Riderskills - Advanced Roadcraft

[Thani-B]

Has anyone on here done this?
What did you think of it?
And would you recommend it?


http://www.riderskills.co.nz/default.asp?pageref=advancedroadcraft&rightbar=ADVNews

[Bass]

Has anyone on here done this?
What did you think of it?
And would you recommend it?


http://www.riderskills.co.nz/default.asp?pageref=advancedroadcraft&rightbar=ADVNews

I have.
Worthwhile and value for money.
Yes.
Their ad is a bit misleading however. It implies that much of the course is about riding skills and it's not. It's more about road craft and maximising your chances when shit happens. However, late in the day, I was taken out to a little used twisty stretch of road and told to ride it as fast as I could but not to use the brakes. This was a hugely valuable exercise in smooth riding and corner preparation.
So, it might keep you alive on the road but it won't help your lap time around Hampton Downs.

[The Stranger]

RRRS is on this Sunday (17th of Jan)

[igor]

Has anyone on here done this?
What did you think of it?
And would you recommend it?


http://www.riderskills.co.nz/default.asp?pageref=advancedroadcraft&rightbar=ADVNews

of course no one here has done it. Have u seen how many of these bunnies crash and die, its like reading an obituary page every time I come here thats why I don't very often.

[Thani-B]

So, it might keep you alive on the road but it won't help your lap time around Hampton Downs.

Thanks for your help, and that is exactly what I'm more concerned about. I'd rather do this over a track day.


RRRS is on this Sunday (17th of Jan)

I would, but it's my 21st party Sat night, and I wont be anywhere near sober enough to ride on Sunday.

[The Stranger]

I would, but it's my 21st party Sat night, and I wont be anywhere near sober enough to ride on Sunday.

That's what I like to see. Someone with a plan.

[Qkchk]

RRRS is on this Sunday (17th of Jan)

Highly recommended, nice balance of theory and pratical work. One becomes a better rider when they understand the actual physics behind the maneuvours.

[R6_kid]

However, late in the day, I was taken out to a little used twisty stretch of road and told to ride it as fast as I could but not to use the brakes.

Wow, that sounds like a really responsible way to teach people to survive.

[p.dath]

However, late in the day, I was taken out to a little used twisty stretch of road and told to ride it as fast as I could but not to use the brakes. This was a hugely valuable exercise in smooth riding and corner preparation.

Now that really is scary. This is an example of something I think would be much better practised on a track first.

[p.dath]

RRRS is on this Sunday (17th of Jan)

I'm hoping to do the March course. Are you involved with it?

[R6_kid]

I'm hoping to do the March course. Are you involved with it?

He's one of the main instructors on the RRRS course.

[p.dath]

He's one of the main instructors on the RRRS course.

I'll be very keen to meet the man in person! I'm sure he has a wealth of experience.

[The Stranger]

I'll be very keen to meet the man in person! I'm sure he has a wealth of experience.

And an agressive, alarming, alarmist attitude too, apparently.

[Bass]

Wow, that sounds like a really responsible way to teach people to survive.


Now that really is scary. This is an example of something I think would be much better practised on a track first.

Gentlemen, you are both wrong, although it's not difficult to see where you are coming from and I was a little concerned myself initially, at the time.
Firstly, it's a very sobering experience, trying to ride any piece of road quickly while imagining that your brakes don't work. It drops your average speed dramatically and really sharpens your speed /distance calculating processes. Try it sometime (serious suggestion) - you will immediately realise what I am talking about.
Secondly, doing it on a track would be pointless because once you had done a lap, you would know what was coming, which exactly negates the skills that the exercise was designed to develop.
Thirdly, at the point that this exercise was undertaken, the instructor had spent 6 hours assessing my skills and attitudes, one on one.
Lastly, the instructor had started the day by asking what it was that I expected and wanted to learn. I told him that I wanted to improve my corner assessment skills because I usually found myself at the apex of a corner thinking that I could comfortably (and safely) been travelling as much as 20 to 30 kph faster. Note that I didn't necessarily want to GO any faster but I did want a better feel for where I was in relation to my own skill level. Bear in mind that the guy concerned is a longstanding professional instructor and I have never heard anything other than complimentary remarks about the results he achieves. Killing clients would definitely not be good for business.

Incidentally, the RRRS and Advanced Riderskills courses are aimed at opposite ends of the experience spectrum. They are complimentary to one another, not substitutes. I have done both and the RRRS course was done fully loaded with luggage and a pillion, which increased its value to me, since that was the type of riding I was doing at the time.

[The Stranger]

Incidentally, the RRRS and Advanced Riderskills courses are aimed at opposite ends of the experience spectrum.

I find that comment interesting.
Would you care to expand on it please?

[Bass]

I find that comment interesting.
Would you care to expand on it please?

Sure.
My experience was that the advanced Riderskills course assumed the knowledge and skills covered by RRRS had been mastered and then moved on from there.
Having said that, they checked first - I had like a half hour test of where my basic skills were at before we moved on to the course proper

[The Stranger]

Sure.
My experience was that the advanced Riderskills course assumed the knowledge and skills covered by RRRS had been mastered and then moved on from there.
Having said that, they checked first - I had like a half hour test of where my basic skills were at before we moved on to the course proper

Thanks for that.
From what you say though, one could assume that he would have covered that ground had he thought it was missing, suggesting that he adapts as he sees fit.
Which of course you can do one on one and is an advantage over RRRS.
The guy that takes the riderskills attended the RRRS course about October or November last year and I understand he has done so in the past.
We've had a few riding instructors through it.

[Bass]

Thanks for that.
From what you say though, one could assume that he would have covered that ground had he thought it was missing, suggesting that he adapts as he sees fit.
Which of course you can do one on one and is an advantage over RRRS.


I think that's a fair assumption and one would expect Riderskills to have some advantages, given the price difference.
I also think that it compliments RRRS quite well for exactly the reason that it can be tailored to the individual. What I envisage is that having completed RRRS and spent maybe a year or 2 putting it into practice, the individual is in a position to decide what they need to work on and can go to Riderskills to get help to make it so - at least, that's how it worked for me. It's not cheap though, which may mean that they are automatically dealing with people who are committed to investing in their own safety and so are almost guaranteed good results.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

And an agressive, alarming, alarmist attitude too, apparently.


I heard through the grape vine you where pretty hot as well