Rules re engine mods?

[Scotty595]

Hey,

Am looking at what option i should go down for a bucket engine. I am just trying to clarify the rules regarding engine modifications. What are the rules regarding larger cylinders/pistons on an engine. ie if i got a 100cc engine and put a 125 top end on it?

Scott

[Henk]

It's all in the MNZ rulebook. I'd recommend you download a copy and get familiar with it.
As far as I'm aware you can do pretty much anything you like as long as you don't use any competition engine parts so no MX, go cart or RS125 engine bits. You can slap a 125 top end on a 100 as long as it falls withing those rules. So a DR125 top end would be OK but CR parts aren't as an example.

[Deano]

From my experience in racing in NZ, it seems to be whatever you can get away with. I have heard so many stories about mods done that are in breach of MNZ rules.

[bucketracer]

The MNZ rulebook

F4 rules http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/download/Chapter_24_Miniature_Road_Racing.pdf

And the complete list http://www.mnz.co.nz/competitionrules.aspx

[Scotty595]

It's all in the MNZ rulebook. I'd recommend you download a copy and get familiar with it.
As far as I'm aware you can do pretty much anything you like as long as you don't use any competition engine parts so no MX, go cart or RS125 engine bits. You can slap a 125 top end on a 100 as long as it falls withing those rules. So a DR125 top end would be OK but CR parts aren't as an example.

How do you classify competition parts over just normal performance parts?

[Scotty595]

I had a look over the rule book before i posted but still was a bit confused about the competition parts etc

[bucketracer]

Some where Skunk has posted a list of eligible bikes/engines

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[Scotty595]

Some where Skunk has posted a list of eligible bikes/engines

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This one (http://www.bucketracing.co.nz/bucketlist.php) ????

[Henk]

How do you classify competition parts over just normal performance parts?

I think the way it works is that if the donor bike is intended as a race bike it's out. So soggy old trail bikes like XR200s are fair game but MXers aren't road bike bits are a bit easier, if you could register it you're fine. If you could use anything that fell within the capacity restrictions we'd have quite a few RS125 frames with CRF150 engines in them by now at a guess.

[Scotty595]

This one (http://www.bucketracing.co.nz/bucketlist.php) ????

So if i got one of them on the list (lets say for example the TZR50 or RG50) and put a 80/100cc top end on it, would that be legal?

[Henk]

That will depend mainly on where the top end comes from.

[Bert]

I had a look over the rule book before i posted but still was a bit confused about the competition parts etc

I'm sure others will have a lot to say on this matter (and generally do). Basically the classes (f4 & F5) are sourced from non-competition bikes i.e. small road bikes & farm bikes. Originally summed up as no aftermarket parts or performance part + racing parts (the challenge was to build something out of nothing – review the history of bucket racing and you will find that it all started on/around our Air force bases and is somewhat about engineering more than $$$); other the years this had been some what diluted: but the rules still stand for the following:
The motor chassis and transmission (i.e. what it stated its life as).
The rest is quite open:

24-2-4 Engines must be derived from non-competition motorcycles. Motocross, Road Racing,
Enduro and Go Kart motors and transmission parts are not permitted.
There shall be no restriction on the make, type or design of carburettor, ignition, exhaust, piston cam, valve springs or cooling system except for class eligibility.
All engines must be normally aspirated except F4 4 stroke engines of less than 100cc capacity, which may be turbo or supercharged.

F4 2 stroke engines over 104cc are restricted to carburation equivalent to a single 24mm
carburettor,

though not fully defined in the rules: aftermarket / performance parts are somewhat frond upon i.e. boyson reeds / hot rods cranks etc (as they could be deemed as a race parts) which fall back into rule clearly stating non competition source.
parts like pistons / chambers / electrics (24-2-4 defines this list) are open slather to after market parts or performance parts if it is on the list in 24-2-4.

if you want to chuck a 125cc two stroke barrel on to a 100cc chassis you can (I'm assuming you are thinking of a TS125 barrel onto a TS100 or something like that), the rules clearly states that it has to be air cooled and has to have a carb no bigger than 24mm and start its life as a non-competition motorcycle, there is no limit to the engineering that could be undertaken. I would recommend reading through all of ESE's tread about what they are doing with the GP125s all within the rules & some great ideas.

blabla sorry this has got quite long in terms of such a short question.

[bucketracer]

So if i got one of them on the list (lets say for example the TZR50 or RG50) and put a 80/100cc top end on it, would that be legal?

The best way to stay legal and be competitive is to get yourself a Suzuki GP, everything else is pretty much a wast of time .......... ;)

[Scotty595]

That will depend mainly on where the top end comes from.

So if it was an aftermarket top end - ie didnt come off a bike originally it would be a no?

BUt you could essentially take a top end off a road bike, and engineer it to be exactly the same as said aftermarket top end, and it would all be legal?

[Henk]

That's pretty much it.

[bucketracer]

BUt you could essentially take a top end off a road bike, and engineer it to be exactly the same as said aftermarket top end, and it would all be legal?

If you could do that you would be a living legend..........

[Scotty595]

If you could do that you would be a living legend..........

I can always try! :D

[bucketracer]

I can always try! :D

For engine/bike builders, and there are some handy ones, that's pretty much what bucketing is about..................:laugh:

[Skunk]

For engine/bike builders, and there are some handy ones, that's pretty much what bucketing is about..................:laugh:KE bottom end, RG400 barrel is legal. Can't remember the head....

[RMS eng]

The best way to stay legal and be competitive is to get yourself a Suzuki GP, everything else is pretty much a wast of time .......... ;)

has a GP125 won any races in A grade at Mt wellington,or a GP race over the years?.best thing for a GP125 is a RG400 cylinder.

[TZ350]

has a GP125 won any races in A grade at Mt wellington

The ESE engines are plenty fast enough but to win in A grade takes a top A grade rider, Dave M came close to wining a race or two with some very brave rides on a borrowed ESE bike but the std GP's handling let him down.

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[ajturbo]

just go out and get a STD bike to race... pull EVERYTHING off until it stops...put that last bit back.. race it for a couple of meets, THEN start modding it.... starting with tires... then work up from there...

[F5 Dave]

. . . best thing for a GP125 is a RG400 cylinder.
. . . Complete with a Kawi bottom end /6 speed gearbox

[Skunk]

. . . Complete with a Kawi bottom end /6 speed gearboxLike I said... so simple I'm surprised everyone's not doing it.

[F5 Dave]

Don't start them, there will be a rush on parts with skyrocketing prices followed some months later by some trademe firesales & a slump in price when they realise that they don't bolt together. Either that or RMS will set up a production line & get rich pumping out replicas.

Rich off bucket racers, yeah right. . .

[Schrgd]

just go out and get a STD bike to race... pull EVERYTHING off until it stops...put that last bit back.. race it for a couple of meets, THEN start modding it.... starting with tires... then work up from there...

I think this seems to be the go with some of the current breed of bucket racers, (myself included), Just my order is outta whack, got tyres , but haven't pulled everything off as yet. but getting there. If anyone has more money than cents(Max before he changed class) it would be interesting to see how the new yamaha R1 25r competed against the rest. Meant to be pretty good outta the box just prohibitly expensive at this stage. But watching the dva I am!!

J

[Scotty595]

Hmmmm... I have a spare RGV150 Bottom end sitting at home - could i Bolt anything up to this? - actually, thinking about it i have a RGV cylinder too (dont know what condition it is in after my piston exploded in it lol)

[jasonu]

RG400 top end on a KE125 bottom end.
Bolted together in about 10 minutes after a bit of fileing and some bogg...

[F5 Dave]

You mean an RG150 bottom end? Yes that would fit an RGV250 cylinder. But of course be excluded as watercooled 125 as a cursory examination of the rules will point out. (unless you sleeve it down or do some hoady air cooled conversion).

If you mean RGV150 then it won't fit , wouldn't have an inlet for a carburetor & of course would still be illegally large.

Or do a sleeve on an RGV150 aircooled down to 125. I've done that & there was another.

[Scotty595]

You mean an RG150 bottom end? Yes that would fit an RGV250 cylinder. But of course be excluded as watercooled 125 as a cursory examination of the rules will point out. (unless you sleeve it down or do some hoady air cooled conversion).

If you mean RGV150 then it won't fit , wouldn't have an inlet for a carburetor to fit & of course would still be illegally large.

It is an RGV150... so the aircooled version. So there is nothin I could bolt on to it (a 125)??? Either that or is it easy enough to sleeve them down to 125?

[F5 Dave]

You might modify a TS barrel, but that would have to remove the reed inlet. Far better to buy a TS100 & transplant the RGV150 gearbox as 6 speed (Very likely will fit). I sleeved a 150. Cost a bunch more than I thought it would. I'd buy another engine, even a TS would be easier.

[Scotty595]

Ahh well... guess will just look at something else then.

[Shorty_925]

RG400 top end on a KE125 bottom end.
Bolted together in about 10 minutes after a bit of fileing and some bogg...

Nice RM500 in the background!!

[jasonu]

That was a mates bike.
I owned this until recently

[Scotty595]

That was a mates bike.
I owned this until recently

I swear that was a picture with a guy standing next to it a minute ago :s

[k14]

The ESE engines are plenty fast enough but to win in A grade takes a top A grade rider, Dave M came close to wining a race or two with some very brave rides on a borrowed ESE bike but the std GP's handling let him down.
Or in other words, GP125's are hard to tune and handle like crap?

By an fxr and be done with it mate :)

[TZ350]

Or in other words, they are hard to tune and handle like crap?

By an fxr and be done with it mate :)

An Fxr is sure a quick and easy option, and to be recomended if quick and easy is what you need. :sleep:

The GP, not so hard to tune but at the end of the day they do handle like crap :angry2: and we havn't figured out how to get them good yet, :wacko: but we will.
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[Scotty595]

Or in other words, GP125's are hard to tune and handle like crap?

By an fxr and be done with it mate :)

I like two strokes though:crybaby:

[bucketracer]

I like two strokes though:crybaby:

2-Strokes have that snap crackle pop......wow factor that pedestrian FXR's lack.....FXR's are like that girl :wavey: your mum wanted you to go out with.....no excitment at all....

Get a GP100 22.5 rwhp that handles like shit, it might spank your arse...........:devil2:.......but you won't be bored.........

[Scotty595]

2-Strokes have that snap crackle pop......wow factor that pedestrian FXR's lack.....FXR's are like that girl your mum wanted you to go out with.....no excitment at all....

Exactly. They are like the milk on my cerial, or the butter on my toast, or... i could go on... but i wont

[ajturbo]

I think this seems to be the go with some of the current breed of bucket racers,

J

CURRENT????????????????

WTF???????

i did that about 20years ago when i first started down this sorry path...

[TZ350]

best thing for a GP125 is a RG400 cylinder.

Engines fitted with RG400 cylinders, I had a look at Jasonu's bike at Taupo, very neat instalation, I liked it. Does anyone know how many were made and what power output and reliability others got from theirs?

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[TZ350]

..FXR's are like that girl :wavey: your mum wanted you to go out with.....no excitment at all....

Get a GP, it might spank your arse...........:devil2:...

It's your mum who might spank "your" arse

[Pumba]

2-Strokes have that snap crackle pop......wow factor that pedestrian FXR's lack.....FXR's are like that girl :wavey: your mum wanted you to go out with.....no excitment at all....

Get a GP100 22.5 rwhp that handles like shit, it might spank your arse...........:devil2:.......but you won't be bored.........

Your arse got more than a spanking at Taupo :whistle:

[woodyracer]

h0ws the arm,wrist pumba??, our pitshed seemed to atract crashes, with andy getting badly hurt, me sliding along the track like a clumsy ice skater and you arm. All good fun though.

Bucketracer, thanks for letting me use your drill, and pieces, thanks to you i was able to race and get 5th. -Max

[Shorty_925]

That was a mates bike.
I owned this until recently

Check out the size of that rear sprocket!! Brillant machine all the same.

[Schrgd]

Originally Posted by Schrgd
I think this seems to be the go with some of the current breed of bucket racers,

J
CURRENT????????????????

WTF???????

i did that about 20years ago when i first started down this sorry path...


Sorry but I was more referring to the large amount of fxr's, and now cbr's that some say are against the spirit of buckets for various reasons, cost mainly. To the piont where some place's have put them in there own class there are that many.

How many model specific classes were around twenty years ago? I was om dirt then so am not to sure, but am interested all the same.

[F5 Dave]

Engines fitted with RG400 cylinders, I had a look at Jasonu's bike at Taupo, very neat instalation, I liked it. Does anyone know how many were made and what power output and reliability others got from theirs?

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3 in current workable existence as far as I know. Have all been pretty reliable, I won't comment on power but Jason's is pretty indicative of a good one (when its going properly, not misrepresented by my half arsed philandering).

[jasonu]

Engines fitted with RG400 cylinders, I had a look at Jasonu's bike at Taupo, very neat instalation, I liked it. Does anyone know how many were made and what power output and reliability others got from theirs?

.

I've got enough stuff to make another.
What is it worth to you???

[jasonu]

3 in current workable existence as far as I know. Have all been pretty reliable, I won't comment on power but Jason's is pretty indicative of a good one (when its going properly, not misrepresented by my half arsed philandering).

Mine, Jimmys and ???
You can't count Kens it's a KV. A different (older) animal. Nice rig though.

[Scotty595]

I've got enough stuff to make another.
What is it worth to you???

What sort of power would you get from one of these? *EDIT: "could you get?" and also "is normal without too mcuh effort?"

[Yow Ling]

What sort of power would you get from one of these? *EDIT: "could you get?" and also "is normal without too mcuh effort?"

I think u miss the point , with these engines you get no power without too much effort, they arent like assembling a wharhouse bmx bike, they even harder than that

[jasonu]

What sort of power would you get from one of these?

I have 2 pipes. It makes 22rwhp with one and 25 with the other. I posted the dyno sheets on ESE's thread if you are interested.
Just so you know, to make one of these is a HUGE undertakeing and therefore not cheap. You could probably buy 2 average (ie not good enough to win a serious race) complete running buckets for the same $'s
Re. when F5Dave said 'when it is going properly' it pretty much sat for 10+ years and we tried to race it at the last GP with almost no prep. Before that it was totally reliable.

[Scotty595]

I have 2 pipes. It makes 22rwhp with one and 25 with the other. I posted the dyno sheets on ESE's thread if you are interested.
Just so you know, to make one of these is a HUGE undertakeing and therefore not cheap. You could probably buy 2 average (ie not good enough to win a serious race) complete running buckets for the same $'s

Wow. Thats pretty good power. I wouldn't think it was cheap. Will have a check of the dyno sheets

[speedpro]

Mine, Jimmys and ???
You can't count Kens it's a KV. A different (older) animal. Nice rig though.

Pretty sure Peter's was the same, the one F5 had for a bit. They are lots of work for sure - welding cases, machining, cranks and rods, cutting and welding head and cylinder, water pump, radiator and plumbing, ignition. The Steadman's were onto a good thing and I still rate them as one of the best bucket engines possible. i've given two of them a good thrashing at the 2 hour races and they were awesome to ride. I'm guessing they make about 22-24hp after comparing them to my old MB in a race.

[ajturbo]

Originally Posted by Schrgd
I think this seems to be the go with some of the current breed of bucket racers,

J
CURRENT????????????????

WTF???????

i did that about 20years ago when i first started down this sorry path...


Sorry but I was more referring to the large amount of fxr's, and now cbr's that some say are against the spirit of buckets for various reasons, cost mainly. To the piont where some place's have put them in there own class there are that many.

How many model specific classes were around twenty years ago? I was om dirt then so am not to sure, but am interested all the same.

2 classes only...>50cc and >100cc.....(including the 4stroked 125cc)

[Schrgd]

2 classes only...>50cc and >100cc.....(including the 4stroked 125cc)

How many model specific classes???????????????????

[jasonu]

2 classes only...>50cc and >100cc.....(including the 4stroked 125cc)

And B grade and sidecars. When I started bucketting (early 90's) there was about 6 sidecars at Mt Welli. The sidecar GP at Ohakea was always fun to watch 10+ machines.

[ajturbo]

How many model specific classes???????????????????


thats my point.. there were non

[jasonu]

Mine, Jimmys and ???
You can't count Kens it's a KV. A different (older) animal. Nice rig though.

I ment Peters KV. Kens rat motor is no more.

[F5 Dave]

Yes I meant the KV as no.3 but they aren't that different bottom end wise are they?

[bucketracer]

Bucketracer, thanks for letting me use your drill, and pieces, thanks to you i was able to race and get 5th. -Max

Hi Max, it was my Dad TeeZee that helped you out, I was hanging out watching my brother Buckets4me, Zebra and the rest of the gang racing, glad to hear you got a good place and enjoyed yourself.

[NSR143]

i think when you look at the rules 'derived' has some importance. we had a guy running a CRF150R (not F) piston in a CB engine.. probably OK by the rules and not a huge advantage given it probably did not suit the head well anyway, but very cool to talk about in the pits. It's mostly fun and no one protests much if at all, some high strung 2 strokes around are very race orientated but then they cost more to get the power in time and money. Personally i would like to see a full on 85cc MX (or CRF150R)engine class within F4.

[F5 Dave]

Oh dear we've covered this ad infinitum ad nauseum. Would skyrocket prices as MX bikes are shcrapnel before they get to a wrecker so you'd have to buy a going bike, then the bikes would get newer etc etc.

The class as is works well & has done for well over 20 years.

[Henk]

Much as I like the idea of mx based buckets I haveto agree that it would turn into a chequebook based arms race. Mind you the RS125 chassis with the aprilla 550 motor running in F3 at Taupo was a cool piece of kit so there are other classes to pursue this concept in already.

[Buckets4Me]

Much as I like the idea of mx based buckets I haveto agree that it would turn into a chequebook based arms race. Mind you the RS125 chassis with the aprilla 550 motor running in F3 at Taupo was a cool piece of kit so there are other classes to pursue this concept in already.

there is also talk of a SUPER bucket class coming
mind you it's only talk and been going on for a few years
30-40hp buckets :) around MtWellington

[jasonu]

Would skyrocket prices as MX bikes are shcrapnel before they get to a wrecker so you'd have to buy a going bike, then the bikes would get newer etc etc.

The class as is works well & has done for well over 20 years.[/QUOTE]

I totally agree. (although I have always wanted to ride a late model MX powered bucket...)

[SS90]

An Fxr is sure a quick and easy option, and to be recomended if quick and easy is what you need. :sleep:

The GP, not so hard to tune but at the end of the day they do handle like crap :angry2: and we havn't figured out how to get them good yet, :wacko: but we will.
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O.K, I'll put my 2€'s in.....

It's my understanding that most of the ESE (what does ESE stand for by the way) team has RS125 framed,GP125 powered buckets.........

Has Dave Manule (sp) tried one of these?

When I was riding a TZ250, Dave was riding the shit out of an old RS250 (leaving far more modern machinery behind), and that would suggest that he could prove your point quite well.

[gav]

Yes I meant the KV as no.3 but they aren't that different bottom end wise are they?

Hey its Joe! Think there is another one of these engines being built down here to find a home in an RS125 chassis, KE bottom end, RG400 top! Should be good!!

[RDjase]

I like two strokes though:crybaby:

Good Man:yes:

Them funny motors with them valve things in the cylinder head will never catch on :bleh:

[Schrgd]

thats my point.. there were non

And that was my point, The CURRENT breed seem to doing what has previously mentioned, to the point fxr's now have "model specific" classes just for them!!

Which, as you've said, there weren't previously!

Thats all I was trying to say.

I'm not saying all, as that obviously isn't the case, but a lot.

[ajturbo]

And that was my point, The CURRENT breed seem to doing what has previously mentioned, to the point fxr's now have "model specific" classes just for them!!

Which, as you've said, there weren't previously!

Thats all I was trying to say.

I'm not saying all, as that obviously isn't the case, but a lot.

we don't have that problem down here... we're all gentlemen/women racers....

[jasonu]

The cases and covers look different and I think they are a 5 spd. Definitely different internals.

[jasonu]

Hey its Joe! Think there is another one of these engines being built down here to find a home in an RS125 chassis, KE bottom end, RG400 top! Should be good!!

Pix please

[Yow Ling]

Joe The Almighty is Peter Steadmans old bike, F5 posted a picture earlier. The new bike Gav refered to is still early days might take another month or so to be done !! I think Bren posted some stuff about the new bike on www.fxr150.co.nz

Linky http://www.fxr150.co.nz/discussion/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=229

[Buckets4Me]

It's my understanding that most of the ESE (what does ESE stand for by the way) team has RS125 framed,GP125 powered buckets.........

Has Dave Manule (sp) tried one of these?

When I was riding a TZ250, Dave was riding the shit out of an old RS250 (leaving far more modern machinery behind), and that would suggest that he could prove your point quite well.

only 2 of the bikes are rs framed
1 has the orginal frame (with bracing)
and another has the origanal frame stretched
then there are the 2 rg50's (with 2 more on the way)

E.S.E stands for (mind the spelling misstakes) Envirometal Service Enginers (racing 2 smokers :) )
Dave M raced TZ's standard framed gp and did well on it (Dam he is brave)
every corner it was pushing the frount (big BIG frount end slides) But he wasent to worried because as soon as he got on the power it would lift the frount wheel and stop sliding
he only crashed it once that day

[F5 Dave]

Yeah Peter's old bike had KE 6 speed gearbox.

[speedpro]

Having ridden a bucket or two it is my opinion that the KE 6-speed is the best gearbox available, even better than an MB50 box.

[jasonu]

Having ridden a bucket or two it is my opinion that the KE 6-speed is the best gearbox available, even better than an MB50 box.

Is there any difference between the KE and KH gearbox?

[F5 Dave]

What about the RG50 CVT gbox. Or is that just my one?

[TZ350]

O.K, I'll put my 2€'s in.....

It's my understanding that most of the ESE (what does ESE stand for by the way) team has RS125 framed,GP125 powered buckets.........Has Dave Manule (sp) tried one of these?

Dave rode a GP framed bike, he pretty much proved we arn't going to be winners with the original 70's frames.

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[speedpro]

What about the RG50 CVT gbox. Or is that just my one?

I always thought your transmission was interesting. Interesting in that it has lasted as long as it has!

[SS90]

Dave rode a GP framed bike, he pretty much proved we arn't going to be winners with the original frames.

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I remember someone much earlier on posting that a GP125 frame was simply "macaroni elbows held together with spaggetti", which I laughed at (because it's true)

GN125 frames fitted with a vt250 rear (drum brake wheel), and a ZZR250 front wheel (disc turned to face the wrong way, and fitted straight up) where always great handlers before the rules allowed RS125 frames, and 5 years ago in the south, that was the winning combo.

Clearly a RS125 frame "is the go" now........

[SS90]

only 2 of the bikes are rs framed


E.S.E stands for (mind the spelling misstakes) Envirometal Service Enginers (racing 2 smokers :) )


Interesting, the ESC (European scooter challenge) team I race with is DSE (dirty south engineering)

[jasonu]

What about the RG50 CVT gbox. Or is that just my one?

What is this you speak of???

[jasonu]

before the rules allowed RS125 frames,
Clearly a RS125 frame "is the go" now........[/QUOTE]

Were RS frames ever not allowed? The rules for everything except the 'non comp. engines and internals' thing have never (to my knowledge) limited anything else.
In the mid 90's me and a mate used to race RS125's in the F3 class as there wasn't enough of them for a class of their own. We never thought they would get 'butchered' for buckets. These days, any pre 95 Rs125 is realistically only good for that fate.

[F5 Dave]

What is this you speak of???
Lever on the left hand bar:lol:

Frames have always been free to use anything.

[Buckets4Me]

What is this you speak of???

you have never heard F5Dave go past have you
the bike never dips below 13000 rpm

[F5 Dave]

Don't start him up the Fecker will say 'no' & rave on about how he beat me in some GP back last century, but I passed him plenty of times. just not the crucial last time.

[jasonu]

Don't start him up the Fecker will say 'no' & rave on about how he beat me in some GP back last century, but I passed him plenty of times. just not the crucial last time.

Na Dave, I am more inclined to point out that your bikes never made any power below 13000, so that was why it never 'dipped' below 13000 cause it would fall flat on its tits...

Been busy spending $'s on the old girl. Some of your comments from the GP made me decide to give it a facelift.

[F5 Dave]

More incentive to drag your sorry arse back over here sooner before they start puting H's in Whellington or Ahuckland.

[bucketracer]

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Having ridden a bucket or two it is my opinion that the KE 6-speed is the best gearbox available, even better than an MB50 box.

An 82 Kawasaki KE100 on TradeMe http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=266670338 starting at $75, no reserve.

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[Scotty595]

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An 82 Kawasaki KE100 on TradeMe http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=266670338 starting at $75, no reserve.

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Looks good. What sort of top end wpuld i be best to put on that?

[koba]

Looks good. What sort of top end wpuld i be best to put on that?

Put the engine in a suitable frame or graft on suitable suspension and wheels and race it.

Worry about the rest later.

[Scotty595]

Bid is on :) Should be able to get my hands on a CBR250 frame to put it in so should be quite nice if i get it

[Yow Ling]

Looks good. What sort of top end wpuld i be best to put on that?

Are you an engineer, or can you access aluminium welding, milling machines , lathes, etc if not just stick to the stock engine. As always the pool water is colder than you think

[F5 Dave]

Looks good. What sort of top end wpuld i be best to put on that?
That's quite some optimism, haven't you read the rest of this thread?

The 125 has the 6 speed gbox, not the 100. Like the TS, weird that the japs thought the 100s didn't need them, or more likely a cost cutting measure.

[Scotty595]

That's quite some optimism, haven't you read the rest of this thread?

The 125 has the 6 speed gbox, not the 100. Like the TS, weird that the japs thought the 100s didn't need them, or more likely a cost cutting measure.

Dammit must have misread. Oh well.

[jasonu]

More incentive to drag your sorry arse back over here sooner before they start puting H's in Whellington or Ahuckland.

If they do that I'm never whucking coming back!!!