Sidecar racing shit talk thread

[sidecar bob]

Damn shame those pathetic money pits otherwise known as LCR's arent up to NZ tracks & break things that could kill people. Imagine if it broke that at full cry into turn one at Ruapuna, youre a keen man Kick.
And Rat, that was the absolutely best racing i have ever been involved with, Johnny & you are so safe to share track with, even at ten tenths, all that hard out close racing & not one exchange of paint!!

[Kickaha]

Damn shame those pathetic money pits otherwise known as LCR's arent up to NZ tracks & break things that could kill people. Imagine if it broke that at full cry into turn one at Ruapuna, youre a keen man Kick.!

Nah whats pathetic is the way people wank on about it like that, because there's never been a failure on short bike in the history of sidecar racing has there?

[sidecar bob]

I see the Pom couldnt race his LCR at Taupo because the front suspension was about to fall out of it after a wee thrash around Cemetary Circiut.
Just coincedince im sure.

[Kickaha]

Full coverage of the sidecar racing is now up on www.speedbox.tv

[wharfy]

Great read, cool vids !!

[RC30]

Whats bob on about, it was the Windle that had a problem and for your your information shit head this had done a lot of work in the UK....

Thats right keep crying about the LCR's they are here to stay, if you can't handle the heat get out of the fire Oh.... thats right you haVE!!!!

This snivilling team is spending heaps on their heap of shit to try and dominate the classics - what's the difference???

[sidecar bob]

Whats bob on about, it was the Windle that had a problem and for your your information shit head this had done a lot of work in the UK....

Thats right keep crying about the LCR's they are here to stay, if you can't handle the heat get out of the fire Oh.... thats right you haVE!!!!

This snivilling team is spending heaps on their heap of shit to try and dominate the classics - what's the difference???

Oh look, heres the same chequebook racing idiot that thinks he can buy a championship.
Turns up at TRRS with a late entry on the day & expects a pit garage & all as of right.

The LCR in question (and yes, it was an LCR), was clearly worn out & dangerous & failed scrutineering for a good reason. BECAUSE IT WAS FUCKED!! And if it has done a lot of work in the UK then it should have had money poured into it as LCR's require, to maintain it to a safe standard.

Yeah, we have got out of the kitchen, because we couldnt be bothered with homos such as yourself, that couldnt beat us on the track anyway.

This snivelling team has spent a grand total of well under ten grand on their "heap of shit" adding starter, alternator & other stuff to make it go slower.
Bring your chequebook over to classics & see if you can beat us Mr Handsome.
I see User RC30 has made no friends yet, but he sure has made a lot of enemies.
Frankly, after 23 years "in the kitchen" winning the NZ champs 7 times & many other pretty flash trophys, including winning Phillip Island on an old short bike, with only one lap of practice/qualifying, were quite satisfied with the size of our tackle.

[scrivy]

Oh look, heres the same chequebook racing idiot that thinks he can buy a championship. Who, Steve Bron??


Yeah, we have got out of the kitchen, because we couldnt be bothered with homos such as yourself, that couldnt beat us on the track anyway. Bob, not quite true. He did beat us a few times. But spending another $120,000 to do it on a brand new machine, as opposed to our 20 year old piss of shit. But...... He never had the ability to take a hand off and wave to spectators or marshalls whilst racing at lap record speed.... Then again, I guess winning is everything to some people.


Spent heaps on their piece of shit??? Mr Bron, once again you really have no idea at all do you!! Can you quote how many DNFs we've had in about 30 races? Far less than you in 1 season!
We would have probably the cheapest post classic sidecar out there. And exactly what do you call heaps?? A few grand is naf all. But in all honesty, can you quote on this site exactly how much you've spent to try and win the champs?? (Now be honest) Beaten outright by two hasbeen teams on inferior equipment. No wonder you have to come on here and try to belittle others. I'd be pissed too.

Scrivy (Not afraid to tell people who my real user name is)

[scrivy]

Steve, you need to get some advice from Kick. Some members come on here to give light hearted banter towards other members.
Please keep your angry ravings to yourself and not posted here on KB.

[RC30]

Ohh!!! Bob "Sticks and Stones" Checkbook racing if you like at least we are supporting the local clubs!!!
Just for your reference it was NOT a LCR and was infact a Windle - I should know as it is in our workshop been repaired at present.

As far as buying a championship not so!! however I know of another team that excatly that by purchasing the current Australian Championship sidecar and bringing it back into NZ - Same thing different time!!

As far as the Taupo round of the Tri Series - I would NOT support it in principle, until we were not asked to (Bugger)

Thats funny about us not been able to beat you on the track as I have footage of just that, you getting served by Ohh!! three LCR's. It is a shame as Scriv rides awsome and is great to race against....

[RC30]

Scrivy, I do not need advise from Kick I have had enough of the garbage posted. I'm not trying to belittle anyone, your passenger is the one posting crap about things he know nothing about! I don't have a problem other than with your passenger who is a two faced shit stirring twat!!

Yep we had a shit of a year and thats fine, thats motor racing and be honest proberly like seasons all teams have had in the past.

Just like you I was lucky to have someone fund my sidecar so $ has nothing to do with it, and yes we tried hard racing against you guys but do not forget this is only our forth year on these NOT 20+. I will take credit for our wins as we still had to ride this expensive nmachine as we did not take the Auto pilot option..

[scrivy]

Ohh!!! Bob "Sticks and Stones" Checkbook racing if you like at least we are supporting the local clubs!!!
Unfortunately Steve, promising Tuckerman full grids at 3 rounds down south and then not supplying enough to fill 2 rows is not a way to support a club!! You may very well infact have made them lose alot of money.

As far as buying a championship not so!! however I know of another team that excatly that by purchasing the current Australian Championship sidecar and bringing it back into NZ - Same thing different time!!
Sort of same thing Steve. But as all would know, (as is now) there were no available sidecars for sale back then, so Australia was the only option. But $27,000 is a far cry from $120,000 and the world champs outfit! Apples and apples please mate!!

As far as the Taupo round of the Tri Series - I would NOT support it in principle, until we were not asked to (Bugger) Just don't enter next year then. Simple.

Thats funny about us not been able to beat you on the track as I have footage of just that, you getting served by Ohh!! three LCR's. It is a shame as Scriv rides awsome and is great to race against....

Nah, Johnny B is great to race against - no whining or accusing other competitors of hitting them!

[sidecar bob]

Ohh!!! Bob "Sticks and Stones" Checkbook racing if you like at least we are supporting the local clubs!!!
Just for your reference it was NOT a LCR and was infact a Windle - I should know as it is in our workshop been repaired at present.

As far as buying a championship not so!! however I know of another team that excatly that by purchasing the current Australian Championship sidecar and bringing it back into NZ - Same thing different time!!

As far as the Taupo round of the Tri Series - I would NOT support it in principle, until we were not asked to (Bugger)

Thats funny about us not been able to beat you on the track as I have footage of just that, you getting served by Ohh!! three LCR's. It is a shame as Scriv rides awsome and is great to race against.....
Youre starting to not make sense pal. Oh, and "Team" What happened to Rat Dion & Lou? i guess youre a great team player eh?
Supporting local clubs?? WTF? you havent even given a ride at the have a go day that i can remember, what a champion!!
Hey dude, if we could be arsed with a money pit LCR you know you wouldnt get a look in, thats a fact & you know it.
All good hard case banter.
Great to see you guys have fucked the South Island rounds, i hope you feel great about that.
Never mind, we'll pick up the pieces after you guys have got bored & gone Porsche racing.

[jellywrestler]

Hey lads pull ya heads in will ya, you're both very skilled riders. Scrivy you had the same dreams as Bron did when you started racing and now say the NZ champs mean nothing to you but look out anyone who mis- quotes the number of champs you've won so clearly you take pride in having these in your belt. As for Bron, I watched him battle Aussie Ron Curran at Wanganui some years ago from the commentaters tower (best veiwing spot on the circuit) on a Kiwi built bike and all the money in the world couldn't buy that sort of skill, riding against a skilled rider like Ron it was great.
Putting this sort of shit on KIWIBITCHER isn't doing our sport (yours and mine) any good.
And SidecarBob, don't really think you've won 7 championships have you?

[sidecar bob]

Scrivy, your passenger is the one posting crap about things he know nothing about! I don't have a problem other than with your passenger who is a two faced shit stirring twat!!


Pehehehe, that got your attention. Sidecar racing is not my life, merely a sideshow to occupy my spare time when im not having an awesome time with my hot sidecar racing missus, or stirring shit on here for my own entertainment & winding you fullas up.
Ahh well, another Heineken & off to bed.
Oh, and that is "passenger & sidecar owner" Scrivy wouldnt own a sidecar when he can ride someone elses for free, he's that good.
Hey, two faced is pretty big coming from you chap.
Gonna kick DMNTD in the nuts for selling the Desmosedeci out from under you??? WTF have you seen DMNTD Mr Pak & Save? Kinda think the Mega Mitre Ten guy, but a bit angry & psycho. He was so looking forward to your visit too!! (Click on the link to learn about DMNTD) http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/50299-Ungrateful-bi*ch!?p=1063176 This kind of behaviour makes a fool of us all. Here iv got a guy asking me who the total cock that races sidecars from Wanganui called Steve is.
Oh, and dont think Scrivy isn't putting me up to this. Its a team effort, but im sure that would be lost on you.

[RC30]

Dreamer!!!! it is you guys that have fucked the South Island rounds buy going back to Levels a couple of years ago - NOT ME!!!

Were dose it say that we have to do the have a go day?? I did this for the first two years and then my bike was burnt in a factory fire and this year our bike was in Ausi. I'm sorry our plans did not suit the club! by the way I have always be a advacate for sidecars and give rides at the track and on Friday practise days.
Unfortunate about Rat - my fault and I put my hand up! Lou - nothing to do with me thats Stacey's passenger....

Do NOT worry about us we will pick up the pieces NOW!! and sorry we are not going any were.........

[scrivy]

Hey lads pull ya heads in will ya, you're both very skilled riders. Scrivy you had the same dreams as Bron did when you started racing and now say the NZ champs mean nothing to you but look out anyone who mis- quotes the number of champs you've won so clearly you take pride in having these in your belt. Spyda, I can't see where I've stated that. You're making up absolute nonsense.
Putting this sort of shit on KIWIBITCHER isn't doing our sport (yours and mine) any good. We're all big boys, we'll all get over it. Makes people go harder on the track, don't it???.............

And SidecarBob, don't really think you've won 7 championships have you?

Bullshit contest winner,
Tiddlywinks winner,
Pie eating winner,
Heineken drinking winner,
Soggy biscuit winner,
Voyeurism winner,
and a national sidecar thingy...........

[RC30]

Cheers Spyda, time to get my point across.

We all need to stop the in fighting and our sport will grow. I'm here to stay and they will just have to get use to it.

Long live the LCR

[RC30]

Thanks Spyda, time to get my point across!

Don't worry we will be here for a long time we are not going anywhere!!! Long live the LCR

[Kickaha]

Pie eating winner,

That would be your title you fat cunt :bleh:

If you lot can't keep it reasonably civil in this thread you should all fuck off somewhere else

[scrivy]

We all need to stop the in fighting and our sport will grow.

Haven't you heard the threat from Tuckerman Steve..........????? The sidecar class will have a 2 year stand down!!

Exactly how is that going to make our class grow???

You and Dave getting into his ear non stop is what's damaged the sidecar class this year. How many people that would have gone down south to 2 rounds are going to be happy in the knowledge that Teretonga is now off for sidecars!!! There is going to be alot of very pissed people now Steve because of your actions - and don't try to blame Dave either.

It's easy coming on here and blaming others, but at the end of the day, you have to put your hand up and admit you sold everyone out with your hollow promises to Jim.

[sidecar bob]

Long live the LCR
Yep, long as ya keep chucking bits at it.
Hey, they are a work of art & the closest thing to a three wheeled F1 car that there is & the total horn!!.
The problem occurs when people cant afford to maintain them like an aircraft. As they slide down the socioecinomic scale there will be serious accidents due to component failure. Not with you, but 4th & 5th owners.

[RC30]

Scrivy I don't know were you heard that from but I was not the one at the MNZ AGM and I had NO part in the three South rounds, if you remember I tried to get a dropped round to counter that but as a Association that was declined - NOT MY DOING SORRY

It dos not matter what I say you have made up your mind, however we did have a meeting down south in which we all agreed to support the Invas round - another faulse promiss andd I will not take the blame for this. The association is in charge of it's destiney. Easy to point fingres Aye!!!!!! " I never promissed anything" whats sold us out is the second trip across the ditch to compete at a nothing truck meeting and putting better numbers on that grid than the National rounds - Simple!!!!!!!!! Now you know who to blame

[RC30]

I understand that Steve, and that is why the Windle gave problems at Taupo!
They are horn and I get a kick out of riding it - thats why I do it. I cannot make a sidecar and are left to buy one and choose to purchase a good one espically for the safety side of it.

[scrivy]

Dreamer!!!! it is you guys that have fucked the South Island rounds buy going back to Levels a couple of years ago - NOT ME!!!

Short memory Steve?




" I never promissed anything" whats sold us out is the second trip across the ditch to compete at a nothing truck meeting and putting better numbers on that grid than the National rounds - Simple!!!!!!!!! Now you know who to blame

Steve, you really like passing the buck and blaming others!! LOL!!!
You crack me up dude!!
If my memory serves me right Steve, YOU were the one that promised Chris and everyone else that went down there to the truck meeting that you were going to take 2 sidecars down in your trailer!!!!! You reneged on your promise (yet again) and pulled out after everyone else had made plans to get there!! It left everyone feeling like linda lovelace - with a bitter taste in their mouths.....

As for the meeting itself - 5 chairs went down from the north - all were funded by members and other contributors, (and the TRRS fund by Chris and I) and the entry fee was FREE!!! There were only 10 rigs on the grid, and the races were handicapped - not actual races - so how again did we fuck up our championships???
By doing a demonstration event with 10 rigs infront of a spectator base of 10,000 people that thought we were great!!

Please inform Jim that you were also going to do the truck meeting Steve. I wouldn't want Jim thinking you were the pure golden boy, and not a party to it.

[sidecar bob]

Im really quite how unsure how the truck meeting that was nearly two years ago fucked everything. Could someone please explain how that works? That seems to be really quite a desperate attempt to find someone or something to blame other than oneself, and Steve's not the only one singing that song, MNZ seem to think thats the problem too. I suspect both parties came up with that one together to deflect the blame for the current failure of the series.
And yes, Steve did let us down badly that weekend.
Leighton Minnell saved the day in large part by loaning the (now my) pink bike out to Burt Wolland to ride, he also contributed by loaning a trailer & organising his trailer to be towed & funding the ferry crossing both ways for it, even though he didnt personally attend.
Charlie Bilby drove from Wanganui to Auckland & drove Lawrence Bros truck non stop to Timaru with two machines in it, & did the return journey at the end of the weekend.
Brian Reid ended up driving all day & night to be there, all to take up the slack that username RC30 dumped on us.
I am right now, able to provide two sidecars for the south & Scrivy another one, & if things had been done according to the vote at the AGM & we had been treated fairly in the past, they would be loaded & ready to go.
P.S, The pink bike could be bought to make up the numbers. The price is $14,500 with 2 spare engines & a full set of wets on rims, plus various other spares.
It could also be leased, complete with crew. Price by negotiation.

[sidecar bob]

Old Fartz, i see youre watching this thread, How much for the Kawasaki outfit, complete with worn out cams?

[sidecar bob]

Im dissapointed we havent got RC30's version of the Timaru truck meeting. I welcome a response.
Id also be keen to know weather Kim approves of the situation too.

[Kickaha]

Id also be keen to know weather Kim approves of the situation too.

What's she got to do with it? is she your bit on the side? Does Tracey know about her?

[rotary]

The Fact is steve Bron & Dave Annan have taken it upon themselves to speak to Jim Tuckerman & promote the idea of 3 south island rounds, knowing full well they would not be supported well by other competitors. This is well known as JT hasn't made it a secret. This has now meant that 3 competitive teams will be competing. Bron ,Anan & Pete Goodwin. (All Bron supported teams.) Unfortunalely Anan is one second a lap at least off Brons pace, and Goodwin prefers to spend time with his bike in the pits rather than the track. The south island teams are unlikely to want to be a part of this. If it was two rounds like everyone wanted (Bar 2 teams) then it is likely you would get 10 to 12 rigs at the track.(North & South teams) Especially as the two rounds this year would of been ChCh and Invercargill. Expecting more is un realistic. Sidecars like all sport cost a lot, not just cash but hundreds of hours in the workshop and driving your vehicle around the country. The two round SI format has kept the sport viable. 3 rounds has killed it before it has even happened. The truck racing promo event 2 years ago has no influence on this seasons champs what so ever. From what i heard it was a nice display of average riders (except scrivener) that the crowd enjoyed and that's all.

[Kickaha]

The Fact is steve Bron & Dave Annan have taken it upon themselves to speak to Jim Tuckerman & promote the idea of 3 south island rounds, knowing full well they would not be supported well by other competitors. This is well known as JT hasn't made it a secret.

Yeah because he wouldn't bullshit anyone would he? I don't suppose you have that in writing from Jim?

"makes note, another question to ask Jim"


and Goodwin prefers to spend time with his bike in the pits rather than the track.
At least these bikes have starter motors on so the poor swinger doesn't have to spend all his time pushing them up and down the pits trying to start them


Sidecars like all sport cost a lot, not just cash but hundreds of hours in the workshop and driving your vehicle around the country.

How much do you reckon they cost compared to running even a mid pack Superbike?


The two round SI format has kept the sport viable. 3 rounds has killed it before it has even happened.

Yeah pretty much on the button there, I was meant to have an explanation from JT on Monday after I emailed last weekend him but I'm still waiting


The truck racing promo event 2 years ago has no influence on this seasons champs what so ever. From what i heard it was a nice display of average riders (except scrivener) that the crowd enjoyed and that's all.

Scrivy? pfft couldn't ride a sidecar to save himself :bleh:

Jim Tuckerman says different to what you're putting out there and is using the Truck meeting as an example of "if you could afford to do that you could afford three rounds", I don't think he has looked to closely at who attended it and how it was paid for if he really thinks that though

Oh JT does read this forum to

Now everyone here knows who each other his so how about letting us know who you are? by pm if you're shy

[Kickaha]

The Fact is steve Bron & Dave Annan have taken it upon themselves to speak to Jim Tuckerman & promote the idea of 3 south island rounds,

One other thing I don't understand if that was correct why would JT listen to them and go for 3 South Island rounds on their say so rather than what the NZSRA have to say?

[jellywrestler]

The truck racing promo event 2 years ago has no influence on this seasons champs what so ever. From what i heard it was a nice display of average riders (except scrivener) that the crowd enjoyed and that's all.
I'd agree that that standalone meeting has nothing to do with this years 'issues' I went; as I've been to the south island nationals for the last couple of years (from north as a spectator) and it was the most enjoyable time I've had with the lads for quite few years. Not saying the other meetings weren't enjoyable but for some reason this one was better, and it was a great one off event for the NZSRA shame people are still squabbling over it really
Also 'from what you've heard' is not a fair comment on those competitors really, or indeed anyone out there giving it a shot, whoever you are you need to be aware that in any sport there can be no first places if there are are no last places; or are you the type of person who needs counselling every time the all blacks come off the feild in second place??
Some years ago the car racing people lured sidecars into a few of their meetings and everyone was about to jump ships and to hell with MNZ cause they thought they'd be treated better bigger crowds, lots of hot young chickys running round in short short mini-skirts wearing low cut tops with push up bras and nipples so hard you could dial a telephone with them etc
It wasn't quite like that although there was lots of hot young chickys running round in short short mini-skirts wearing low cut tops with push up bras and nipples so hard you could dial a telephone with but the car racers quickly resented how popular the sidecars were and saw they were a threat to there meetings and self esteem and things started going down hill from there....
I'm off to ruapuna and yes the feilds are down a bit but I'll still enjoy it...

[sidecar bob]

I'd agree that that standalone meeting has nothing to do with this years 'issues' I went; as I've been to the south island nationals for the last couple of years (from north as a spectator) and it was the most enjoyable time I've had with the lads for quite few years. Not saying the other meetings weren't enjoyable but for some reason this one was better,

After two nights chucking pillows at your head to stop you snoring like a bloody locomotive & three hours sleep, the enjoyment was fast fading for me.
But, yeah, seriously, i know what you mean. From the on track antics, to the camraderie in the pits, to sitting around the table late into the night at the Temuka camping ground with much ale setting the woes of the world to rights, it was unforgettable & thats why we go racing.

[racer40]

nice race report from wangas Kickaha, pity the thread went haywire,& i am glad some came to my rescue on being blamed for all this due to the big car meeting a few attended. The big thing is now after all the threats that we have to do 3 rounds down south to be eligible for a national points series, what happens now there is only 2 ??? not really fair when there is at least 6 moresidecars up here who wanted to come & do 2. anyway hope you & Dave make it to Paeroa & we can have some more close racing. Chris

[Kickaha]

After two nights chucking pillows at your head to stop you snoring like a bloody locomotive & three hours sleep, the enjoyment was fast fading for me..

Which is why my tent was 100metres away

[Pussy]

After two nights chucking pillows at your head to stop you snoring like a bloody locomotive

I would have described the sound as that of a D9 with no muffler, at the bottom of a quarry......

[Str8 Jacket]

I would have described the sound as that of a D9 with no muffler, at the bottom of a quarry......

But still with lot's of gas in it!!

(sorry Spyda, I couldn't resist...)

[White trash]

How the hell someones race report turned into a shit slinging match of these proportions is a bit beyond me. But I'm keen to know more.

There's sweet FA sidecar racing in the North Island with the exception of the streets, and Tri Series. Why is the asscociation adverse to 3 meetings in the south as opposed to two? I mean, you've gotta go down there anyway if there's only two, why not spend another week there? Personally I'd have thought people would be gagging for the extra round. Not being involved I obviously don't know the ins or outs but am genuinely interested if someone can enlighten me.

[jellywrestler]

stop you snoring like a bloody locomotive.

it wasn't snoring, I was in-taking farts for the next day!

[sidecar bob]

How the hell someones race report turned into a shit slinging match of these proportions is a bit beyond me.
Because there is an un equalled level of repressed anger within the ranks as a result of things not being handled according to the majority vote.
This is what happens in a Dictatorshit rather than a Democracy.

[White trash]

Because there is an un equalled level of repressed anger

Really? I never would have guessed....... :rolleyes: Understood, but obviously as I'm not an asscociation member I'm not party to the discussions. Just wondering why the majority didn't want 3 SI rounds is all.

[sidecar bob]

Im dissapointed to see that user RC30 was on Kiwibiker around 8.30 last night, yet didnt give his version of the Timaru truck meeting.

[sidecar bob]

Really? I never would have guessed....... :rolleyes: Understood, but obviously as I'm not an asscociation member I'm not party to the discussions. Just wondering why the majority didn't want 3 SI rounds is all.

That question is probably best answered by either "racer 40" Chris Lawrence, or "Burtsidecar16" Burt Wolland, the NZSRA President. You could p.m either & get them to post the answer on this thread.

[Kickaha]

Because there is an unequaled level of repressed anger within the ranks

You sound like you need a hug:hug:

[scrivy]

:Punk:Holy shite!! I go away for a few days and there's 3 more pages of bollocks!!!!


for your information shit head... Why lower it to name calling??
This snivilling team is spending heaps on their heap of shit to try and dominate the classics - what's the difference???
Calling classic and post classic sidecars heaps of shit has just alienated you from all the sidecar competitors with those machines. Has anyone in that class ever degraded you with a response like that?? Money doesn't buy you friends Steve. I love the class, it's far more enjoyable than the moderns. And more info for you - to save you assuming again, if we wanted to 'dominate' the class as you suggest, then why the hell would we miss an entire round at Manfeild and lose valuable points, when instead we chose to go to the NZSRA's annual "Have-a-go-day" and support our club again?


your passenger is the one posting crap about things he know nothing about! Actually, Sidecar Bob has been right on the money Steve. He may just be a sidecar passenger, but is a highly intelligent individual - that is why we click so well.....:Punk: I don't have a problem other than with your passenger who is a two faced shit stirring twat!! Again, I personally can't see why you need to belittle someone. Yeah, sure Kick and I do it, but it's harmless banter - not personal attacks.

Just like you I was lucky to have someone fund my sidecar so $ has nothing to do with it, Which part of your imagination did you dredge that nonsense up from??? I paid for mine over 2 years - not bad for a 20 year old.


Scrivy I don't know were you heard that from but I was not the one at the MNZ AGM and I had NO part in the three South rounds, if you remember I tried to get a dropped round to counter that but as a Association that was declined - NOT MY DOING SORRY
You were 1 of only 2 N.I. members to put your hand up to doing 3 rounds at our AGM. Also, you cannot influence an up coming years racing after an MNZ conference Steve. If you wanted to have a round dropped, it would have had to have been remitted prior to the MNZ conference.

It dos not matter what I say you have made up your mind, however we did have a meeting down south in which we all agreed to support the Invas round - another faulse promiss andd I will not take the blame for this. The association is in charge of it's destiney. Easy to point fingres Aye!!!!!! If there were only 2 rounds down South, it would have been Ruapuna and Teretonga. Wheres the falseness in that? You've lost me. " I never promissed anything" whats sold us out is the second trip across the ditch to compete at a nothing truck meeting and putting better numbers on that grid than the National rounds - Simple!!!!!!!!! Now you know who to blame If you call 10 or maybe 11 sidecars on the grid in an invitational handicapped race as better than the Nationals, then you seriously have to ask yourself WHAT THE HELLS HAPPENED TO THE NATIONALS???
Oh, by the way, Chris Lawrance didn't even get to race at the truck meeting - so he can't be blamed for it either, by you or Jim.

[sidecar bob]

[COLOR="red"]Calling classic and post classic sidecars heaps of shit has just alienated you from all the sidecar competitors with those machines. Has anyone in that class ever degraded you with a response like that??

Yeah, i keep calling LCR's pathetic money pits & shit like that (all in good fun of course) so i gotta put my hand up for that one.

[sidecar bob]

Its really sad that when you speak a few home truths & take these guys to task with some facts, they all go to ground.
The drama has'nt even begun yet.
Yep, it'll be fuckin waaahhh allright.
They seem to have nothing factual or robust to add to their argument at all.
What you guys need to realise is that while Scrivy & i are the vocal ones on here, there are at least 16 competitors right behind us.
The worst part, is people bullying a senior competitor that had no intention of riding at a meeting into putting in an entry to make up enough numbers to get a round at Ruapuna, even though said gentleman didnt even WATCH the racing (if 3 machines circulating hundreds of metres apart could be afforded the luxury of being described as racing), let alone compete.
It would seem this "ghost entrant" is now very uneasy about his decision to become thus involved, & rightfully so.
I think the change of thread title is a feeble attempt to embaress us & deflect the attention away from downright cheating & make those of us that have stood by the NZSRA & the majority vote, look like a bunch of whingers.
It is tragic that the actions of a very few has the potential to destroy valuable friendships (yes Warwick & Jo, they are valuable) that have been built up over a number of years.

[scrivy]

What you guys need to realise is that while Scrivy & i are the vocal ones on here, there are at least 16 competitors right behind us.

Bob, did you now know that sidecars aren't racing at Teretonga now??!! When did this come about?? This is gunna piss some people off...........

[sidecar bob]

Bob, did you now know that sidecars aren't racing at Teretonga now??!! When did this come about?? This is gunna piss some people off...........

I fuckin know bro. http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/117315-No-sidecars-at-NZSBK-round-2-at-Teretonga-what-s-going-on?p=1129618918#post1129618918 The air is pretty blue at our place at the mo. Tracey is NOT HAPPY.

[White trash]

Fucken 'ell, it's really all turning to shit.

Can I just say that when I first had the experience of having anything to do with Sidecar racing was I think the first year Stacey brought the LCR over at the Puke' round (4 years back?) as the guest of Pig, Goober and Warwick. I was genuinely amazed at the comraderie and good natured ribbing in the pits. Sue got taken for a skid. The Prentice boys went fucken nuts on track. I laughed more in one weekend than I normally would in a year. It was quite simply fucken awesome.

The fact that within 3-4 short years it's been reduced to this genuinely saddens me.

[scrivy]

I was genuinely amazed at the good natured rimming in the pits.

Don't put my name to that........... :shutup::innocent:

[Rcktfsh]

What you guys need to realise is that there are at least 16 competitors right behind us.
.

you don't think this might have something to do with scrivy's shorty short shorts

[yungatart]

I've just read this whole thread....bit sad really. I'm just a lowly flaggy, but I love watching those sidecars out there...best part of the racing from a spectators point of view.
I really hope that you guys can sort your shit out.
The alternative is a pretty sad outcome.

[racer40]

well, i am one of these pissed of competitors. i was told we had to do all 3 rounds down south, which most members in the club could not afford, or take the time of work for, so the NZSRA notified MNZ that we would do 2 rounds to give decent feilds for Christchurch & Teretonga. MNZ did not listen to our club & went ahead with 3 rounds. Now i here not enough entries for invercargill which we warned mnz about & the round is cancelled for sidecars, only found out 2 days before Christchurch so not enough time to get sorted to get there, & now only 2 south island rounds , what the club originally wanted. on top of that there is only 5 yes 5 sidecars racing at those 2 rounds, thats why there is pissed of teams. Chris

[sidecar bob]

I can see a bit of an problem developing here with no sidecars running at Teretonga this weekend.
MNZ made it VERY CLEAR that the NZ champs must be run over five rounds, no exception & no special dispensation for any class to do four, either written or verbal was issued.
Where does this leave us?

[White trash]

I would say without a championship if you put it like that. However, I would imagine that as the decision to pull the plug wasa made squarely by MNZ, then they would most probably just run it as a 4 round series.

[sidecar bob]

I would say without a championship if you put it like that. However, I would imagine that as the decision to pull the plug wasa made squarely by MNZ, then they would most probably just run it as a 4 round series.

That could work out to be very frustrating for those competitors that wanted four rounds to begin with, but were denied that & withdrew from the series accordingly, only to find that it is four anyway.
Surely MNZ can see trouble brewing, having aggrieved the majority of competitors.

[White trash]

For what my opinion is worth mate, it looks very much to me like MNZ don't want Sidecars racing at the nationals. And thus don't actually give a fuck.

[Pussy]

For what my opinion is worth mate, it looks very much to me like MNZ don't want Sidecars racing at the nationals. And thus don't actually give a fuck.

I'm beginning to think that MNZ don't actually know WHAT they want.....

[Kickaha]

I can see a bit of an problem developing here with no sidecars running at Teretonga this weekend.
MNZ made it VERY CLEAR that the NZ champs must be run over five rounds, no exception & no special dispensation for any class to do four, either written or verbal was issued.
Where does this leave us?

The only thing it means is the class wont run at that round

Rule 4-10-8
At closing date for entries, if a minimum of 6 entries have not been received then the
championship class will not run for that year provided that if the event is part of a series
then this will apply only to that round.

[Kickaha]

I can see a bit of an problem developing here with no sidecars running at Teretonga this weekend.
MNZ made it VERY CLEAR that the NZ champs must be run over five rounds, no exception & no special dispensation for any class to do four, either written or verbal was issued.
Where does this leave us?

The only thing it means is the class wont run and/or score points at that round

Rule 4-10-8
At closing date for entries, if a minimum of 6 entries have not been received then the
championship class will not run for that year provided that if the event is part of a series then this will apply only to that round.

[scrivy]

The only thing it means is the class wont run and/or score points at that round


Kick, you've obviously looked at mylaps.com to check out your times around roo a poon a.
Didn't you take a peek at the Championship points (http://www.mylaps.com/championship/view.jsp?id=9619)awarded to that round??

Already been awarded to the sidecar class!!

This really is a cluster f@$k now dude!!

[CHOPPA]

That was a fun read! I reckon you guys should just start riding real bikes......... hahahaha

This should be good.....

[Rcktfsh]

I'm beginning to think that MNZ don't actually know WHAT they want.....

maybe maybe not, its hard to say

[Dutchee]

The only thing it means is the class wont run at that round

Rule 4-10-8
At closing date for entries, if a minimum of 6 entries have not been received then the
championship class will not run for that year provided that if the event is part of a series
then this will apply only to that round.

So, if they've only got 5 entries for the next two rounds, does that mean the races won't run and therefore the championship will be non-existent this year?

I only know what you guys/gals have been posting (with lots of it being cryptic), so 'scuse the dumb questions/statements.

How many chairs are currently competing/running in NZ, that are/would be eligible for the championship events? Is 6 a fair number of entries or is that too many?

[sidecar bob]

So, if they've only got 5 entries for the next two rounds, does that mean the races won't run and therefore the championship will be non-existent this year?

I only know what you guys/gals have been posting (with lots of it being cryptic), so 'scuse the dumb questions/statements.

How many chairs are currently competing/running in NZ, that are/would be eligible for the championship events? Is 6 a fair number of entries or is that too many?
Good on you for wading in (no, seriously) with a great post.
Its not cryptic, so much as "inside jargon" for want of a better description.
Managed correctly, it would be quite feasible to get 20 outfits on the grid for most all of the nationals. We had 19 a few years ago & theres more in the country now.
There would have been at least another eight (without me even putting pen to paper) down south this year if things had gone according to the wishes of the NZSRA majority.
Six is a very unfair number, seeing as it was actually five, plus an old bloke that was bullied into putting in an entry who didint even show up on the day (see my earlier post) so the pair of blokes that wanted three rounds, could get the origonal two anyway.
If a NZ championship title is awarded this year, it will be the lamest win in the entire history of racing of any type ever, & if i was the recipient (and i wouldnt be because we wouldnt even have bothered to unload the sidecar if four others that were in a completely different (lower) league to us turned up) i would chuck it in with the recycling the following Thursday, because thats all it would be worth.

[fossil]

Good on you for wading in (no, seriously) with a great post.
Its not cryptic, so much as "inside jargon" for want of a better description.
Managed correctly, it would be quite feasible to get 20 outfits on the grid for most all of the nationals. We had 19 a few years ago & theres more in the country now.
There would have been at least another eight (without me even putting pen to paper) down south this year if things had gone according to the wishes of the NZSRA majority.
Six is a very unfair number, seeing as it was actually five, plus an old bloke that was bullied into putting in an entry who didint even show up on the day (see my earlier post) so the pair of blokes that wanted three rounds, could get the origonal two anyway.
If a NZ championship title is awarded this year, it will be the lamest win in the entire history of racing of any type ever, & if i was the recipient (and i wouldnt be because we wouldnt even have bothered to unload the sidecar if four others that were in a completely different (lower) league to us turned up) i would chuck it in with the recycling the following Thursday, because thats all it would be worth.

I agree entirely Sidecar Bob, It is obvious that the Championships aren't supported and such low entry numbers are only an embarrassment to the organisers and motorcycling as a whole. Its time they went back to being a support class only.

[sidecar bob]

I agree entirely Sidecar Bob, It is obvious that the Championships aren't supported and such low entry numbers are only an embarrassment to the organisers and motorcycling as a whole. Its time they went back to being a support class only.

The only reason they wer'nt supported this year, is because the goalpoasts were moved regarding number of rounds, very close to the start of the season & after the NZSRA AGM, that is the only reason for low numbers this year & this year alone.
For instance, my household alone would have contributed two more outfits to the grid had things all gone according to plan.
These things are no use parked up in the shed, but thats what happens when the governing body dosent listen to the wishes of the association.
In this instance the organisers have embarrased themselves by not listening to the sidecar association's repeated requests for two South Isl rounds, with predictable results.
And arent they a support class already anyway?

[Shaun]

Thought about racing Chairs again soon, but Fuck this thread has scared me off big time

[sidecar bob]

Thought about racing Chairs again soon, but Fuck this thread has scared me off big time

Fair enough, Why's that big fella?
Id be more concerned about what isint here rather than what is.
You can imagine how i feel when i read a thread about "production racing" where everyone needs to spend 6K on suspension then.

[Tony.OK]

This is a little off topic but was there a time when Chairs raced at club meetings?

Looks like alot of fun, and to be able to share costs/fun would be a great thing too, trouble is there don't seem to be alot of meetings (nth isl anyway) to justify having the $$ tied up.

[sidecar bob]

This is a little off topic but was there a time when Chairs raced at club meetings?

Looks like alot of fun, and to be able to share costs/fun would be a great thing too, trouble is there don't seem to be alot of meetings (nth isl anyway) to justify having the $$ tied up.

Yes, that was when you could own & run a reasonable one very cheaply.
Scrivy & i came third in the NZ champs in '87 on a machine that cost $1600, now you wouldnt even be in the hunt for much under 50k.
There is huge scope in this country for F2 sidecars, the same as Tracey & Astrid have. They are absolutely awesome to ride & dont wear tyres bits out as fast as other larger machines & use popular 600cc engines.
I think its time to seriously think about running off some new chassis to get the ball rolling.

[wharfy]

Yes, that was when you could own & run a reasonable one very cheaply.
Scrivy & i came third in the NZ champs in '87 on a machine that cost $1600, now you wouldnt even be in the hunt for much under 50k.
There is huge scope in this country for F2 sidecars, the same as Tracey & Astrid have. They are absolutely awesome to ride & dont wear tyres bits out as fast as other larger machines & use popular 600cc engines.
I think its time to seriously think about running off some new chassis to get the ball rolling.

Hmm.... The number of times I've crashed the 675 maybe I should consider turning it into a sidecar.
How do you think the 675 tripple would go in an outfit ?

[BIG DOUG]

Will at least it would be the nicest sounding bike out there.

[scrivy]

Thought about racing Chairs again soon, but Fuck this thread has scared me off big time

Why dude? Not sick or perverted enough???? :wacko:;):lol:

You'd love having a passenger climbing over your back........... :pinch:

[sidecar bob]

Hmm.... The number of times I've crashed the 675 maybe I should consider turning it into a sidecar.
How do you think the 675 tripple would go in an outfit ?

Interestingly, we are looking at repowering Traceys pink bike because it has a '96 Yamaha in it thats obviously not the latest thing anymore & one of the top Aussie sidecar mechanics said a 675 would be the best option.
They seem to be a very tall motor though, which may be challenging.

[Duke girl]

Hmm.... The number of times I've crashed the 675 maybe I should consider turning it into a sidecar.
How do you think the 675 tripple would go in an outfit ?

There a things called training wheels Wharfy, they will help you keep your 675 upright. Problem solved.

[wharfy]

Interestingly, we are looking at repowering Traceys pink bike because it has a '96 Yamaha in it thats obviously not the latest thing anymore & one of the top Aussie sidecar mechanics said a 675 would be the best option.
They seem to be a very tall motor though, which may be challenging.

People seem to wreck them a lot - 3 on trademe in the last month !! wrecked 675's seem to go for a LOT of money (I actually bid on one which went for over 7 GRAND - I'd dropped out way before that though ) one went for over 5 grand and the one still running is over 3 grand and it is well fucked
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=267818917

[wharfy]

Thought about racing Chairs again soon, but Fuck this thread has scared me off big time

Talk about co-incidence ! I was reading a book recently (well looking at the pictures) and there was one of a youthfull Shaun Harris as a sidecar passenger at the Hamilton Lake road circuit !! I was not going to mention it but seeing as you hvae "come out" as it were I guess it is OK to talk about it now ?
How long were you a swinger ?

[scrivy]

How long were you a swinger ?

Get enough piss into him, and you'll find he still is......... :lol:

[sidecar bob]

Talk about co-incidence ! I was reading a book recently (well looking at the pictures) and there was one of a youthfull Shaun Harris as a sidecar passenger at the Hamilton Lake road circuit !! I was not going to mention it but seeing as you hvae "come out" as it were I guess it is OK to talk about it now ?
How long were you a swinger ?

Ive seen the same photo. The other bloke was Geoff McLaren. I could tell you a story about those two, a trailer & an old XC Falcon wagon. Oh, and some kick arse weed.

[pubic hare]

Managed correctly, it would be quite feasible to get 20 outfits on the grid for most all of the nationals. We had 19 a few years ago & theres more in the country now.
If a NZ championship title is awarded this year, it will be the lamest win in the entire history of racing of any type ever, & if i was the recipient (and i wouldnt be because we wouldnt even have bothered to unload the sidecar if four others that were in a completely different (lower) league to us turned up) i would chuck it in with the recycling the following Thursday, because thats all it would be worth.

Thats a pathetic attitude, and a two faced one too. There were only three or four Post Classic sidecars at the final round of the Tri Series and you and Scrivy 'bothered' to get yours off the trailer and also proudly took the prize too (have you chucked out this one in the recycling like you said you would). What was different about this series eh?
There's a number of people unhappy with the NZ Nationals for sidecars Bob, and have said their bit, you and Scrivy are the only ones still whining on about it; seems to me that you're a spoilt child who should've aired your veiws and left it at that a long time ago as now anything you say is not worth a pinch of shit really

[sidecar bob]

An interesting & poorly researched view, but one you are entitled to none the less.
Having had the President of the NZSRA on the phone 3 minutes before reading your pearls of wisdom, i can assure you we are not the only ones "Still whining on about it" either.
As for the Tri series trophy, they were kinda crap looking & more of a handy drinks tray, so i'll probably hang on to it for now.

[old fartz]

after the first round we were leading the series but a motor that let go stopped us as did several other post classic side cars but thats racing

[gixerracer]

i love this place you guys moan way more than the other guys

[woodyracer]

:corn::corn::corn:

[scrivy]

Thats a pathetic attitude, and a two faced one too. There were only three or four Post Classic sidecars at the final round of the Tri Series and you and Scrivy 'bothered' to get yours off the trailer and also proudly took the prize too (have you chucked out this one in the recycling like you said you would). What was different about this series eh?
I'm not going to get on here and bag your comment, but the biggest difference in your statement is the fact that we race our BMW sidecar in the same league as others eg. Bob is referring to the fact that our machine is not far superior to most others in the class. Without a doubt our machine is far removed from others we race against. We do not run on methanol, we run a standard cam, we run an alternator and starter, we even have decompression plates under the barrels, and run thicker head gaskets to further detune it. I'm picking our machine would also be the least expensive in the class.

There's a number of people unhappy with the NZ Nationals for sidecars Bob, and have said their bit, you and Scrivy are the only ones still whining on about it; seems to me that you're a spoilt child who should've aired your veiws and left it at that a long time ago as now anything you say is not worth a pinch of shit really
As Bob said, there's a huge number of people very aggrieved by the situation this year. Bobs quite within his right to have his disapproval, as his and Tracey's team have spent lots of time and money (as have over 8 other teams) just to find out they couldn't compete in the championship that was agreed upon. You have to also remember that most competitors don't use or even know about KB, so don't get on here to voice their opinions.
Bob and I obviously don't have a life, hence we spend lots of time on KB...... :shit:

[Shaun]

Talk about co-incidence ! I was reading a book recently (well looking at the pictures) and there was one of a youthfull Shaun Harris as a sidecar passenger at the Hamilton Lake road circuit !! I was not going to mention it but seeing as you hvae "come out" as it were I guess it is OK to talk about it now ?
How long were you a swinger ?



Ask My Wife Ha ha, Na, only a few race meets mate, but loved it, now to get my hands on one to drive/ride

[Shaun]

Ive seen the same photo. The other bloke was Geoff McLaren. I could tell you a story about those two, a trailer & an old XC Falcon wagon. Oh, and some kick arse weed.


I blaim it on being a youngster at the time haha haha

[sidecar bob]

i love this place you guys moan way more than the other guys

More wheels equals more to moan about. I was hoping this thread was turning into a general sidecar chit chat thread, because i was kinda over it.

[sidecar bob]

I blaim it on being a youngster at the time haha haha

I blame it on that bloke Neil that had the old International Ambulance bike transporter that raced a TZ350.
Does anyone remember him?
Its kind of a, "if you knew him you probably wont remember him" situation, if you get my drift.

[pubic hare]

Managed correctly, it would be quite feasible to get 20 outfits on the grid for most all of the nationals. We had 19 a few years ago & theres more in the country now.
There would have been at least another eight (without me even putting pen to paper) down south this year if things had gone according to the wishes of the NZSRA majority.

.

OK sidecar bob, why don't we take a poll to see whether you should be the manager of this whole show?

Before that its' time to put your money where your mouth is and start listing those 20, yes twenty, sidecars that you say feasibly could be on the grid for the national championships.

[sidecar bob]

OK sidecar bob, why don't we take a poll to see whether you should be the manager of this whole show?

Before that its' time to put your money where your mouth is and start listing those 20, yes twenty, sidecars that you say feasibly could be on the grid for the national championships.

Another interesting post completely devoid of any thought or research.
Fortunately I have had considerable experience in coping with this level of intelligence, having swung on sidecars over a number of years & having dealt with the riders of these machines.
While I am flattered that you would would want to run a poll to gauge my popularity, that is entirely unnecessary as sidecar racing has a sound management structure called the NZSRA. The "Manager" or prospective President, is nominated at the AGM & subsequently voted in on a majority vote system.
The function of the President is to communicate the wishes of the majority to the organisers & powers that be, in order to maximise the benifit for ALL competitors.
This system falls down when individuals bypass this procedure to promote their own agenda's at which point the system becomes a dictatorship (many following the wishes of a few)
"Correctly managed" would include all members conveying their wishes through the association, with organisers & officials listening to the wishes of the association & acting accordingly, combined discount shipping for competitors crossing Cook Straight, and possibly the reinstatment of prize money at national events as a "carrot" to attract further entries.
As for listing twenty competitors that would compete in the National Championship, im sure you can source an association member list, the competitors would come from this list, although it would be presumptuous of me to actually name names.
I may be slightly out with my machine count, because as i recall, a new competitor was sold a machine with a serious design flaw (Coroners finding, not my opinion) which subsequently failed, taking the passengers life. I understand anecdotally that this machine was later deliberately destroyed. And while another top machine was unfortunately also destroyed in a crash in Australia, It still leaves us with a considerable pool of functioning machines.
I have a photo on my lounge wall taken by Ewen Cameron at the National champs in '07 & widely circulated amongst competitors at the time, with twenty sidecars & their crews in it, which i am happy to name & number on here.
I see no reason why it is not feasible to have a repeat of that turn out seeing as all but one of the machines in the photo still exists, & several more top machines that have been manufactured since that date are about these days.
I hope this helps,
Cheers, Steve.

[Bykmad]

Bob.

Good answer.
I have one question. (Not of you Bob, because we all know who you are, as a number of people know who I am.)
Who is Pubic Hare??????
Could it possibly be someone hiding behind an alias? Surely not

[Kickaha]

Who is Pubic Hare??????
Could it possibly be someone hiding behind an alias? Surely not

I asked the same question of that one post wonder "Rotary" but he/she was to gutless to answer

Had a wonderful time racing on the weekend pity you weren't all down here:innocent:

Back later to ask some questions and maybe to provide some answer for some of what Bob has said

Still awaiting a decent reply from Jim Tuckerman as he's dodging around the issue rather than addressing it and still using the Timaru truck meeting as an excuse

[howdamnhard]

Full coverage of the sidecar racing is now up on www.speedbox.tv

Cool link , thanks.

[Kickaha]

Thought about racing Chairs again soon, but Fuck this thread has scared me off big time

Not man enough more likely :bleh:


This is a little off topic but was there a time when Chairs raced at club meetings?

Looks like alot of fun, and to be able to share costs/fun would be a great thing too, trouble is there don't seem to be alot of meetings (nth isl anyway) to justify having the $$ tied up.

The South still has a reasonably active club scene with anything up to 7-9 meetings available for us to compete at, but if we get 6 outfits on the gird it's considered a good field although all going well that will change this year as there seems to be renewed interest down here

The North in moderns hasn't had a club scene for some time now and I think unless someone takes on the job of organising it is unlikely to


Yes, that was when you could own & run a reasonable one very cheaply.
Scrivy & i came third in the NZ champs in '87 on a machine that cost $1600, now you wouldnt even be in the hunt for much under 50k.

1987 is 23 years ago and ancient history

Like all classes it has changed, not everyone is happy with the change but that doesn't mean it is wrong, it just means it is different than what it used to be and it is unlikely to ever go back


There is huge scope in this country for F2 sidecars, the same as Tracey & Astrid have. They are absolutely awesome to ride & dont wear tyres bits out as fast as other larger machines & use popular 600cc engines.
I think its time to seriously think about running off some new chassis to get the ball rolling.

I'm not so sure of the "huge scope" for F2 and sooner or later someone will bring in new LCR or DMR F2 bikes and the bitching about chequebook racers will start all over


i love this place you guys moan way more than the other guys

Possibly, but we crash less than you do :bleh:



Before that its' time to put your money where your mouth is and start listing those 20, yes twenty, sidecars that you say feasibly could be on the grid for the national championships.

The numbers really are there, a lot of them sitting unused in peoples shed, I rang a guy yesterday to see if he'd be interested in selling as the outfit hasn't been used for the last 5-6 years only got an answer phone and he hasn't returned the call so I guess it will sit there a while longer


Another interesting post completely devoid of any thought or research.
Fortunately I have had considerable experience in coping with this level of intelligence, having swung on sidecars over a number of years & having dealt with Scrivy.
Fixed that for you :laugh:



"Correctly managed" would include all members conveying their wishes through the association, with organisers & officials listening to the wishes of the association & acting accordingly, combined discount shipping for competitors crossing Cook Straight, and possibly the reinstatment of prize money at national events as a "carrot" to attract further entries.

The current organiser and especially the MNZ President seem less than interested in what the NZSRA (an affiliated club) and it's membership have to say, I think the NZSRA membership should be letting them know in no uncertain terms what they think and that we should lobby the NZSRA membership to Vote JT out at the next election, hopefully someone who will once again listen to what the membership want will stand against him

Prize money was never an attraction for me and the money paid was lucky if it'd pay for your gas so unless it increased substantially I doubt it would be much of a carrot


As for listing twenty competitors that would compete in the National Championship, im sure you can source an association member list, the competitors would come from this list, although it would be presumptuous of me to actually name names.

So you really mean you have no idea:shifty:



It still leaves us with a considerable pool of functioning machines.
Most of which seem to sit in peoples sheds for most of the year and come out for 1-2 meetings


I have a photo on my lounge wall taken by Ewen Cameron at the National champs in '07 & widely circulated amongst competitors at the time, with twenty sidecars & their crews in it, which i am happy to name & number on here.

20 sidecars but only 19 crews, don't forget two of them belonged to the Pirate, ask Rat how much exercise he got that season:msn-wink:


I see no reason why it is not feasible to have a repeat of that turn out seeing as all but one of the machines in the photo still exists, & several more top machines that have been manufactured since that date are about these days.

All but one may still exist but how many have been actively raced in the last year? probably 1/2

Also wasn't it that year entry fees were subsidised? and travel money was paid

In Chch area we have 8 either racing or in various states of disrepair/rebuild, in the North I would expect 2-3 times that number so I see no reason we couldn't have fields of 20+ if everyone was sufficiently motivated enough to attend, how we supply that motivation I have no idea

[racer40]

lots of good answers to the threads kickaha

[Taz]

Veri entataneing fred but yous guyz cunt speil fur shite.

[FROSTY]

Guys can I ask please. And No Im not pisstaking. Given that dirt chairs race same track,same time as stockcars.(same day)Why do you guys race the bike nationals rather than in with the car nationals? I heard that the chairs were seen as a welcolm addition to some events

[scrivy]

1987 is 23 years ago and ancient history Twas a time of real men........


Possibly, but we crash less than you do :bleh: There's also less homos in the sidecar scene......... :shutup:


The current organiser and especially the MNZ President seem less than interested in what the NZSRA (an affiliated club) and it's membership have to say, I think the NZSRA membership should be letting them know in no uncertain terms what they think and that we should lobby the NZSRA membership to Vote JT out at the next election, hopefully someone who will once again listen to what the membership want will stand against him Why do we need MNZ for a series?? They keep accusing us of a breakaway anyway!!

Prize money was never an attraction for me and the money paid was lucky if it'd pay for your gas so unless it increased substantially I doubt it would be much of a carrot What if it was a pie instead of a carrot.......????



So you really mean you have no idea:shifty: And the lightbulb goes on......



Most of which seem to sit in peoples sheds for most of the year and come out for 1-2 meetings
and kick peoples asses in the process......... :laugh:


20 sidecars but only 19 crews, don't forget two of them belonged to the Pirate, ask Rat how much exercise he got that season:msn-wink: Are you saying some of us are a sandwich short of a picnic......??


Also wasn't it that year entry fees were subsidised? and travel money was paid The good bastards at Taupo Plastics subsidised the entries that year........

In Chch area we have 8 either racing or in various states of disrepair/rebuild, in the North I would expect 2-3 times that number so I see no reason we couldn't have fields of 20+ if everyone was sufficiently motivated enough to attend, how we supply that motivation I have no idea

The very reason why I feel I should never convert over to a long bike. In all seriousness, I feel that all the short bike owners would cut the friggin things up for never again being competitive enough for the nationals. Maybe......... we should run a short bike cup in conjunction with the F1?????

[scrivy]

I have one question. Who is Pubic Hare??????
Could it possibly be someone hiding behind an alias? Surely not

Or from someone's fan club!!! :laugh::shutup::innocent::Punk:

[White trash]

There's also less homos in the sidecar scene.........


Ummmm, Divvo never stayed at your place obviously mate. We're reluctant to have him back at best.......


The very reason why I feel I should never convert over to a long bike. In all seriousness, I feel that all the short bike owners would cut the friggin things up for never again being competitive enough for the nationals. Maybe......... we should run a short bike cup in conjunction with the F1?????


And THIS is without a doubt, the single best possible solution I've yet read in response to the issues thus far. The only issue would be someone would still import an LCR F2 to win a championship. If the rules could be written, that the existing "short chair" technology is legal without the big dollars being spent, and a seperate championship in the same series, I'm confident numbers would once again be boosted and more new blood introduced.

Let's face it, everyone wants to go as fast as possible and those that can, would step up to the Long bike class just to go faster. Those that want to race, have fun could spent ten on a rig and still be competitive within their own championship to a reasonable degree.

Personal experience, Drew and I have looked at a couple of rigs. We want to have fun BUT, we're Mairs. We want to be at least a little bit competitive. No way can we come up with 50 G in our current circumstance but if someone said, "Here's a class you can run against similar machines for 10" we'd be in. NZ's far different to other countries. We don't have the income or sponsorship available to run an F1 F2 series, but short and long? Makes perfect sense.

[sidecar bob]

I am now the proud owner of Four R6 engines & Three YZF600 engines, i will be using two of the arse sex engines in Traceys thing & the rest will be for sale at knockdown prices to anyone wanting to build & run a F2 machine.

[ashracer]

Still awaiting a decent reply from Jim Tuckerman as he's dodging around the issue rather than addressing it and still using the Timaru truck meeting as an excuse[/QUOTE]
Hi Warwick, Ash here. (Chris and Richies mechanic.) As a non competitor i have been watching these threads from a distance, with 2000 views i think a lot of people are. I have been drawn into it now as Jim Tuckerman is blaming the Timaru Truck race meet for the low turn out at the nationals. (I think RC30 also said "its you guys fucked the nationals by going to the truck racing".
Well i was one of the guys who went and rode a sidecar that weekend, (Darrell Dowmans) also Burt was on the girls bike, richie lawrance having his 2nd ride,(Chris injured) Brian reid, Scrivvy & Bob, and about 5 of you south island guys. I hope you agree Warwic that meeting was done with nothing but the best of intentions to showcase sidecars to a new audience. How anyone can think otherwise i cant understand. It was the generosity of Leighton Minnell, Darrell Dowman and many others that allowed that event to happen. I was phoned on the thursday afternoon to see if i could ride a bike as two were being sent down with no riders after (I believe) Steve Bron pulled out of the event. I then booked a flight at a cost of $500 to fly to ChCh the next day and raced a sidecar that i had never sat on before, and I had NOT raced since 1996.I did this as my contribution to help the sport of sidecar racing. I cant see how this, or spyda travelling down to commentate, or Rat driving for about 4 days to get bikes down there has any influence on the nationals, and i find it offensive to have blame directed at me for damaging a sport that i have been directly & constantly involved in since 1986, both in NZ & UK.
We have to remember that at any one time there is only a few people in NZ wanting to race a sidecar. Yes there a lot more people capable of racing, those who have one in the shed for the last few years, or people like me, spike, spyda who are capable but choose not too. (For the safety of everyone else in my case!) So the 50 or so people out of 4 million Kiwis who want to race a sidecar next year really have to stick together for the best chance of the sport.

[sidecar bob]

Not man enough more likely :bleh:



The South still has a reasonably active club scene with anything up to 7-9 meetings available for us to compete at, but if we get 6 outfits on the gird it's considered a good field although all going well that will change this year as there seems to be renewed interest down here

The North in moderns hasn't had a club scene for some time now and I think unless someone takes on the job of organising it is unlikely to



1987 is 23 years ago and ancient history
Interestingly, looking at mylaps, we can still kick your arse when we can be bothered after all that time too.
Like all classes it has changed, not everyone is happy with the change but that doesn't mean it is wrong, it just means it is different than what it used to be and it is unlikely to ever go back
Absolutely, thats why we got a classic, although its only 12 years older than our "modern"


I'm not so sure of the "huge scope" for F2 and sooner or later someone will bring in new LCR or DMR F2 bikes and the bitching about chequebook racers will start all over

Yup, some people cant stand losing

Possibly, but we crash less than you do :bleh:
Training wheels will do that


The numbers really are there, a lot of them sitting unused in peoples shed, I rang a guy yesterday to see if he'd be interested in selling as the outfit hasn't been used for the last 5-6 years only got an answer phone and he hasn't returned the call so I guess it will sit there a while longer
Yep, whats with that?

Fixed that for you :laugh:
It was actually a fine Aussie chap named Bill that i swung for in '92 that raised that comment, Munter is far to kind a term


The current organiser and especially the MNZ President seem less than interested in what the NZSRA (an affiliated club) and it's membership have to say, I think the NZSRA membership should be letting them know in no uncertain terms what they think and that we should lobby the NZSRA membership to Vote JT out at the next election, hopefully someone who will once again listen to what the membership want will stand against him
I wish we could fix that with him

Prize money was never an attraction for me and the money paid was lucky if it'd pay for your gas so unless it increased substantially I doubt it would be much of a carrot
Some people get their jollies over it & if you go ok it ticks up over a season
So you really mean you have no idea:shifty:
I had no intention of making up a huge sweeping & un researched lie


Most of which seem to sit in peoples sheds for most of the year and come out for 1-2 meetings



20 sidecars but only 19 crews, don't forget two of them belonged to the Pirate, ask Rat how much exercise he got that season:msn-wink:

If we'd needed to make up the numbers to get a start im sure Choppa wudda ridden it, & poor old rat, for the next two seasons i only recognised him when he was pushing a short bike. I was quite surprised how tall he was when i finally saw im stand up at the end of the season.

All but one may still exist but how many have been actively raced in the last year? probably 1/2

Also wasn't it that year entry fees were subsidised? and travel money was paid

In Chch area we have 8 either racing or in various states of disrepair/rebuild, in the North I would expect 2-3 times that number so I see no reason we couldn't have fields of 20+ if everyone was sufficiently motivated enough to attend, how we supply that motivation I have no idea
I think getting on the phone & giving these people some verbal encouragment may work better than an e mail that they read for two seconds

[Kickaha]

The very reason why I feel I should never convert over to a long bike. In all seriousness, I feel that all the short bike owners would cut the friggin things up for never again being competitive enough for the nationals. Maybe......... we should run a short bike cup in conjunction with the F1?????


Not a bad idea, not much different from the Tier 1/2 that was run a few years ago that seemed to work OK


Interestingly, looking at mylaps, we can still kick your arse when we can be bothered after all that time too.

Unless you're on the same track on the same day laptimes don't really count for that much



And THIS is without a doubt, the single best possible solution I've yet read in response to the issues thus far. The only issue would be someone would still import an LCR F2 to win a championship. If the rules could be written, that the existing "short chair" technology is legal without the big dollars being spent, and a seperate championship in the same series, I'm confident numbers would once again be boosted and more new blood introduced.

I'm not so sure it would increase the numbers and I still believe a decent short chair with a good crew would clean up most if not all of the long chairs, I don't see the long chairs as being that much better and I don't believe anyone in the country can ride a long chair as hard as they do in Europe

You only have to compare how quick Stacey was here against the locals to how he went in Superside and Abbots campaign in the land of OZ to see what I mean



Hi Warwick, Ash here. (Chris and Richies mechanic.) As a non competitor i have been watching these threads from a distance, with 2000 views i think a lot of people are. I have been drawn into it now as Jim Tuckerman is blaming the Timaru Truck race meet for the low turn out at the nationals. (I think RC30 also said "its you guys fucked the nationals by going to the truck racing".

That is the excuse Tuckerman is using below is a direct quote from his email

3) For several years the sidecar Championship was run over four rounds as a strong case was put forward regarding costs. Unfortunately this case was completely blown out of the water by the twelve teams, who were happy to incurred extra costs, returning to the South Island for a car/bike meeting.

This was despite being given a rundown on what teams attended and how it was financed


I was phoned on the thursday afternoon to see if i could ride a bike as two were being sent down with no riders after (I believe) Steve Bron pulled out of the event. I then booked a flight at a cost of $500 to fly to ChCh the next day and raced a sidecar that i had never sat on before, and I had NOT raced since 1996.I did this as my contribution to help the sport of sidecar racing. I cant see how this, or spyda travelling down to commentate, or Rat driving for about 4 days to get bikes down there has any influence on the nationals, and i find it offensive to have blame directed at me for damaging a sport that i have been directly & constantly involved in since 1986, both in NZ & UK.

And I for one are grateful you came to make up the numbers

Yes Steve pulled out after a Motorcycle crash a few weeks before the event which meant he was going into surgery on the Monday morning

I also can't see how that meeting can be blamed but he's doing it, his contact email is on the MNZ website and I would suggest anyone who can email him to indicate their displeasure with his argument that it has

[sidecar bob]

***********
Not a bad idea, not much different from the Tier 1/2 that was run a few years ago that seemed to work OK



Unless you're on the same track on the same day laptimes don't really count for that much
Still makes me feel better to know that we can though.


I'm not so sure it would increase the numbers and I still believe a decent short chair with a good crew would clean up most if not all of the long chairs, I don't see the long chairs as being that much better and I don't believe anyone in the country can ride a long chair as hard as they do in Europe
Wise words Kick, well done, youre not just a fat pie muncher after all
You only have to compare how quick Stacey was here against the locals to how he went in Superside and Abbots campaign in the land of OZ to see what I mean



That is the excuse Tuckerman is using below is a direct quote from his email

3) For several years the sidecar Championship was run over four rounds as a strong case was put forward regarding costs. Unfortunately this case was completely blown out of the water by the twelve teams, who were happy to incurred extra costs, returning to the South Island for a car/bike meeting.

This was despite being given a rundown on what teams attended and how it was financed

I believe this is the only excuse that can be used to explain away the failure of the current series which completely absolves MNZ of any fault & squarely lays the blame with NZSRA members & Motorsport NZ. It is merely political manoveuring, rightly or wrongly.

And I for one are grateful you came to make up the numbers

Yes Steve pulled out after a Motorcycle crash a few weeks before the event which meant he was going into surgery on the Monday morning

I also can't see how that meeting can be blamed but he's doing it, his contact email is on the MNZ website and I would suggest anyone who can email him to indicate their displeasure with his argument that it has

[scrivy]

Ummmm, Divvo never stayed at your place obviously mate. We're reluctant to have him back at best....... er... he has.... just don't tell anyone.....

And THIS is without a doubt, the single best possible solution I've yet read in response to the issues thus far. The only issue would be someone would still import an LCR F2 to win a championship. If the rules could be written, that the existing "short chair" technology is legal without the big dollars being spent, and a seperate championship in the same series, I'm confident numbers would once again be boosted and more new blood introduced.
What about no professionally built chairs??

Personal experience, Drew and I have looked at a couple of rigs. We want to have fun BUT, we're Mairs. We want to be at least a little bit competitive. No way can we come up with 50 G in our current circumstance but if someone said, "Here's a class you can run against similar machines for 10" we'd be in. NZ's far different to other countries. We don't have the income or sponsorship available to run an F1 F2 series, but short and long? Makes perfect sense.

Ya reckon you've got 10 inches???????? You sick sick mother.........

[White trash]

Ya reckon you've got 10 inches???????? You sick sick mother.........

I meant between us.......... 'know, five each.

[scrivy]

I meant between us.......... 'know, five each.

um..... ok, so is that soft or hard?????? :shifty::rolleyes::clap:

[scrivy]

for 10" we'd be in.

But divided by two, you'd only just be in..... :laugh::shit::shutup:

[Tony.OK]

But divided by two, you'd only just be in..... :laugh::shit::shutup:

Whether its all the way or only just...........both the same result!

At least your participating :innocent: Any less and your only playin by yourself :laugh:

[White trash]

But divided by two, you'd only just be in..... :laugh::shit::shutup:

Ahh the "Angry Spaghetti" worms its way in there and does the damage mate, irrespective of size.

[scrivy]

Personal experience, Drew and I have looked at a couple of rigs. We want to have fun BUT, we're Mairs. We want to be at least a little bit competitive. No way can we come up with 50 G in our current circumstance but if someone said, "Here's a class you can run against similar machines for 10" we'd be in. NZ's far different to other countries. We don't have the income or sponsorship available to run an F1 F2 series, but short and long? Makes perfect sense.

Thought about classic sidechairs?? They are friggin truckloads more fun than the moderns (believe me!!) and they have a budget of about 1/10th or less than $2000 a season!! You need to passenger for me in a practice sometime!! If you don't get off looking like Sidecar Bob, then you ain't doing it right!!
Oh hang on, back to that 5 inches again.......... you won't look like Sidecar Bob!! er... maybe soft.....

[Kickaha]

What about no professionally built chairs??.

Define professionally built?



Personal experience, Drew and I have looked at a couple of rigs. We want to have fun BUT, we're Mairs. We want to be at least a little bit competitive. No way can we come up with 50 G in our current circumstance but if someone said, "Here's a class you can run against similar machines for 10" we'd be in. NZ's far different to other countries. We don't have the income or sponsorship available to run an F1 F2 series, but short and long? Makes perfect sense.

I reckon if you had a budget of around 15K for an outfit then if you and Drew got your head around how to ride it, getting up into the top 5-6 wouldn't be out of the question, getting any further than that might require a larger investment

Although I've generally run up in the top 5 in any of the classes I've raced some of the best races I've had have been for positions much further back, for me it's not about winning it's about racing

[scrivy]

Define professionally built?

You two bit munter funker sidecar passenger!! Are you stoopid??? Some phucker that gets paid to do it as their main job........


I reckon if you had a budget of around 15K for an outfit then if you and Drew got your head around how to ride it, getting up into the top 5-6 wouldn't be out of the question, getting any further than that might require a larger investment +1

Although I've generally run up in the top 5 in any of the classes I've raced some of the best races I've had have been for positions much further back, for me it's not about winning it's about racing
WTF??? Racing???? What you doing on the back of Divvos thing then???:dodge::killingme

[Kickaha]

WTF??? Racing???? What you doing on the back of Divvos thing then???:dodge::killingme

Sleeping mostly

So would you consider the Anderson outfits professionally built you muppet? might not be their main job but look how they come out

[Squiggles]

Giving it a go this weekend at the classics on #128 , we'll see where this takes me :eek5:

[Kickaha]

Giving it a go this weekend at the classics on #128 , we'll see where this takes me :eek5:

Don't forget it's a slab of piss if you fall off

[Squiggles]

Don't forget it's a slab of piss if you fall off

I'll keep that in mind :crazy:

[JayRacer37]

Holy shit, are you guys actually GETTING ALONG for the last page and a bit!?!?!?

[Kickaha]

Holy shit, are you guys actually GETTING ALONG for the last page and a bit!?!?!?

Dont hold your breath it can't last

[Dutchee]

Giving it a go this weekend at the classics on #128 , we'll see where this takes me :eek5:

Sooooo? How'd it go? Last race on Sunday it looked like you were getting there (I take it you were the swinger), as you definitely had a bigger gap to last place than the other races we'd watched.

Missed what actually happened at the start with the front bikes as was watching out for #128 ;) (did see the hand go up though lol).

[Shaun]

Holy shit, are you guys actually GETTING ALONG for the last page and a bit!?!?!?





Doubt it bloke, some could not even get to the sth to race bah ha ha ha

and it is twice as cheap to race a chair than a solo

[scrivy]

Dont hold your breath it can't last

Just like you swinging on my short chair kick...... :killingme:rofl:

[sidecar bob]

Missed what actually happened at the start with the front bikes as was watching out for #128 ;) (did see the hand go up though lol).

We were on the BMW in the middle of the front row between the yellow Norton & the Moto Guzzi.
As we hooked 2nd gear (about 90kmh) John on the Guzzi took a hard right turn into us, pushing us into the Norton & making the handlebars turn left, which nearly put us upside down.
As we were squeezed out the back, i saw the Guzzi & Norton hit together & dissapear around turn one.
As you can imagine, it was a lot of fun, & i guess thats the main thing.

[scrivy]

We were on the BMW in the middle of the front row between the yellow Norton & the Moto Guzzi.
As we hooked 2nd gear (about 90kmh) John on the Guzzi took a hard right turn into us, pushing us into the Norton & making the handlebars turn left, which nearly put us upside down.
As we were squeezed out the back, i saw the Guzzi & Norton hit together & dissapear around turn one.
As you can imagine, it was a lot of fun, & i guess thats the main thing.

You changed your undies yet bob??? :crazy::wacko::whistle:

[sidecar bob]

You changed your undies yet bob??? :crazy::wacko::whistle:

But i never packed them, it was all kinda slow mo & not very scary from my seat.
The sidecar looks like its been in a demo derby after 3 days of that carry on tho.

[scrivy]

But i never packed them, it was all kinda slow mo & not very scary from my seat.
The sidecar looks like its been in a demo derby after 3 days of that carry on tho.

So what you're saying is that we need to ensure we have crash bars all round?!!
The old BMW went very well considering we had 2 different heads on with different valves and springs etc..
Having the engine opened up put some peoples minds to rest also!!
The mighty BMW lived to fight another day!!

GO THE BM!

[sidecar bob]

So what you're saying is that we need to ensure we have crash bars all round?!!
The old BMW went very well considering we had 2 different heads on with different valves and springs etc..
Having the engine opened up put some peoples minds to rest also!!
The mighty BMW lived to fight another day!!

GO THE BM!
Ahh yes. we dropped a valve insert idling up pit lane after the second race.
I went into Auckland to to very kind gentleman's home (Sean Ellis) & borrowed a cylnder head, & about the only thing that was the same about it was the stud pattern, different size valves, different springs, different compression ratio, & one less spark plug. However, it kept the fire inside the engine for the day & powered us to a championship victory!!

[Shaun]

Ahh yes. we dropped a valve insert idling up pit lane after the second race.
I went into Auckland to to very kind gentleman's home (Sean Ellis) & borrowed a cylnder head, & about the only thing that was the same about it was the stud pattern, different size valves, different springs, different compression ratio, & one less spark plug. However, it kept the fire inside the engine for the day & powered us to a championship victory!!



Championship Victory? What championship mate

[sidecar bob]

Championship Victory? What championship mate

Classic series championship.
Kinda like the nationals except for classics.
I have a trophy!! want me to post pics of it?

[Kickaha]

Kinda like the nationals except for classics.

And there's sidecars at it:whistle:

[nodrog]

Classic series championship.
Kinda like the nationals except for classics.
I have a trophy!! want me to post pics of it?

goodshit bro! ill have to come around and rub it for you sir!

[Pussy]

goodshit bro! ill have to come around and rub it for you sir!

bob will probably let you rub the trophy too, Gordie! :)

[nodrog]

bob will probably let you rub the trophy too, Gordie! :)

what trophy?

[Pussy]

what trophy?

You should be getting that bbq ready so I can give you a type rating on cooking steak.
THEN you can go and have some man-love with sidecar bob...... :)

[sidecar bob]

And there's sidecars at it:whistle:

Yeah, i wouldnt expect any of you modern racing guys to understand it, but the NZCMRR actually did what they said they were going to do re number of rounds etc, so it was piss easy to play in their sandpit.
We had thirteen or fourteen machines & the racing was tight.
We finally got the opportunity to go up against the legendary Dick Leppard on similar equipment, that was the highlight of my weekend.

[ashracer]

[QUOTE=Shaun;1129640766]Doubt it bloke, some could not even get to the sth to race bah ha ha ha

We all get on really Shaun, even the guys who hate each other are civil / polite at race meetings. were not speedway people!!

[gatch]

Yeah, i wouldnt expect any of you modern racing guys to understand it, but the NZCMRR actually did what they said they were going to do re number of rounds etc, so it was piss easy to play in their sandpit.
We had thirteen or fourteen machines & the racing was tight.
We finally got the opportunity to go up against the legendary Dick Leppard on similar equipment, that was the highlight of my weekend.

And it was awesome watching you nutters battle, sideways over the hill where we were watching from was the tits.

Dick was camped right next to us, I may have been pretty boozed but he offered me a blat on his chair (practise mind you) at the next meeting we are both at. Was a good weekend yeah.

[Shaun]

[QUOTE=Shaun;1129640766]Doubt it bloke, some could not even get to the sth to race bah ha ha ha

We all get on really Shaun, even the guys who hate each other are civil / polite at race meetings. were not speedway people!!


I am sure most of you do mate, untill this bollocks thread started

I had an escuse a while ago for talking shit on here and bagging people and there commitment all the time, it was called a head Injury

[sidecar bob]

I am sure most of you do mate, untill this bollocks thread started

I had an escuse a while ago for talking shit on here and bagging people and there commitment all the time, it was called a head Injury

Whats is actually your problem with it Shaun? Theres a few truths in it, does that bother you?
Keep dropping in.

[Kickaha]

We finally got the opportunity to go up against the legendary Dick Leppard on similar equipment, that was the highlight of my weekend.

I got a photo of him here somewhere I took about 1982-83 at a Chch street race, I will dig it out

[Shaun]

Whats is actually your problem with it Shaun? Theres a few truths in it, does that bother you?
Keep dropping in.



Truth does not bother me dude, but rants like your opening post ( Which you have still not edited to the truth as to the brand of damaged Chair)

You are prepared to get on here and bag some one that is helping keep your sport alive by attending the NZ Champs, yet you guys are not prepared to make the effort and race the whole champs yourself???? Does not add up to me, to be so loud with your oppinions, but not support your sport, I know things changed, but so what, what is sitting at home going to do about correctring that

Then a war starts against SB RC30 and the money he finds to spend on his passion, it just got a little to personell really, especially from so called intelligent people like your selves

[sidecar bob]

Heres a link to some photos from the weekend. http://www.highside.co.nz/CRR2010/index.html

[sidecar bob]

You are prepared to get on here and bag some one that is helping keep your sport alive by attending the NZ Champs, yet you guys are not prepared to make the effort and race the whole champs yourself????

Helping keep the sport alive? Grid numbers this year would not support that theory.
P.S Neither LCR or Windle could run at the meeting the following day, go figure.

[Shaun]

Helping keep the sport alive? Grid numbers this year would not support that theory.
P.S Neither LCR or Windle could run at the meeting the following day, go figure.



I believe you can actually count? there were races, so the grids were full enough to make it happen! However, if more people attended the races instead of just bad mouthing the ones that did, ( ie 2 on here that have enough money to go racing) The grids could have looked better, and other interested parties in your choice of sport, might consider taking it up.

[scrivy]

Truth does not bother me dude, but rants like your opening post ( Which you have still not edited to the truth as to the brand of damaged Chair)
This thread wasn't started by Bob, but was hijacked from another.

You are prepared to get on here and bag some one that is helping keep your sport alive by attending the NZ Champs, yet you guys are not prepared to make the effort and race the whole champs yourself???? Does not add up to me, to be so loud with your oppinions, but not support your sport, I know things changed, but so what, what is sitting at home going to do about correctring that
Then a war starts against SB RC30 and the money he finds to spend on his passion, it just got a little to personell really, especially from so called intelligent people like your selves


I believe you can actually count? there were races, so the grids were full enough to make it happen!
It still goes againsts MNZ's roadrace workshops outcomes of making the Nationals bigger.
However, if more people attended the races instead of just bad mouthing the ones that did, ( ie 2 on here that have enough money to go racing) The grids could have looked better, and other interested parties in your choice of sport, might consider taking it up.

Shaun, you need to know of ALL the facts before passing your judgement.
I'll tell you a few, but not all.
The NZSRA had an AGM that was voted at by it's members to only do 2 rounds down south. A majority vote passed it. MNZ was told on 3 seperate occasions of the NZSRA's intentions for only 2 rounds - as has been the case for the last donkeys years. MNZ chose not to listen to the wishes of an affilliated club (A breach of their own constitution), but rather listen to 2 members that took it upon themselves to do what they wanted for their own agendas. This is also a breach of the NZSRA constitution.

To blame Bob, myself or anyone else on here for pointing the finger at certain individuals is simply wrong. The NZSRA executive was given a mandate by the majority of its members to explain in no uncertain terms that we are not at all happy about this years situation. Hence a formal letter from the NZSRA has been sent to MNZ highlighting some serious issues about this years championship. There are well over 16 competitors that are behind this Shaun, not just the vocal ones on here.
And yes, another 8-10 teams would have gone south for only two rounds.
Unfortunately selfishness has brought us to this conclussion.

Scrivy

[Shaun]

Scrivy, ? for you



# thread was posted on here by Bob, so can be edited by him, to not slander a great brand of Chair

# And there was only 2 rounds in the sth

# would you post a copy of the sent letter then of the Highlighted issues, so this thread is all fair and full of facts to all parties?







And yes, another 8-10 teams would have gone south for only two rounds.

# as there were 2 rounds only, why did they not then?





I believe that the 3 round idea was put forward, with the idea of being able to drop your worse round? Is this also lies by some one?

[sidecar bob]

Scrivy, ? for you



# thread was posted on here by Bob, so can be edited by him, to not slander a great brand of Chair

# And there was only 2 rounds in the sth

# would you post a copy of the sent letter then of the Highlighted issues, so this thread is all fair and full of facts to all parties?







And yes, another 8-10 teams would have gone south for only two rounds.

# as there were 2 rounds only, why did they not then?





I believe that the 3 round idea was put forward, with the idea of being able to drop your worse round? Is this also lies by some one?
Oh dear, you havent been listening regarding the two rounds, three rounds thing. Ive got girl guides now so will let Scrivy go over that one AGAIN.
Regarding the first post, it was pulled from another thread, & for reasons i cant explain i am unable to edit my first two posts on this thread, although if i could, wether i would is debatable.
Although if you read on to later posts, you will also read what i really think of them (LCR's), which is very complimentary.

[scrivy]

Scrivy, ? for you

# thread was posted on here by Bob, so can be edited by him, to not slander a great brand of Chair
Hi Shaun,
It originally started life in a different thread. Bob probably can't be arsed to edit it. Some honda riders call Suzukis gay, and Kick calls us homos - I guess each unto their own.

# And there was only 2 rounds in the sth
Like I said, not all the facts have been put on the table. A threatening letter from Tuckerman told us 3 MUST be completed for a championship. As does the rules.
Yes only 2 rounds were completed in the end - another reason why so many teams are pissed.


# would you post a copy of the sent letter then of the Highlighted issues, so this thread is all fair and full of facts to all parties?
All in due course Shaun. Its officially from the NZSRA to MNZ and co. No-one should be privy to it until there is dialogue from both parties. A reply has still not been received after 2 weeks.

And yes, another 8-10 teams would have gone south for only two rounds.
# as there were 2 rounds only, why did they not then?
Due to the fact that certain individuals knew it was only 2 rounds afterall - all the remaining teams were never told it was only 2! Still no communication from MNZ on this matter, and certainly no dispensation received by the NZSRA executive.

I believe that the 3 round idea was put forward, with the idea of being able to drop your worse round? Is this also lies by some one?
Once again, someone asked for it at our AGM on October 31st. You know full well Shaun that changes to our rules, or remits must be in to MNZ offices way prior to their AGM in May! and then it only applies to the following year. The idea is absurd, as no one would go to the furtherst (or last - or first round), and as a result the affected club would have no entries at closing date - far too close to the event to try and source another class at short notice!! Who wants a club to knowingly lose money?? They don't make money now!! Imagine if a club promoted superbikes or whatever class, and then none showed up!! Ridiculous!

Hope this answers your questions.

Scrivy

[scrivy]

Ive got girl guides now
I thought you preferred the brownies........... :pinch::crazy:

[scrivy]

Although if you read on to later posts, you will also read what i really think of them (LCR's), which is very complimentary.

They are horny, but just don't do it for me. Too sterile and temperamental. I'm too lazy to work on things at race meetings, and by the looks of it, you have to adjust stuff all day long.
I think MotoGP bikes are horn too, but I also prefer Superbikes.
Each unto their own

[Pussy]

Each unto their own

Do you prefer Guides or Brownies, scrivy?

[Shaun]

Once again, someone asked for it at our AGM on October 31st. You know full well Shaun that changes to our rules, or remits must be in to MNZ offices way prior to their AGM in May! and then it only applies to the following year. The idea is absurd, as no one would go to the furtherst (or last - or first round), and as a result the affected club would have no entries at closing date - far too close to the event to try and source another class at short notice!! Who wants a club to knowingly lose money?? They don't make money now!! Imagine if a club promoted superbikes or whatever class, and then none showed up!! Ridiculous!

Hope this answers your questions.

Scrivy



Thanks for your reply mate

[Kickaha]

MNZ chose not to listen to the wishes of an affilliated club (A breach of their own constitution),

Can you post up the section of MNZ constitution that deals with that, I'd be interested in reading it


but rather listen to 2 members that took it upon themselves to do what they wanted for their own agendas.

I've heard that said on numerous occasions but have yet to see any hard evidence to prove it


Hence a formal letter from the NZSRA has been sent to MNZ highlighting some serious issues about this years championship.

As a member of the NZSRA I'm sure you wont mind sending me a copy of that, because if it was sent by the NZSRA supposedly representing it's membership it's pretty much null and void if all the membership haven't seen and approved of it


There are well over 16 competitors that are behind this Shaun, not just the vocal ones on here.

Well all of them should be writing to MNZ and giving them a serve, 16 letters look a lot better than 1


And yes, another 8-10 teams would have gone south for only two rounds.

8-10 teams?, name them, we get told that every year and every year a lot less than what we're told turn up

Scrivy has actually been out on a LCR;)

[ashracer]

I believe that the 3 round idea was put forward, with the idea of being able to drop your worse round? Is this also lies by some one?[/QUOTE]


I believe that the 3 round idea was put forward, with the idea of being able to drop your worse round? Is this also lies by some one?[/QUOTE]

Yes it was shaun , a lot of ideas have been put forward at the sidecar agm's over the years some get voted through & some not. I think this one only got a couple of votes. This rule was never intended for people to not attend an event. You are expected to attend every round in a race series and this rule would allow you to drop a round, usually when DNF occurs. You can see this rule used in classes where reliability can be an issue, something like class 1 offshore power boats. Some people may remember Gary west & Ash Voice (Who are both friends of mine I'm not slagging them off) also putting forward this idea in the early nineties. It didnt get voted in then either.
The main point is if 90% (e.g only) of people vote against a given idea / rule at a meeting, no matter what it is you have to conceed that your idea is not popular with the majority. I along with a lot of other people have had ideas that have not been popular or voted through, thats just the way it works & it must remain a majority vote. I dont know what the for & against vote at the agm on the south island series was, (Someone must have the minutes) But the majority vote was for eveyone to enter the first two rounds and have two well supported rounds, & no one enter the third round. Sounds simple!!

I was at the TT in 2007 Shaun & saw your crash marks outside the railway hotel, so understand the head injury, how the fuck you lived
is anyones guess,

[Shaun]

Hey Ashracer

I was at the TT in 2007 Shaun & saw your crash marks outside the railway hotel, so understand the head injury, how the fuck you lived
is anyones guess,

Cause I am a pig headed fucker, who wanted to stay around and piss more people off

[scrivy]

Can you post up the section of MNZ constitution that deals with that, I'd be interested in reading it
I thought you'd be knowledgeable on the MNZ constitution Kick? Search MNZ's website.

I've heard that said on numerous occasions but have yet to see any hard evidence to prove it
It'll come out in the wash dude.

As a member of the NZSRA I'm sure you wont mind sending me a copy of that, because if it was sent by the NZSRA supposedly representing it's membership it's pretty much null and void if all the membership haven't seen and approved of it
That's rubbish Kick. You know a mandate was given to the executive by the teams that could have gone south. You were south, so were not in that group. When MNZ finally reply, all members will be sent a copy. Also, the group meeting at Paeroa will be shown the letter. It's at the executive level at the moment, you know that.

Well all of them should be writing to MNZ and giving them a serve, 16 letters look a lot better than 1
Not true. That's why we belong to an Association. The executive communicate on our behalf for all members. One voice for the entire affilliated club.

8-10 teams?, name them, we get told that every year and every year a lot less than what we're told turn up
They were documented at the AGM.

Scrivy has actually been out on a LCR;)

That I have. Found it too uncomfortable for my boney arse....... :whistle:

[Kickaha]

8-10 teams documented at the AGM, so that would have included Bron and the Pirate, which leaves 6-8 of whch 1/4 would have been a no show going by previous years, so about 4-6 teams in reality

[scrivy]

8-10 teams documented at the AGM, so that would have included Bron and the Pirate, which leaves 6-8 of whch 1/4 would have been a no show going by previous years, so about 4-6 teams in reality

Kick ,stop assuming. I said another 8-10 teams would have gone south (not including those that already put their hands up). I also said it was documented, so what is your issue??

[Kickaha]

You can document whatever you like, you know that by the time Nationals roll around and the teams front up that number would have dropped

So what's the group meeting at Paeroa?

[scrivy]

So what's the group meeting at Paeroa?

Lots of people having sex?????

[Kickaha]

Lots of people having sex?????

You still haven't given up on making home made porn yet have you?

[scrivy]

You still haven't given up on making home made porn yet have you?

Was a master of it many years ago..........

[scrivy]

So what's the group meeting at Paeroa?

Doesn't Divvo keep you in the loop????
Sex is ok, but he won't share info???

[gixerracer]

I have seen the movies youR not that good MASTER
Was a master of it many years ago..........

[scrivy]

I have seen the movies youR not that good MASTER

Your barking up the wrong tree dude.....
I filmed, not starred!!!!

[Shaun]

Your barking up the wrong tree dude.....
I filmed, not starred!!!!


Prooves you are a sick pervert then

[scrivy]

Prooves you are a sick pervert then

You got it

[sidecar bob]

Prooves you are a sick pervert then

Thats kinda like proclaming that you have found proof that the
pope is a Catholic.

[Shaun]

Thats kinda like proclaming that you have found proof that the
pope is a Catholic.


He is, the MAFIA said so

[scrivy]

Thats kinda like proclaming that you have found proof that the
pope is a Catholic.

Who's the pope???

[Kickaha]

Was a master of it many years ago..........

Masterbaiter most likely


Your barking up the wrong tree dude.....
I filmed, not starred!!!!

I've been told different from someone who's seen one of your "home" movies

[Kickaha]

So Scrivy, you read that NZSRA email yet, looks like some of us have been "told of":whistle:

So what was in that letter you sent to get such a response Scurvy? none of mine had that effect :lol:

[cowpoos]

I can't believe I just read all that...I thought this was going to be a thread about Pies,beer's and lawnmower powered tricycles.

[Kickaha]

I can't believe I just read all that...I thought this was going to be a thread about Pies,beer's and lawnmower powered tricycles.

Fuck off you fat cunt, we already know you ate all the pies

[fossil]

Shaun, you need to know of ALL the facts before passing your judgement.
I'll tell you a few, but not all.
The NZSRA had an AGM that was voted at by it's members to only do 2 rounds down south. A majority vote passed it. MNZ was told on 3 seperate occasions of the NZSRA's intentions for only 2 rounds - as has been the case for the last donkeys years. MNZ chose not to listen to the wishes of an affilliated club (A breach of their own constitution), but rather listen to 2 members that took it upon themselves to do what they wanted for their own agendas. This is also a breach of the NZSRA constitution.

To blame Bob, myself or anyone else on here for pointing the finger at certain individuals is simply wrong. The NZSRA executive was given a mandate by the majority of its members to explain in no uncertain terms that we are not at all happy about this years situation. Hence a formal letter from the NZSRA has been sent to MNZ highlighting some serious issues about this years championship. There are well over 16 competitors that are behind this Shaun, not just the vocal ones on here.
And yes, another 8-10 teams would have gone south for only two rounds.
Unfortunately selfishness has brought us to this conclussion.

Scrivy


I attended the MNZ AGM.Right at the beginning it was stated that nothing at or from that meeting would be in effect for this season. I am a member of a couple of clubs. I think i'll suggest to one of these that as a club boycott next years champs unless MNZ changes the rules and how the champs are run to suit us(outside of normal process) No racing on sundays because it interfers with my hangover!

[Billy]

I attended the MNZ AGM.Right at the beginning it was stated that nothing at or from that meeting would be in effect for this season. I am a member of a couple of clubs. I think i'll suggest to one of these that as a club boycott next years champs unless MNZ changes the rules and how the champs are run to suit us(outside of normal process) No racing on sundays because it interfers with my hangover!

Is that pile of dribble supposed to have some parity with scrivys statement???

The sidecar guys have made the effort to form an organisation to help move the sport forward,As an outsider looking in,It seems too me MNZ made a mistake by going against the associations wishes for a continuation of what appears too be the norm for a number of years,

Or is this a new mandate brought in by the new president and board so we dont continue to do the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result ?

[Kickaha]

Is that pile of dribble supposed to have some parity with scrivys statement???

Scrivy dribbles a lot to so parity would have been achieved


The sidecar guys have made the effort to form an organisation to help move the sport forward,As an outsider looking in,It seems too me MNZ made a mistake by going against the associations wishes for a continuation of what appears too be the norm for a number of years,


Pretty much exactly what they did, using a meeting the sidecars attended after the Nationals as a means to try and justify the change

[Billy]

Scrivy dribbles a lot to so parity would have been achieved



Yeah,I thought the minute I posted it that the thread is entitled"Sidecar Shit Talk Thread"

WTF was I thinking LOL

[scrivy]

Yeah,I thought the minute I posted it that the thread is entitled"Sidecar Shit Talk Thread"

WTF was I thinking LOL

Geez, fuck just 1 goat..........

It isn't even my thread........................

Oh well, I get blamed for most things......

[scrivy]

So what was in that letter you sent to get such a response Scurvy? none of mine had that effect :lol:
Always said you're just a schoolboy!!!! :bleh:

[JayRacer37]

Ahh yes. we dropped a valve insert idling up pit lane after the second race.
I went into Auckland to to very kind gentleman's home (Sean Ellis) & borrowed a cylnder head, & about the only thing that was the same about it was the stud pattern, different size valves, different springs, different compression ratio, & one less spark plug. However, it kept the fire inside the engine for the day & powered us to a championship victory!!

Them are nice quick bits...

[sidecar bob]

Them are nice quick bits...

They wer'nt off your bike mate, just some old bits in a box.
Im organising to give the bike you ride a serious birthday after Paeroa to sharpen it up.
Might even do something to the forks so you can get rid of the dog leash topping out spring.
Of course i will consult with you as the time comes.

[JayRacer37]

They wer'nt off your bike mate, just some old bits in a box.
Im organising to give the bike you ride a serious birthday after Paeroa to sharpen it up.
Might even do something to the forks so you can get rid of the dog leash topping out spring.
Of course i will consult with you as the time comes.

But but but...the leash is SO functional!

[Pussy]

But but but...the leash is SO functional!

Molly wants it back!.......

[JayRacer37]

Molly wants it back!.......

Shan't! It's 'tying' my 'dog' up ;)

[Pussy]

Shan't! It's 'tying' my 'dog' up ;)
If you're not careful, Molly might severely lacerate your little toe.....

[Kickaha]

But but but...the leash is SO functional!


Molly wants it back!.......

Piss off to your own thread you solo riding pooftas, this one's for the real men of racing (and Scrivy)

[Kickaha]

But but but...the leash is SO functional!


Molly wants it back!.......

Piss off to your own thread you solo riding pooftas, this one's for the real men of racing (and Scrivy)

[Pussy]

Piss off to your own thread you solo riding pooftas, this one's for the real men of racing (and Scrivy)

Pffft!
That's rich coming from a bloke who crawls all over another blokes bum... in public as well!

[JayRacer37]

Piss off to your own thread you solo riding pooftas, this one's for the real men of racing (and Scrivy)

Well you lot have stopped using it, where has the entertainment gone!? :jerry:

[scrivy]

Piss off to your own thread you solo riding pooftas, this one's for the real men of racing (and Scrivy)

Ya muppet. We heard you the first time....................

[Pussy]

Ya muppet. We heard you the first time....................

Yeah, Kick.... stop repeating yourself repeating yourself.....

[jellywrestler]

Ya muppet. We heard you the first time....................
Speaking of muppets, I reckon Scrivy and Sidecar bob are like the two old guys in the balcony on the muppets. Question is which one is Waldorf and which one is Statler????

[Kickaha]

Ya muppet. We heard you the first time....................

Well normally you're such I deaf cunt I thought I'd repeat myself in case you didn't get it first time round

[scrivy]

Speaking of muppets, I reckon Scrivy and Sidecar bob are like the two old guys in the balcony on the muppets. Question is which one is Waldorf and which one is Statler????

LMFAO!!!! So in your reckoning, you must be Fozzy Bear, Chris Lawrance is Kermit, Bert is Animal and Steve Bron is Beaker??

[imdying]

What an aptly named thread... I saw the sidecars for the first time at Timaru... they were 'the shit', loved every minute of it. Go the crazy bastards of the world!

[scrivy]

Well normally you're such I deaf cunt I thought I'd repeat myself in case you didn't get it first time round

:killingme Kick, you think people are deaf, when in reality, they just don't want to listen to you..... :slap::rofl:

[jellywrestler]

LMFAO!!!! So in your reckoning, you must be Fozzy Bear, Chris Lawrance is Kermit, Bert is Animal and Steve Bum is Beaker??
Dave annan would have to be the eagle, or at least has his eyebrows...

[Kickaha]

What an aptly named thread... I saw the sidecars for the first time at Timaru... they were 'the shit', loved every minute of it. Go the crazy bastards of the world!

I'm sure we could hook you up a ride unless you're to much of a pink frilly girls blouse

[Pussy]

I'm sure we could hook you up a ride unless you're to much of a pink frilly girls blouse

You been missing out on kisses from sidecar bob or something??

About time I had a yarn with my mate Kelly, so I can dig up some dirt on you! :bleh:

[scrivy]

I'm sure we could hook you up a ride unless you're to much of a pink frilly girls blouse

Talking about blouse's - check out the photo of Sidecar Bob. He's wearing a girls blouse under his leathers - go on, scroll in further for a look!!

[Fast Eddie]

I've just read this whole thread....bit sad really. I'm just a lowly flaggy, but I love watching those sidecars out there...best part of the racing from a spectators point of view.
I really hope that you guys can sort your shit out.
The alternative is a pretty sad outcome.
yea just read it for the first time.. bit of a thread dredge but hopefully that was the low point and its heading back up now!



The South still has a reasonably active club scene with anything up to 7-9 meetings available for us.... all going well that will change this year as there seems to be renewed interest down here



hahaha.. couple years later.. meh. struggling for more than 3.

what is it with people.. grab ya bike.. go to the track.. play. so easy.

[sidecar bob]

This thread can die. It was a bad time for racing & the other thread is more funerer than this one.