Andrew Williams - Whinging Pom - Putting down NZ women & men

[Zimsar10]

Feel free to spam this idiot Pommy git's blog about his recent trip to New Zealand:

http://www.mensflair.com/news/thoughts-on-new-zealand.php/comment-page-1#comment-102602

Taken from above link:


New Zealand is a country with so much to offer, I wouldn’t hesitate to recommend you visit it at least once. Indeed, my recent second visit left just as profound a mark as my first.

However, for all my admiration I think if I lived there I would go off my rocker. Firstly, I didn’t see one attractive woman – other than the one I took with me. Secondly, and most importantly, Kiwi men are utterly unrepentant in their desire to dress badly. Indeed, they almost revel in it.

Any kind of interest in clothing is viewed as effeminate. It was as though the last forty years in male clothing and grooming hadn’t happened. Something as common place in Europe as a pink shirt is viewed with the very greatest suspicion. I was even pilloried for deck shoes. It was considered great sport by my girlfriend’s family to get me to wear a pair of jandals (read flip-flops).

So what do I mean by badly dressed? For the most part I’m talking about a complete a lack of flair, care, quality and above all effort. The antipodean stereotype of stubbies (short short), singlet and work boots was all too common. But even going out to dinner it was not uncommon to see men in flip-flops. At best you’d see an excess of the purely mundane - poorly tailored jeans and uninspiring tops and trainers or work boots.

In some ways this is a factor of the outdoorsy, active lifestyle New Zealand provides. You’re not going to wear a linen suit on the beach, but there are ways to dress well and comfortably. Well tailored shorts and polo provides both comfort and, depending on colour and pattern, a degree of relaxed elegance, if done right. For the most part all I saw were men throwing on cheap, scruffy clothes without effort or care. Harmony of pattern and colour was for the most part absent.

Of course every country has its poorly dressed contingent, even in metropolitan centres. But for all the country’s natural beauty, even in the most cosmopolitan of NZ’s cities, I still couldn’t claim to have seen anyone I regarded as well dressed.

Post on this blog & tell him what you think guys! :scooter:

[R6_kid]

He's right though. His attitude is that he is above us because he dresses in fancy clothes all the time - that sucks. What he doesn't get is that New Zealand is laid-back, and that when we believe the time calls for it, we can wear spiffy clothes if we feel like it. He looks like a poof in his photo anyway, and WTF... who wears 'deck' shoes.

[Molly]

One of the best things about NZ is that people, generally, don't seem to get caught up in all that superficial crap (just one of the reasons we shifted from the UK) so as far as clothes go he's probably about right. As for the women, well that's in the eye of the beholder. I wouldn't get too upset over his comments. In a way it's a backwards compliment.

[Laava]

I will make a point of dressing badly if it keeps the "tied at the corners hanky on the head socks and sandals" plonkers like him off our shores! Come on you lot, do your bit! Oh and for what it was worth, I saw 2 drop dead gorgeous women today. The guy must be a fag!

[Edbear]

Andrew who...?

[Pussy]

Andrew Williams can get a hairy dog up him.... he sounds like a poof anyway


Edit: I've even got several pairs of chandals.... ranging from "around the section" to my good "going out" ones.
I'm no heathen

[Zimsar10]

If you feel strongly enough - give the tosser abit of his own medicine & make a post on his dumb blog - lol.

[PirateJafa]

Any kind of interest in clothing is viewed as effeminate. It was as though the last forty years in male clothing and grooming hadn’t happened. Something as common place in Europe as a pink shirt is viewed with the very greatest suspicion. I was even pilloried for deck shoes. It was considered great sport by my girlfriend’s family to get me to wear a pair of jandals (read flip-flops).

So what do I mean by badly dressed? For the most part I’m talking about a complete a lack of flair, care, quality and above all effort. The antipodean stereotype of stubbies (short short), singlet and work boots was all too common. But even going out to dinner it was not uncommon to see men in flip-flops. At best you’d see an excess of the purely mundane - poorly tailored jeans and uninspiring tops and trainers or work boots.

Fookin' 'ell. He's got me down to a t.

[sil3nt]

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Who is this metrosexual/borderline homo anyway?

[wbks]

I think he's probably just pissed because he got looked at like a fudge packer wearing that pink shirt

[KiWiP]

Some of the impeccably dressed English gentlemen he is refering to.
The last photo is of, would you believe, an antique book salesman. Photo is in my local in Portsmouth where the hardcore Pompey fans met either end of a match. I would love to take poncey boy there so he can make a comparison between Kiwis and English. The girls were of an interesting species as well.
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[SS90]

I lokk at this dudes comments in two ways

1) He is actually right. Kiwi's are, by in large,laid back, and most of the time that is a good thing.

2) However, I was recently back in NZ for a month, and have to say, after living in central Europe for 4 years, there was plenty of scenes that made me "cringe" a little.

But, the cinic in me thinks that this "winging pom" was subjected to a bit of ridicule from both his Kiwi girlfriends family, and the public at large, and he is simply "getting his own back" via his computer.

Small man.

Anyone who has spent any length of time in Europe will know that Europe is chock full of "pillow biters"

Pink shirt indeed!

[motor_mayhem]

To be quite honest I'm glad he realises that we are not as superficial as to be constantly worrying about/spending time or money on our appearance and more interested in time doing fun stuff outdoors like riding bikes. You're not exactly going to wear a suit in the workshop while you're changing the bike oil. This seems to be admited in "In some ways this is a factor of the outdoorsy, active lifestyle New Zealand provides."

[Zimsar10]

Some of the comments on Andrew "Whinging Pom's" blog are absolutely hilarious! My god - if you wanted to ruffle up some feathers, he certainly done that & is now getting what he deserved.

Good to some Kiwibiker's making remarks as well.

Makes me wonder how long it will be before the comments get removed.

[jonbuoy]

There are a staggering amount of poorly dressed chavs and Kappa slappers in every town centre in the UK so he cant really talk. It does make NZers look a bit touchy and insecure when they get so wound up about anyone with anything negative to say about NZ.

[Usarka]

I agree with him. Kiwi chicks would look a fraction better if they at least tried to look good.

[CookMySock]

The guy must be a fag!Thats what I was thinking. Linen shirt? Polo top? Doesn't like women?

Do the math.


I agree with him. Kiwi chicks would look a fraction better if they at least tried to look good.Aw c'mon. I like them a lot.

Steve

[James Deuce]

The only thing that makes me cringe about Kiwis and Kiwiland is the rising inflection on the end of every sentence.

That and the domestic violence. And the "own the road" syndrome that infects nearly everyone with motor vehicle key. And outsourced call centres. Plus all the arrogant sarfies who are always right, even when they are demonstrably wrong. Fuck off back home and send some blacks over. At least they're fun. Institutions of higher learning that have sacrificed higher learning at the altar of business degrees. They suck. Petrol company monopolies with price fixing agreements. Bent coppers. Bent workmates. The unwarranted automatic respect for professional whingers, err, sportspeople. Laws that prevent children being children. Adults who prevent children being children. Roading contractors who don't clean up after they've finished. The exponentially rising cost of food. Local body governments who sneak rates increases of 3 percent per quarter through. Russian/Ukraine taxi drivers with a death wish who all used to be doctors/fighter pilots/rocket scientists/Spetznatz.

The biggest cringe of all? That some of us have to own being descended from Southern Bastards.

Other than that, all good.

[Pixie]

I thought "Moon River" was a great song.

[PrincessBandit]

Hey, at least our sheep don't care about how we look.

I didn't bother reading anything in the article other than the bit that was quoted. It did make me smirk thinking about the flood of tourists we'll now have to endure who have come to the paradox of "one of the most beautiful countries in the world inhabited by some of the ugliest men and women in the world". Hey, there's no such thing as bad publicity....

[Str8 Jacket]

People whinging about whinging is a bit like two wrongs don't make a right. Right?

TBH - if we really didn't give a shit about what he had to say then no one would have posted on his blog. Right?

[Pussy]

The only thing that makes me cringe about Kiwis and Kiwiland is the rising inflection on the end of every sentence.

That and the domestic violence. And the "own the road" syndrome that infects nearly everyone with motor vehicle key. And outsourced call centres. Plus all the arrogant sarfies who are always right, even when they are demonstrably wrong. Fuck off back home and send some blacks over. At least they're fun. Institutions of higher learning that have sacrificed higher learning at the altar of business degrees. They suck. Petrol company monopolies with price fixing agreements. Bent coppers. Bent workmates. The unwarranted automatic respect for professional whingers, err, sportspeople. Laws that prevent children being children. Adults who prevent children being children. Roading contractors who don't clean up after they've finished. The exponentially rising cost of food. Local body governments who sneak rates increases of 3 percent per quarter through. Russian/Ukraine taxi drivers with a death wish who all used to be doctors/fighter pilots/rocket scientists/Spetznatz.

The biggest cringe of all? That some of us have to own being descended from Southern Bastards.

Other than that, all good.
That's all fair enough..... but do you own a pair of formal jandals??

[Dodgyiti]

Who really cares, I hope that my personality speaks for me not the clothes I am wearing. And for the record, I am a really scruffy bugger:niceone:

[James Deuce]

That's all fair enough..... but do you own a pair of formal jandals??
No, I have only a pair of chandals, but they are good for discipline.

[Trudes]

Sounds like a fag to me. Seems like he was pretty busy checking out what the guys were wearing and probably wondering what their arses looked like underneath.

[Tink]

Ok I put my two bits in.... I didn't mention I date a englishman and I was born english.

http://acolourfulguydrowning.blogspot.com/2010/01/andrew-williams-kiwi-men-revel-in.html An american view point!

[Genie]

who gives a fuck what some anal retentive from the other side of the world thinks.....not i. Kiwi's are a good looking bunch (except for those interbred ones)

[PrincessBandit]

I agree with him. Kiwi chicks would look a fraction better if they at least tried to look good.

sob! and I always try to look good for you - you're just never happy are you sniff sniff, and you're mean! snort slop phrrrrrrraaaaaap (me blowing nose into wet soppy tissue)

p.s. I'm still waiting for Fatt Max to set the record straight with his usual insightfulness - c'mon mate! where are you when your adopted country needs you??? :msn-wink::laugh:

[sinfull]

Whats up with this dude, i mean wow, I'll wear what i like !

http://forladiesbyladies.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/short-shorts.jpg

[Genestho]

*chortle* I nearly wee'd!

Clearly he has never been to the Mount!

I'm having trouble trying to imagine male friends and family in...pink shirts, or, er....polo...shirts....:blip:
NOPE! bring on the stubbies and short shorts:woohoo:

[Big Dave]

Andrew who...

......cares.

[Edbear]

......cares.

My point perzackery!

[Big Dave]

No, I have only a pair of chandals, but they are good for discipline.

In my country formal thongs are only used for ceremonial purposes
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[Swoop]

British fashion ended after the invention of the bowler hat.
Sorry Andrew, but you didn't travel around NZ very much, did you. I notice there weren't any comments regarding obese women wearing lycra shorts...

[rainman]

Plus all the arrogant sarfies who are always right, even when they are demonstrably wrong.

You're wrong about that! Not all sarfies are always right.

Just me.

[davebullet]

He obviously didn't take a good look at the biker community... Otherwise his views could have even been worse :laugh:

"I'm soooo worried about how I look, because how I look is 100% who I am and if people don't like how I look, then they won't like me, and I have to fit in, and I have to be seen to be ahead of the other 50 million+ people I'm fighting for status in my country... blahhh blahhhh blahhh." = Insecure git.

[george formby]

He travelled all the way to the South Pacific to write about standards of dress? Bet his girlfriend slipped off with a stubby clad bogun when the boredom set in.
Dork.

[fire eyes]

"Well tailored shorts and polo provides both comfort and, depending on colour and pattern, a degree of relaxed elegance, if done right."

ummmm .. hmmmmm ... welll .... Im kind of attracted to the singlets, stubbies & mullet men myself lol

[Pussy]

*chortle* I nearly wee'd!

Clearly he has never been to the Mount!

I'm having trouble trying to imagine male friends and family in...pink shirts, or, er....polo...shirts....:blip:
NOPE! bring on the stubbies and short shorts:woohoo:

Well I hope you haven't been eating asparagus, then.....

[Zimsar10]

The only thing that makes me cringe about Kiwis and Kiwiland is the rising inflection on the end of every sentence.

That and the domestic violence. And the "own the road" syndrome that infects nearly everyone with motor vehicle key. And outsourced call centres. Plus all the arrogant sarfies who are always right, even when they are demonstrably wrong. Fuck off back home and send some blacks over. At least they're fun. Institutions of higher learning that have sacrificed higher learning at the altar of business degrees. They suck. Petrol company monopolies with price fixing agreements. Bent coppers. Bent workmates. The unwarranted automatic respect for professional whingers, err, sportspeople. Laws that prevent children being children. Adults who prevent children being children. Roading contractors who don't clean up after they've finished. The exponentially rising cost of food. Local body governments who sneak rates increases of 3 percent per quarter through. Russian/Ukraine taxi drivers with a death wish who all used to be doctors/fighter pilots/rocket scientists/Spetznatz.

The biggest cringe of all? That some of us have to own being descended from Southern Bastards.

Other than that, all good.

Wow - that sounds like just about any other country in the world.........

[imdying]

mensflair.com? It would take some much darker comments than that before I worried about what some homosexual thought about New Zealand's male dress standards :sleep:

[James Deuce]

Wow - that sounds like just about any other country in the world.........
Yay, someone's keeping up! Good to know that EVERYONE has had enough of arrogant sarfies.

[Zimsar10]

Yay, someone's keeping up! Good to know that EVERYONE has had enough of arrogant sarfies.

Excuse my lack on knowledge on this one - but what is a Sarfie?

[Genie]

Excuse my lack on knowledge on this one - but what is a Sarfie?

me too...never heard of that....please educate the ignorant

[James Deuce]

Well they are in practically every other country in the world - South Africans. Mostly Afrikaans if you get my drift. ;)

[Skyryder]

Poms have been critisizing us for years on the way we dress. Jeez I can remeber way back in the sixties Normn Hartnell the
Queens fashion desigher critisizing (what's his name, the fellow who you has to have his own tv show and jumped off the divingboard at QEII an injured his back, Rodney ???????????? use to be on with Brian Allpress) There's been others as well. Best dressed kiw iin my book was Fred Dag. I still got my black singlet from the freezing work days. One of my treasures. Think I'll wear it on my next KB ride.


Skyyrder

[Molly]

This is all well and good but nobody's yet taken the opportunity to have a go at Harley owners.

[Genie]

shut up....leave the harleys riders alone.

[Molly]

shut up....leave the harleys riders alone.

S'OK. I've got a Springer myself. Even I think I'm a wanker.

[Genie]

ok...educate the ignorant....Springer. not jerry i'm thinking!!!!!

[Molly]

ok...educate the ignorant....Springer. not jerry i'm thinking!!!!!

It's a Harley for people for whom the stock ones don't handle quite badly enough.

[Genie]

helll.....now i'm more confused....stock i get, so springer makes them rougher/harder like way more fun?????

[Genie]

Pics may help....or shall i vist my harley friends?

[KiWiP]

La-di-daa boy is trying to capitulate

http://www.mensflair.com/bespokeme

[McJim]

I regularly used to wear a Versace or Valentino or Armani shirt to work on dress down Friday when I worked in Ponsnobby. coupled with a pair of well tailored designer jeans and a nice pair of Portuguese or Italian shoes I looked rather smart. Weekdays would see me with a YSL shirt or Ralph Lauren shirt coupled with an Armani or Saville Row suit (depending on mood). As for the 'laid back kiwi lifestyle' I have yet to find it - poor salariescoupled with high house prices and ridiculous interest rates mean I am constantly stressed and short of cash - torn between keeping a roof over my head or food in my children's bellies. I agree with the blogger. Given a choice - I wouldn't live here either.

[SixPackBack]

"No style is my style" [or my cock's a cactus].

Seriously tho'...........Andrew Williams sounds a bit precious, the kinda bloke who comes first and cleans up with Dettol, and frankly if the great outdoors frightens him and pink excites him kiwi babes are missing nowt. Twat!

[McJim]

It's not too diferent from all the cocks who think they're the shizzle coz they have the latest Shoei Helmet, the latest Jap Sportsbike and the last word in boots, leathers and gloves really. And there are loads of them poofy cocks on the roads and on this forum. Poseurs the lot of 'em :Pokey: :rofl:

[Genie]

It's not too diferent from all the cocks who think they're the shizzle coz they have the latest Shoei Helmet, the latest Jap Sportsbike and the last word in boots, leathers and gloves really. And there are loads of them poofy cocks on the roads and on this forum. Poseurs the lot of 'em :Pokey: :rofl:

oh holy hell....I have just bought a shoei helmet and a jap sportsbike and some nice gear....but i so not poofy. i'm also no shizzle.

[McJim]

oh holy hell....I have just bought a shoei helmet and a jap sportsbike and some nice gear....but i so not poofy. i'm also no shizzle.

Ha - I bet you fancy blokes. That makes you a poof. (mind you, I fancy women so I suppose I must be a lesbian!) :rofl:

[Genie]

Ha - I bet you fancy blokes. That makes you a poof. (mind you, I fancy women so I suppose I must be a lesbian!) :rofl:

hmmmm....you can be a lesbian.

hmmm and do i fancy blokes....don't bloody fancy much beyond Jim Beam. blokes are just far too much hassle.

[Genie]

oh holy hell....I have just bought a shoei helmet and a jap sportsbike and some nice gear....but i so not poofy. i'm also no shizzle.

hmmmmm whom ever gave me rep and asked about chandles and black t-shirt....I dont do chandles and i really dont do t-shirts. I'm a halter neck girl. I hate t-shirts...they are for men not chicks. Oh unless they be white and wet.

[Skyryder]

This is all well and good but nobody's yet taken the opportunity to have a go at Harley owners.

Ii could say they not kiwis but American wannabes......................but I won't.................Waaaaiit for it Sky waaaaaaaaaiit for it.:ar15::ar15::bash::bash::dodge:

[Trudes]

I regularly used to wear a Versace or Valentino or Armani shirt to work on dress down Friday when I worked in Ponsnobby. coupled with a pair of well tailored designer jeans and a nice pair of Portuguese or Italian shoes I looked rather smart. Weekdays would see me with a YSL shirt or Ralph Lauren shirt coupled with an Armani or Saville Row suit (depending on mood). As for the 'laid back kiwi lifestyle' I have yet to find it - poor salariescoupled with high house prices and ridiculous interest rates mean I am constantly stressed and short of cash - torn between keeping a roof over my head or food in my children's bellies. I agree with the blogger. Given a choice - I wouldn't live here either.

AND.... That is the reason I refuse to move to Dorkland! (Unless it be wayyyyyyy out West.....or Waiheke Island, but hey, I'm not picky) ;)

[SixPackBack]

AND.... That is the reason I refuse to move to Dorkland! (Unless it be wayyyyyyy out West.....or Waiheke Island, but hey, I'm not picky) ;)
Hey don't knock it trudes, lotsa sexy bitches in jaffaville :banana:

[mynameis]

He probably irons his coloured lace underwear and bedsheets. Sounds like a fag to me, he was too busy checking out what men are like here and missed out all the gorgeous chicks or probably got turned down by a few.

[Indiana_Jones]

Something as common place in Europe as a pink shirt is viewed with the very greatest suspicion. I was even pilloried for deck shoes.


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WHAT A POOF!

-Indy