Epirb or Spot?

[buggsubique]

OK, just thinking...welcome your responses.

Since I live in Blenheim and heaps of punters pass through heading south, even top o' the south lads doing moles / rainbow loop, would you prefer to have an EPIRB or Spot locator or are you happy with just the old Nokia in the jacket pocket?

Me personally, if I had an Epirb I would take it everywhere I rode (almost) cos I ride alone a lot. If I could afford it I would perhaps prefer a Spot cos it lets you send other messages apart from creating a SAR callout. Keep wifey happy, but I guess my thinking is you can leave route info and arrange check-ins to get around that, it just takes more discipline.

I guess at the end of the day if I'm laying on the ground broken and no one can hear me snivelling into my helmet I would like to see a chopper over me ASAP, so maybe a PLB is best.

So I's thinking if enough people thought the same I might look at buyng me a device that other riders could take loan of if a rider needed one. I just know that some places online charge a fair bit to hire one, most (all?) have minimum periods of a week etc etc. Not looking to make anything significant, but I figure it could be done cheaper within the forum here.

Thoughts? Like to me ~$20 for a weekend (split that between say 4 riders makes it cheap assurance), no minimum hire or anything, ~$40-50 a 7 day week. Would be bukku cheaper than somewhere like: http://www.safetyatsea.co.nz/epirb_hire.asp . Could courier to a rider / courier back when done etc, so you wouldn't need to pass through Blenheim necessarily.

[XF650]

Another rental outfit:
http://www.406beaconhire.com/

[Waihou Thumper]

I have used one of these, rather, I have taken one of these tramping around Stewart Island. I also had one in the Hollyford valley. I do find having one in my pack an added piece of security. For use on the bike, I could see the benefits, particularly as I ride on my own 95% of the time. They are expensive units, I guess having a GPS with Lat and Long co-ordinates are handy, but if there is no cell phone coverage or you are unconscious somewhere at the side of the track, it aint going to help you. Riding in a group though, would you need one? If the worst was to happen, one could send for help or to a high point, the others could render first aid. I don't know if it would speed up the rescue process by setting off the EPIRB? I guess it could do? Food for thought anyway, and if I had the money, I might consider buying one, however I don't think I would necessarily go out of my way to ensure I had one in my luggage on the bike.
Good insurance, for now though I will carry my AA card and the Cell phone and keep my fingers crossed out there and ride carefully, REALLY carefully.....I have an old bike now, it's gotta be nursed...:)

[cooneyr]

Well after my crash in the Rainbow and realising that it took 3 hours for help to get there - could have made it two if we had not bothered to try and pillion me I'd say one is a bloody good idea weather you are riding in a group or not. Chopper would have been looking for me in 1 hour max. When I got my wife on the back and it was just the two of us riding she decided we are going to get one so I now carry a PLB ever where I go. There is no way my wife could have picked up the Super Ten let alone ride it to get help and there is no cell phone coverage for 100km in the Rainbow and about 200km in the Molesworth. The ridiculous thing is that it is the most expensive piece to equipment that I hope I never have to use.

Couple of bits of info. A PLB is for land and a EPIRB is for sea. If you got a spot can you set it up so that it sends the I'm OK message to the person's wife/partner/etc or would your wife/partner get the messages. If you can't change the recipient to the person's wife/partner/etc you might as well get a PLB as there is no benefit from this regard but the PLB would do a better/quicker job of getting NZSAR to the correct location. I personally prefer to have a PLB and phone when I can rather than a SPOT but either option is better than nothing.

Oh and you are better to have it on your person somewhere rather than a backpack if you ride by yourself. If you break your limb/s and you pack is 50m away then it ain't much use to you. I carry mine in my RH jacket pocket if you ever ride with me and need it!!!

Cheers R

[Balrog]

I think they are a great idea and am planning on buying one very soon.

MagicFairy and I are quite often in the middle of nowhere and if I managed to hurt myself, she'd never be able to pick the GS up and ride for help.
.... although it would be highly entertaining to watch her try :devil2:

I'd prefer to buy one myself, but would look at hiring as well.

[GSers]

I carry a PLB all the time now when I am on my own or with her indoors you never know what might happen. The other handy thing would be a SAT phone to have all the bases coverd. I dont think it will be long before PLB have other features built in like the SPOT as I filled in a ACR PLB survey asking that very question if you would be prepared to pay an annual fee for more features ie: being able to send text message and tracking etc.
regards GSers

[NordieBoy]

MagicFairy and I are quite often in the middle of nowhere and if I managed to hurt myself, she'd never be able to pick the GS up and ride for help.
.... although it would be highly entertaining to watch her try :devil2:

Hmmm...

"Yes he had a broken arm and leg but it was the 1150 shoved up his arse that killed him" :devil2:

[zeRax]

fran ! tut tut ;p

ya, ive wanted one for awhile now too ~, definately a good idea, where all us lot go there is rarely decent cell coverage, trail riding in weekend not far from home but far enough that theres no cell and would take too long to get help,

definately a good thing to have

[ducatijim]

I'm going to get a Spot, more features than a straight....HELP.... I'm broke!

[Balrog]

Hmmm...

"Yes he had a broken arm and leg but it was the 1150 shoved up his arse that killed him" :devil2:

The 1150 engine design prevents total arse penetration.
So my eye's may be watering, but I'll not be walking funny.

:bleh:

[cooneyr]

I'm going to get a Spot, more features than a straight....HELP.... I'm broke!

Yer but not monitored by NZ agencies. The spot signal goes to to a Yank comercial operation before they then get in contact the NZ agency. I'd rather just have the help I'm fcuked please come get me. and use my cell when I'm OK.

Cheers R

[YLWDUC]

EPIRBs are vital on the oceans, but I'm not sure how they would work in the high country, as the mountains might block the satellite signal for a high percentage of the time. That said, they are pretty accurate. The Spotme thingy could be subject to the same terrain issues.

[OV Lander]

About 4 years ago, aftera mate of mine was killed int he bush, I ran a campaign fro EPIRBS int he 4x4 community. All up, I managed to sell 61 uits, and secured reduced pricing due tot he volue.

Just 2 weeks before Christmas I recvd and e-mail saying that one of the units had been used to save somebody's life followign a massive heart attack whilst on a trip in a remote region.

The rtescue chopper arrived 90 mins before the other truck managed to get to cell phone coverage to raise the alarm. So yes, I would say they are worth their weight in gold.

I always carry one in the truck, and and with the new technologies they are now reaching sizes that can be easily carried ona bike too.

When I ran the EPIRB campaign, I checked with the Rescue Co-Ordination Centre (RCC), and I can confirm that as far they are concerned they do not care if it is on land or at sea, they will dispatch a rescue as soon as the co-ordinates are confirmed (several modern EPIRBS/PLB's now also send a GPS co-ordinate to improve response times rather than await a second or thrid signal to pin point location).

So long as it can transmit an emergency signal on 406MHz, then RCC will respond (ols EPIRBS used 121.5MHz which is now used as a local homing signal by SAR when on the ground).

Stay safe out there.

[gav24]

Been thinking about investing in a SPOT, as much to see where I've been when I get back, but also for the safety features. What would you recommend as you guys seem much more Tech savvy that me? What I really want is small, simple, reliable, longevity of technology (dont have to update in 6 months), and cheap:yes: I liked the idea of the SPOT, could also use when fishing, but maybe not great in NZ? signal coverage?
Thoughts...

[NordieBoy]

I'd go for the SPOT for the features.
But they're orange...

[JATZ]

Been thinking about investing in a SPOT, as much to see where I've been when I get back,...

Alzhiemers eh?

don't worry, I get that too :D

[Woodman]

can someone please edumacate me?

How does an epirb work? e.g. do you have to push a button when you are in the shit?, or can its location be picked up if someone thinks you are in the shit? or both?

From what I DO understand they seem like a bloody good idea if injured down a bank or something. Might look into it.

[buggsubique]

can someone please edumacate me?

How does an epirb work? .

Emergency use only, monitored by SAR agency in NZ on activation (ie by pushing the "do not push" button).

High powered (5W) transmission on 406 mhz, preferably with GPS location attached (some have GPS, some don't), then also a low powered 121 mhz homing signal used by ground and air personnel to home in to your position.

No cost apart from purchase price (~2x price of SPOT for gps version), activated only in emergency.

Spot on the other hand is a commercially monitored service run overseas. Heaps of additional functionality like live tracking of your location, sending "OK" , "I'm alive, bike's broken, Send Help" or, "I'm Dying" messages. hefty ongoing subsription fee (relative to no subscription fee for EPIRB).

My thoughts:

SPOT if you can afford ongoing fees and want to keep loved ones informed.
EPIRB / PLB (PLB really for us - EPIRBs are the same but bigger for planes / boats) if you can manage your own delays, lack of cell coverage, plan and inform family of routes & plans, check in by cell phone, but want a rotary winged angel overhead ASAP after you overshoot a corner and are bleeding from your ears.

[NordieBoy]

............bleeding from your ears.

Don't follow Marks so closely then...

[Woodman]

cheers...................

[babysteps]

This (http://www.cyclenutz.com/products/gps_navigation/spot_satellite_personal_tracker.html)place has SPOt for under $200 shipped to NZ!

[marks]

I don't know that they are directly comparable.

Spot is great for letting my family know I'm at Toppy's drinking a latte and for showing people how I got to Toppy's but I would be ill advised to depend on it as a PLB replacement. I'm happy that I brought a Spot but if I continue riding in remote places I think I'll get a PLB as well.

[wysper]

Even as a non adventure rider (at this point, maybe my next bike...) I would consider a PLB. Seems like a bloody good idea to me. Especially given the number of times emergency services get the location wrong for what ever reason. Given what we spend on safety gear, a bit extra for a PLB seems like money well spent.

[scorpious]

I'd probably buy one if it was cheap enough but I usually ride every day so hiring wouldn't be feesable.

[Amz]

For flying and tracking lost student pilots I use SPOT and Spidertracks which is great for tracking them and then texting them to turn around :eek: you can see em on the screen and tell whether they actually did what you told them to as well. Both units are quite expensive to buy and have ongoing subscription costs, the Spidertracks depending on how much you use it. We only use it for tracking, not help. SPOT sends one help message every 5 minutes which is not much good if you are in an area of bad reception, to an international agency which then passes it on back to NZ (NZ has enough trouble with its own Rescue Coord Centre ballsing it up let alone throwing in another source....hmm I don't know). It can't be tracked by the rescue vehicles apart from GPS info given and past track history. I assume SPOT uses more battery (unless hard wired) as actually using it vs EPIRB use only once, so have to keep tabs on that. All planes are equip with a ELT (EPIRB). As for myself, I have an ACR PLB ResQfix with GPS which I use for the big Launch, the fizz boat, 4x4ing, mountain biking off the beaten track, tramping and now if I do a trip on the motorbike that too. It transmits every 50 seconds and indicates its sucess which is reassuring. Plus it also broadcasts on 121.5 which is monitored by commercial airliners etc so they can hear it beeping and pass (knowledge of and location heard) on and it can be used to track you by rescuers which is especially good if your still moving. Both units would do the job but both are different.

[NordieBoy]

Spot is around $450 locally!
Around $99us + subs = $200odd NZ from the US.

[gav24]

A PLB seems the best option then...?
Where from?
How much?
Any brands/types better than others for ADV riding (ie. compact, tough, not orange!)?
Useful websites?

Help a technophobe...

[buggsubique]

A PLB seems the best option then...?
Where from?
How much?
Any brands/types better than others for ADV riding (ie. compact, tough, not orange!)?
Useful websites?

Help a technophobe...

The ACR ReQfix mentioned above is available for $715 from a place in Picton (avail on trademe). Cheapast I have seen for a new one with GPS, others are $800-900. second hand ones are not available all that often but do pop up.

[OV Lander]

I think you need to treat SPOT and EPIRB/PLB seperately... ...they do different things.

If it is convenient route tracking and gimmicks, go for the SPOT.
If you want to be rescued (efficiently and on a long term basis, independently of the commercial success of a US based private company, and without worrying "did I pay my subs this year?"), go for the EPIRB/PLB.

The RCC (Not SAR) monitor the NZ registered (free) EPIRBS, and are government funded in line with international obligations. They are not going any where!

How do EPIRBS work and why was the system upgraded to 406MHz?
EPIRBS used to have mixed results on land here in NZ; this was under the old system of 121.5MHz. Under the old system, the satellite had to be able to see BOTH the EPIRB and the base station at the same time to relay the message. With Satellites trevellign East-West and our hills running (predominantly) N-S this was difficult to achieve, so rescues to longer than hoped. Of course, the system worked perfectly on the open seas for where it was originally designed!

The new 406MHz system, does not have the same issues. The Satellite 'retains' the emergency siganl if it can not see a Base station, until such time as it can. Then it passes on the message.

With narrow valleys, how long can the satellite see me for?
Satellite travel at high speed, and with our narrow valleys it means they can not see you for long before they have disappeared over the horizon. Hence why the old system was not great on land. The COSPAR satellites only need an 8 second window to pick up your signal.

EPIRB or SPOT in an Emergency?
The EPIRB is monitored by the Rescue Co-ordination Centre (Lower Hutt). It is funded by the government and requires not on-going subscription and is free to register (who are you?, emergency contact numbers to eliminate false call outs).
SPOT is a commercial service and will be around for as long as it remains profitable. Who do they call? The same Rescue Co-Ordination Centre, just that the call is delayed by their service. Of course, this pre-supposes your subscription is up to date!

GPS or Non-GPS?
The EPIRBS come in GPS and non-GPS versions. The GPS units attaches the GPS co-ordinates to the Hex identification signal that is relayed to the RCC, and certainly speeds up the dispatch of a rescue effort. Without GPS the signal identifies who you are and the satellite determines how far away from the satellite you are; this generates a limited number of 'possible' locations. A second satellite pass confirms which area needs to be targeted. If $$ are the issue rest assured that the non-GPS version works, it just takes a little longer (upto 2 hours approx - but still quicker than walking out of the bush with 2 broken legs!).

In an emergency, I'd rely on the EPIRB every time.

If you guys are serious about EPIRBs, then you should be able to negotiate a bulk discount according to volumes. When I organuised the 60+ EPIRB units for the 4x4 community I got a healthy discount from a yachting supplier (PM me for details if you're serious).

[sarahtvet]

I asked NZ search and Rescue which they thought was most useful for me and described the bike situation, ie back roads, poor coverage and often serious injuries.
The head guy listed fors n againsts all choices and highly recommended spot.
I have archived email so can't reproduce all the details here but basically EPIRBs only use a limited number of statellites so you could wait 2 hours for the appropriate one to pass over you, tooo long.
Spot uses all of them so they gaurantee 99% for NZ island and close to shore that YOUR EMERGENCY services will be notified within 20m and with GPS within 5 metres and a google earth map.
I have added to my message that I am on a bike and if I press 911 it means a high speed crash and need a helicopter.
EPIRBS better outside coastal waters but if you are out there on your bike you took a very bad turn :lol:
I also have mates on the OK to keep track of me for eg when on the Grand Challenge this year.
I ride a lot and sometimes on my own so feel much safer now.
I also have people with trailers on the Help function and tend to reserve my Help for that, if I can ride the bike I am OK, if bike fkd I need Help and if I or a fellow rider is hurt I need 911.
I have put label on front of it so if I am off and unconscious and people find me it says In case of emerg press 911. Then I don't have to worry that a headless chicken event will delay my getting to hospital.

As an aside a huge 1000m horse trek in outer Mongolia run by FEI and only entered by world class endurance riders insisted on all riders carrying SPOT trackers.

[Underground]

I need to get an eprb for my comercial boat but would like to be able to take it with me on the bike (I ride the bike more than I use the boat)
Just wondering weather the marine version is ok for on land as well as I definately have to get the MSA aproved type for the boat .
Cant afford to buy two of the damn things.

[GSers]

Just recieved from ACR Electronics a fee applies and further options available on there latest models not sure if this is available on other PLBs
Unleash the power of your existing beacon
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That's why more and more paddlers, boaters and backpackers are packing along a 406Mhz satellite signaling device.
Now, with the power of 406Link.com, you can make sure your PLB, ELT, or EPIRB is functioning properly - before you ever leave - through the same satellite system used by Search and Rescue. And with added messaging functionality, your beacon becomes an "I'm Ok" signaling device, letting friends and family back home know you're safe.

Two service plans to choose from starting at just $39.95 US per year:

http://www.406link.com/demo.html

regards GSers

[buggsubique]

Sweet looking - might have to look into that in more detail...

[GSers]

Sweet looking - might have to look into that in more detail...

Yeah it does look good I was just thinking about it and will send an email to Maritime NZ to see if this is going to upset things down here in NZ seeing as they monitor them down here.
I haven't pushed the test button on mine yeat only the battery test.
Keep you posted.
regards GSers

[babysteps]

There is a Epirb for $650.00 on Daysale (http://daysale.co.nz/emergency-beacon-p-314.html?zenid=07dd56e1496094db1e3b7984eef67a77) until 12pm 10.02.10

[Underground]

I was quoted $517 +gst by RFD in nelson the other day,
Cant remember what brand but it was a green one with GPS
I have to get one of the marine floating ones for my boat survey and that was $610 +
Which makes the pair of them now costing a similar amount to what one did a couple of years ago ,
Which proves a theory of mine that procrastination pays of in the long term.

[GSers]

Question to Maritime Safety NZ
I am interested in signing up to the “I AM OK” Service that ACR are offering. This is to keep my partner informed that I am indeed OK when out of cell phone range.
As you monitor the 406 beacons in NZ can you please confirm that this service will not set off any unnecessary rescue mission if used in NZ.

Reply from Maritime Safety & ACR Distributor NZ
The service is available but still on trial in NZ. The satellite coverage for this service is New Zealand - wide, but to date, I have only managed to get it to send one e-mail and no texts. I think the text part of it will be the most user friendly part and most convenient, but we need to resolve the misalignment between US and NZ cell networks. I am in the process of doing this but it could take a week or two. The test facility which sends the “I’m okay” message cannot initiate a rescue mission as a blocking code in the transmission prevents the COSPAS/SARSAT network from on-forwarding the 406 distress signal. I will let you know as soon as we have the system working correctly

Question to ACR USA.
I am very interested in this service 406Link.com. But I have just got out my PLB300 manual and what it says about the GPS self testing is: Warning to conserve battery power the following test should not be performed more than once during the five year life of the battery pack.
I accept that using the PLB this way of course will use battery life and I have no problem with that but do you have an agent here in New Zealand that can replace the batteries at a reasonable price. At this stage the unit is not due for replacement until 2013 and I don’t want to have to replace the whole unit just because I kept using the Self Test Function to send
“I AM OK” messages.

Reply from ACR USA
We currently are running tests in New Zealand to make sure the system is working properly, since New Zealand is at the outer edge of our coverage zone, but our tests have been going great, and you shouldn’t have any problems using the service. The only issue we currently have is that New Zealand cellular carriers have a different protocol for text messaging that we need to get resolved with our system. Currently the “I’m Ok” messages via email are working, but not the SMS/Text messages. Hope to have this resolved shortly.
Your PLB-300 will work just fine with the 406Link.com system. The Warning you reference in your email is for the GPS Acquisition Test which should only be done once during the life of your battery. Your PLB can not transmit GPS coordinates during a self test unfortunately, but you can take advantage of the “I’m Ok” messaging service which works off of a basic PLB Self Test. These basic self tests are recommended to do at least once per month, but your model can actually do up to 420 Self Tests before the battery witness seal will deactivate the self test function so that you do not start using the 24 hours of Emergency Life remaining in your batteries.

Looks like this thing should eventually get off the ground so as soon as I hear that they have the text messaging working properly I will post again.
regards GSers

[Underground]

Bloody good bit of research there GSers , I watch with interest looks like it could end up being the ultimate personal location package .

[TangoCharlie]

I have been using SPOT since it became available in NZ in both boating and motor biking environments.

It is very good, you can send unlimited check in messgaes to as many people as you like, via SMS and e-mails with Google Maps direct links to your current location.

As I ride / boat alone often, this allows me to "check in" with my wife.

The Help button is set up with emergency contact details and the 911 Button with detailks of NZ Emergency Services.

You change all these settings via their Web Page.

Only issue is the ongoing annual fee to keep device active.

[gav24]

Sound good - nice and simple too!
Where can I get these in NZ?
And how much to purchase/set up and then keep active.
Thanks

[buggsubique]

I reckon I'll save for a PLB and subscribe to the 406 link service once its proven. Suits my needs best me thinks.

[Eddieb]

While in the magazine shop yesterday I noticed there's a SPOT vrs EPIRB article in one of the latest Aussie ADV/off road mags.

[Padmei]

Apologies to all but just to recap - if you fall off & are unconcious which one will alert the authorities?

[Underground]

Apologies to all but just to recap - if you fall off & are unconcious which one will alert the authorities?

We are all still waiting for the invention of the 'mind blank' triggered PLB ..........along with the video dream recorder , and a few other things .

[Padmei]

video dream recorder ,.

Oh yeah I want one of those!! mmmmm Jennifer......

[TangoCharlie]

Sound good - nice and simple too!
Where can I get these in NZ?
And how much to purchase/set up and then keep active.
Thanks

There are available from Salcom - www.salcom.co.nz
I think mine cost NZ$350 plus US$115 each year

[jonbuoy]

I need to get an eprb for my comercial boat but would like to be able to take it with me on the bike (I ride the bike more than I use the boat)
Just wondering weather the marine version is ok for on land as well as I definately have to get the MSA aproved type for the boat .
Cant afford to buy two of the damn things.

Marine ones are a little bigger than the land portable versions some of them are bloody massive + if you got a hydrostatic release you really won't want to mess around removing it from the housing when you swap over. When you buy it you have to register it with your call sign MMSI etc, as such if you set it off on land they will probably treat it as a suspected false alert, things will still happen likely you will have a chopper fly overhead anyway but not a great idea.

[Padmei]

The Feb issue of TBAM trailbike aust mag, has an excellent article on the merits of Spot vs PLB. Next time you're in the mag shop have a look thru. Also has a good write up of the Marlb safari. The rest of the mag is shite so don't bother buying it.




Oops just repeating what Eddie posted weeks ago.

[Padmei]

A good reason for a spot/pbl.
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=570970

Someone brings up a good point that they're not much use in a backpack if You've got a busted back - front pocket makes sense

BTW Rollos in Nelson actually hires out PLBs at a pretty reasonable rate I've heard.

[Padmei]

:banana::banana::banana: Just cracked 2000 posts & damn that banana can still dance as well as it did when I first entered these hallowed halls.

It's official - I have no life

sigh...

[NordieBoy]

:banana::banana::banana: Just cracked 2000 posts & damn that banana can still dance as well as it did when I first entered these hallowed halls.

It's official - I have no life

sigh...

I'm almost at 2000 posts myself.
I went up into Sharlands Creek today and only had to push the last 10m up 2 hills. Took 10mins each time though.

Road tyres are good for sightseeing but not for the "take every left turn unless it looks suicidal" adventuring I was doing :D

[Padmei]

I went up Kaka Hill yesterday about 3pm but had one of those 'can't be arsed' rides so cut it short - had to go on reserve down the maitai so just as well really.

[Willdat?]

Dredging up quite an old thread here but it's become of more significance in the last couple of days. Had a severe allergic reaction to a bee sting while at home (didn't realise I was allergic). Having just got back from 3 days of off track exploring (on foot!) I can see I've been pretty lucky.

As far as I can see a PLB with GPS is what I'll be needing, seeing as they don't exactly have an interface they all appear to be much of a muchness. Is there any brands that are particularly recommended/ features to look out for?

[GSers]

Dredging up quite an old thread here but it's become of more significance in the last couple of days. Had a severe allergic reaction to a bee sting while at home (didn't realise I was allergic). Having just got back from 3 days of off track exploring (on foot!) I can see I've been pretty lucky.

As far as I can see a PLB with GPS is what I'll be needing, seeing as they don't exactly have an interface they all appear to be much of a muchness. Is there any brands that are particularly recommended/ features to look out for?

If you are to buy an ACR model you are able to sign up to there web site and pay an annual fee then you are able to send I AM OK messages to an email account they still dont have it set up to send SMS (texts) to NZ cellphones yet. Not sure if other brands have this feature with them.
Google the ACR web site and have a look.I still haven't signed up yet but carry the PLB on all bike trips. Having been away for 6 days last month and leaving the other half at home and there being a spot on one of the bikes which she followed on the net she still got a bit worried when the spot stopped and we where not at our destination for the day. Long days 8am until 7pm. So who knows whats the best answer.
regards GSers

[buggsubique]

$655 or thereabouts seems to be the best price on trade me, but occasionally one pops up at $350ish and they're quickly snapped up if Buy Now used. Otherwise newish second hand ones drag out to around the $500 mark.

[CrazyFrog]

My workmate/riding buddy has just got a Spot tracker so is currently playing with message settings to suit his needs. It is nice and small, and easily fits into jacket pocket. He said I can use it on my solo ventures out in the back blocks :woohoo: so let the real adventuring begin. Nice to know assistance is only a button push away when you're out of cellphone coverage area.
His wife encouraged him to buy it after his incident in the Rainbow last week when he flipped his new Tenere and it landed on him, nearly popped him like a grape. Busted ribs, bad internal bruising but the hard little bugger still rode out to Hanmer then got a nice ambo ride to CHCH.

[Eddieb]

Resurrecting this thread as it's become a topic again following Mr Jatz accident, and cause I am considering getting one as well for other reasons.

[Jantar]

I bought a PLB from the States. The place I bought it from had it re-programmed for use in NZ, then when I registered it with our SAR I made note that it was primarily for use in my glider, but I would also carry it when motorcycling in the back country, and my wife may carry it when horse treking. SAR were more than happy to make those additional notes on its potential use.

Oh. Total price for buying and having it re-programmed was US$315.

[JATZ]

That is a pretty sharp price Jantar.
I was looking at one of these>> http://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/camping-outdoors/climbing-adventure/other/auction-461954114.htm
or possibly something like this >> http://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/kayaks-canoes/other/auction-460674256.htm

I think I'd prefer the P.L.B. with G.P.S. over a S.P.O.T. as it can be registered with S.A.R. which gives them an idea who they're searching for, also I'm pretty crap at paying subscriptions so SPOT is probly not going to work for me.

T.Y. T.I.A. G.B. :blink:

[Jantar]

Have a look at http://www.craggyaero.com/elt.htm

The KANNAD XS-4 PLB/With GPS is currently US$269. Add on postage and reprogramming and it will still be similar to what I paid.

[vegeman]

Good to see all the points being well covered (I'm an outdoor instructor for Mountain Safety Council). I carry a 406mhz (epirb, plb, elt, beacon...all moot now) whenever I go outdoors (bike, MTB, hunting etc), then like the others have wished that I could have remote com;s that wasn't urgent i.e. bike broke - help.

The Spot type is cool for covering emergency, as well as I need help, am ok...type of message.

More units are coming out with more flexibility for customizing messages etc...THEN the latest Satphone incorporates them all now.

For me, I think I'll be saving for one...as it achieves everything albeit still a tad expensive.


In summary, my mates have gone to fiordland for 10 days hunting and this year, they are taking the new Iridium Extreme phone....which has tested out very well. We have put it through some tests...and now the boys are doing it for real. (i'm unfortunately weather bitch)

These new units, are weatherproof, excellent battery, smaller and lighter, can receive FREE email to texts for people wanting to communicate with you, or SMS for .20c from vodafone. The now have Spot type function, and can transmit GPS location at regular intervals. Has a 'emergency' (epirb button now), so thats a one push help. Whats really cool about these new units is that they can driver more status updates from the satellites and service to let you know that the msg has got out which is very assuring for person who is needing help i.e. light goes red for acquiring position, yellow for sending, green that message has gone...very nice.

BUT...its still a phone, so you can call anywhere, and solve all com's issues... Sat acquisition for calls only requires one satellite, so boot up time is fast i.e. <10secs. the iridiums use the low earth orbit, moving sats...so they work everywhere on the planet.

Plans are more affordable, and while the units are still $2K...they are getting down to what I used to pay for the latest cellphones. You can rent these as well.

...

[Padmei]

INteresting. I've been putting off buying a PLB till I could communicate thru them. Sounds like in a few years they will be normal price.

[LBD]

I am happy with the spot messenger...great for tracking rides... and is there in an emergency...

http://www.spotadventures.com/trip/view?trip_id=295410

Under normal riding conditions I would not bother, but visiting remote locations at night I consider it good insurance

[Monstaman]

We have a spot 2 for our trip, useful for out in the boonies should shit happen.

We are also using it so our family and friends will be able to see where we are at.

www.spotwalla.com is the site linked with Gooooooogle maps, great technology we have available now.

[Rosie]

I bought a PLB from the States. The place I bought it from had it re-programmed for use in NZ, then when I registered it with our SAR I made note that it was primarily for use in my glider, but I would also carry it when motorcycling in the back country, and my wife may carry it when horse treking. SAR were more than happy to make those additional notes on its potential use.

Oh. Total price for buying and having it re-programmed was US$315.


That is a pretty sharp price Jantar.
I was looking at one of these>> http://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/camping-outdoors/climbing-adventure/other/auction-461954114.htm
or possibly something like this >> http://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/kayaks-canoes/other/auction-460674256.htm

I think I'd prefer the P.L.B. with G.P.S. over a S.P.O.T. as it can be registered with S.A.R. which gives them an idea who they're searching for, also I'm pretty crap at paying subscriptions so SPOT is probly not going to work for me.

T.Y. T.I.A. G.B. :blink:

*strokes chin thoughtfully* all useful info thanks.
A number of things had me thinking about PLBs during our recent South Island trip.
Even at <$400 out of the states, I'm not quite sure I can justify it... but it's getting closer to being a reasonable price.

[Phreaky Phil]

Good to see all the points being well covered (I'm an outdoor instructor for Mountain Safety Council). I carry a 406mhz (epirb, plb, elt, beacon...all moot now) whenever I go outdoors (bike, MTB, hunting etc), then like the others have wished that I could have remote com;s that wasn't urgent i.e. bike broke - help.

The Spot type is cool for covering emergency, as well as I need help, am ok...type of message.

More units are coming out with more flexibility for customizing messages etc...THEN the latest Satphone incorporates them all now.

For me, I think I'll be saving for one...as it achieves everything albeit still a tad expensive.


In summary, my mates have gone to fiordland for 10 days hunting and this year, they are taking the new Iridium Extreme phone....which has tested out very well. We have put it through some tests...and now the boys are doing it for real. (i'm unfortunately weather bitch)

These new units, are weatherproof, excellent battery, smaller and lighter, can receive FREE email to texts for people wanting to communicate with you, or SMS for .20c from vodafone. The now have Spot type function, and can transmit GPS location at regular intervals. Has a 'emergency' (epirb button now), so thats a one push help. Whats really cool about these new units is that they can driver more status updates from the satellites and service to let you know that the msg has got out which is very assuring for person who is needing help i.e. light goes red for acquiring position, yellow for sending, green that message has gone...very nice.

BUT...its still a phone, so you can call anywhere, and solve all com's issues... Sat acquisition for calls only requires one satellite, so boot up time is fast i.e. <10secs. the iridiums use the low earth orbit, moving sats...so they work everywhere on the planet.

Plans are more affordable, and while the units are still $2K...they are getting down to what I used to pay for the latest cellphones. You can rent these as well.

...Have you got more details on this phone ? Is this on the Iridium network or the Global Star ? In the past when I looked into the Iridium neywork, it had a high running cost, I think it was about $50US per month. If I can get a Sat Phone with a reasonable running cost I will be keen, especially using it overseas.

[buggsubique]

Hey does anyone know, or has anyone actually had an overseas EPIRB / PLB (ACR specifically) reprogrammed with the NZ country code (512 I think?). Jantar mentioned above that he had his done overseas on purchase from the supplier, but I have found GPS City to be really well priced at $US280 (http://www.gpscity.com/acr-resq-link-plb.html), but they seem to be saying it must be purchased in NZ for the NZ code. I'm waiting for a reply to this query from them as they are very well priced units.

Matt

[R650R]

Been looking at getting one of these as I often go mountain biking and sea kayaking by myself.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=500462211 KANNAD GPS PLB EMERGENCY BEACON NZ$ 569.

During the last big mountain bike crash down a bank, upside down in some blackberry the thought occured to me that it might be a good idea to position whatever device you have somewhere that you can reach it with restricted movement or injury.
For normal ride tracking to see where you've been the free google "my tracks" android app works well.

Like the satphone idea, seen some awhile ago around the $1250 mark. Trouble is then you can never tell the wife/mistress/boss that you were out of calling area/busy lol

[buggsubique]

As someone else pointed out here a PLB is no good if you can't reach it. For all my helo flying over here in Africa my EPIRB is kept in my thigh pocket on the combat trousers - hopefully arm's reach in a crash. When scuba diving a lot of people leave their gauges trailing behind / beside them and it can be difficult to snag them and pull them around front when they need to be read. I personally always run them through my chest strap so they are always directly in front of me and easy to grab.

When I get my PLB it will probably be strapped onto the front of my shoulder strap when I ride. That way should I have a broken back, shoulder, arm whatever, I should still be able to reach it with either hand. Additionally it will be plainly visible to any other riders assisting me after an accident and they can then activate it if I am unable.

A good practice is to always keep the same stuff in the same place so it becomes habit for checking before a ride, and becomes instinctive to find - even in the dark if you have to.

[ADVGD]

Hey does anyone know, or has anyone actually had an overseas EPIRB / PLB (ACR specifically) reprogrammed with the NZ country code (512 I think?). Jantar mentioned above that he had his done overseas on purchase from the supplier, but I have found GPS City to be really well priced at $US280 (http://www.gpscity.com/acr-resq-link-plb.html), but they seem to be saying it must be purchased in NZ for the NZ code. I'm waiting for a reply to this query from them as they are very well priced units.

Matt

Each country has an individual 406 code. When you purchase a 406 MHz distress beacon, make sure it is coded for New Zealand. The New Zealand Country Code is 512. If you buy one from overseas or over the Internet, it could be an expensive mistake. When an overseas beacon is activated in New Zealand, the satellite may notify the wrong rescue coordination centre, which could mean a long, potentially life-threatening delay in your rescue.


This may also be of use

ELT - Emergency Locator Transmitters are distress beacons that are fixed in aircraft.
EPIRB - Emergency Position-Indicating Radio Beacons are for maritime use and designed to float
upright in water. They may be fully automatic, auto & manual or fully manually operated.
PLB - Personal Locator Beacons may be used as personal distress beacons in all environments. They
are not designed to float upright in water but may be carried to supplement a vessel’s EPIRB. They are
designed to be carried on your person and are manually operated.

Tony at Kiwi GPS (http://kiwigps.co.nz/)is a good option if you have questions, I purchased an ACR ResQLink PLB through him, his prices are very good

Cheers

Josh

[Gremlin]

I carry one of these: http://www.gme.net.au/products/emergency-beacons/plbs/MT410G I do put it in my luggage however, as being a big device, it could cause some serious injury if I had it on my person.

Also did a small eval between spot and plb here: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/entry.php/2290-Buying-stuff-you%E2%80%99ll-hopefully-never-need-%2829-09-2011%29

[buggsubique]

Well I have found a place in NZ that will reprogramme to NZ 512 for $80. So this means that from the states I can get a GPSMAP 62SC, Ram Mount and an ACR PLB for around $900.

I do believe I will... I'll order on Monday or thereabouts. PM me if you want a beacon for yourself included in my purchase for cost and a proportional slice of the freight. Link is a couple of posts above to see the product.

Matt

[Kenb]

http://www.torpedo7.co.nz/products/JRELENNRG/title/acr-resqlink-personal-locator-beacon--plb-gps--with-free-strobe-light

[R650R]

The Kannard one is also on special at T7 at moment. I went with GME one after doing the coastgaurd VHF course, has 7 year battery for about same price. Something I picked up from them about VHF radio/Epirbs/PLB vs cellphones in emergency was the following: If you phone 111 for help you need to 1) que with all the other calls. 2) be able to speak (ever had a good hit in the ribs etc) and describe location 3) As police are footing the bill for rescue they have to establish first the level of the emergency before expensive resources like helicopters or coastgaurd boats are dispatched.
When an Epirb or PLB activates it goes straight to RCCNZ who control and dispatch SAR resources. That five or ten minute delay in the chopper taking off might be the vital difference between life and death or closing weather conditions.

[Phreaky Phil]

If you go down the Spot route, have a look in the US for them cheap. I saw them for $99 US when we were there.

[Monstaman]

If you go down the Spot route, have a look in the US for them cheap. I saw them for $99 US when we were there.

Morning chaps, my bike is broken again so I have some net time to catch up on RR's and check in on you lot!!!

We bought our spot2 for $53.04 from best buy, it is grey though not KTM orange but for the price it matched the colour of my bike and wallet :cool:

The ram mount was $30.00 and the best thing we coulda done as the floppy case fell apart, also Dutchmans temp gauge, a food and bev gauge .. perfect redneck solution

[NordieBoy]

Morning chaps, my bike is broken again so I have some net time to catch up on RR's and check in on you lot!!!

I don't know, some people are just too big and ham fisted for their own good.

What have you done to poor Hobbit now?

[Monstaman]

I don't know, some people are just too big and ham fisted for their own good.

What have you done to poor Hobbit now?

The stealership who fitted 3rd gear and the new shaft misaligned the oil ports holes so a lack if oil was being had .... hopefully this is the last time it has to come apart for this or next time it will be on ebay. :mad:

[Eddieb]

If anyone is selling a spot CHEAP pm me.

[NordieBoy]

If anyone is selling a spot CHEAP pm me.

Define "CHEAP"...

[Eddieb]

Define "CHEAP"...

Take your version of cheap, add in some Scottish ancestry and factor in that it's Christmas and everyone is feeling skint.

You could try me with an offer if you have one.

[NordieBoy]

Take your version of cheap, add in some Scottish ancestry and factor in that it's Christmas and everyone is feeling skint.

You could try me with an offer if you have one.

I paid $90 which satisfied the Scottish/Irish ancestry.

It also came with batteries which satisfied the DR owner in me too...

[NordieBoy]

Just got a new, unopened Spot 2 on TradeMe for $100.

Smaller than the Spot 1, a couple more buttons makes it a bit easier to use and can pick up the GPS satellites a bit more quickly.

I've been using the Spot on all the rides I've been doing and Vic has been using it when out tramping/hunting. Me likey.

[Eddieb]

Just got a new, unopened Spot 2 on TradeMe for $100.

Smaller than the Spot 1, a couple more buttons makes it a bit easier to use and can pick up the GPS satellites a bit more quickly.

I've been using the Spot on all the rides I've been doing and Vic has been using it when out tramping/hunting. Me likey.

Good score. I've been using mine on the rides I've been leading in Wellington as well.
http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0vHpZ9pTSiAOsqquDSyn1FBE8XqSkjd jb

[NordieBoy]

Finally arrived!
Quite a bit smaller...
The battery life is a lot less but is still very good. Just not as amazing as on the original...

[Padmei]

your feet smell.

[NordieBoy]

your feet smell.

Not with my new Route 7 CoolMax (http://www.torpedo7.co.nz/products/R7SCSN0BS/title/route-7-coolmax-bike-socks---2-pack) socks from Torpedo7 (http://www.torpedo7.co.nz) they don't.

On sale for $10 for 2 pairs.

:2thumbsup

[ADVGD]

Finally arrived!
Quite a bit smaller...

I just can't take product reviews seriously unless they are photographed in a hammock :p


The battery life is a lot less but is still very good. Just not as amazing as on the original...

But seriously, whats up with everything going smaller at the detriment of battery life??? The way things are going by 2019 all electronic devices will be the size of a matchbox and have a 3 1/2 minute battery life :scratch:

[NordieBoy]

I just can't take product reviews seriously unless they are photographed in a hammock :p
Of course I was in the hammock, I was eating dinner :rolleyes:

Activated it on the webpage, turned it on, hit the OK button and 1 minute later, there was an email waiting :niceone:

I'll see how it goes in the hills tomorrow in the same areas I got 4 track points out in 3.5hrs last weekend.

[NordieBoy]

The way things are going by 2019 all electronic devices will be the size of a matchbox and have a 3 1/2 minute battery life :scratch:

Nope. They'll all be built into your phone.

Which will have a 3 1/2 min battery life...

[neels]

Having a play with these at work next week, seeing what is a good option for when you bin the work truck down a bank and need to call for help.

The two we are looking at are the spot, and one of these (http://www.alwaysinreach.co.nz/index.php/product-info) , a bit expensive, but lots more functionality that the spot, will report back when some experimenting has been done...

[Padmei]

They look to be a great idea. Didn't quite get the coverage thing tho - if you are paired to a smartphone out of normaal phone coverage does it use satellite phone type stuff - if so does it cost more? Do you pay for tracking like spot does?

[NordieBoy]

Spot Connect does something similar. Uses a smartphone to create the messages sent through the Connect.

[NordieBoy]

Do you pay for tracking like spot does?

Looks like you pay for each text and each track point...

[NordieBoy]

Well. Today I got 6 track points recorded over 2 1/2 hrs of riding with the Spot 2.
No better than the 1. Or to put it another way, the 1 gets just as many track points out as the 2.
This is probably the harshest terrain type to test it in though. Heavy canopy, steep gullys, frequent turns.

Just for the size difference, it's a winner, although the 1 comes with a belt clip which is really useful.
Why the hell didn't they put a belt clip on the 2? Would have made it almost perfect.

[NordieBoy]

31 track points today covering from 8:22am to 5:00pm.

Reasonable, considering the terrain.

An OK message I sent did not go through even though that was back in the pits and the spot was on the ground for 15mins.

More testing to be done...


EDIT: The OK message did get through. Pretty damn accurate for where I was too.

[chasio]

Slight dredge, but...

I am thinking of getting a floating PLB to cover both kayaking and adventuring.

The ResQlink with the "I'm OK" message seems about perfect (no annual fee unlike Spot) and an NZ coded one comes in at $373 delivered from skippersmate.com.au (http://www.skippersmate.com.au/acr-resqlink-406mhz-plb-nz-only-1/?setCurrencyId=3). Best price I can find locally is $549.

Has anyone got any experience of Skipper's Mate?

Cheers - Chasio

Edit - it is NOT NZ coded but rather Aus encoded.

[ADVGD]

Slight dredge, but...

I am thinking of getting a floating PLB to cover both kayaking and adventuring.

The ResQlink with the "I'm OK" message seems about perfect (no annual fee unlike Spot) and an NZ coded one comes in at $373 delivered from skippersmate.com.au (http://www.skippersmate.com.au/acr-resqlink-406mhz-plb-nz-only-1/?setCurrencyId=3). Best price I can find locally is $549.

Has anyone got any experience of Skipper's Mate?

Cheers - Chasio

There is a small monthly fee for the ResQlink with texting feature. Quoting websellers:

"Optional Subscription Service: Increase the functionality of your ReQLink™ PLB with optional 406Link non-emergency messaging service. Send I'm OK Messages and GPS Location Maps. For complete information, click here. http://www.406link.com/plans.aspx"

I use the ResQlink (without text messaging) for riding/tramping/fishing. Thankfully I haven't had to activate it as yet but I chose this unit based on its reputation, the fact it is the smallest on the market plus the fact it is yellow lends itself well to me being classed as a "Summer skin tone" therefore I look remarkably handsome while holding it :)

[chasio]

There is a small monthly fee for the ResQlink with texting feature. Quoting websellers:

"Optional Subscription Service: Increase the functionality of your ReQLink™ PLB with optional 406Link non-emergency messaging service. Send I'm OK Messages and GPS Location Maps. For complete information, click here. http://www.406link.com/plans.aspx"

I use the ResQlink (without text messaging) for riding/tramping/fishing. Thankfully I haven't had to activate it as yet but I chose this unit based on its reputation, the fact it is the smallest on the market plus the fact it is yellow lends itself well to me being classed as a "Summer skin tone" therefore I look remarkably handsome while holding it :)

Ah yes, good "spot" on the fee :) But is it optional as you infer, unlike the Spot. I like the idea of yellow for when I put it down and can't find it while I'm packing... Nothing will make me more handsome. (Interpret this as you wish.)

The Skippers Mate outfit seem pretty genuine, going by their web signature and the initiatives they are involved in (although one can always always be mistaken). Pretty tempting to give them a whirl at that sort of saving.

[R650R]

FCO in NZ have been doing some great specials for awhile now on these... http://www.fco.co.nz/online-store/products/GME-406mHz-GPS-Receiver.aspx?pid=293495&menuFrom=3103364#Cross

[NordieBoy]

Just had a Gen3 Spot arrive today.
Short review to follow when I can remember where I packed the hammock...

[Padmei]

How much & where from?
Is the only diff the auto motion tracking start thing?

Edit: saw longer battery life & battery options - are they built in & you charge them usually or take in & out & replace?

What do you guys have as your non emergency but need help message?

I keep meaning to get one but keep putting it off.

[BoristheBiter]

How much & where from?
Is the only diff the auto motion tracking start thing?

Edit: saw longer battery life & battery options - are they built in & you charge them usually or take in & out & replace?

What do you guys have as your non emergency but need help message?

I keep meaning to get one but keep putting it off.

This is the one i have. Haven't used it and the battery is still charged. didn't pay that price as they always have a sale.
http://www.burnsco.co.nz/ProductDetail?CategoryId=39&ProductId=2713&Colour=0000000428
Non emergency is phone. ride to somewhere i get signal, if i can't ride the bike it will be button pressing time.
Or get a sat phone.
http://www.marine-deals.co.nz/satellite-phones/inmarsat-isatphone-pro-satellite-phone

[RMOTO]

How much & where from?
Is the only diff the auto motion tracking start thing?

Edit: saw longer battery life & battery options - are they built in & you charge them usually or take in & out & replace?

What do you guys have as your non emergency but need help message?

I keep meaning to get one but keep putting it off.

And the award for most questions in a short post goes to Craig, well done my friend :p

I don't use messaging at the moment, just a PLB, however I am in the middle of a new screen and dash design and I will be getting a Gen3 Spot and mounting it in the dash as the messaging is a convenience

[pomgolian]

How much & where from?
Is the only diff the auto motion tracking start thing?

Edit: saw longer battery life & battery options - are they built in & you charge them usually or take in & out & replace?

What do you guys have as your non emergency but need help message?

I keep meaning to get one but keep putting it off.

Had one a few months now - mine was $ 200 landed inc RAM mount inc freight NZD i think, its small enough to go into the card holder clear pocket on my jacket sleeve so its easily accessible. GPS City

Messages you can have three plus SOS which are easy to change which can go to multiple email & phone text messages that have a link to google maps (think its google) from the email to give them your location, so easy for the wife and son if they gets my "OK but need someone to come get me" or "OK running late see ya laterz" best bit is it warns you if the message has been sent or not and of the dozen so far every one has been received.

Batteries seem to last for ages still on the original 4 AAA energizer ultimate lithium's which came with it and i have used it for probably seven full days or so either biking or fishing. Plus you can run it off a USB power from the bike. When these batteries die i will get some rechargeable AAA's

[NordieBoy]

How much & where from?
Is the only diff the auto motion tracking start thing?
TradeMe $200 brand new.
Originally got from the states from REI via that NZ Post thingy for $180us + postage.


Edit: saw longer battery life & battery options - are they built in & you charge them usually or take in & out & replace?
4 AAA batteries vs 3 in the Gen2 and double the battery life. Will also run on NiMH rechargeables and can be powered (not charged) by a micro USB cable.


What do you guys have as your non emergency but need help message?
On the spot website you can set up profiles. I've got one for motorbike adventuring, mtbing, work and had some set up for Vic for hunting.
The differences were in the messages for help, emergency, OK and the other OK one and who the messages got emailed/txt'd to.

On the motorbike, the help message is "No emergency, just need a trailer". The ok message is "Just checking in " and the spare message is "On my way back".
Vic's profile had the 2nd message as "Spending another day".


i keep meaning to get one but keep putting it off.
The only difference between the Gen2 and 3 for me, is with the 3, tracking is not optional.
I'm not interested in the motion detecting tracking or the other tracking intervals.

My Gen2 is for sale now.

[Padmei]

text sent re spot.

[NordieBoy]

Visual comparison...

Keeping it all fruity...
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/28/6umatyme.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/28/su4uzypy.jpg

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/28/huze2aja.jpg

[umopom]

Been using a SPOT for a couple of years and wouldn't be without it. Big and important difference between EPIRB and a SPOT is the tracking function (extra $ per year) - an EPIRB only helps if you are able to press the button! SPOT tracks you every 10 mins and leaves a snail trail - so serious offs and you can still be found. The other functions are great as well - on longer trips just format the OK button and you can send "end of the day and ok" messages to those that might give a shit! Other advantage is that they can be wired into a USB socket and run off the biks power - no lithium batteries. RAM mounts do a cradle for all of the variants. Even though the response centre is in the US there is very little delay in getting the NZ teams out to you - lots of good feedback out there. Cost now less than US$100.
Cheers
JC

[Eddieb]

I've thought about renting my Spot 2 out seeing as I'm not using it.

[NordieBoy]

Other advantage is that they can be wired into a USB socket and run off the biks power - no lithium batteries.
Yep, the Gen3 will run off USB power and also can take NiMH batteries, not just lithium's.

(Hopefully printer is still working)

[Underground]

I'm tracking one of these thingys that is on a yacht in the middle of the Tasman........nice being able to track them in real time in the comfort of my own home then check out the weather patterns to see what sort of a day they are having.
Should really have one I spose, quite expensive annual fee though isnt there?

[NordieBoy]

About $200nz per year inc tracking.

[vegeman]

With my TAT planning, and other thoughts for remote comm's...I've put an order in to get one of the iridium GO.

For me, I think the GO is the right concept...so we will see how it pans out, but the concept is bang on.

It's highly likely that 90% of the time, there will be cellular coverage so my iphone will be with me, and it has all my contacts, email SMS etc, so the iridium simply provides a wifi hotspot to work with its smartphone app, allowing voice calls, sms etc. Before anyone freaks out with the thought of a data capable wifi service via satellites and the expense, or the low bandwidth...don't, it's just a tool and if used properly then it should be a great solution.

The monthly cost should be about $40 NZD per month, purchase price ...not sure but around$800 USD

They are due at the end of the month, so I'll let you know how it GO's ...ha

V

[Box'a'bits]

Just bought a RescueMe PLB1 (http://www.oceansignal.com/product.php?id=22), about the smallest PLB you can currently buy. Cheap insurance I reckon.

From reading back on what people were originally quoting as the price of PLBs in this thread, it looks like overall the cost of these things has taken a dive. Seen some GMEs down to $440. The ACR ResQLink 375 was $450 (lowest).

Basically I've bought this one for Mandy's piece of mind. Now I just need to figure out where I'm going to carry it so that: It's secure; It won't get damaged if I take a tumble; I can reach it if I am injured.

Did think about the Spot - but the subscription & the lower no of satellite's (reliability) put me off. I did like the idea of breadcrumbs, which would have meant that if I disappeared then at least some one would have an area to search....

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Same here, bought the PLB1 a couple of weeks ago, choose that one because of its size and battery life as my overriding preference to cost. The PLB does have the homing signal which is a nice thing for when GPS location is reflecting off stuff or under cover making it less accurate, spot doesn't support that feature as far as I can see.
Since it's all or nothing with the PLB with no 'just checking in' or a no rush, non life threatening assistance required button I might still get some kind of tracking/two way satellite communicator like the spot at a later date, but more likely to do that if they get a pre paid kind of thing going where I'm not still paying for a subscription even while it's not being used.