Road not track people

[Quasievil]

Okay in the last three weeks I have been on two group rides.

Group ride #1, One Dead
Group ride #2, One broken shoulder

I just went out for a run, and coming into town was a tow truck with a ZXR lying on its side (obviously crashed) I tied it into the rescue chopper flying in from the coro direction a short time before.

I get home from my run log onto the puter, reports of two?? fatalities involving bikes

WTF?????

settle the fuck down people it aint a track it isnt your road exclusively.

Rant over

[sidecar bob]

I fully agree.
To put it in perspective, we lose aprox one sidecar competitor every ten years while racing.
It would take twenty years of sidecar racing in NZ to claim the number of lives the road did today.
And people say we are the crazy ones.

[oldguy]

well said mate I agree,

[Motu]

Okay in the last three weeks I have been on two group rides.


There's your problem right there.

[sidecar bob]

Group rides suck arse, people seem very slow to figure that out.

[sunhuntin]

group rides suck. its a wonder that none of the ones ive gone on have had an accident or worse.

i think it must be something to do with nz roads. when i was in canada, i met over 100 riders in the same club, and lived with one of the members. its been 4 years since ive seen any of them and in that time only 1 of their guys has died on his bike [and it was his own fault, either drunk or drugged. very dangerous guy who was credited with causing a couple of accidents. i wasnt sad to hear of his death.] 2 or 3 have died through suicide or just plain old age/ill health. the club is ontario based, and their roads are very similar to the south island, just wider and better quality/condition.
i wish i knew the answer.

[White trash]

It's well documented on these very forums I've been more guilty than most of riding like a true arsehole on the roads. Watching mate after mate being buried woke me up to the fact and frankly, I don't miss the road riding. Especially the group ones.

I think the real question that needs to be asked, however, is how much weight have you lost Quasi' ya fat cunt?

[McJim]

I've always been appalled at some of the speeds people feel they need to travel at. I've also said this many times. Every summer more mothers lose their children, children lose their fathers and people lose their partners. Get yer cock out at a track day and just enjoy the ride on the road. (watch out for gravel, cattle, sheep diesel and campervans)

[FROSTY]

quasi --mate every year its the same. Whats sad is that in the 30 years I've been riding this is one thing that hasn't changed 1iota.
I've now got me a wobbly old bike that might do 160k with the wind firmly up its arse.

[Quasievil]

There's your problem right there.

Absolutely youre right on, I could clarify by saying that I met up with two group rides, I tend to avoid them these days for obvious reasons.

[CookMySock]

Whats sad is that in the 30 years I've been riding this is one thing that hasn't changed 1iota.It's not gunna either.

Kiwi blokes are well known for their can do anything attitude, so they do. And discover they can't.


Steve

[MotoKuzzi]

Group rides are great. At my age I'm enjoying riding and socialising with other like minded people. But it does require disciplined riding by everyone. I've learned a lot on group rides and also made the odd error of judgement, I most probably wouldn't have made riding by myself.

[Foxzee]

Excellent rant Quasi...hopefully it sinks in to some.......

[Taz]

There is a difference between a group ride and a group race. Sadly most group rides (esp KB rides turn into a race). I dislike group rides, unless i'm winning :lol:

[Ixion]

I never had any problems with group rides.

[McJim]

I never had any problems with group rides.

That's only coz your spidey sense told you which rides to avoid. Some people lack your foresight, insight, experience and, lets face it, your common sense. I hope one day to be as venerable as you O wise one.

[Tink]

Went on the Kaiaua loop today with 3 others, and I enjoyed it, my first time, and I think the other riders were very considerate of my lack of speed, and I can only say I have self preservation, even tho the adrenaline kicks in, and I want to go faster, my bike can't .... stay safe!

[MotoKuzzi]

There is a difference between a group ride and a group race. Sadly most group rides (esp KB rides turn into a race). I dislike group rides, unless i'm winning :lol:

Most bins wins?:lol:

[McJim]

Went on the Kaiaua loop today with 3 others, and I enjoyed it, my first time, and I think the other riders were very considerate of my lack of speed, and I can only say I have self preservation, even tho the adrenaline kicks in, and I want to go faster, my bike can't .... stay safe!

Keeping a bike that is "underpowered" is actually a good move. I won't move up from my 600 twin coz stupidity would kick in and I would do something stupid with the throttle.

[MotoKuzzi]

Keeping a bike that is "underpowered" is actually a good move. I won't move up from my 600 twin coz stupidity would kick in and I would do something stupid with the throttle.

You're onto something there. I 've been contemplating getting a 250 just for pootling, although some would say the Cali is in it's element there.

[Tink]

Yes well tis only a 250cc, I would prefer something that didn't rattle at 100km but have only done 3000km so far since September 09. I would like to move up to a 400 or 650cc next summer, but I know I will still pootle... don't have it in me to speed. And I will happily move over for quicker bikes, mind you the dude that undertook 3 of us today (later on)... on a Scorpian needs to include his brains in his bike gear.

[Motu]

We also need to know which ''road riders'' you are pointing the finger at.Have you ever been on an ADV gravel road ride? Or a Blast From the Past ride? There are very few incidents for both groups.The ADV riders are much more aware of their surroundings and road conditions,and the riders are capable of handling their bikes if problems arise. The BFTP riders know the capabilities of their bikes and seldom push beyond the bikes or their own limits.

This leaves who?

[scumdog]

I never had any problems with group rides.

Likewise with me.

Only had one group ride where idiots attended (Last years Garstonian)

[sidecar bob]

We also need to know which ''road riders'' you are pointing the finger at.Have you ever been on an ADV gravel road ride? Or a Blast From the Past ride? There are very few incidents for both groups.The ADV riders are much more aware of their surroundings and road conditions,and the riders are capable of handling their bikes if problems arise. The BFTP riders know the capabilities of their bikes and seldom push beyond the bikes or their own limits.

This leaves who?
And having said that, a Guzzi hit a boat trailer on a BFTP ride & as as i recall a nice chap called Scott passed away on an adventure ride.

[Kickaha]

And having said that, a Guzzi hit a boat trailer on a BFTP ride

I thought the boat came off the trailer and collected a stationary rider?

[sunhuntin]

Went on the Kaiaua loop today with 3 others, and I enjoyed it, my first time, and I think the other riders were very considerate of my lack of speed, and I can only say I have self preservation, even tho the adrenaline kicks in, and I want to go faster, my bike can't .... stay safe!

im the same. even when i get my full, i think i will keep the 250. i love the fact that i cant go much over the speed limit. i did own nasty's 500 virago for a while and loved the little bit of extra go power when overtaking. i would consider owning one again. but i think that no matter what i am riding, i would still go with the slow group just for that comfort factor. i enjoyed the bikoi immensely just cos i was surrounded by riders of a similar speed and skill level. every other ride ive done, ive been basically the only 250 and have been surrounded by guys with the throttle in one hand and their cock in the other.

i ran into a guy that used to have a harley a few weeks back. asked him if he still rode and he said he gave up and claimed he was lucky to have lived as long as he did [hes a loop and thinks the road is a race track. total nutter] so i said, well, thats when you get a smaller cc bike and he just acted like it was the dumbest idea ever. better a small bike than never riding again. still i guess least he had the sense to give it up entirely.

[kiwifruit]

I just went out for a run

Good run?
Keen to do the Hamiltron half marathon in October?

[sidecar bob]

I thought the boat came off the trailer and collected a stationary rider?

Yeah, that may have been the case.

[Tink]

lol Yes I would like to keep mine, I would like a cruiser and a sports bike... but the wallet is saying something else. They stopped making 500 Virago's, that would have been my next step up maybe for a cruiser.... as to the harley rider, seems a shame he can't enjoy himself without being a idiot... :)

[slowpoke]

Group rides suck arse, people seem very slow to figure that out.

Yep, I've done a grand total of one and even that I fucked off out of it as soon as I could. Never again.

[Katman]

If shit were brains we'd be fucking geniuses.

[oldguy]

South Auckland Thursday Night Rides or (SATNR) is about the only group ride I do, with it starting to become popular and more people coming along, has raised the problem of new riders who are not so skill full or don't know the roads or both, trying to keep up with the regular SATNR faster riders, witch could lead to a possiblity of a disaster.
We do try to help minimize any risk by encouraging people to ride within there own ability, but in the end the ownness is on the rider. ot I only ride selected weekend rides, but mostly ride alone these days.

[Fatt Max]

Well said mate

[boomer]

We also need to know which ''road riders'' you are pointing the finger at.Have you ever been on an ADV gravel road ride? Or a Blast From the Past ride? There are very few incidents for both groups.The ADV riders are much more aware of their surroundings and road conditions,and the riders are capable of handling their bikes if problems arise. The BFTP riders know the capabilities of their bikes and seldom push beyond the bikes or their own limits.

This leaves who?


I think i'm gonna be sick, do you really believe this shit you just spat out...?!

[boomer]

good to see u had a good 'en Brett & Sudeep.. glad u came home all together!

[Motu]

I think i'm gonna be sick,!

Please do - post it on you tube so we can watch.

[pritch]

I'm wary of group rides. I've been on quite a few of a wide range of sizes. I learned early on to go at my own speed.

What bothers me is that I normally ride so as to keep space around me, in big group rides there seem to be plenty people who aren't worried about the space they have around them. And they're only too happy to use mine as well.

I had big reservations about the local Christmas Toy Run but was pleasantly surprised. On other, equally charitable runs, I'm doing my bun inside my helmet because of the behaviour of other riders. I will avoid those runs in future.

Largely because of the Internet, group rides involving relative strangers are a new phenomenon. The number of accidents arising from them has been noted by those who are concerned with such statistics. Magazines have been publishing items on how to minimise the risk of group rides. Sadly too few riders seem to have read the articles.

[Paul in NZ]

Group rides suck arse, people seem very slow to figure that out.

Not always - group rides dont always suck but they tend to suck in arseholes... Often into being bigger arseholes but then we had a simply wonderful ride the other day... Small group, brill fun, wonderful folks, no drama completely arsehole free...

[Voltaire]

Yeah, that may have been the case.

The ute towing the trailer whilst trying to avoid the first Guzzi rider who was lying on the road, crossed up and hit the stationary second Guzzi who had stopped to assist. The driver...I mean cager... did well under the circumstances....
BFTP runs....you don't want to go on those....old bikes .....pffft....

[PrincessBandit]

South Auckland Thursday Night Rides or (SATNR) is about the only group ride I do, with it starting to become popular and more people coming along, has raised the problem of new riders who are not so skill full or don't know the roads or both, trying to keep up with the regular SATNR faster riders, witch could lead to a possiblity of a disaster.


I agree - I have only done one SATNR and, as a newish rider, riding at my own pace meant that the poor ole TEC (sorry Mark!) had to hang right back. For me the combination of offs, unfamiliar roads and atrocious sun strike meant there was no way I was going to outride my ability. The upshot of it was that although I enjoyed the company I will not be doing another one until my riding skills improve considerably.

[Fluffy Cat]

Keeping a bike that is "underpowered" is actually a good move. I won't move up from my 600 twin coz stupidity would kick in and I would do something stupid with the throttle.

I agree completely that's why I got my SP1 didn't want a high powered superbike???:devil2::devil2::devil2:

[Grumpy]

I think the problem is more the group you might be riding with as apposed to the concept of group riding. I'm very fortunate to have a good bunch to ride with around here so the rides are generally good ones.

[AD345]

So what defines a group ride?

is it the number of bikes?

if so, how many?

Is it how well (or not) they know each other?

Is a club ride (for those that go on them) a group ride?



Enquiring minds want to know

[Marmoot]

Group ride #2, One broken shoulder

Just to clarify, that guy wasn't exactly part of the group.

Edit: Very good to see you today Bret. You do look like you-know-who. :)

[Mully]

Meh, I'll only ride with people I trust not to be complete dickheads. And I leave my competitive streak at home.

It's all about knowing your (and your bike's) limits and riding within them.

[Lucy]

I never had any problems with group rides.

Easy Tiger....

[Mrs Cowboyz]

Dont know what the hell kind of group rides you have been on but in the four years I have been on the back of the bike I have been on group rides that have been held every friday night over summer and a few in between, we have only had two or three bins and they have been new people on the ride trying to prove themselves.
As someone said earlier any ride is fine as long as you know your limits and keep your ego at home!

[BiK3RChiK]

I've been on group rides where I've only just met the people I'm riding with. And then I've been on group rides where I know the people I'm riding with....

Makes a difference, IMO. The psychology of the rides were completely different. With people I don't know, I felt like I have to keep up, but with my mates we all look out for each other. Very strange that...

Now I either ride by myself or with people I know.

[Nonbeliever]

I only ride with a handfull of mates that are trustworthy and are of a similar pace to me.
the bike society is full of losers and tryhards that will get hurt if they run with us.

[boomer]

the bike society is full of losers and tryhards that will get hurt if they run with us.

Am i reading this correctly....!


fark some people know how to blow smoke up there own arses..

[scumdog]

Am i reading this correctly....!


fark some people know how to blow smoke up there own arses..

Learned from you I suspect!:lol::killingme:whistle:

[davebullet]

I've only been on a few rides and had to fight the racing mentality. It's not about beating others, it's thinking "if he can ride that fast, so can I". What you find is you don't end up enjoying the ride as much, the more you push it.

I think newer riders need more than a TEC. They need some sort of pace setter. Get them riding slower than their comfortable pace and get them used to riding in a group first (learn that skill). It's not really a group ride if everyone is off blasting at their own pace anyway.

[YellowDog]

group rides suck. its a wonder that none of the ones ive gone on have had an accident or worse.

i think it must be something to do with nz roads. when i was in canada, i met over 100 riders in the same club, and lived with one of the members. its been 4 years since ive seen any of them and in that time only 1 of their guys has died on his bike [and it was his own fault, either drunk or drugged. very dangerous guy who was credited with causing a couple of accidents. i wasnt sad to hear of his death.] 2 or 3 have died through suicide or just plain old age/ill health. the club is ontario based, and their roads are very similar to the south island, just wider and better quality/condition.
i wish i knew the answer.

I have been on group rides in Europe and also in the USA. Both have been very well organised and managed. There is an expected level of discipline and those who don't conform (within reason) are kicked off.

I have only been on one NZ group ride down to Piha almost 3 years ago. I was suprised that noone came off. Too many wanting to show off their bikes's capabilities and how great they thought they were. Watching idiots overtaking slow riders on tight bends and cutting in before sharp braking is not my of a group ride.

I would suggest the reason that organised events don't have so many accidents is because they are orgamised and managed with rules and regulations.

[oldguy]

we all started out at one stage as newbies in a group ride, be it new to riding, or be it just riding with a new group its still the same.
normally the first few K's you get an idea of how the ride is going to go, this is where you have to make up your mined, if it is a fast pace, ( not talking ilegal speed )do you try keep up when your not comfortable, and if you are a fast rider do you show those that are at the front how fast and how good a rider you are.
Unfortunately its what some of us do to try fit in, as the ad. on tv goes ITs NOT OK to see someone ride out side there comfort zone and not say anything, don't wait and say ill flame them on KB tonight when I get home, because you maybe posting a different post
if that rider does not make it home.

[oldguy]

For me the combination of offs, unfamiliar roads and atrocious sun strike meant there was no way I was going to outride my ability. The upshot of it was that although I enjoyed the company I will not be doing another one until my riding skills improve considerably.

You have got the skills, in that there sentence, hope to see you sometime.

[pritch]

It's not really a group ride if everyone is off blasting at their own pace anyway.

Not sure about that, we used to have a few of those here and I enjoyed them. The fast guys go first so they don't have to pass anyone, and everybody goes ther own speed. There were usually nominated points where all and sundry regrouped.

Ulysses group rides have a simple set of rules. The speed may vary from branch to branch but generally the format is the same. To the best of my knowledge these have a good safety record. Certainly the local ones do.

Some of the local bike shops organise runs and these, while generally good, can get a bit loose. I haven't seen too many dramas, nor have I been hearing too many bad things. There was one ride that turned into something of a horror story though with maybe four bikes being written off or badly damaged? I wasn't there and, perhaps unsurprisingly, haven't been tempted since.

[2_SL0]

Just to clarify, that guy wasn't exactly part of the group.

Edit: Very good to see you today Bret. You do look like you-know-who. :)

Marmoot is correct,

The gentleman in question is not a KB member, he is an extremely experienced rider and was quite frankly caught out by the following:
Was trying to push out wide to see more clearly thru the corner, unfortunately he lost concentration for a moment got caught out on the loose gravel and went down. He is a new rider to NZ and most likely not use to the fact that the sides of the roads are covered in gravel. I know for a fact he wasnt going particularily fast as he was behind me and was easing off more than I was going into corners. (lol)
It is unfortunate but these sort of accidents do happen, he wasnt being a dick, just made a mistake, one I am sure everyone here has made, but may of got away with, he didn't. I blame the fact he was on a Honda as the reason ;-)

[Kornholio]

I think i'm gonna be sick, do you really believe this shit you just spat out...?!

AMAC(©Kornholio industries) rearing its ugly head again eh Boomhauer :p

[boomer]

AMAC(©Kornholio industries) rearing its ugly head again eh Boomhauer :p

I think he's a prime contender...

[hayd3n]

yea there were a couiple if idiots there

[hayd3n]

Not sure about that, we used to have a few of those here and I enjoyed them. The fast guys go first so they don't have to pass anyone, and everybody goes ther own speed. There were usually nominated points where all and sundry regrouped.

Ulysses group rides have a simple set of rules. The speed may vary from branch to branch but generally the format is the same. To the best of my knowledge these have a good safety record. Certainly the local ones do.

Some of the local bike shops organise runs and these, while generally good, can get a bit loose. I haven't seen too many dramas, nor have I been hearing too many bad things. There was one ride that turned into something of a horror story though with maybe four bikes being written off or badly damaged? I wasn't there and, perhaps unsurprisingly, haven't been tempted since.

yeah the bike shops do that to make some money
(dont worry m8 well pick your bike up and sort it out for ya)

[martybabe]

everybody goes their own speed. There were usually nominated points where all and sundry regrouped.

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Nail on the head there Pritch. I've been on scores of group rides over the years, the best one by far was a group of local lads that all did there own comfortable pace, meeting up every few miles negates the desperate desire some riders feel to keep up and or impress. We had some really slow riders but nobody minded waiting for them, a chance to have a smoko and chat, really well done and enjoyable for all involved.

On the flip side, I went riding with a bunch of Harley riders (not knocking the bikes or Harley riders in general, I've owned some and will own some more) If ever there was a bike designed to enjoy the road without the need to prove how big your gonads are, it's a Harley. However, there was clearly something these fellas had to prove. I've never seen so much recklessness and stupidity on one ride, the premise seemed to be, ride as fast as ever the bike will go, overtake anywhere and everywhere regardless of risk, wait for no one and fuck everyone. Bloody lunacy, I'm proud to say I never rode with them again, not even the return journey, I split off with another fella and had a great ride back.

I don't get it, it's not a contest, does some one secretly hand out medals for the fastest/stupidest/luckiest rider in the group, I can honestly say I've never gone home and thought, fack me so and so is a brilliant rider, he'd ordered his coffee before I even arrived. Big deal big ego big yawn, everyone knows the only real test of manliness is who can have sex in the least amount of time and I am unbeatable that regard :shifty:

[DEATH_INC.]

Shit, this is about the third reply I've typed....
I don't think the group rides are necessarily to blame. Some ride badly and have accidents anyway. None of the accidents I've witnessed (a few...) have been due to riders trying to keep up. Most are just MISTAKES that they make. Most of them walk away, some don't unfortunately. People do the same thing in cars too.
The problem as I see it (this time of the year especially) is the volumes of traffic on the road. Chances of hitting something is a lot greater now. Whether you're with a group or not.
Take extra care 'till after the summer madness.

[Katman]

Take extra care 'till after the summer madness.

Why would you take less care after the summer madness?

:scratch:

[Grumpy]

Mmm, perhaps there's a simple answer. Before the ride leaves everyone drops there their daks and we can have some poor bugga get the tape measure out. Once it's been established who has the biggest cock perhaps everyone can just get to the business of enjoying their ride without the silly shit.

Although this might have to be restricted to summer rides only so you don't have to allow for shrinkage. That will eliminate any excuses.

[Mrs Cowboyz]

Mmm, perhaps there's a simple answer. Before the ride leaves everyone drops there their daks and we can have some poor bugga get the tape measure out. Once it's been established who has the biggest cock perhaps everyone can just get to the business of enjoying their ride without the silly shit.

Although this might have to be restricted to summer rides only so you don't have to allow for shrinkage. That will eliminate any excuses.

haha...you putting your hand up?

couldnt agree with you more here!!

[Grumpy]

haha...you putting your hand up?

couldnt agree with you more here!!

Ah, bugger. Seem to have lost my tape ........

[Trudes]

Mmm, perhaps there's a simple answer. Before the ride leaves everyone drops there their daks and we can have some poor bugga get the tape measure out. Once it's been established who has the biggest cock perhaps everyone can just get to the business of enjoying their ride without the silly shit.

Although this might have to be restricted to summer rides only so you don't have to allow for shrinkage. That will eliminate any excuses.
So what do us chicks do? Compare cup size?

[Grumpy]

So what do us chicks do? Compare cup size?

Seriously though, that idea does have some merit.

[scumdog]

So what do us chicks do? Compare cup size?

Why, what else could we compare??:shifty::whistle:

[Trudes]

How big is your carb??:lol:

[sosman]

Mmm, perhaps there's a simple answer. Before the ride leaves everyone drops there their daks and we can have some poor bugga get the tape measure out. Once it's been established who has the biggest cock perhaps everyone can just get to the business of enjoying their ride without the silly shit.

Although this might have to be restricted to summer rides only so you don't have to allow for shrinkage. That will eliminate any excuses.

Thats right! biggest cocks wins(slow as fuck).....cause the one with the biggest balls pisses off into the distant..... lol

[sunhuntin]

I have been on group rides in Europe and also in the USA. Both have been very well organised and managed. There is an expected level of discipline and those who don't conform (within reason) are kicked off.

I have only been on one NZ group ride down to Piha almost 3 years ago. I was suprised that noone came off. Too many wanting to show off their bikes's capabilities and how great they thought they were. Watching idiots overtaking slow riders on tight bends and cutting in before sharp braking is not my of a group ride.

I would suggest the reason that organised events don't have so many accidents is because they are orgamised and managed with rules and regulations.

i never went on any group rides with them unfortunately... it was heading into winter, and it was one of the last rallies where i met the club and my first partner. they had all sorts of "games", like slow riding etc. the best [and only one i took part in] was a large tractor tyre with a fat arse piece of rope. had to grab the tyre and tie the rope to the back of the harley. harley then took off and towed you to the end of the field. was great fun! i ended up with grass and dirt all down my back. if i recall, one guy came off on a slow ride and busted his ankle. that was the only injury other than sun burn.

pritch... the only group ride ive been on that resulted in an off was a ulysses dummy run. guy had just got back into bikes and went and bought the biggest bike he could find. i was at the back, of course, and came to the top a gentle but blind rise, and he was sitting in the ditch with his bike on the other side of the road facing the way he had come. i have no idea how he managed that.

[McJim]

Thats right! biggest cocks wins(slow as fuck).....cause the one with the biggest balls pisses off into the distant..... lol

Nothing to do with larger balls mate - I'm always the slowest coz I've got the biggest cock and therefore nothing to prove :2thumbsup

[PrincessBandit]

Nothing to do with larger balls mate - I'm always the slowest coz I've got the biggest cock and therefore nothing to prove :2thumbsup

So it's not because it's so heavy that it weighed the bike down like an anchor......

[Marmoot]

Glad we don't have this problem with Fight Club rides.

For us, the ride is all about showing our nice riding gears to the public (awards normally go to the most-cared-for leather suits), Shine'n'Show of the bikes, slow speed handling (normally done in the carpark), and the usual meeting to discuss the implementation of the annual agenda items agreed upon at the beginning of every year.
Every few weeks we would extend our ride with a workshop session on leather care and helmet polishing techniques (forgive the pun).

[PirateJafa]

Glad we don't have this problem with Fight Club rides.

For us, the ride is all about showing our nice riding gears to the public (awards normally go to the most-cared-for leather suits), Shine'n'Show of the bikes, slow speed handling (normally done in the carpark), and the usual meeting to discuss the implementation of the annual agenda items agreed upon at the beginning of every year.
Every few weeks we would extend our ride with a workshop session on leather care and helmet polishing techniques (forgive the pun).

You sound like a bunch of pussies. And that's no wonder, if you're slow enough that even Raj can keep up.

[Marmoot]

You sound like a bunch of pussies.

Let me clarify: there are no pussies in Fight Club. And we're not interested in any either.
In Fight Club, you'll never be a pussy.

[PirateJafa]

Let me clarify: there are no pussies in Fight Club. And we're not interested in any either.

And by the sounds of it, you'll never get any either. :niceone:

[Ixion]

Let me clarify: there are no pussies in Fight Club. And we're not interested in any either.
.
Not interested in pussy? Ah, well, I *had* heard rumours to that effect. More with thyselves content , eh .

[Lurch]

Why would you take less care after the summer madness?

:scratch:
I wonder if we could get the stats as to how many people have you on ignore Katman? Just curious.

[Marmoot]

In Fight Club, you'll never be a pussy.

I wish people would concentrate more on the key message...

[insomnia01]

I tend to avoid them these days for obvious reasons.

Waikato Laxed Out Rides ARE JUST THAT ...... LAXED OUT !!!

[Katman]

I wonder if we could get the stats as to how many people have you on ignore Katman? Just curious.

22 - the last time I checked.

I only need about 6 more to displace Skidmark from the number 1 spot.

:second: for the moment........(but I'm working on it).

[avgas]

There's your problem right there.

Completely agree there.......chances of death increase with size of group. The thrill of the chase and all that.

[davebullet]

How big is your carb??:lol:

I think Grumpy was talking about how big is your "fuel injector"

[Quasievil]

I would hazard a guess that one of you or another member of this forum will be dead in the next few months due to road riding behaviour, Im hoping that I dont you and I prefer that it wasnt going to happen at all, my question to you "future dead rider" is what can you do now to stop this happening??

so whats your answer ?

[boomer]

I would hazard a guess that one of you or another member of this forum will be dead in the next few months due to road riding behaviour, Im hoping that I dont you and I prefer that it wasnt going to happen at all, my question to you "future dead rider" is what can you do now to stop this happening??

so whats your answer ?

?


Don't smoke
Sober Driver
Walk
Taxi
Stay in

[Fatjim]

Nothing to do with larger balls mate - I'm always the slowest coz I've got the biggest cock and therefore nothing to prove :2thumbsup

Your Ingrish is terrible, its "am", not "have got".

[sunhuntin]

I would hazard a guess that one of you or another member of this forum will be dead in the next few months due to road riding behaviour, Im hoping that I dont you and I prefer that it wasnt going to happen at all, my question to you "future dead rider" is what can you do now to stop this happening??

so whats your answer ?

have a bike that knows when the silly season is and chooses that time to have a run of issues, starting with battery failing, spark plugs needing to be changed and regulator going dead, which equals a bike that cannot run reliably and gets left home more often?

seriously though, avoid main roads as much as possible, as well as town centres.

why on earth are all the I's and L's blue when im typing???

[nodrog]

So what do us chicks do? Compare cup size?

remember, 2 girls can share 1 cup.

[yungatart]

I would hazard a guess that one of you or another member of this forum will be dead in the next few months due to road riding behaviour, Im hoping that I dont you and I prefer that it wasnt going to happen at all, my question to you "future dead rider" is what can you do now to stop this happening??

so whats your answer ?

i don't ride any different in January to how I ride in June.....always be aware, observant , relaxed and looking ahead.
But then I'm a nana rider anyway, pretty cautious by nature.

[shrub]

Group rides suck arse, people seem very slow to figure that out.

I agree entirely. I went on the KB Wednesday night ride for the first time last week and turned back after about 10 ks because I wanted to make it home in one piece. The problem wasn't speed - in fact we were nanaing along. The problem was with poor road positioning, sudden changes of speed (slowing down and speeding up) and worst of all closing in on my gap. I like plenty of room between me and anything solid like a bike, and I had people up my arse, cutting in front of me and trying to ride beside me.

Personally I can't see the attraction of being surrounded by dozens of other riders - you spend all your time watching the riders around you, you're forced to ride at someone elses pace and statistically you're much more likely to have an off on a group ride. I have a few mates I ride with or I ride alone and the best rides I've done have frequently been solo.

[Grubber]

I've done the Harley Group ride of 40 plus bikes and I've done the 8 or 10 riders i know well in a group. The larger ride was the one i could do without. Too many would be slow and right up ya date and others would be trying to show the slow ones how inadequate they were. Recipe for disaster! The ride with 8 or so bikes of people i know well, was far better ride. Felt safe all day even though the pace was far more than it was in the larger group. My choices....1)small group of people i know 2) By myself.

[sidecar bob]

The simple rule is, never ride with someone you wouldnt pillion.
Of all the people ive ridden with, the easiest, safest & most predictable was a late 30's female with an old bike.
It was like riding with another one of me.

[2wheeldrifter]

A group can be defined as two or more......:rolleyes:


its all good then, as I have no friends to ride with :( does that mean I will never crash and burn? lol

[crazyhorse]

A group can be defined as two or more......:rolleyes:


its all good then, as I have no friends to ride with :( does that mean I will never crash and burn? lol

You rode with us???? .................. :oi-grr: my, how quickly you forgot! :wavey:

[2wheeldrifter]

You rode with us???? .................. :oi-grr: my, how quickly you forgot! :wavey:
I know I know.... and we lived to tell about it !!!

spank me next time you ride me......mean with me :)

[crazyhorse]

I know I know.... and we lived to tell about it !!!

spank me next time you ride me......mean with me :)

ALright, I will - spank you, I mean. Maybe a while till I ride with you again.... but that sure was a great ride around Lake Taupo.

[2wheeldrifter]

ALright, I will - spank you, I mean. Maybe a while till I ride with you again.... but that sure was a great ride around Lake Taupo.

It was indeed a great ride! I didn't know we had gone around the lake!! to busy looking at the rear of someones bike!!!!! :shifty:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Personally I can't see the attraction of being surrounded by dozens of other riders - you spend all your time watching the riders around you, you're forced to ride at someone elses pace and statistically you're much more likely to have an off on a group ride. I have a few mates I ride with or I ride alone and the best rides I've done have frequently been solo.

Agreed. 10 characters.

[crazyhorse]

It was indeed a great ride! I didn't know we had gone around the lake!! to busy looking at the rear of someones bike!!!!! :shifty:

I know you were just trying to keep up. Lucky we were a small group, and considerate of the slower riders present :lol:

[Miscreant]

Personally I can't see the attraction of being surrounded by dozens of other riders - you spend all your time watching the riders around you, you're forced to ride at someone elses pace and statistically you're much more likely to have an off on a group ride.

You have statistics for this? Cool, please share.

[Squiggles]

You have statistics for this? Cool, please share.

Is that denial i hear?

[shrub]

You have statistics for this? Cool, please share.

Certainly. In both the MAIDS study in Europe (http://www.maids-study.eu/pdf/MAIDS2.pdf) and the OTS (http://www.maids-study.eu/pdf/OTS_MAIDS_comparison.pdf) study in the UK group riding was identified as increasing the risk of experiencing serious injury or fatality by 18% (MAIDS) and 22% (OTS). The two studies showed that where an accident occurred in a group the main factors that caused the accident were:
1. Rider inattention. This was usually where the rider was too busy focussing on the other riders and missed a hazard and vice versa
2. Riding too close - not allowing a rider room to move through riding too close was the second biggest cause
3. Competition - riders riding outside of their skill level

I suggest you read the reports, they're fascinating and while the OTS report is more aligned to the NZ experience because MAIDS is skewed by the large number of scooter riders in Europe, they both point out some key issues that affect motorcycle safety.

[Stirts]

a late 30's female with an old bike.
It was like riding with another one of me.

:gob: you are a late 30's female? THAT explains why Gordie is always giving you the glad eye :blip:

[2wheeldrifter]

I know you were just trying to keep up. Lucky we were a small group, and considerate of the slower riders present :lol:

More fun in small groups, and was nice that you let the new guy on the block.....................

come up from behind !

Very very considerate of you :)

yes I was trying to keep up.... shhhh

[shrub]

More fun in small groups

I agree, riding with 2 - 8 people you know and trust can be a blast, but the key is people you can trust to ride intelligently.

[nodrog]

how fuckin hard is it to ride fowards at your own comfort level and not fucken fall off? nobody esle is steering your bike or turning the throttle.

if you are walking down a footpath and all of a sudden there is more than 2 people, do you suddenly go spastic and swerve left into a wall? or cross the parking meter line and bin into a parked car?

how you guys survive in everyday life is beyond me.

[Genie]

how fuckin hard is it to ride fowards at your own comfort level and not fucken fall off? nobody esle is steering your bike or turning the throttle.

if you are walking down a footpath and all of a sudden there is more than 2 people, do you suddenly go spastic and swerve left into a wall? or cross the parking meter line and bin into a parked car?

how you guys survive in everyday life is beyond me.


you have a point there but....it's a bit different on the road with some meaty engine between your legs when you're just learning. When you first started walking how many times did you fall over?

[nodrog]

When you first started walking how many times did you fall over?

i learnt to crawl first, so i didnt fall over fuck all.

[2wheeldrifter]

you have a point there but....it's a bit different on the road with some meaty engine between your legs when you're just learning. When you first started walking how many times did you fall over?

Is good indeed to have some big meaty thing between your legs...






oh meaty engine! ........ has been called other names before :)

[neels]

how fuckin hard is it to ride fowards at your own comfort level and not fucken fall off? nobody esle is steering your bike or turning the throttle.

if you are walking down a footpath and all of a sudden there is more than 2 people, do you suddenly go spastic and swerve left into a wall? or cross the parking meter line and bin into a parked car?

how you guys survive in everyday life is beyond me.
Pretty much what I was thinking. If the racers want to race that's fine by me, if someone wants to ride faster than me they can pass me and do their thing, I'll do my thing & everybody's should be happy. I got nothing to prove to anyone.

[Mrs Cowboyz]

how fuckin hard is it to ride fowards at your own comfort level and not fucken fall off? nobody esle is steering your bike or turning the throttle.

if you are walking down a footpath and all of a sudden there is more than 2 people, do you suddenly go spastic and swerve left into a wall? or cross the parking meter line and bin into a parked car?

how you guys survive in everyday life is beyond me.

hahahahahaha.....:killingme:killingme
that is the funniest post of the day mate!!!

[Pussy]

:gob: you are a late 30's female? THAT explains why Gordie is always giving you the glad eye :blip:
In fairness to Gordy.... sidecar bob DOES have a pretty mouth.... :)

[boomer]

I would hazard a guess that one of you or another member of this forum will be dead in the next few months due to road riding behaviour, Im hoping that I dont you and I prefer that it wasnt going to happen at all, my question to you "future dead rider" is what can you do now to stop this happening??

so whats your answer ?

Fuck a duck

[Str8 Jacket]

Fuck a duck

Oh I don't know. Fucking ducks doesnt come without its worries....

I know for a fact that someone in NZ (who I do not know personally) was caught and was at least fined for fucking a duck....

[Ixion]

Oh I don't know. Fucking ducks doesnt come without its worries....

I know for a fact that someone in NZ (who I do not know personally) was caught and was at least fined for fucking a duck....

Gagg. Now we have to work out who.

Lesse. Ducks is small, very small. So it must have been someone with a very small dick. So, probably a GSXR1000 rider. That narrows it down.

[The Stranger]

Oh I don't know. Fucking ducks doesnt come without its worries....

I know for a fact that someone in NZ (who I do not know personally) was caught and was at least fined for fucking a duck....

was he a comedian?

[Str8 Jacket]

was he a comedian?

I honestly dont know his name, the age he was when it happened, where it happened or when it happened. All I remember was I was informed and sawit for my own eyes about 3-5 years ago and it had happened about 15-20 years earlier.

[Ixion]

was he a comedian?

Well, the duck didn't think it was funny.

[Genie]

ahem.....many moons a ago...in a land not far from where I live. A young man (14) with some intellectual problems was caught fucking a duck. He moved onto to stealing ladies panties off clotheslines and peeping through windows. He'd be about 48 now, not sure where he is but I tell ya, the ducks in Richmond (oops) never returned the following season.

[nodrog]

"get down!"

[Scotty595]

remember, 2 girls can share 1 cup.

:sick:

*Bad images*

[Scotty595]

I honestly dont know his name, the age he was when it happened, where it happened or when it happened. All I remember was I was informed and sawit for my own eyes about 3-5 years ago and it had happened about 15-20 years earlier.

Who the fuck, fucks a duck?

[Genie]

Who the fuck, fucks a duck?

some men have been known to fuck some rather unusual creatures....there are movies in the DVD store if you feel you need educating.

[Scotty595]

some men have been known to fuck some rather unusual creatures....there are movies in the DVD store if you feel you need educating.:sick:

Think ill be alright thanks :)

[Goblin]

Always ends up in the gutter dunnit...:oi-grr:

[Ratti]

ahem...to get back to the original topic here...

Have nearly always ridden solo. occasionally with a trusted friend of similar ability/toy runs

Avoided group runs as tho I'd catch a social disease. Having recently joined local U-sillians I was a bit iffy about going on a run. Was pleasantly suprised that it was damn good fun.
Several reasons for this..
1. riders willing to leave ego at home and follow a few simple rules
2. designated lead rider and tail end charlie
3. regular stops to allow slower riders to catch up
4. riders who bloody well know how to stagger themselves across the lane so EVERYONE had room.
5. the route was well planned so the ones who needed to stretch their bikes legs could go for a blat in an offmainroad area.

The lunchtime conversation was interesting. It was mentioned that one group in particular that meets regularly in Upper hUtt, is not a great group to go with as they tend to the onehandondick style of riding and were all about getting there as fast as they can.

Pick the group according to your own ability. Trust yourself to know when a group is not right for you and dont be afraid to ask around to see what else might be in your area. If you like to ride solo, then have some respect for others and be thankful there is room for all of us.

[boomer]

Who the fuck, fucks a duck?


The duck fucker, mother fucker !

[carver]

I like going fast on the road, and I am still alive!

done plenty of group rides too, just ride at your own pace.

you dont need to be going fast to get wasted, just make a mistake.
this war on speed (by media and police) is a bit mis guided

[davebullet]

Who the fuck, fucks a duck?

That's the LAST time I ever go on a Wellington Wednesday night cruisy ride at the..... duck pond! (those sick, sick bastards).

[davebullet]

Who the fuck, fucks a duck?

That's the LAST time I ever go on a Wellington Wednesday night cruisy ride at the..... duck pond! (those sick, sick bastards).

[scumdog]

Who the fuck, fucks a duck?

My Harley is a FXDXT, does that count??:doh::wacko:

[sinfull]

My Harley is a FXDXT, does that count??:doh::wacko:
Does the DXT stand for Duck XTerminator ?

[avgas]

You have statistics for this? Cool, please share.

Hmmm you want statistics to show its ok to ride in a group and check out other riders. Whats wrong closet door locked? Or you feel unsafe without the numbers?

[avgas]

Gagg. Now we have to work out who.

Lesse. Ducks is small, very small. So it must have been someone with a very small dick. So, probably a GSXR1000 rider. That narrows it down.

But does he wave while doing it?

[avgas]

A group can be defined as two or more......:rolleyes:
Not according to the IPA
(International Porno Association)

Class 2, Clause 23: Groups
A group will consist of more than 4 people. This is 3 more than a "Solo", 2 more than a "Pair" and 1 more than a "Spitroast".

[The Stranger]

Hmmm you want statistics to show its ok to ride in a group and check out other riders. Whats wrong closet door locked? Or you feel unsafe without the numbers?

What a stunning conclusion. why the fixation with homosexuality? Obviously you have something playing heavy on your mind.
Bad news avgas, it's NOT ok to be gay so learn to control your homoerotic fantasies.

[Miscreant]

Hmmm you want statistics to show its ok to ride in a group and check out other riders. Whats wrong closet door locked? Or you feel unsafe without the numbers?

Ah now I get it. Checking facts makes you a homo, sorry I'm a newbie, I didn't know. but I did wonder why so many spouted so much shit on here. Guess they didn't want to check their facts for fear of being gay.

[rocketman1]

A friend from Germany told me that over there some of the clubs do not allow overtaking, on group rides.
The idea is that you sort your self out at the beginning and take off, fastest riders in front, slower behind, if you end up in a slower group tough shit you have to wait till you get to the next stop then you move up the line a bit into the faster bikes.
The reasoning is that chasing another bike puts pressure on the front rider to extend himself/ herself that wee bit more than he/she would like. But to be proud...and save face, if they are passed they then have to prove themselves and repass etc etc, . This only leads to disaster.
If you cannot overtake another biker in the group then it stops alot of the stupidty
Perhaps NZ clubs should adopt the same rules
The racing should be left to the track. There is no disgrace in being passed. Get over it and live to see another day.

[fliplid]

The racing should be left to the track. There is no disgrace in being passed. Get over it and live to see another day.
I'll let anyone pass who wants to- I want to stay out of the scenery, and not be part of it.

[Ixion]

A friend from Germany told me that over there some of the clubs do not allow overtaking, on group rides.
...

I know some other "clubs" in this country that do not allow overtaking on their "group rides". Nobody crashes , either.

[carver]

I quite like things how they are

ie, most bins wins

[pc220]

I quite like things how they are

ie, most bins wins

Is Sidewinder still leading that one ?

[quickbuck]

I know some other "clubs" in this country that do not allow overtaking on their "group rides". Nobody crashes , either.

Good thing that.

At the end of the ride, all the bikes are going to the same place.... So why is there a need to pass anybody?

Can learn something from everybody I guess.....

[Quasievil]

I quite like things how they are

ie, most bins wins

Clearly said by someone who hasnt really had a bin yet

[ICE180]

welcome to my world on a scooter
I am used to getting overtaken but I still end up at the same place about 2 mins later on the long trips
but round town at least on a bike you dont have cars undertaking you in a bus lane because I am doing the speed limit + some

not fast enough for mr cage

[carver]

Clearly said by someone who hasnt really had a bin yet

this man beats me for now for $$$$

[carver]

Is Sidewinder still leading that one ?

sidewinder is out of the race, no bike! (and has been for ages)

I aint had one on the road in ages

[carver]

Is Sidewinder still leading that one ?

sidewinder is out of the race, no bike! (and has been for ages)

I aint had one on the road in ages

[Ixion]

Good thing that.

At the end of the ride, all the bikes are going to the same place.... So why is there a need to pass anybody?

Can learn something from everybody I guess.....

You might not find them congenial :rofl: . The whoosh noise was the subtle point passing overhead.

[Maha]

Last group ride I co-organised there were about 350 bikes, everyone was well behaved and no bins.

Things can (at times) go to plan.

[avgas]

it's NOT ok to be gay so learn to control your homoerotic fantasies.
Thats right - say that 10 times infront of the mirror each day.......you'll be fine

[avgas]

Ah now I get it. Checking facts makes you a homo, sorry I'm a newbie, I didn't know. but I did wonder why so many spouted so much shit on here. Guess they didn't want to check their facts for fear of being gay.
Errr no. But if facts and figures make you feel safe then you have to question the motive.
I ride bikes because I like riding bikes. Its like publically acceptable masterbating.
Sometimes I ride on my own, sometimes I ride in a group. No set of facts or figures would sway that.
Your new here, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt - Why do you ride bikes? Do you always require a group to hold you hand?

[avgas]

A friend from Germany told me that over there some of the clubs do not allow overtaking, on group rides.
The idea is that you sort your self out at the beginning and take off, fastest riders in front, slower behind, if you end up in a slower group tough shit you have to wait till you get to the next stop then you move up the line a bit into the faster bikes.
The reasoning is that chasing another bike puts pressure on the front rider to extend himself/ herself that wee bit more than he/she would like. But to be proud...and save face, if they are passed they then have to prove themselves and repass etc etc, . This only leads to disaster.
If you cannot overtake another biker in the group then it stops alot of the stupidty
Perhaps NZ clubs should adopt the same rules

I have seen this type of setup in shopping malls here. I think they call them excalators.
You see everyone does the same speed, no ones overtakes......if your an olympic runner or a zimmermatic
While I like the concept - it saddens me that common sense is so dead that we have to organise how people ride a motorbike.

[Marmoot]

If you cannot overtake another biker in the group then it stops alot of the stupidty
Perhaps NZ clubs should adopt the same rules
The racing should be left to the track. There is no disgrace in being passed. Get over it and live to see another day.

There is no disgrace in being passed = it's ok to be passed = passing is ok = passing should not be allowed in rides.

Eh? Either the logic above is flawed or I am missing something?
:mellow:

[The Pastor]

Group rides suck arse, people seem very slow
i agree

[rocketman1]

There is no disgrace in being passed = it's ok to be passed = passing is ok = passing should not be allowed in rides.

Eh? Either the logic above is flawed or I am missing something?
:mellow:


I see what you mean? Maybe a bit of brain fade there..Haha
I know when a biker comes up behind me I do try to go a wee bit quicker to stay in front. Stupid aye! I guess its human nature.
I suppose Im really telling myself that its OK to be passed, if i say that to myself enough. One day I will listen!

[Miscreant]

Errr no. But if facts and figures make you feel safe then you have to question the motive.
I ride bikes because I like riding bikes. Its like publically acceptable masterbating.
Sometimes I ride on my own, sometimes I ride in a group. No set of facts or figures would sway that.
Your new here, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt - Why do you ride bikes? Do you always require a group to hold you hand?

What makes me feel safe is not sleeping anywhere near you arse bandit.
And what's with wanting to hold my hand?
You're camp as a row of tents.

[Miscreant]

i agree

Dont mention suck arse with avgas around. He's horny enough as it is thinking about me.

[avgas]

What makes me feel safe is not sleeping anywhere near you arse bandit.
And what's with wanting to hold my hand?
I hope you have a cot full of toys.........diddims to you if you don't. Perhaps that is why you are crying.
Statistics don't state where I sleep also - does that make you feel any less at ease.
You seem to be going off topic - the question was why do you need statistics to feel safe/unsafe in group rides.

[avgas]

Dont mention suck arse with avgas around. He's horny enough as it is thinking about me.
Haha so true. When someone mentions "Suck Arse" I do instantly think about you

[Miscreant]

Haha so true. When someone mentions "Suck Arse" I do instantly think about you

I'm picking that you ride a Honda right?
Well ok I guess you can suck my arse, but only if you use tongue too.

[Miscreant]

I hope you have a cot full of toys.........diddims to you if you don't. Perhaps that is why you are crying.
Statistics don't state where I sleep also - does that make you feel any less at ease.
You seem to be going off topic - the question was why do you need statistics to feel safe/unsafe in group rides.

No the real questions are.
1)Should one accept without question everything they read on the Internet? Well it is abundantly clear you do.
2)can your obvious homosexuality be cured? Personally I think you are beyond redemption.
3)whilst I've long held the belief that group rides result in more accidents I had previously not seen any evidence of this. Why would you interpret that as being gay, or wanting to hold hands or suck my arse fag boy?

[avgas]

No the real questions are.
1)Should one accept without question everything they read on the Internet? Well it is abundantly clear you do.
2)can your obvious homosexuality be cured? Personally I think you are beyond redemption.
3)whilst I've long held the belief that group rides result in more accidents I had previously not seen any evidence of this. Why would you interpret that as being gay, or wanting to hold hands or suck my arse fag boy?

Oh princess - your knickers are still twisted. let me answer the questions for you
1) yes obviously. Otherwise why ask it on the internet, on a public forum. Rhetorical questions are usually better face to face.
2) Cure - your the one comming on to me ;)
3) If it is proved to you that group rides have more crashes - will it change what you do? are you that weak?

[Miscreant]

Oh princess - your knickers are still twisted. let me answer the questions for you
1) yes obviously. Otherwise why ask it on the internet, on a public forum. Rhetorical questions are usually better face to face.
2) Cure - your the one comming on to me ;)
3) If it is proved to you that group rides have more crashes - will it change what you do? are you that weak?

Hope you enjoy your masty tonight whilst imagining me as a princess wearing knickers.
Cause you're only ever going to see that in your imagination homo Honda boy.

[carver]

Hope you enjoy your masty tonight whilst imagining me as a princess wearing knickers.
Cause you're only ever going to see that in your imagination homo Honda boy.

I will be doing the same in my white boots

[Miscreant]

I will be doing the same in my white boots

Look I'm no match maker, but I got to say you and avgas sound like you'll make a great couple.

[avgas]

Look I'm no match maker, but I got to say you and avgas sound like you'll make a great couple.

Join us - you would make a good spitroast..........oh wait your too scared to have a group ride.
diddims

[Miscreant]

Join us - you would make a good spitroast..........oh wait your too scared to have a group ride.
diddims

It's not my fault I don't do group rides. Every time I go on one it starts out as a group ride then I see everyone disappear behind me in my mirrors. What's with that, at least if they want to ride as a group you'd think they'd at least try and keep up.

Perhaps they are all like you and just want to check out my arse.

[sosman]

Does yr arse look any good?

[avgas]

It's not my fault I don't do group rides. Every time I go on one it starts out as a group ride then I see everyone disappear behind me in my mirrors. What's with that, at least if they want to ride as a group you'd think they'd at least try and keep up.

Perhaps they are all like you and just want to check out my arse.
Wow you must be one of those awesome riders out there. A true legend made of iron and bone.
Seriously do you think about what you say - or do you assume the rest of us don't have a clue.
You seem to think myself and carver....among others on this site are the 'slow riders' you imagine you beat.......
Oh wait I am just a lowly 400 rider - I must be new to this riding thing......
er current (admittably VERY slow bike) is by choice. You might want to check you facts before spouting more shit here - others here will quite happily accept your 'challenges'.
I will just politely ride slowly and avoid the blinding light that shines out your rear.
The road is not a race track, its more fun - and seems to eliminate squids quicker.

[Miscreant]

Wow you must be one of those awesome riders out there. A true legend made of iron and bone.
Seriously do you think about what you say - or do you assume the rest of us don't have a clue.
You seem to think myself and carver....among others on this site are the 'slow riders' you imagine you beat.......
Oh wait I am just a lowly 400 rider - I must be new to this riding thing......
er current (admittably VERY slow bike) is by choice. You might want to check you facts before spouting more shit here - others here will quite happily accept your 'challenges'.
I will just politely ride slowly and avoid the blinding light that shines out your rear.
The road is not a race track, its more fun - and seems to eliminate squids quicker.

Whoa there princess, your purdy little knickers are in such a bunch carvers never going to be able to get them off.

[avgas]

Whoa there princess, your purdy little knickers are in such a bunch carvers never going to be able to get them off.
sorry didnt realise you were looking

[sosman]

Alright thats more like it!....keep it coming...this is good jibba jabba

or why don't a both go out for a ride together & see who's got the better arse...muhaha!

[carver]

Whoa there princess, your purdy little knickers are in such a bunch carvers never going to be able to get them off.

I am sure i could slide someting up your way if i cant get them off him

[avgas]

Alright thats more like it!....keep it coming...this is good jibba jabba

or why don't a both go out for a ride together & see who's got the better arse...muhaha!

To be honest mine is over-rated. I guess Miscreants standards have dropped - which is probaby why he is so concerned about the statistics.
Would hate for him to settle for below average arse

[Miscreant]

To be honest mine is over-rated. I guess Miscreants standards have dropped - which is probaby why he is so concerned about the statistics.
Would hate for him to settle for below average arse


Me concerned? it was merely an enquiry as a matter of interest that got you all bent out of shape. Anyone would think it was a direct assault on your fellow pillow biters the way you got all defensive there.