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slowpoke
20th January 2010, 10:08
CLUNK! And along with the forks, the penny drops…….

I’m at the entry to turn 1 at Ruapuna, Friday unofficial practice, first session, start of lap 2……and the forks have just slammed to the bottom of their travel. I’ve just toured through the first lap, re-acquainting myself with the circuit after the prior weekend’s Lady Wigram event. I’ve only just started to wick it up a lil’ bit but am nowhere near even my race pace. Just as I’m telling myself to let go of the front brake the front tyre as chirped across a coupla bumps and I’m down.

The weekend before I had some real problems with the bike seeming to suffer major changes in front suspension action in the course of just a couple of races. From having 25mm of front static sag prior to leaving home it had blown out to 35mm after race 2, with my fork travel indicator going from 20mm spare travel to absolutely nothing. I wound on all the pre-load I had left (3 turns) and added 3 more clicks of compression damping for race 3 and it felt much better and at least stayed consistent.

I arranged with Ray Clee to bring some heavier WP springs for the following weekend. I was just going to do one session before changing them to give me something to compare the change to. I’d also decided the bike was too low, feeling cumbersome and slow to turn so went to raise it up a tad, no problem at the rear but the triple clamp pinch bolts were extremely tight, and I struggled to get leverage on ‘em with the fairings etc in place. I finally managed to loosen ‘em off, but the clip-on pinch bolts are a lil’ awkward as well so I just nipped everything back up, afraid I’d run out of time and miss the session.

Soon enough I’m hearing the dreaded “CLUNK!” as the forks bottom out and I’m executing a tumbling routine worthy of the Olympics…….along with the bike which slides, catches the edge of the grass, flips, and slams into the deck upside down. The entry to Turn 1 isn’t a slow place to crash.

So almost before I’ve come to a halt I’ve realized the only change I made was to loosen off the pinch bolts, and I recalled being at an Ohlins /Peter Goddard seminar where Robert Taylor and Peter Goddard mentioned how critical it was not to over tighten the pinch bolts as it could bind up the piston/bush. I hadn’t touched that area of the bike since I picked it up late last year, but that’s neither here nor there, ultimately the responsibility for bike prep lies with me.

So, the bike is pretty much trashed, with both front and rear subframes smashed, tank munted, most of fairings obliterated, damaged frame, along with sundry smaller bits and bobs. Which pretty much brings my NZSBK campaign to a grinding halt before it’s even started. I’ve already got a lead on a fair amount of those parts but getting them here from the State’s is the tricky part, with such large boxes……..just waiting on a call back regards shipping.

So while I’m full of “if’s, but’s and maybe’s” over the whole abortion I’m also well aware I could have been the shattered wreck and the bike could have got off with just a few bumps and bruises. The only thing that really grinds my gears is I’ve been riding so conservatively at the trackdays and Lady Wigram event leading up to this, not wanting to jeopardise this series, and I still haven’t hit the “GO!” button on the (not so) new bike, which I was so looking forward to.

But such is life. A dear old friend who was basically our surrogate Mum while we were in Oz for many years, passed away last week. At 73 Sylvia nursed an angry/frustrated husband through a series of strokes, then battled cancer on her own, enduring injections into her bloody eye, chemo etc etc. Compared to what she went through this is small beans.

If things fall into place then I might enter the Superbike class at Manfeild, failing that be prepared to see an extremely ugly GSXR "Superlight" streetfighter in Clubman’s.

White trash
20th January 2010, 10:36
Hang on, so the top caps came undone or the whole forks slid up through the clamps?

Either way, fucken scary experience mate, I hope you're OK.

And you're right, in the scheme of things it means shit. Still a hard pill to swallow.

roogazza
20th January 2010, 11:03
That's tough Spud, I know how keen you were to do this thing. G.

Kiwi Graham
20th January 2010, 11:12
Bugger bad news SP, Try contacting Kiwi Shipping They can ship kit here bloody cheap, ya just have to get it to them. They ship into Auckland and Tauranga.
Ive been/going through the whole locating parts from around the world thing for the R1, a very time consuming and costly excersise!
Anyway better the bike gets trashed than you do mate

slowpoke
20th January 2010, 11:18
Hang on, so the top caps came undone or the whole forks slid up through the clamps?

Either way, fucken scary experience mate, I hope you're OK.

And you're right, in the scheme of things it means shit. Still a hard pill to swallow.

No, I reckon the bottom triple clamp was done up too tight and binding up the fork internals, adding a shitload of damping. By loosening off the pinch bolts I've removed that damping. The first semi-serious brake application and the forks have bottomed out big time. Pulling the forks apart afterwards found it only had 9.0N springs fitted, stock are 9.7N so it's just a bad situation allround. I just didn't get/make enough time on the bike to highlight the problem earlier.

I'll be sending the forks up to Ray to give 'em a once over just to confirm they're ok, but he's already changed the springs and had a "calibrated" feel of them. They feel ok, just very very soft, which wasn't how they previously felt when fitted to the bike.

I got off pretty lightly, a bit banged up and a wrenched hip joint, but coulda been a lot worse.

Yup, already fired off an email to Steve Curle at Kiwi Shipping, he's helped us out with a car in the past and am just waitng to hear back.

Thanks for kind wishes.

Dreama
20th January 2010, 17:26
Jeez Spud, wondered why your name was missing from the results. That really sucks.
There are plenty of us that know just how you feel bro .... all the work, late nights, money, travel, the hype, the excitment ...... all blown in a split second.
And yeah .... a fukin scary place to bin as well. Thankfully you're not banged up too bad, and at least you can get the bike fixed and sorted.

Comparing your bad luck to that of a real life tragedy does bring it into focus though .... but shit that's a depressing way to look at it.

Just get the fucker fixed and fulfill your goal of doing the Nationals.

cowpoos
20th January 2010, 19:14
prepared to see an extremely ugly GSXR .

If you do...I will make you a honorary member of Poo's Team Racing [PTR for short], for sponsorship I'll get you a Doz tui's and a kilo of steak [cheap shit]

Glad your okay Dude...and not giving up!!
Sounds like there wasn't enough rebound on your front forks and a bit lite on springs?...like they were pumping down??

SWERVE
20th January 2010, 20:46
"BUGGAR" Saw your bike on coming back into the pits.....not pretty.
Didnt even get a chance to come and say hi.
Turn 1 is a very un-forgiving corner...........nealy totalled the 675 there early last year.
Hope you manage to fix it up bud.

FROSTY
20th January 2010, 21:09
sorry slowpoke Im not up to speed on your bike --are you on a 600 or a thou? are the parts you need interchangeable??
Call me on 0120354615.

puddytat
20th January 2010, 21:11
Feel for you man,would've blinged you but I gotta 'spread it around more"....

slowpoke
21st January 2010, 08:42
Thanks peoples! Had some amazing offers of help over the last few days, it's blown me away. For all it's faults KB is an amazing community.

manxkiwi
21st January 2010, 09:42
Sorry to hear about your troubles, glad you're ok though. Not wanting to close the gate after the horse has bolted, but 200/300 bucks will get you a torque wrench. I'm presuming you don't have access to one, excuse me if I'm out of line. You'll have it for the rest of your life and there'll never be any questoin about tightening anything on any bike. In my experience as an engineer, so many people (trades also) over thighten the hell out things. Which ultimately puts fastners beyond their 'yeild' points, and consequently give less clamping power. Or something else bad, as in your case.

The only other people I know personally with a torque wrench are a couple of mates (also engineers). I think some shops have them but (sometimes) don't use them, as I found out when I broke a socket trying to remove the sump plug from the Trumpy! After it's first service. 25Nm the book says. I reckon they had a spotty kid on a 6 foot bar tightening that f*cker!!

Anyway I'm sure you know of them. Just saying that after ten or so years of use, $300 won't look like very much.

Best of luck to ya anyway, MK

Pussy
21st January 2010, 18:59
Sorry to hear about your troubles, glad you're ok though. Not wanting to close the gate after the horse has bolted, but 200/300 bucks will get you a torque wrench. I'm presuming you don't have access to one, excuse me if I'm out of line. You'll have it for the rest of your life and there'll never be any questoin about tightening anything on any bike. In my experience as an engineer, so many people (trades also) over thighten the hell out things. Which ultimately puts fastners beyond their 'yeild' points, and consequently give less clamping power. Or something else bad, as in your case.

The only other people I know personally with a torque wrench are a couple of mates (also engineers). I think some shops have them but (sometimes) don't use them, as I found out when I broke a socket trying to remove the sump plug from the Trumpy! After it's first service. 25Nm the book says. I reckon they had a spotty kid on a 6 foot bar tightening that f*cker!!

Anyway I'm sure you know of them. Just saying that after ten or so years of use, $300 won't look like very much.

Best of luck to ya anyway, MK
Top advice!
I have three torque wrenches in my shed (1/2",3/8" and 1/4")
Every fastener gets tightened to the book figure

sinfull
21st January 2010, 20:09
Top advice!
I have three torque wrenches in my shed (1/2",3/8" and 1/4")
Every fastener gets tightened to the book figure
I count as i tighten 30 , 60 , 90 ! Yep that axle nut wont come undone !
The rest i think alloy, alloy, alloy and locktight it just in case !

Was bummed to hear what happened Spud, i hope the hangover next day was worthy !

Pussy
21st January 2010, 20:28
I count as i tighten 30 , 60 , 90 ! Yep that axle nut wont come undone !
The rest i think alloy, alloy, alloy and locktight it just in case !



What tribe are you from?? :)

sinfull
21st January 2010, 20:45
What tribe are you from?? :)
Natiwhatbookbro !

Pussy
21st January 2010, 21:10
Natiwhatbookbro !

Chur! Just thought I'd arx.....

slowpoke
21st January 2010, 22:03
Sorry to hear about your troubles, glad you're ok though. Not wanting to close the gate after the horse has bolted, but 200/300 bucks will get you a torque wrench. I'm presuming you don't have access to one, excuse me if I'm out of line. You'll have it for the rest of your life and there'll never be any questoin about tightening anything on any bike. In my experience as an engineer, so many people (trades also) over thighten the hell out things. Which ultimately puts fastners beyond their 'yeild' points, and consequently give less clamping power. Or something else bad, as in your case.

The only other people I know personally with a torque wrench are a couple of mates (also engineers). I think some shops have them but (sometimes) don't use them, as I found out when I broke a socket trying to remove the sump plug from the Trumpy! After it's first service. 25Nm the book says. I reckon they had a spotty kid on a 6 foot bar tightening that f*cker!!

Anyway I'm sure you know of them. Just saying that after ten or so years of use, $300 won't look like very much.

Best of luck to ya anyway, MK

No prob's mate. Yep, am familiar with said instrument, even have one in the shed. As I mentioned in the original post I know the tightening torque is critical, (12-16Nm depending who you talk to: Mr Ohlins or Mr WP) but in trying to balance shed time and family time (I would have only seen my partner for 7 days in 9 weeks if things had gone to plan) I simply haven't gone over bike as comprehensively as I should since recently picking it up. As I said there are lotsa coulda/shoulda/woulda thoughts rollin' round in my head. I can only use the experience and hopefully recognise the symptoms down the track.

Butch
22nd January 2010, 00:42
Hey mate, you didnt miss much aye, the track was shitarse, slipery and wet. Even I was just keeping it an cruise abit as I didnt want to come to the same greif... Although you coulda used mine for a play in clubmans aye :)

Foxzee
22nd January 2010, 17:57
Damn Spud not good to hear at all :shit:.....glad you are ok!

I'll save ya a spot on the grid at Manfield...we simply can't have a VMCC hosted event without you!

Hoping that it all comes together for ya:yes:

KS34
22nd January 2010, 19:33
Really feel for ya Spud, but as you have mentioned there is a lifetimes experiences, lessons and information that you have now. love your attitude and best of luck would be great to race with you at Manfield.

slowpoke
23rd January 2010, 09:39
I'll be at Manfeild alright, even if it's in Clubman's on a streetfightered GSXR. Most parts are on their way, so it's just fingers crossed. Hopefully everything will arrive in time and if someone kindly throws in a bigger set of cojones to replace my now shrunken plums I'll enter Superbikes.

Deano
24th January 2010, 07:16
Aww shit mate. That sux big time. Glad you're ok though. T1 is what.....240+kph ?

FROSTY
24th January 2010, 11:53
Mate if it makes you feel better (hope it does) i did the entire 07 mationals with a front end in my bike set up for a busa and a 150kg rider. When It was taken to bits the guy that did it found nothing mechanically wrong Just unbelievably totally wrong setup for a lil bloke on a SV650. Shaun waited 3 rounds for me to actually ask for help -meanwhile I was busy blaming my shittyu attitude for the bad results.

Butch
24th January 2010, 12:16
Im in the same ball game there Frosty, I had my front end set up by someone else and its shit aye, pushes the front wide in corners and when I did soften it up to manage corners nicely it bottoms out under brakes... And ive got the Ohlins cartridge kit up front, which is getn taken out as the standard front end on the R1 was sweet as for all round use...
Ohlins Cartridge kit for sale for an 04-06 R1 if anyone interested... one careful owner :)

slowpoke
24th January 2010, 12:57
Yep, ya live and learn.....but I'm startin' to think learnin' is waaaaaaay overrated!

FROSTY
25th January 2010, 10:36
Before ya do that dude get someone that actually KNOWS what they are doing sort it out for you.
3 guys i trust IMPLICITLY would be Shaul Harris. (shaun) Chris Osbourne (ozzie) and Robert Taylor