale meat marketing board. Not only has demand shot up but the price it commands per kilo is at an all time record ensuring the death of more whales in the future. Way to go Sea Shithead, you are directly responsible for the death of more whales. Well done.

[Hinny]

Sea Shithead rammed the nips - you can see the huge wake as Pete "Break and enter" Bethune guns his not inconsiderably powerful engines to ENSURE he puts his 5 crew members at risk of death.

This statement is clearly wrong.
That your persistent belligerence blinds you to reality is, for me, eye opening.
I would suggest you look at the video again.

As for the legality of what the Japanese are doing the report of a restaurant in Santa Monica being busted for serving whale meat is indicative of the US position on the question. The chef faces charges under the Marine Mammals Protection Act with penalties of up to $200,000 and a year in jail.

The makers of the documentary which uncovered the trade were fresh from winning an Oscar for their film of the slaughter of dolphins by Japanese fishermen.
One said it had been more exciting busting the restaurant than winning the Oscar.

It could be that Sea Shepherd members get a similar rush performing their Marine Mammal Protection activities.

[Hinny]

Another comment on the legality of Japanese whaling.

4:00 AM Sunday Mar 7, 2010 MELBOURNE:
' Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has reiterated his Government's stance of prosecuting Japanese whalers in an international court if they continue their annual cull'

"Either the Government of Japan agrees to reduce its current catch from where it is to zero, in a reasonable time, or the Australian Government will prosecute this matter in the international court of justice and we would initiate that action prior to the next whaling season," he said.

The IWC adopted a moratorium on whaling in 1982 when many whale species were facing extinction.

Japan uses a provision in the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling which allows whales to be killed for scientific research

[McJim]

A4:00 AM Sunday Mar 7, 2010 MELBOURNE:
' Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has reiterated his Government's stance of prosecuting Japanese whalers in an international court if they continue their annual cull'

"Either the Government of Japan agrees to reduce its current catch from where it is to zero, in a reasonable time, or the Australian Government will prosecute this matter in the international court of justice and we would initiate that action prior to the next whaling season," he said.

Yet more proof that it is impossible to create a nation just out of convicts and Irishmen.

[Hinny]

You are denigrating your Celtic brotherhood there Brother.

[Kickaha]

Yet more proof that it is impossible to create a nation just out of convicts and Irishmen.



Australia's first European settlement began in 1788. The 11 ships of the First Fleet landed their cargo of around 780 British convicts and their gaolers at Botany Bay in New South Wales. Eighty years later, when the final shipment of convicts disembarked in Western Australia, the total number of transported convicts had risen to around 162,000 men and women.

About 70% were English, 5% Scottish and 25% Irish,

Scottish Convicts.
There were 8,207 Scottish convicts among nearly 150,000 transported to Australia. Interesting enough only 4.8 per cent of male convicts were Scottish, and 9.3 per cent were female. A relatively large number of Scottish convicts were transported for larceny (burglary and break and entering) committed in or around Glasgow and Edinburgh.

[JimO]

yea those scottsmen are a pack of cunts

[McJim]

Official adjudication - both at fault.....go figure.:facepalm:

[imdying]

No surprise, they were both being dicks, the only difference is that the Ady Gill started it. Bit like little kids really.

[Laava]

Japan uses a provision in the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling which allows whales to be killed for scientific research

Wonder what the findings are of their research?
99.9% of japanese like whale meat. Om nom nom!

[Hinny]

.... the only difference is that the Ady Gill started it. .

I suppose you also have the answer to the question 'Which came first, the chicken or the egg?'

[JimO]

I suppose you also have the answer to the question 'Which came first, the chicken or the egg?'

well if the egg hadnt been there the chicken wouldnt have run over the top of it

[Hinny]

well if the egg hadnt been there the chicken wouldnt have run over the top of it
I thought the egg head on the Jap boat was playing chicken and didn't swerve away fast enough and ran that awesome boat over.
Million bucks down the drain.
Get the good lawyers eh! and you can get away with anything. A bit like when the Aussies chased the Jappers out of the tooth fishery in Antarctica and most and the way to South Africa ...and the bastards got off. Had the better lawyers.
Probably should have fired a warning shot through their engine room. That would have stopped them.

[JimO]

I thought the egg head on the Jap boat was playing chicken and didn't swerve away fast enough and ran that awesome boat over.
Million bucks down the drain.
Get the good lawyers eh! and you can get away with anything. A bit like when the Aussies chased the Jappers out of the tooth fishery in Antarctica and most and the way to South Africa ...and the bastards got off. Had the better lawyers.
Probably should have fired a warning shot through their engine room. That would have stopped them.

im with the japs on this one, the only egg was the one driving the Ady Gill

[jonbuoy]

I thought the egg head on the Jap boat was playing chicken and didn't swerve away fast enough and ran that awesome boat over.
Million bucks down the drain.
Get the good lawyers eh! and you can get away with anything. A bit like when the Aussies chased the Jappers out of the tooth fishery in Antarctica and most and the way to South Africa ...and the bastards got off. Had the better lawyers.
Probably should have fired a warning shot through their engine room. That would have stopped them.

Ships can't "swerve", small fast boats can swerve.

[Hinny]

Ships can't "swerve", small fast boats can swerve.

As the video footage clearly shows Japanese whalers can indeed swerve. Had that boat not been so maneuverable they would not have collected the Ady Gil.
Perhaps you should view the video footage again.
I have been amased by the comments in this thread that display how different various people's reality can be.
The reality that people often determine their own 'reality' irrespective of available evidence.

[tri boy]

As I mentioned earlier, poor seamanship is the main fault.
Glad to see that was the outcome.
There will be hundreds of more examples over this summer in NZ waters.
The Gill is gone, the whales are still around. The Japanese will eat.
What a waste of a fine vessel.
Bethume should dive under the water thrice, and come up for air twice.
This thread is as dead as the bleeding carcass of an experimental whale on the deck.
Let it go,(the thread, not the whale, I still want to taste some)

[Littleman]

As the video footage clearly shows Japanese whalers can indeed swerve. Had that boat not been so maneuverable they would not have collected the Ady Gil.
Perhaps you should view the video footage again.
I have been amased by the comments in this thread that display how different various people's reality can be.
The reality that people often determine their own 'reality' irrespective of available evidence.

I find imense irony in your comments Hinny.

[Hinny]

I find imense irony in your comments Hinny.

Now isn't that ironic?

[jonbuoy]

As the video footage clearly shows Japanese whalers can indeed swerve. Had that boat not been so maneuverable they would not have collected the Ady Gil.
Perhaps you should view the video footage again.
I have been amased by the comments in this thread that display how different various people's reality can be.
The reality that people often determine their own 'reality' irrespective of available evidence.

Been on many ships?

[Brian d marge]

Let it go,(the thread, not the whale, I still want to taste some)

its nice

2 weeks ago i went to Taiji , ( dolphin killers ) and ate whale in the souvenir shop.. nice it was to !!!

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[Max Preload]

Read the full report here (http://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/AdyGil/Investigation-report-Ady-Gil-Shonan-Maru-Lo-rez.pdf).

I particularly like the bit on Page 13 of the PDF (Page 4 of the report) where the Bob Barker cocksmokers hiffed the SIMRADs overboard. Anyone who believes anything these wankers say is a fuckwit.

[Pussy]

Pete Bethune is a FAIL

And a wanker of the first order

[Hinny]

Pete Bethune is a FAIL

And a wanker of the first order

Get your hand off it!

[JimO]

Get your hand off it!

why ?? to make room for your hand